Author Claims Assassin's Creed Set-Up Was His Idea

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TrilbyWill:

Kinguendo:

gigastar:
Okay...

Why did he not sue over this 4 Assasins Creed installments ago?

... Might not be a gamer?

So he never heard of the series until AC3?
I find that incredibly hard to believe.

You'd be surprised what people outside of certain communities are ignorant (Read: Doesn't know, not stupid) of. Lot of things I don't about that some people were like "WHAT. HOW."
Example? I didn't know about Doctor Who until like, a year ago. Or so.

idarkphoenixi:
The "story" of Assassins creed really isn't anything to brag about...The whole thing is just one giant mess really. I dare anyone to explain it to me and still sound coherrent

Desmond Miles is a young bartender living in New York. He is suddenly kidnapped by a large pharmaceutical company, Abstergo Industries and forced to undergo experimental tests. These tests involve Desmond to sit in a machine called the Animus to relive his ancestor's memories. It is in these memories that Abstergo wishes to find the source of ultimate power for it is revealed that Desmond is part of this underground community known as the Assassin Brotherhood and Abstergo is a branch of the Knights Templar and Desmond is the descendant of the Assassin who held the source of ultimate power, the Apple(s) of Eden. As it turns out, the main assistant at Abstergo is actually an Assassin who helps Desmond escape and from here it is a race against time as Abstergo and Desmond with a small group of Assassin's both try to reach the Apple.

Ummm... yeah, turns out the stuff with Altair and Ezio is backstory and filler...

Why would he call dibs on the dumbest part of that series? I like assassin's creed but I hate the set up. I'd be much happier without the futuristic set up.

6SteW6:
It's amazing how, on his Amazon page, all these people decided to write a review on the same day (April 18, 2012) about the lack of talent the author posseses and mediocrity of this book. It's also amazing how it seems to coincide with the release of this article online.

So glad to see factual, non biased reviews on amazon from people who have clearly read the material and are totally not fanboys at all. Morons.

I agree. That's the kind of reaction that's setting us back as a community, or that's at the very least painting a negative portrait of the gamer culture.

Like we're all rabid little shits who will gleefully pounce on anything that even remotely threatens our electronic babies - including elements that pose no threat at all.

All those people complaining about 4 games later: Do you realize he might not be a gamer, right?

Its not like media advertisement is common knowledge. The focus of the Assassins Creed marketing campaign was never into "the matrix-like story about conspiracies and relieving the memories of past descendants", and more into "play as a guy that lives in [insert historical setting], and kills [insert historical figure]". Even among gamers, you could find people that didn't know Assassins Creed had some virtual reality implications.

Not that he has grounds to suing (the concept is hardly new), but videogames story is hardly popular culture.

ReservoirAngel:

leahzero:
Did you guys see the tagline on his novel?

John Beiswenger:
What better place to look beyond than through the mind of one who saw to that point but no further?

...

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I'm not sure what's weirder. This guy suing now after 4 games, or the fact that I could actually understand that tagline. Don't ask me to put it into simpler terms though, I'm not that skilled with the English language.

What better way to look past yourself then by experiencing it through someone that was there. But, never experienced anything past what you want to see.

I.E if you wanted to see the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, what better way then to see it through the eyes of the killer. However, if you see it through his eyes you wont know what Abe was thinking/doing before the murder. You'll only see what the killer saw.

This in it's self should disprove the Assassins Creed connection because it's open world. You control the assassin, you aren't along for the ride. You are the ride.

Kinguendo:

gigastar:
Okay...

Why did he not sue over this 4 Assasins Creed installments ago?

... Might not be a gamer?

That was my reaction.

And while its not quite the same, shouldn't Total Recall writers sue him for having a machine where he can be in a virtual environment or maybe the Matrix for that matter.

Or about reliving past lives... how about Quantum Leap?

Everyone borrows ideas from left right and centre. Should Call of Duty sue Medal of Honor for copying their idea to move from WWII to modern times?

Just out of interest, why is he only bringing this up now? Assassin's Creed has been out for a while and the Animus is fairly central to the plot, so he'd just have had to hear a small amount about the game to figure it out. Even if he never played the game, surely someone he knows would have and could have pointed out the similarity? It just seems very unlikely that he's only just stumbled onto the fact that Assassin's Creed has some similarities to Link, although that might just be my bias to knowing a fair amount about the game.

"And John Beiswenger did whine and claim Assassins creed as his own, And Lo, Not a single Fuck was given."

Spartan1362:
I always thought that Oblivion borrowed heavily from Raymond E. Feists 'Magician'.
But that doesn't mean it does.
Authors are condemned to repeat the same ideas as their predessesors.

Skyrim uses a lot of names from The inheritance cycle and LOTR...
Not really plaugeurism though.

To think, this could have all been avoided if Ubisoft simply ASKED the guy for permission to use the idea.

Aren't both ideas at there core just forms of the collective unconscious that's existed well before either.

Dynamo9876:
To think, this could have all been avoided if Ubisoft simply ASKED the guy for permission to use the idea.

You're assuming Ubi (or anyone else, for that matter) had ever read or heard of his book. The novel in question is only distributed online and had 1 amazon review for all its years of publication, at least prior to the moron brigade trying to blast the book and author because he's suing Ubisoft. This is not an issue of "Ubisoft clearly read and made direct reference to my work without compensating me" but is rather "Here are a few coincidental common elements in our works, mine came first so GIMME MONEY!"

DVS BSTrD:
I trust this frivolous little obstacle to my tomahawking redcoats in the face will only be Templarary.

Please, take all of my internets...

Also, I like to read your post then click on this.

http://cow.org/csi/

Vittoria agli Assassini!

I doubt that he's doing this for any other reason than to advertize his book.

Nerexor:

Dynamo9876:
To think, this could have all been avoided if Ubisoft simply ASKED the guy for permission to use the idea.

You're assuming Ubi (or anyone else, for that matter) had ever read or heard of his book. The novel in question is only distributed online and had 1 amazon review for all its years of publication, at least prior to the moron brigade trying to blast the book and author because he's suing Ubisoft. This is not an issue of "Ubisoft clearly read and made direct reference to my work without compensating me" but is rather "Here are a few coincidental common elements in our works, mine came first so GIMME MONEY!"

True, but then you'd have to consider how much Ubisoft is willing to risk with their games. You'd think a big company like them would have the time and money to spend researching their ideas to see if anyone else is already using them to make sure they aren't crossing the line into copyright infringement. That way they wouldn't have to deal with frivolous lawsuits like this in the first place.

Dynamo9876:

Nerexor:

Dynamo9876:
To think, this could have all been avoided if Ubisoft simply ASKED the guy for permission to use the idea.

You're assuming Ubi (or anyone else, for that matter) had ever read or heard of his book. The novel in question is only distributed online and had 1 amazon review for all its years of publication, at least prior to the moron brigade trying to blast the book and author because he's suing Ubisoft. This is not an issue of "Ubisoft clearly read and made direct reference to my work without compensating me" but is rather "Here are a few coincidental common elements in our works, mine came first so GIMME MONEY!"

True, but then you'd have to consider how much Ubisoft is willing to risk with their games. You'd think a big company like them would have the time and money to spend researching their ideas to see if anyone else is already using them to make sure they aren't crossing the line into copyright infringement. That way they wouldn't have to deal with frivolous lawsuits like this in the first place.

I'm sure they spend some time on that (and I think I saw a post earlier which claimed that Ubi had gotten permission from another novelist to use some of their ideas), but consider the subject matter: Conspiracy theories, assassins, templars, and experiencing genetic memories. These are subjects that have seen a lot of use in fiction. Which is why the low distribution of this guy's book is a factor, if the book is obscure and difficult to find, then it could easily have been missed by Ubi's research. And that's only an issue assuming his claims of similarity actually hold up. Even if they do, the best he can say "Is someone at Ubi might have read my book and taken those ideas but I have no proof one way or the other."

You can't account for every book and idea that someone else might have had that's similar to a creative work that you (or your major software company, in this case) is making. You just hope they have the good grace to be an adult about it instead of a lawsuit happy twit.

Nerexor:

Dynamo9876:

Nerexor:

You're assuming Ubi (or anyone else, for that matter) had ever read or heard of his book. The novel in question is only distributed online and had 1 amazon review for all its years of publication, at least prior to the moron brigade trying to blast the book and author because he's suing Ubisoft. This is not an issue of "Ubisoft clearly read and made direct reference to my work without compensating me" but is rather "Here are a few coincidental common elements in our works, mine came first so GIMME MONEY!"

True, but then you'd have to consider how much Ubisoft is willing to risk with their games. You'd think a big company like them would have the time and money to spend researching their ideas to see if anyone else is already using them to make sure they aren't crossing the line into copyright infringement. That way they wouldn't have to deal with frivolous lawsuits like this in the first place.

I'm sure they spend some time on that (and I think I saw a post earlier which claimed that Ubi had gotten permission from another novelist to use some of their ideas), but consider the subject matter: Conspiracy theories, assassins, templars, and experiencing genetic memories. These are subjects that have seen a lot of use in fiction. Which is why the low distribution of this guy's book is a factor, if the book is obscure and difficult to find, then it could easily have been missed by Ubi's research. And that's only an issue assuming his claims of similarity actually hold up. Even if they do, the best he can say "Is someone at Ubi might have read my book and taken those ideas but I have no proof one way or the other."

You can't account for every book and idea that someone else might have had that's similar to a creative work that you (or your major software company, in this case) is making. You just hope they have the good grace to be an adult about it instead of a lawsuit happy twit.

Good point. I guess we'll just have to see how the whole thing pans out.

Toby Kitching:
oh my god, the first page in the preview...

...but even this caused him to double his grip on the paddle, since the movement of her voice was clearly accelerating away from him to his back as his boat moved faster towards the experience

I've read that sentence 5 times and I still don't understand what he's on about.

Whaaaa? I can see why he's self published.

Jamous:
Just out of interest, why is he only bringing this up now?

Dammit guy, read the rest of the thread.

This entire thread is littered with people having the same 'revelation' as you. Maybe you should sue them for having the same idea as you.

It's not a very creative idea, dude.

Granted, I never read the book, but the guy sounds kind of full of himself.

I can see how the ideas are similar but they are implemented in very different ways. In the book the plot seems to focus on the machine where as the Animus is more just there so that the story can be told (yes it becomes more relevant later but still). Besides, you trip over religious themes everywhere in modern story telling. I don't see how he has a case.

Playing devil's advocate here, but what if the author never plays video games so doesn't take notice on releases for video games? What if he has only recently became aware of the similarity.

I have only played Ass Creed 1, and never read the guy's book so I won't put any judgement.

Boba Frag:

DVS BSTrD:
I trust this frivolous little obstacle to my tomahawking redcoats in the face will only be Templarary.

Please, take all of my internets...

Also, I like to read your post then click on this.

http://cow.org/csi/

Vittoria agli Assassini!

*throws Boba Frag's internets onto the pile*
I get the distinct impression that this website had been going through a particularly severe wordplay dry spell prior to my arrival?

gigastar:

BehattedWanderer:
Not a Link fan, nor even heard of it, but that's not that hard to fathom. My question is ninja'd seen here:

gigastar:
Okay...

Why did he not sue over this 4 Assasins Creed installments ago?

If not more, even. There were what, two spin off games? A spin off comic? At least two books? There's been plenty of time to pipe up about this, so other than just getting his name out there by causing hubbub, I see no point to this.

Well... when i wrote that i was referring to 2, Bloodlines, Brotherhood and Revelations.

However a quick factfinding quest to Tvtropes reveals there are 4 released spinoff games, a comic, 4 novels and 3 short films.

The brand had permeated many mediums. Even if its not that great outside of the gaming world, i would find it quite difficult to miss for this long.

Right, because when something is well known, you must know about it. Ask people in this thread how many know King Lear by Shakespeare, or The Count of Monte Cristo by Dumas. These are well read popular books. That he's late come to this doesn't prove anything.

DVS BSTrD:

Boba Frag:

DVS BSTrD:
I trust this frivolous little obstacle to my tomahawking redcoats in the face will only be Templarary.

Please, take all of my internets...

Also, I like to read your post then click on this.

http://cow.org/csi/

Vittoria agli Assassini!

*throws Boba Frag's internets onto the pile*
I get the distinct impression that this website had been going through a particularly severe wordplay dry spell prior to my arrival?

Couldn't tell you, I was on a sabbatical from the forums for quite some time.
Enjoy those Internets and savour them!

thiosk:
i totally came up with an idea for a teenage wizard in a british school in like 1987. with like gay magic and wands or something. potter owes me billions.

There's a difference between having an "idea" and having already written the story. An idea has no copyright protection (for obvious reasons), but a piece of work does. And bearing in mind that this was written before Assassin's Creed, I guess it's possible that they "borrowed" from his work.
Speaking as a person who has never played Assassin's Creed or read Link, I have to say that there are some similarities between the concepts. I guess what matters now is whether the courts deem the idea specific enough for it to be attributed to one copyright.

Hmmm, well I have mixed opinions on this.

On the surface this is a legitimate complaint, the basic concept of his novel is very similar to what "Assasin's Creed" is doing, even if the use the concept/technology is being put towards is differant. The idea of the way the philsophies run and the exact "mesaage" or meaning behind some of the actions and conflicts also sounds very similar.

What's more, creators have been known to steal from each other regularly, and the "little guy" with one book to his credit and little in the way of financial resources is a frequent victim. After all a big company generally doesn't want to give a "one hit wonder" millions of dollars to use something they thought of first. This has gone back and forth for a VERY long time accross tons of media platforms, with mixed results.

Looking at it differantly though, the idea of "genetic memory" is an old one, being inherant to certain well known concepts like memes, and how say people from one part of the world without any real guidance will tend to gravitate towards doing things in the style of their forefathers.

The subject is touchy because for everything that can be said to support it, it basically amounts to racism because the basic idea is that someone with say the "genetic memory" of a people that never went anywhere or remained primitive for a long time, is inferior in terms of instincts and creativity to someone from a people that progressed more. Even if there are no real differances in overal capabilities, that genetic memory does make a differance. Basically one guy having to work against the genetic memories of his ancestors, while another person can work with them. Or so many of the arguements go, and as a result it remains as a "fringe science". It's one of those things that if ever proven to the point of being accepted in the mainstream could have a LOT of ramifications, so a lot of people don't want the answers. A good example of this would be "Avatar" where they talk about kicking the Na'Vi's arses so hard it will be burned into their genetic memory, which is possible under this theory (it not just coming from positive developments and achievements), the ramifications of being able to literally do something like that are obvious, and the contreversy when it comes to later development pretty much writes itself.

That said the idea of using machines to read genetic memories is an old one, involving such wierd science fiction concepts as someone say abducting a guy to find out where his ancestors hid a treasure, or using a machine to use the "memories" of an ancestor who was a famous writer to produce best selling novels, or whatever else. A "memory machine" of this sort showed up in the old "Warehouse 23" supplement for Steve Jackson's "GURPS" game (to which I am surprised the "Warehouse 13" TV series did not give a nod).

That said, I think the idea has been around long enough, and been contreversial in enough circles, where I do not think anyone can claim to really "own" it for purposes of science fiction right now. The guy writing "Link" himself was doubtlessly inspired by other sources and what is a general scientific theory.

While similar cases hold weight, I don't think his is going to, and that has nothing to do with the Assasins killing people and such, because what actually happens in the Assasin's Creed game was irrelevent to his claims, merely the basis used to frame it.

Of course even if he was right it probably wouldn't matter. I was kind of bummed out when the guys doing "Underworld" got away with it. I'm not a big fan of White Wolf (kind of an understatement) but they WERE 100% correct in that movie ripping off a paticular story called "For Love Of Monsters"... a point a lot of people seem to miss, in thinking it was all about "modern vampires" or other things. I read a lot about it at the time, and as much as I liked the first "Underworld" movie, I had to admit that White Wolf WAS right.

FoolKiller:

Kinguendo:

gigastar:
Okay...

Why did he not sue over this 4 Assasins Creed installments ago?

... Might not be a gamer?

That was my reaction.

And while its not quite the same, shouldn't Total Recall writers sue him for having a machine where he can be in a virtual environment or maybe the Matrix for that matter.

Or about reliving past lives... how about Quantum Leap?

Everyone borrows ideas from left right and centre. Should Call of Duty sue Medal of Honor for copying their idea to move from WWII to modern times?

In the end it comes down to how similar the ideas are. So while broad ones can be copied, more specific ones belong to a single copyright. In the end it's up to the judge to decide how similar the ideas are.
And as for the "might not be a gamer" thing, I totally agree. The people of this community often forget that people outside this community hear next to nothing about what's going and what stories are being told in even AAA games. When I think of my family for example, I think only my sister would be able to say: "Yes, Assassin's Creed is a video game." And even she wouldn't be able to tell you what it's about. So with that in mind, I wouldn't say it's inconceivable that a writer hadn't heard about Assassin's Creed's plot up until now.

Absolutionis:

Jamous:
Just out of interest, why is he only bringing this up now?

Dammit guy, read the rest of the thread.

This entire thread is littered with people having the same 'revelation' as you. Maybe you should sue them for having the same idea as you.

Easy, easy. I was just commenting. I never said it was a revelation of any sorts, I was just curious. I didn't realise you had such an OBJECTION! to my comment.

wow that was a bad joke

"Looks at his sci-fi collection"

A genetic memory device hu? I think about 100 people beat you to it.

This sounds a lot like that European city named "Batman" trying to sue "The Dark Knight" producers for using the name. I mean, they only waited half a century or so since the creation of DC's Batman to make the claim, but hey, maybe they were really busy cleaning the Guano or whatever they do at that place.

Why is that these people remember their trademark might have been infringed only after the possible infringer has made tons of money? What lucky timing, huh?

FoolKiller:

Kinguendo:

gigastar:
Okay...

Why did he not sue over this 4 Assasins Creed installments ago?

... Might not be a gamer?

That was my reaction.

And while its not quite the same, shouldn't Total Recall writers sue him for having a machine where he can be in a virtual environment or maybe the Matrix for that matter.

Or about reliving past lives... how about Quantum Leap?

Everyone borrows ideas from left right and centre. Should Call of Duty sue Medal of Honor for copying their idea to move from WWII to modern times?

Dude, you are the first person to agree with me... everyone else apparently cannot understand how he has not heard of this one gaming franchise before.

I have played games for 15 years now, a lot of that time my mother has seen the games I play... she couldnt tell you the names of any of them let alone the premise, I dont see how that is difficult to grasp.

Can you really have IP rights to an abstract idea that doesn't exist in any real way? He's basically claiming because he did it first (and I bet he didn't) no one can use a machine like what he wrote in any story from now on in all of history without paying him money.

Like why were no fantasy authors sued by Tolkien? Why didn't Robert A. Heinlein sue anyone for stealing his "space marines"?

SkarKrow:

Toby Kitching:
oh my god, the first page in the preview...

...but even this caused him to double his grip on the paddle, since the movement of her voice was clearly accelerating away from him to his back as his boat moved faster towards the experience

I've read that sentence 5 times and I still don't understand what he's on about.

Whaaaa? I can see why he's self published.

What's wrong with self publishing? Many best selling authors self publish. There is really no reason not to self publish unless your book is awful. I personally ( I know, anecdotal evidence ftw)know a person who self published his book because they all wanted him to fill his factual story full of bullshit to appease a certain audience.

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