Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

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Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

The YouTube community's response to the Tropes Vs Women Kickstarter project has been enthusiastically vile.

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy.

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

That comment is one of hundreds, most of which share the same tone, posted in response to a YouTube video plugging Anita Sarkeesian's Tropes Vs Women Kickstarter project. The project, which has thus far exceeded its $6,000 goal by a whopping $43,000, promises to "explore, analyze and deconstruct some of the most common tropes and stereotypes of female characters in games" - not a popular subject, if the comments are anything to go by. In just two hours, the video attracted some 100+ comments, the vast majority of which were negative if not outright hateful. Here's a few of the highlights, all of which come with a hefty dose of [sic].

"Would be better if she filmed this in the kitchen," quips max 547490.

"She is a JEW," 614streets adds helpfully.

"ask money for making a fucking vlog? And you made it in a way that women should pledge for not being dominated by man. Smart and evil plan. You are the reason why womens are the inferior gender for the whole history of mankind," points out Armisael.

"fuck you feminist fucks you already have equality. Infact yo have better shit than most males, be glad what you got bitch. Also if you want equality, we talk to men like that too, so fuck off faggo.. I mean lesbian," says Arto572.

">video games are about doing hard work, thus men are a better choice you just went full retard," added ToxicHedgie.

"1:09 This controller looks so unused. I doubt that she is a real gamer. She just looked for a niche where she can distinguish herself with her feminist propaganda," is Tig3r0's expert opinion.

"Fucking downvoted and flagged for terrorism. Dumb ass nazi cunt," adds BoxxyizQueen.

On top of those beauties, there's the usual threats of violence and rape, as well as organized efforts to have Sarkeesian's YouTube videos flagged as terrorism and her Kickstarter project defunded. YouTube comments are, by and large, where the lowest common denominator goes to slum it for a while, so people posting awful things is hardly unusual. What is unusual, is the sheer depth of hatred on display. If the aim of the outrage was to prove that the gaming community doesn't have a lingering problem with women, well ... good job, guys.

Source: Feminist Frequency

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Edit: Kay guys, no-one else can bring anything new the table in telling me what the video does wrong. For the love of all the gods, stop quoting me, I simply don't care any more, you aren't adding anything.

Edit: Okay, you can see the video in someone's quote, quote someone else about it.

Edit 2: Just to clarify - this is absolutely unacceptable behaviour, and it sickens me to be reminded that there are still people like this in this volume. And I do agree with the creators in the view that games need better female characters. I just think they're going about it the wrong way - as does the video's creator.

I'm also aware now that I missed the tree for the forest here - focussing on the fact that this isn't the only reason why people might disagree with the kickstarter, and completely neglecting the point of the article, namely the misogynist horde. My bad. And in that, I was probably a bit harsh on my comment towards Mr Carter. My bad about that too.

Okay? Not misogynistic, just think there are far better ways to go about fixing this issue rather than the way this kickstarter is going about it. And I do hope those better ways come to light sooner rather than later.

It's obvious that someone in the Stormfront community linked this video and now there all acting like big men teaming up on someone who thinks differently then themselves on the internet... Real tuff guys on there.

Also thanks to Bob for supporting Tropes vs. Women.

Oh "gaming community".

You're just upset because no-one touches your penis, aren't you?

I'd say it's working perfectly.

She's already gone from "Who's that bitch?" to "Oh, that bitch."

If the aim of the outrage was to prove that the gaming community doesn't have a lingering problem with women, well ... good job, guys.

I'd say it's more a problem with her one-sided approach that rails against video-game women conforming to stereotypes, while completely ignoring that video-game men conform to stereotypes just as much. And the fact that she's crowdsourcing videos, videos just like the one she made to advertise her solicitations, videos she'll make even more money on the ad revenue and traffic they'll generate.

But, by all means, let's pay $50 so she can tell us we're all pigs for playing Super Mario Brothers, which has a princess who needs rescuing.

I can't imagine the wisdom of having death-threats and otherwise just outright hateful vitriol associated with one's youtube account. It's not like the FBI can't trace that activity to your person. It's not like such activity won't be frowned upon if exposed to family and friends.

And, even if spoken without intent, sending a death-threat is a crime; you can be jailed. You should be jailed.

I don't know how to respond to this.

I mean, I know at this point I should be used to this level of stupidity, but really, I can't see how a functioning human being displays this level of bullshit. I mean, really, what the fuck?

Buretsu:
I'd say it's working perfectly.

She's already gone from "Who's that bitch?" to "Oh, that bitch."

If the aim of the outrage was to prove that the gaming community doesn't have a lingering problem with women, well ... good job, guys.

I'd say it's more a problem with her one-sided approach that rails against video-game women conforming to stereotypes, while completely ignoring that video-game men conform to stereotypes just as much. And the fact that she's crowdsourcing videos, videos just like the one she made to advertise her solicitations, videos she'll make even more money on the ad revenue and traffic they'll generate.

But, by all means, let's pay $50 so she can tell us we're all pigs for playing Super Mario Brothers, which has a princess who needs rescuing.

I would say that's a bit unfair. Sure, men do have stereotypical images plastered about for games, but there are also various other male figures in games, from geek types to meatheads, to the super soldier, the weaklings, the grunts, school kid superheroe, to the average joe. Women usually are either oversexualized, or incredibly weak in games, reduced to being rescued or hiding. Asking for a bit more diversity, besides a couple of one offs, isn't a terrible idea. there are so many games that fit my fiance's connection to a character (he prefers fast, agile characters that usually do sharpshooting or blade combat) versus my wish for a character (a loud, strong woman that doesn't look like she would either snap in half due to her battles, nor would be so poorly balanced from her breasts that she cannot possibly be able to do what she does (when it gets to the point that the character model goes through where their boobs are, its a bit too far.)

Buretsu:

I'd say it's more a problem with her one-sided approach that rails against video-game women conforming to stereotypes, while completely ignoring that video-game men conform to stereotypes just as much.

So... Why does she have to acknowledge that male characters often fall into the same traps too? Ignoring for a second that women have it much worse in games than men, what does that change?

OT: This is quite sad. Seriously, I just cannot fathom the deep-seated hatred one must have to make comments like that. :/

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments and calling it news, here:

A) People can throw money wherever they like and support the projects they feel are important (and in this case, it is)

B) Don't point to a video of some asshole making ridicule of said project as an argument.

What the hell is this shit?

Seriously, not that I agree with the fucking asshole Youtube-commenters, but this is like asking the KKK what they think of Obama as a president and use it as an example of "See how everyone hates black people?"

I haven't watched a lot of this "feminist frequency", but from what I can gather it's another one of those that are overcalling "Sexism" if a woman dresses like a slut. Not that I believe that the view of women in games are top-notch, but these people (and oh, have I met them) seem to believe that horrible writing and power-fantasy = active discrimination based on your sex.

I mean, why do you even bother? Anonymous persons are full of hyperbole and exaggeration since they don't get any punishment whatsoever for spewing their hate while no one can touch them or know who they are. Just fucking ignore them, I honestly doubted there was anyone actually trying to read comments below a "controversial" youtube-video.

It's bloody stupid.

Well Grey, the problem is that this kind of thing is a no win scenario. Like it or not feminist rabble rousing, and politically correct rabble rounsing in general, has been a problem and has started to seriously mess up gaming just like political correctness has messed up so many things before it. If you just politely disagree with it, then typically you wind up getting gang banged by the PC or more likely just ignored as the person does whatever they are out to do and grabs their platform. If you get more forceful, either from the beginning, or in response, then your treated as some kind of a demon who must hate women or whatever minority is the subject of the politically correct rant to some ridiculous degree, thuis proving the point. This leads to this kind of anger increasingly coming out of the gun right from the beginning, which is what we're seeing here.

It doesn't help that the lady doing this is pretty much the poster child for the entire problem. She pretty much matches the stereotype from presentation, to asking for money, to her rather dubious cred in championing this "issue" (which isn't really an issue to begin with), so yeah, she's being attacked. I'll be honest in saying I find her pretty abhorrant myself, just on the merits of what she's trying to make an issue out of, given that the only reason to try and do so is to get attention.

Ask yourself this question Grey, whether you agree with her or not, how would you try and shut her down if you were of a mind to do so? You can say you wouldn't engage in E-intimidation, but at the same time it's not like there are any other recourses.

It's not always a pleasant situation but sometimes the right to free speech has to be used to police the right to free speech so to speak. In this case the lady being "victimized" really is the bad guy, as there is literally zero good that can come from anything that she claims to represent, since the issue she is "addressing" doesn't exist, and is simply being used as a way of getting a platform. Taking it beyond internet rants to the point of trying to get people to finance a larger platform? Obviously a lot of concerned gamers don't want to see that, because this is really a form of rabble rousing that needs to die as opposed to being encouraged.

What I'm saying isn't nice, and I doubt you (and many others) will agree with me, but I can't really see her as being a victim here. But then again having looked at this same "issue" foe years like many people have, I already know it's bunk. Those attacks might not be nice (and outright hurtful), but understand that the intention here is to stop her, and there is no real way to "reason" in a situation like this. There isn't any kind of an authority that one can appeal to in order to stop this. Vlogs don't require permits the way public demonstrations and the like do.

Think of it as a counter demonstration, two totally opposed groups forming up on other sides of the street. Do you think it's going to be devoid of any kind of attacks on the people involved (beyond the issue)? From where I'm sitting, this is the internet version.

...i'm not touching this with a ten foot pole...

-sigh- Another fine display of the openness to discuss differences of opinion in the community, great going.

Although asking for $6000 to discuss woman in videogames which others have already discussed by many people e.g. Extra Credits is a bit much.

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments, which are vile on every subject under the sun, and calling it news, here:

This guy makes some good points.

BreakfastMan:

Buretsu:

I'd say it's more a problem with her one-sided approach that rails against video-game women conforming to stereotypes, while completely ignoring that video-game men conform to stereotypes just as much.

So... Why does she have to acknowledge that male characters often fall into the same traps too? Ignoring for a second that women have it much worse in games than men, what does that change?

It changes the message from "Women are treated badly in games and you should feel ashamed of it!" to "Video game writing is bad since it reinforces often negative stereotypes, and needs to be changed". Obviously, the first one has more shock value, so therefore it must be the better choice.

Aaaand cue the people defending this sort of shit.

This stuff happens all the time in the gaming community and it needs to be pointed out and heckled as much as possible.

Hopefully, the gaming community will be dragged kicking and screaming towards a point where this kind of crap is at least frowned upon. (But I am sure I will be called `extreme` for even thinking there is a problem).

Therumancer:
Ask yourself this question Grey, whether you agree with her or not, how would you try and shut her down if you were of a mind to do so? You can say you wouldn't engage in E-intimidation, but at the same time it's not like there are any other recourses.

I wouldn't. I'm not so insecure in my views that I feel the need to censor people who disagree with me.

Grey Carter:

"Would be better if she filmed this in the kitchen," quips max 547490.

"She is a JEW," 614streets adds helpfully.

"ask money for making a fucking vlog? And you made it in a way that women should pledge for not being dominated by man. Smart and evil plan. You are the reason why womens are the inferior gender for the whole history of mankind," points out Armisael.

"fuck you feminist fucks you already have equality. Infact yo have better shit than most males, be glad what you got bitch. Also if you want equality, we talk to men like that too, so fuck off faggo.. I mean lesbian," says Arto572.

">video games are about doing hard work, thus men are a better choice you just went full retard," added ToxicHedgie.

"1:09 This controller looks so unused. I doubt that she is a real gamer. She just looked for a niche where she can distinguish herself with her feminist propaganda," is Tig3r0's expert opinion.

"Fucking downvoted and flagged for terrorism. Dumb ass nazi cunt," adds BoxxyizQueen.

On top of those beauties, there's the usual threats of violence and rape, as well as an organized efforts to have Sarkeesian's YouTube videos flagged as terrorism and her Kickstarter project defunded. YouTube comments are, by and large, where the lowest common denominator goes to slum it for a while, so people posting awful things is hardly unusual. What is unusual, is the sheer depth of hatred on display. If the aim of the outrage was to prove that the gaming community doesn't have a lingering problem with women, well ... good job, guys.

Well... this is Youtube we are talking about. I would call anyone who expect any other than this reaction, rather naive...

And having typed that... I know realise that I am truly not surprised by this... and no depressed that, in this day and age, such ignorance and caliousness still exists in places I tend to enjoy most any other day...

good freaking lord...

Good to see the usual dip shits crawling out of the sewers to spew hatred and the like when someone tries flashing some sunlight at them.

There were people ENRAGED at a mod for Dragon Age that covered Morrigan up more, or got rid of the cleavage in some female armor.

Misogynistic losers are a pathetic breed of gamers indeed.

ShadowKirby:

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments and calling it news, here:

A) People can throw money wherever they like and support the projects they feel are important (and in this case, it is)

B) Don't point to a video of some asshole making ridicule of said project as an argument.

A) totally agree with you there. I disagree with him there at that - people can do whatever the fuck they want with their money

B) I disagree with. He makes a very valid point at the fact that this project is completely pointless. If you don't know who are bad female characters are in games, you have not played games. It is an issue, and everyone who is not misogynist knows it's an issue. But this idea is just a massive waste of money because the documentary is pointless - it's going to be, to use your words, some asshole making ridicule of obviously bad characters as an argument. This isn't going to sway anyone, this isn't going to inform anyone, this is just people pointing out obvious stuff that's been said 100s of times before.

It's an argument because this article is ridiculously biased towards it, it gives the impression of 'if you disagree with the documentary you're misogynistic'. When in reality, many might disagree because the whole thing is stupid. It can and has been done for free, many times, many have done, for free, a better way of addressing the issue. It's just a massive waste of time and money - time and money everyone has the right to throw away, as it is other people's right to disagree with the project and call it a waste.

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments, which are vile on every subject under the sun, and calling it news, here:

AS much as this documentary is pointless, the story is about the abuse she is recieving. That isn't called for and it's disgusting, she obviously doesn't deserve that. She also doesn't really deserve her kickstarter funding either.

ShadowKirby:

A) People can throw money wherever they like and support the projects they feel are important (and in this case, it is)

B) Don't point to a video of some asshole making ridicule of said project as an argument.

Oh, sorry lads and lasses, can't share anything that contradicts this guys points of view! I mean, how dare we have our own opinions and post with in the rules of this forum.

This project isn't important. People can throw their money at whatever the fuck they want, but this is just wasted. This money could have a million better uses. Maybe give it to a womens charity. Fuck, burn it and use it as a heat source, that would probably be better.

This documentary is going to do literally nothing. Why does she need thousands of dollars to point out the obvious? People are either A: Smart enough to realise most females in videogames aren't realistic representations of most females, or B: Are stupid douchebags and this documentary is going to do nothing to change that. Extra Credits basically did the same thing as this a while back, without having to do a kickstarter. In fact, go on Youtube and I bet the same type of video exists a dozen times over, again made for free.

I don't know if this women is earnest and naive, or money grabbing, but either way she isn't doing anything worthwhile. The video makes some very valid points about what a documentary should and shouldn't do, and notes many flaws that mean both those docu's will inevitably suck.

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments, which are vile on every subject under the sun, and calling it news, here:

If you don't agree with the documentary, you don't say she needs some dick or anything similar that they feel it is oh so funny. You don't give money and you forget about it.

I wish all those idiots posting those comments in her YouTube video lost their internet connection and never ever recovered it again. They make the internet dirty just by connecting to it.

razer17:

AS much as this documentary is pointless, the story is about the abuse she is recieving. That isn't called for and it's disgusting, she obviously doesn't deserve that. She also doesn't really deserve her kickstarter funding either.

True, and I don't dispute that it isn't called for and it makes me embarassed to associate my gender with these people, but I mean, why make a news report for this? If there was a news report every time a bunch of misogynists were being scum, we'd never learn anything outside of youtube/xbox live. Sure it's unacceptable, but we aren't fixing anything, and we aren't learning anything - anyone who saw this project knew right away this was going to happen.

paketep:

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments, which are vile on every subject under the sun, and calling it news, here:

If you don't agree with the documentary, you don't say she needs some dick or anything similar that they feel it is oh so funny. You don't give money and you forget about it.

I wish all those idiots posting those comments in her YouTube video lost their internet connection and never ever recovered it again. They make the internet dirty just by connecting to it.

For one, see above. For another, that's like saying that you aren't allowed to disagree with uwe boll making films, or EA practices, or Michael Bay Michael-Baying franchises (don't necessarily hold they views FYI) because you can just not give money and forget about it. The response youtubers are giving is absolutely vile and unacceptable. The response I gave is acceptable - disagreeing and giving reasons why without insulting the creators.

Ha! People are hilariously stupid.

I'd quite like to see what she produces; it'd be nice to see something other than the massive titted, cookie-cutter, females from most games.

I used to like being part of the gaming community but stupid BS like this is occurring so frequently I'm actually embarrassed to be associated with 99% of gamers.

Regardless of whether or not you think this person deserves $6000 to make a documentary, or even if such a documentary is necessary, the response to it is completely unacceptable and you degrade us all by acting this way.

Yeah, mysognist comments suck, but why the hell would anyone kickstarter a youtube video series that people have been doing for free since the inception of the site? I mean what does she need to spend money doing?

I think the series has the potential to be interesting, but more than likely it's just going to be identical to the critiques that have been all over game journalism for the last few years and we'll gain nothing from it.

Don't bother funding it, but don't flame her either.

Richardplex:
Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this that isn't just picking youtube comments, which are vile on every subject under the sun, and calling it news, here:

So... he talks about documentaries needing to be unbiased, and then goes on to be incredibly biased himself. Wonderful. A lot of the things he said seems to be opinion based, like how 'everyone already understands this subject already.' I highly doubt this is true. That's not to say he doesn't make valid points, just that those points seem to be masked by pure hate for the kickstarter. And I wouldn't call that video very rational either considering it's mainly just him bitching about things he doesn't like.

Personally, I'm not sure where to stand on the documentary itself. It does seem like it'll be biased, though it's hard to tell for sure given the fact that it hasn't (as far as I know) been produced yet. But at the same time it is an issue that seems to be on many gamers minds at the moment given the reaction to the Hitman trailer. I'm not sure about her motivation or how it'll turn out. But at the same time I think it's up to the people doing so to decide if they want to contribute to it or not. I personally do not. Though the arguement that this seems to be more of a cash-grab might have some merit depending on how well the final product turns out. If it turns out to be shit that likely took about 1/20th of the amount she got at best, then I suspect a lot of people will be pissed for good reason. We'll just have to see.

But as for the reaction it's gotten, which seems to be the main point of this article, I do think that a lot of the comments are just downright bad. The fact people are trying to get this labeled as terrorism and get the project defunded only helps kind of show that there is an issue to be addressed in my opinion. But a lot of that reaction is from Youtube comments. That's where you're normally going to see some of the worst reactions anyways. So taking them as evidence isn't neccessarily the best idea. I dunno.

Bertylicious:
Ha! People are hilariously stupid.

I'd quite like to see what she produces; it'd be nice to see something other than the massive titted, cookie-cutter, females from most games.

But they go so well with the ridiculously broad shoulders, absurdly chiseled abs, perfectly formed posteriors, and carefully mussed hair of the cookie-cutter males from most games.

Didnt mean to hit post. Apologies.

Um youtube comments, come on now really? Were talking about the same community that can turn a mario video into a 'debate' over religion. It comes with the territory, welcome to the world of 12 year old trolls, enjoy your stay.

Now, I haven't been to the kickstarter. But I will say this. As the evidence here shows, it doesn't actually seem feminist at all. She isn't talking about changing the videogame industry. She is talking about common tropes in videogames regarding women. Ultimately it may spur some kind of change in the industry, but whether it does or not it's ultimately completely harmless. The industry is about money. Say they make all these games politically correct, they will probably not sell as well, or they may sell exactly the same. I can't think of the last time I saw a so called misogynist scene in a game and was not really indifferent about it. Really, everyone knows about these tropes and deconstructing them isn't going to change that. We all know about the helpless princess and the over sexualized female lead, all of that.

I pity the people that participate in the situation as they do, based on the YouTube comments. But if you look at some of the more inflammatory comments, many of these people are not upset about it being about women, but a whole host of issues including it being about women. It's a real shame this is going on. But I bet it was this kind of thing that made more people donate money. Which I would consider a positive thing.

WOW people on the internet being sexist, racist assholes.
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John Funk:
Didnt mean to hit post. Apologies.

I saw that. What did it matter? It's not like YOU would have to face repercussions for posting things like that.

Phasmal:
Aaaand cue the people defending this sort of shit.

This stuff happens all the time in the gaming community and it needs to be pointed out and heckled as much as possible.

Hopefully, the gaming community will be dragged kicking and screaming towards a point where this kind of crap is at least frowned upon. (But I am sure I will be called `extreme` for even thinking there is a problem).

Amen, this kind of behavior is just vile. There's literally no other way to describe it; it's just vile, pathetic, insecure, juvenile bullshit. And I'm gonna be blunt, it's not because people think this woman is biased and unfair that they're ragging on her. They're ragging on her because she actually has a spine to bring these matters to light AT ALL. Sexism has not magically vanished just because of women's suffrage, it still happens and in videogames it's a giant neon elephant in the room that needs to be addressed. I commend her for putting up with this and I do eagerly await to see what this series will be like.

It goes without saying that those comments were completely vile and unnecessary. Still, I have to throw my hat into the whole "Why bother making a documentary?" ring as well.

At this point in time it would seem more reasonable (and more productive) to use Kickstarter to fund games with better female characters rather than to make a documentary about the lack of good female characters in video games. It's sort of like a hospital getting funding to help improve hospital standards, and rather than improving the hospital the money is instead used to make a documentary on how the hospital is in disarray. I guess my thought is that with the countless number of youtube videos, blogs, even forum posts dedicated to the subject, it would seem to me that we have gone past the "Identify the problem" stage and should be heading into the "How do we resolve this" stage.

Grey Carter:

Therumancer:
Ask yourself this question Grey, whether you agree with her or not, how would you try and shut her down if you were of a mind to do so? You can say you wouldn't engage in E-intimidation, but at the same time it's not like there are any other recourses.

I wouldn't. I'm not so insecure in my views that I feel the need to censor people who disagree with me.

Well said Grey. She can't harm anyone by engaging in this type of documentation. So maybe she disagrees with you, so what. You're a way better man than a lot of folks on the internet.

Also, isn't it amazing what the anonymity of the internet does to some people.

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