Mythic Kickstarter is a Scam

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Mythic Kickstarter is a Scam

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The Mythic: The Story of Gods and Men Kickstarter has been shut down.

A lot of really great things have been done with Kickstarter since the Double Fine Adventure helped turn it into the Next Big Thing for the videogame industry back in February. But like everything else in life, with the good comes in the bad, and so it's just about inevitable that every now and then we'll run into jerks who try to scam the system for their own personal benefit.

That appears to be what happened with the Kickstarter for Mythic: The Story of Gods and Men, which went live earlier this month but disappeared without warning a couple days ago. The project was reportedly being developed by Little Monster Productions, a team composed of former Blizzard employees who wanted to do "something better," and raised eyebrows by promising a blend of World of Warcraft gameplay with Skyrim visuals.

"Mythic is an open world concept that will allow you to choose where you want to go even if it does not coincide with the story line and current missions list (hey, sometimes we just like to explore to level up right?!)," the Kickstarter page says. "Depending on funding amount reached we will aiming to get a multiplayer version online by Summer 2013. Game engine is custom but built based off of Unity3D and animations will be done via motion capture thanks to some friends at Disney/Pixar!"

Claiming that Disney/Pixar would be handling motion capture, even in a very indirect fashion, was apparently enough to raise a field of red flags, which led to some digging by forum users at Rock, Paper, Shotgun and Something Awful. Their investigations discovered, among other things, that much of the art assets were swiped from other games, the Little Monster office shots are actually from the Burton Design Group and that the reward tiers are just about straight-up lifts of those offered by The Banner Saga.

It's easy to say in hindsight but the Mythic Kickstarter page is actually a pretty amateurish effort, which makes me wonder if it's actually a scam or just a stupid prank-slash-troll. Regardless, 83 people actually signed up to back the project for a total of $4739 before the Kickstarter was canceled over the weekend. The project's website, mythicthegame.com, has also disappeared, as has its Facebook page.

Luckily for those folks who signed up [especially the guy who pledged $2500], nothing aside from a bit of pride will be lost. Kickstarter only takes money from backers once a project reaches its funding goal.

via: MSNBC

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Well, crap. It had to happen someday, yet it just had to happen now. So early.

*sigh* Kickstarter will survive and thrive, though some public opinions are very fickle...

Lear'sFool:
Well, crap. It had to happen someday, yet it just had to happen now. So early.

*sigh* Kickstarter will survive and thrive, though some public opinions are very fickle...

Except it's already been happening. Kickstarter has been around for a while and so have scams on it. This isn't new at all so everyone saying this really doesn't realize that it hasn't happened already which confuses the heck out of me. Why would they not think that someone hasn't tried to use it for a scam after so long?

80Maxwell08:

Lear'sFool:
Well, crap. It had to happen someday, yet it just had to happen now. So early.

*sigh* Kickstarter will survive and thrive, though some public opinions are very fickle...

Except it's already been happening. Kickstarter has been around for a while and so have scams on it. This isn't new at all so everyone saying this really doesn't realize that it hasn't happened already which confuses the heck out of me. Why would they not think that someone hasn't tried to use it for a scam after so long?

Of course, but as far as most of the public is concerned, Kickstarter might as well have been born yesterday. It's new to them. It makes sense that a few of them will think a "new" service is starting to be used for scams, despite that conclusion being wrong and illogical.

Kickstarter is suddenly in the sun. Expect these things.

Lear'sFool:

80Maxwell08:

Lear'sFool:
Well, crap. It had to happen someday, yet it just had to happen now. So early.

*sigh* Kickstarter will survive and thrive, though some public opinions are very fickle...

Except it's already been happening. Kickstarter has been around for a while and so have scams on it. This isn't new at all so everyone saying this really doesn't realize that it hasn't happened already which confuses the heck out of me. Why would they not think that someone hasn't tried to use it for a scam after so long?

Of course, but as far as most of the public is concerned, Kickstarter might as well have been born yesterday. It's new to them. It makes sense that a few of them will think a "new" service is starting to be used for scams, despite that conclusion being wrong and illogical.

Kickstarter is suddenly in the sun. Expect these things.

Fair enough. Also for some other news the record Double Fine set for most donated was already beaten a while ago.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=discover_pop
It was beaten in 4 days since it started.

80Maxwell08:

Lear'sFool:

80Maxwell08:

Except it's already been happening. Kickstarter has been around for a while and so have scams on it. This isn't new at all so everyone saying this really doesn't realize that it hasn't happened already which confuses the heck out of me. Why would they not think that someone hasn't tried to use it for a scam after so long?

Of course, but as far as most of the public is concerned, Kickstarter might as well have been born yesterday. It's new to them. It makes sense that a few of them will think a "new" service is starting to be used for scams, despite that conclusion being wrong and illogical.

Kickstarter is suddenly in the sun. Expect these things.

Fair enough. Also for some other news the record Double Fine set for most donated was already beaten a while ago.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=discover_pop
It was beaten in 4 days since it started.

It's a fancy watch?

80Maxwell08:

Lear'sFool:

80Maxwell08:

Except it's already been happening. Kickstarter has been around for a while and so have scams on it. This isn't new at all so everyone saying this really doesn't realize that it hasn't happened already which confuses the heck out of me. Why would they not think that someone hasn't tried to use it for a scam after so long?

Of course, but as far as most of the public is concerned, Kickstarter might as well have been born yesterday. It's new to them. It makes sense that a few of them will think a "new" service is starting to be used for scams, despite that conclusion being wrong and illogical.

Kickstarter is suddenly in the sun. Expect these things.

Fair enough. Also for some other news the record Double Fine set for most donated was already beaten a while ago.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=discover_pop
It was beaten in 4 days since it started.

I am suddenly interested in that watch...

OT: I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner! I don't really think this will have any real negative impacts on Kickstarter, after all, no one lost any money.

Can't say I'm surprised. Kickstarter's very concept is pretty idealistic to begin with.

Consider this: an upstart dev whom you've heard nothing about crops up on Kickstarter with a decent spiel, a few fetching pieces of concept art, decent tier rewards and a professed history of competence. All it asks in return for their efforts in producing a game is a pledge on your part.

Seems legit, right? Except you can't verify any of these claims. Even as scam attempts go, this is plainly amateurish. Don't go and claim that you've got contacts at Disney/Pixar when you're one little indie studio; that's just way too big a fish for anyone to swallow. Even assuming the project got funded, what's to say the scammers could have simply turned tail and blasted off with the acquired funds?

What we've seen was just a trial run. I'm pretty sure we'll eventually hear about some douchebag pseudo-dev who will have been more than happy to take off with a few painlessly earned hundreds of thousands.

Actually, I think this serves as an effective demonstration of Kickstarter's safety. Folks figured out the con pretty quickly, and no one involved lost anything. It's even entirely possible that, as shady as this looked, the con-men themselves pledge a lot of that money just to add an air of legitimacy (It's what I would do)... which would mean not many people were fooled at all.

I'm willing to bet that the $2500 pledge was one of the scammers salting the pot so it looks more attractive.

Wow, best part is that the people actually try to keep things going even after they were found out. When links of the stolen artwork and everything was posted, all they could think of saying was "oh no no no no, this game has been in development for a long time!"

I bet it has been. Must of taken them years to figure out how to flip the Anubis picture towards the other way, not to mention the little "old" effect applied to the whole thing.

I was wondering when the first kickstarter scam would crop up. Although to it's credit, it was a lot later than I anticipated.

Robert Ewing:
I was wondering when the first kickstarter scam would crop up. Although to it's credit, it was a lot later than I anticipated.

same, surprised it took this long. which i suppose can be interpreted as a good thing

Yeah, it's a shame, but filthy, greed ridden fuckers will always find a way to get their stinking hands into anything good.

Just pleased little damage was done is all.

Was only a matter of time. I'm surprised it took this long.

Just wait until someone who knows what they're doing pulls one of these scams.

yepp was always only a matter of time. glad people caught it so soon though, that is surprisingly quick.

in b4 the parade of people who think kickstarter is the worst thing to ever happen saying "I TOLD YOU SO! LOL ALL YOU BAD KIDZ WHO CALLED IT! I DID! BECAUSE I'M SO SMART AND BETTER THAN YOU!"

It's a shame they didn't actually lose their money instead, it would have taught them a good lesson.

Ever since I seen Kickstart I awaited a story like this. I cant help but also wonder what would happen to donated money if the developers suddenly dropped the project a month or two after achieving their goals, what legal action could be taken?

ThePenguinKnight:
Ever since I seen Kickstart I awaited a story like this. I cant help but also wonder what would happen to donated money if the developers suddenly dropped the project a month or two after achieving their goals, what legal action could be taken?

That would depend on a large number of factors. The largest would be the total amount of cash that was taken. Others would include country of origin, and the countries of the backers, and how generous legal departments were feeling.

So Mythic is the spiritual successor to Dawn, then?

im another who has been waitinf for this and im glad it was such a badly done scam that no one got burned.

This is kinda old news. I heard about this a good several days ago.

Scars Unseen:
So Mythic is the spiritual successor to Dawn, then?

The comic character?

The concern this throws up to me is whether there is a vetting process at Kickstarter for all projects before being green lit.
If there isn't then that is pretty stupid because at best you are setting yourself up for a PR nightmare, at worst you are an accessory to fraud.
If there is a vetting process then it is obviously pretty shit. The report states that it was the Disney/Pixar claim that set off the red lights, NOT the fact that they were claiming they could produce something on the scale of WoW and Skyrim on a Kickstarter budget.
It's true that everyones insight is better with hindsight, but come on; it took Bethesda four years to create Skyrim and they had backing from a major company and decades of previous experience to draw on. Even if the developer was good to their word, you would surely have to be suspicious of anyone making such grand claims while needing a "good faith" start-up kitty.

The person responsible is ---------. This is a complete disrespect to the gaming community and he owes it to this industry to pay the money back to real fans of games.

His email is -Information removed by Mod

Everyone tell him to return the money and stop frauding people

Please don't post people's public information on forums, nor ask people to be your own personal army. If I see you posting stuff like this again, I'll ban you.

-Mod

Starke:

Scars Unseen:
So Mythic is the spiritual successor to Dawn, then?

The comic character?

Er.. no. Dawn, a "revolutionary" MMO that has been in "late alpha" for the past 11 years. Because of the hype it generated a decade ago, it's probably one of the most notable pieces of vaporware in gaming history(now that Duke Nukem Forever actually got released). Granted, Mythic hasn't even come close to the notoriety that Dawn had back then, but if they had managed to complete the Kickstarter before getting caught... There wouldn't have been enough popcorn in the world.

Alfonzo Burton:
The person responsible is --------. This is a complete disrespect to the gaming community and he owes it to this industry to pay the money back to real fans of games.

-----------

Everyone tell him to return the money and stop frauding people

No money to return. Kickstarter doesn't collect money until the goal is met, which will never happen since the Kickstarter was pulled. This is more funny than enraging, really.

It was bound to happen sooner or later , I am glad Kickstarter were aware of this.

even when a kickstarter is successfully funded it still takes 3 weeks before amazon lets the payment go through

Seems like this was a very poorly done scam as well. If I was them, I would've at least created a VERY BASIC engine and shat out a few new screenshots and maybe even some footage. Then I could open a "public alpha" and release that as a "finished project". Then I would take the rest of the money and bail.

Herp derp, throwed money at screen but magic ideal game not happen... sad face.

Nip kickstarter in the butt, stop supporting it, it'll ruin the gaming industry, and all you guys who support it are just nails in the damn coffin!. A bit negative, I know, but frankly I'm sick of every failing development studio holding a game to ransom, and using nostalgia as a selling force, because older gamers have more money right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can anyone name a kickstarter project that has been completed?
What happend to that documentary about Mojang? - apparantly it's in the 'final stages', after a year some people might expect to see where their money went. What happens when a game turns out to be absolute crap?

I have to stop posting about it, kickstarter is giving me a fricken ulcer. I'm not throwing money at the screen, I'll keep it in my wallet until there's something tangible I can put some faith in. People say 'nobodies forcing you', which is fair enough, what really concerns me is how it will turn into normality to expect public funding, as if our support is fair game, as if just buying the damn thing isn't enough.

Black Arrow Officer:
Seems like this was a very poorly done scam as well. If I was them, I would've at least created a VERY BASIC engine and shat out a few new screenshots and maybe even some footage. Then I could open a "public alpha" and release that as a "finished project". Then I would take the rest of the money and bail.

Thats the thing. It was a very poorly done scam, and it highlights how easy it actually is to get people to pledge money. What if these people had an ounce of competence?

All you need is some made up sketch art and a big idea. This was caught early, but like I have already said. Some1 will burn their finger eventually.

Dastardly:
Actually, I think this serves as an effective demonstration of Kickstarter's safety. Folks figured out the con pretty quickly, and no one involved lost anything. It's even entirely possible that, as shady as this looked, the con-men themselves pledge a lot of that money just to add an air of legitimacy (It's what I would do)... which would mean not many people were fooled at all.

It certainly mitigates some of the risk. Without having a 3rd party involved people wouldn't have much of a chance getting their money back in a case like this. It can't root out all scams but it helps.

surg3n:

Nip kickstarter in the butt, stop supporting it, it'll ruin the gaming industry, and all you guys who support it are just nails in the damn coffin!. A bit negative, I know, but frankly I'm sick of every failing development studio holding a game to ransom, and using nostalgia as a selling force, because older gamers have more money right?

And yet Wasteland 2 will still be better than COD 7,000.

This really shouldn't bother anyone. The chances of someone actually getting away with a scam seem rather low.

What I'm worried about is the inevitability of a major Kickstarter game not being finished. Games with full budgets occasionally fall through, it seems unlikely that ones funded through donations would be somehow immune.

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