Norwegian Mass Murderer Defends Gaming Habits

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Eleima:
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Heating? Firearms usually have heatshields but if for some reason you're spitting so much ammo that it gets too hot to handle, gloves help a lot.

Recoil? Breivik used a Mini-14, it fires .223 Remington. It does definitely kick but it's very comfortable to shoot and doesn't usually surprise first time shooters.

Let's not forget that Norway's gun laws kinda "forced" him to train with his firearms so he wasn't exactly under-trained... He is probably shitting us but playing a game can increase the combat effectiveness of a soldier.

Nowadays soldiers have been exposed to shooters and they have a 99% chance of firing the first time they have a real human target on their sights.

redisforever:

Also, think about it, some of us may have played online with this guy...
*shudder*

I actually did know him in WoW (he played on Silvermoon under "Andersnordic"), by this I mean he was part of a few random group conversations and a few whispers here and there. Fact is though I'd have had no clue what so ever as to any of his views, he seemed just as "normal" as anyone who plays WoW. That has pretty much what most of my old guildmates have said as well, even his own guild would never have got close to guessing what he was planning all that time.

I find it odd that people are questioning his sanity though, we band around words like "crazy" and "nutjob" pretty liberally and while I don't think there is a punishment devised that could even come close to inflicting enough pain and suffering on the monster, his actions strike me as the acts of a rational mind. Sure a mind that has reached the most extreme and disgusting conclusions but a rational mind nonetheless, the amount of planning he appears to have gone to alone would surely be beyond anyone traditionally regarded as insane.

Maybe it's a issue of definitions in that respect, at what point do extreme views become grounds for insanity?

ph0b0s123:
Not quite how his gaming habits were reported below.

"The revelation came as Breivik described how he became a deadly marksman by honing his gun skills by playing the violent Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare computer game."
From: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132002/Anders-Behring-Breivik-trial-Norwegian-mass-killer-played-violent-video-game-Call-Duty-16-hours-day.html

"Norway killer sharpened aim on computer games" (AP)

http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=R6c&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&q=breivik+game&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dbj7rP54nTTRWEMoA1Rme-kfvtgyM&ei=Q2GQT6q3HOmf0QWR_sSFAg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQqgIwAA

As per usual alarmist and clueless reporting. Just so disappointed how many respected publications (i.e not the mail above) are reporting as fact that you can improve your skills with a real gun from playing COD. Rather than reporting what he said and calling him out for being an idiot as what he is a saying would not work. You don't need great aim when unfortunately your victims don't have much of a chance to escape or fire back. And when you have two hours to walk around an island picking them off. All you need as a requirement for that, is serious metal issues....

Don't forget that he was dressed as a police officer, so kids who hadn't actually seen him shooting would have run to him for help, only to see him level his weapon at them and shoot them dead. Truly a modern monster.

As someone who has shot real firearms the idea that a game like CoD will teach you anything about how to operate a gun is laughable.

Rocklobster99:

weirdguy:
Wait, his irl gun sight autotargets? That's pretty snazzy.

How do you think he racked up that killstreak?

Clever.
Now go get yourself some tact.
Jackass.

Yeah, he's awful, murder is terrible, but I just can't stop connecting him and Anders from Dragon Age 2.

Radical extremist views from an otherwise rational mind causing something catastrophically unforgivable.

HyenaThePirate:
Should... I be concerned that I'm starting to develop a begrudging respect and perhaps even a slight modicrum of admiration for this man? I mean, I've never been so convicted about anything ever in my life ever. Worse, I've never had such conviction AND the ability to apply it coolly and logically in casual conversation without resorting to troll-baiting and backhanded insults.

Why is this mass murderer starting to look like he's a superior human being to me in a number of disturbing ways?!

Yes, you definently should. beeing cold, calculating and have a die hard conviction for a set of beliefs is not something to be admired.

You should always be open to the possibility that you are completely and utterly wrong in some or all aspects. But unfortunately that is alot harder to do.

El Luck:

Saviordd1:

El Luck:
-Concentrated Ignorance-

Seriously? Remember Columbine? How many people blamed the whole damn thing on games because one of the shooters played counterstrike.

This shit always bites us in the ass, wake up.

Ok then, so what exactly will happen if video games are blamed for this by a few media groups who are just trying to drum up a sensationalist piece to sell a quick paper here and there?

Because clearly I'm too ignorant to see it.

Or maybe, just maybe I realise that gaming has been around for fucking years and yet somehow despite all the shit thrown at games like Mortal Kombat, GTA, Carmageddon, Doom, Counter Strike, Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, WoW and countless others, its still here and its gone from strength to strength.

But no, ignorance, clearly.

Public opinion lowers, always lowers, will continue to lower unless it changes.

All of those blows have set gaming back by years and months. Gaming is still always on the political chopping block because it is still seen as evil by idiots.

Look, videogames certainly do make good training tools and in that regard even cod does the job, lets just quickly run down what you can learn at a glance from even cod shal we?

- How to reload most weapons, or at least a basic understanding of it
- Bringing the weapon to your shoulder and aiming down the ironsights makes you much more accurate

There, even those two things and you have a good head start on some others, now take something more hardcore like Arma or an old rainbow six game? They'll teach you pretty much anything from safetys to fire modes just from playing, he could certainly have "Learned" some things about weapons from playing COD, even if it would be extremly innacurate information and only work when shooting unarmed civillians.

But well...

Basically, I'm pretty confident that if you give me anything from a handgun to a LAW, that I could have the weapon loaded and prepped to fire fairly quickly without even touching the thing simply from being used to the weapons from games.

At least, that's how it went the first time I fired a 9mm handgun, after the instructor went trough the safety rules I could ready the gun without any help on my first try...

So bottom line, most shooters and specially the more realistic ones are practically instruction manuals for how to handle weapons on the technical side, the practical one (recoil and such) would still need actual practice but even here you would know from games that the recoil from a 5.56 M16 and a 7.62 AK is different, even if they are both assault rifle type weapons.

That aside, guy is still a psycopath and manuals never made sane people do horrible things, well, not counting religious texts...

So WoW is a hobby, but COD and MW are training? Bwhat?

According to the actual article, while he did say that WoW didn't make him think of himself as though he were in a fantasy world, it's important to note this:

Without the "training" of the video game, he said, "I would not have been able to do this."

Something that this article doesn't mention. I don't believe that the game itself caused him to do what he did, but it is possible that playing the game at least improved his skills to a certain degree. That said, I'd think him actually going out and using the weapon more likely made it possible, since it's said he liked to hunt.

WMDogma:

On trial for killing 77 people in July of last year in one of the worst acts of mass murder ever committed,

Bitch please
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Also seems that he does not want the blame to go for gaming, which is intresting that he would even care about it.

Saviordd1:

El Luck:

Saviordd1:

Seriously? Remember Columbine? How many people blamed the whole damn thing on games because one of the shooters played counterstrike.

This shit always bites us in the ass, wake up.

Ok then, so what exactly will happen if video games are blamed for this by a few media groups who are just trying to drum up a sensationalist piece to sell a quick paper here and there?

Because clearly I'm too ignorant to see it.

Or maybe, just maybe I realise that gaming has been around for fucking years and yet somehow despite all the shit thrown at games like Mortal Kombat, GTA, Carmageddon, Doom, Counter Strike, Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, WoW and countless others, its still here and its gone from strength to strength.

But no, ignorance, clearly.

Public opinion lowers, always lowers, will continue to lower unless it changes.

All of those blows have set gaming back by years and months. Gaming is still always on the political chopping block because it is still seen as evil by idiots.

Ok, let me come at this another way, so what?

"He slipped and fell on his dagger...I mean...it was self defense! yes, he slipped and fell on his own dagger in self defense".

I wonder if he hated the idea of dwarves and elves co-existing?

Saw his video supplement of his manifesto. Points out a few truths to be honest. However I by no way condone his actions. Friendly fire anyone?

OT: Well, atleast this puts a sock in the mouth of the media douchebags crying about how gaming turns people into violent monsters. Sure extremists can use it to train or understand warfare and such but it by no means substitutes real training. If it did all gamers would be Elite-Ninja-Space-Marine-Super-Assassin-Wizard-Heavy-Weapon-Team-One-Man-Armies by now.

And there is no such thing as "Evil" people, what are you? Five years old? Every man is the hero of his own story. Nobody is decidedly evil or think of themselves as such unless they are insane and even then their "Evil" can be explained with psychological issues and problems thus they aren't evil just broken.

Heimir:
And there is no such thing as "Evil" people, what are you? Five years old? Every man is the hero of his own story. Nobody is decidedly evil or think of themselves as such unless they are insane and even then their "Evil" can be explained with psychological issues and problems thus they aren't evil just broken.

Evil could be argued to be Personality Disorder. The BTK killer along with most serial killers don't necessarily view themselves as the "hero" of their own story. Frequently they view themselves as the villain who can torment the police, and get away with it.

Making up a word to classify people under does not remove the fact they are evil, and classifying people as "broken" implies that they can be fixed. If that's what you believe how about you go live with the next "fixed" serial killer. Psychopaths cannot be fixed, and the moment you think they can be you've put them one step closer to killing again.

Anders logic is flawed, but it is flawed in the same way that Nazis logic is flawed. Sure you can blame liberals and socialists like Anders and Hitler did. You can pick the most hated groups of the moment to justify it just like they have, but in the end they are both just making a move against Democracy. This kind of logic is only implemented in instill terror into the majority so that they do nothing when the time comes to stop the madness.

This entire event has been intended to inspire the minority to take control just like the Bombing of the Reichstag helped to inspire Nazis into power. Heck even Anders Manafesto is similar to Mein Kampf.

El Luck:
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Gaming has a harder time becoming recognized as an art form.

Also government more likely to attack gaming since it would be the default boogyman for the time.

Saviordd1:

El Luck:
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Gaming has a harder time becoming recognized as an art form.

Also government more likely to attack gaming since it would be the default boogyman for the time.

Video games already have first amendment protection, they have been recognised from a legal stand point as an art form, they are safe from forcibly being changed.

From a cultural stand point, who the fuck cares if someone doesn't consider games an art form? won't affect it in anyway what so ever.

Oh and politicians will attack gaming and treat it like a boogyman? Cool. This makes it different from TV, Rock and Roll, Rap, DnD, Comic Books, Porn, Heavy Metal, Rave Music, Alcohol, Cigarettes, Homosexuals, and a slew of other things that have all been attacked, how?

By the way, the 'how' is rhetorical, I'm done with this stupid fucking conversation, this entire thing has fuck all to do with games, it was only mentioned as a formality and quite a lot of the news media are aware of it.

There have been a few places that have used sensationalist titles to rile up the knee-jerkers, and the escapist is included in that list. The title of this article is one I would have expected from something like the daily mail or fox news, but there we go.

El Luck:
-Pompous Ignorance-

Yes because the first amendment is followed strictly in our nation -.-

And they aren't different, but why should we turn a blind eye to stuff being attacked for no reason?

And maybe you should read the god damn article, or did you not do that? Because your attacking the title when the article is exactly what the title said.

Self defense against 77 people?
Well 77 people could kill me so I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm glad to see that a mass murderer is defending gaming, because if we can't even get them to stick up for us we're doomed as a culture.

This guy also wrote a book. I'm surprised that writers aren't being associated with mass murder.

Seriously Escapist, why do you run pieces that serve no purpose but to demonize gaming.
You should run more articles that demonize books and movies just to balance the score.

"Acted in self-defense"

Does not compute. WAT.

Where did you get the sources for that he "stated that he acted in "self defense"? That is 1) wrong, and 2) not in the NYT article.

Lancer873:
The news source I heard this from first said it was Modern Warfare 2, you guys sure you got this one right?

think so

electric_warrior:
I wonder if he hated the idea of dwarves and elves co-existing?

Nope, he didn't hate elves, dwarves or orcs co-existing. He just hates the idea that elves are taking over his country and changing the dwarven way of living and thinking into the supperior elven way without the dwarves even noticing.

:'D

I love how everybody is like "yeah ♥♥♥♥ fair trail. kill him.".

Makes me believe in our "civilization".

snalin:
Where did you get the sources for that he "stated that he acted in "self defense"? That is 1) wrong, and 2) not in the NYT article.

Just about every article in the current news cycles has stated that is declared defense is that he "acted in self defense".

Google can be your friend.
San Francisco Gate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/17/MN0A1O4O7P.DTL

CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57414481/norway-mass-killer-anders-behring-breivik-defiant-at-start-of-oslo-bomb-and-shooting-massacre-trial/

CNN
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/norway-mass-murder-suspect-claims-self-defense/

Or the actual Quote from him
"I acknowledge the acts but do not plead guilty, and I claim I was doing it in self-defense"

medv4380:

snalin:
Where did you get the sources for that he "stated that he acted in "self defense"? That is 1) wrong, and 2) not in the NYT article.

Just about every article in the current news cycles has stated that is declared defense is that he "acted in self defense".

Google can be your friend.
San Francisco Gate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/17/MN0A1O4O7P.DTL

CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57414481/norway-mass-killer-anders-behring-breivik-defiant-at-start-of-oslo-bomb-and-shooting-massacre-trial/

CNN
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/norway-mass-murder-suspect-claims-self-defense/

Or the actual Quote from him
"I acknowledge the acts but do not plead guilty, and I claim I was doing it in self-defense"

He didn't actually said self-defence. Or well, he did, but the nordic languages has many diffrent meanings, since we have less words. It is hard to translate, someone else did earlier. He said "nödvärn". I think the best English translation in this context is "emergency response or "emergency measures". He didn't claim that he defended himself, but rather went outside the law to protect his country. Still a messed up interpretation...

Saviordd1:

El Luck:

Saviordd1:

Seriously? Remember Columbine? How many people blamed the whole damn thing on games because one of the shooters played counterstrike.

This shit always bites us in the ass, wake up.

Ok then, so what exactly will happen if video games are blamed for this by a few media groups who are just trying to drum up a sensationalist piece to sell a quick paper here and there?

Because clearly I'm too ignorant to see it.

Or maybe, just maybe I realise that gaming has been around for fucking years and yet somehow despite all the shit thrown at games like Mortal Kombat, GTA, Carmageddon, Doom, Counter Strike, Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, WoW and countless others, its still here and its gone from strength to strength.

But no, ignorance, clearly.

Public opinion lowers, always lowers, will continue to lower unless it changes.

All of those blows have set gaming back by years and months. Gaming is still always on the political chopping block because it is still seen as evil by idiots.

To the 2nd quote: I think one of them did actually re-create their school in a DOOM map, which is where people got the 'preparation' thing from.

Granted, I believe video games can help up to an extent in identifying your targets, but it doesn't help with handling it, dealing with recoil, knowing when to reload and so on and so forth.

Anders also shot people pretending to play dead, something most shooters skim over as it's not worth their time; that is the scariest part for me.

Captcha: Bitter End. Black Humour, Escapist?

Breivik is scum. End of story.

sinn3r:
I love how everybody is like "yeah ♥♥♥♥ fair trail. kill him.".

Makes me believe in our "civilization".

Yet another contrarion. Wow, you are so enlightened, I mean what would we, the sensible majority, do without you showing us how wrong we are.

Because a man who murdered so many people needs a "fair trial" after he admitted his guilt....

Mikeyfell:
Self defense against 77 people?
Well 77 people could kill me so I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm glad to see that a mass murderer is defending gaming, because if we can't even get them to stick up for us we're doomed as a culture.

This guy also wrote a book. I'm surprised that writers aren't being associated with mass murder.

Seriously Escapist, why do you run pieces that serve no purpose but to demonize gaming.
You should run more articles that demonize books and movies just to balance the score.

Uh... I think you're missing a few points here.

Namely:

WMDogma:
Before committing the attacks that claimed the lives several dozen people, most of whom were teenagers [Editor Note: I'm pretty sure these teenagers were also unarmed.] attending a summer camp on the Norwegian island of Utoya...

... Furthermore, Breivik claimed he also moved back home to have more time for writing his manifesto, a 1,500 page collection of hate-filled rambles against multiculturalism in Europe and Islam [read: hate-filled bigotry]...

Breivik later stated said he spent several months in 2010 extensively playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, claiming that he used the first person shooter to help hone his shooting skills because of the in-game holographic sight. He used a similar device when he carried out his attack on Utoya Island. [read: I used CoD to help train me to shoot innocent civilians]

Breivik's trial began on April 16th, and is expected to run approximately 10 weeks. Breivik has admitting to committing the killings, but stated that he acted in "self defense." [against civilians]

But maybe the article's wrong. Maybe Brreivik had to defend himself against 77 people (mostly teenagers) who, I guess, could've bludgeoned him to death with their Hunger Games novels or something, but let's go over what he did that led up to all of this.

He:

- Bombed government buildings in Oslo, the capital of Norway.

- Disguised himself as a police officer and, without provocation, opened fire on the adolescents at a camp of the Workers' Youth League, organized by the Labour Party.

- Confessed his entire motivation was to save Norway from a "Muslim takeover" and that the Labour Party had to "pay the price" for "letting down Norway and the Norwegian people".

- Made this little ditty (that some people may find offensive - viewer discretion advised).

... Yeah, no offense, but I don't see this guy winning any sympathy from anyone.

Paul Goodman, thank goodness. Can you imagine if Grey Carter got to this first? He'd slap his own opinion into every line, like always.

Anyway, Anders wants everyone to take him seriously I guess, which is why he's defending himself in this manner. As for self-defense, while it shows a blatant misunderstanding of the law, it's a point he's trying to make about "blacks" and "mixed-race mongrels" intruding on his way of life in a way that would eventually kill the white man. Don't forget, for all his manifestos he's still just a militant racist like anyone with the Confederate Flag in their bedroom.

jovack22:
Because a man who murdered so many people needs a "fair trial" after he admitted his guilt....

Do you understand what 'fair trial' means?

I would question whether or not he actually learned much about guns from Call of Duty. But tactics, snap-judgements in the heat of battle, processing large amounts of important visual information... that I can see.

sinn3r:
I love how everybody is like "yeah ♥♥♥♥ fair trail. kill him.".

Makes me believe in our "civilization".

I like it, it gives me insight on how our politicans keep getting elected

Scrustle:

Oh yeah, 1000 posts. Go me!

I offer my congratulations and a firm handshake.

If he keeps this up it will reveal all of us as the insane potential murderers we secretly are.[/sarcasm]

Its hard to believe that he actually thought CoD would improve his "skills". I would imagine he is saying this to exaggerate the planning he put into the whole thing. He's just a CoD fan. If he wasn't insane he would have gotten into politics instead of shooting people with opposing political views.

EDIT: 777 posts! WOOOOO

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