Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

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Wanna add one more thing to the Author of this news headline. Posting the source of your news should NEVER come from the most biased person in the room. Your entire story is completely one-sided using as your source the VERY PERSON who is supposedly the "victim" and is most certainly the center of attention.

That is a HUGE problem as there leads to zero perspective or actual proper dissent aside from the void that is youtube comments or proper dissents that could actually invoke a proper discussion as noted by Shadowkirby with his link of another youtube on exactly the content of your news story that certainly deserves as much attention than going for the trolls.

Helmholtz Watson:

JerrytheBullfrog:
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The article was crap, apparently rape culture doesn't have to have rape involved? Then it isn't rape culture!

It's about the sexualisation of women and the objectification of the female body, reducing them to a form and series of holes to stick parts into. By reducing women to items and sex objects, you take way their humanity and create a culture wherein the actual needs of female partners are ignored. Basically: men fuck women because it feels good and don't care about the girl, her feelings or if she enjoys it.

Which is all bullshit. But that's what they are trying to tell us.

Jiggy:

Because we here actually differentiate between core games and farmville.

In other words, because those numbers are bullshit.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf

So, you really think that all females are playing farmville? And "core" gamers *don't make me laugh. If you don't play on a professional level you are just a dirty peasent casual as the farmville person is* are only the few teenage males?

TheKasp:

Jiggy:

Because we here actually differentiate between core games and farmville.

In other words, because those numbers are bullshit.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf

So, you really think that all females are playing farmville? And "core" gamers *don't make me laugh. If you don't play on a professional level you are just a dirty peasent casual as the farmville person is* are only the few teenage males?

Not Farmville specifically and not all of them no, but Games in that vein and most of them, yes.

You're also wrong about the "professional level" thing. I differ in that I am a actual enthusiast. My Fiance plays the Sims, that doesn't make her a "Gamer" in the vein that I am. To pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest. People aren't talking about Dance Central and you know it.

Clearing the Eye:

Helmholtz Watson:

JerrytheBullfrog:
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The article was crap, apparently rape culture doesn't have to have rape involved? Then it isn't rape culture!

It's about the sexualisation of women and the objectification of the female body, reducing them to a form and series of holes to stick parts into. By reducing women to items and sex objects, you take way their humanity and create a culture wherein the actual needs of female partners are ignored. Basically: men fuck women because it feels good and don't care about the girl, her feelings or if she enjoys it.

Which is all bullshit. But that's what they are trying to tell us.

It's only bullshit because you made the most reductio ad ridiculum kind of interpretation of the concept.
Objectification is only part of the issue. And just to be clear, at no point does real rape culture theorists propose that men are somehow inherently incapable of being sensitive to the feelings of their sexual partners.

Rape culture describes a societal tendency of trivialising matters pertaining rape, violence and sexualisation aimed at women and laying the blame of such incidents at the victim's feet.

You've been raped?
Tough luck, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt.

Someone threatened you with sexual violence?
Hey, it's just smack talk.

That guy wouldn't stop hitting on you even though you told him to stop?
Boys will be boys!

It's actually a power dynamic which is damaging to both men and women, if in a more substantiated way for the latter.
Women because they are put at the mercy of a culture which subconsciously claims them as possessions and causes them to live in a state of near-unwavering fear of assault, and men because those who perpetuate this culture are reduced to pawns of the kyriarchy.

On a related note, ironically enough, modern feminism believes that men are more than capable of transcending these institutionalised roles to which they are expected to adhere. Feminism actually acknowledges the agency of men, and their status as equals.
And yet feminism is accused of misandry.

maddawg IAJI:

Richardplex:
Edit: Kay guys, no-one else can bring anything new the table in telling me what the video does wrong. For the love of all the gods, stop quoting me, I simply don't care any more, you aren't adding anything.

Wow. Talk about one sided journalism. For a rational view of why people are against this For a reason why people are against this who aren't misogynistic pricks, that isn't just picking youtube comments, which are vile on every subject under the sun, and calling it news, here [Edit:while it makes some valid points, take it with a grain of salt, as ForeverPandering is opinionated and does enjoy bitching and making fun of people. But still, he gives some valid non-misogynist points against the project, though his ""Females have ample and adequate representation in video games" bit is BS, ignore that]:

I'm not here to really talk about what you said, rather on the video you posted. If you haven't realized yet, that video is completely inaccurate on most of the information it gives out. Take the very beginning for example, where he mentions that this is a bad idea for a documentary and he would be right if it was not for one major factor, this is not a documentary. This is a critique of popular culture. While documentaries need to focus on both sides of the coin, critique does not. Critique is all about finding fault and problems within a scenario. Yahtzee is a critic, MovieBob writes critiques, Micheal Moore is a critic. The History Channel however, mostly does documentaries.

He also talks about how the main consumers of video games are 15-25 year old males. They're aren't. The average consumer is in their 30s, has been playing on and off since 1990 and there are more adult female gamers over the age of 18 then there are teenage male gamers 17 or younger. (Source:http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp). The idea of Gamers being mostly male has been becoming less and less true as years have passed, but I don't really think t

Lastly, I don't believe I have ever heard of an anti-femenist reason given for Madison Paige and I've never even heard of a pro or anti complaint for the other 3 and due to the fact that I got work in about 45 minutes, I can't really spend a lot of time researching it. So for the sake of arguments, I'm just gonna focus on Madison from Heavy Rain.

Now, from what I'm beginning to see here from the few sources that have come up, the majority of the complaints against Madison are not about the character. Rather, they are for the scenarios she is forced into, namely sexual assault, at least 2 of these cases if I remember correctly, 3 if you count the DLC and a possible 4th if you wish to count her dream sequence where she is attacked while wearing nothing but a tank top and panties. I would not call the whole "Almost every action sequence she is in is used to show off her body or to place her in a scenario where she could be sexually assaulted" as an "asinine reason."
(Source:http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1691 and http://honestcake.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/assault-is-not-sexy-zoo-today/)

One HUGE problem with using a statistic that relates to TODAY compared to demographic of the PAST and the relation towards the creation of the majority of video game characters she is going to "source" to support her "facts" which are nothing more than opinions.

Okay it is a really awesome fact that we have more or less a balance between males and females playing video games. A good deal of that comes from simple attrition(as a media matures more people will adopt) and that games have gone from much like film to being a niche hobby to a now mass consumed product. But that doesn't solve this problem.

What good is it to using characters like Mai, Peach, Chun-li, and every sexy character you can think of back in the 80's and 90's and use them in a video when the demographic of the consumers were radically different? I really doubt the person who is getting all this funding is actually going to be able to find DOCUMENTED research of "gamers" who actually played video games back in the 80's and 90's. That is a critical blow to her kickstarter project that is more or less a bait and switch. She will most likely use video game characters that are more or less irrelevant to the demographics of today compared to the actual female characters that are being used today in the present.

Statistics are great...when you keep them in relation to the time and the culture.

Another problem with her video is her obvious bias and what is more or less her "selling/branding" point to those who invest in her. Being a "feminist" is her meal ticket. She is paid to basically be the "feminist". Everything she does has to be about "feminism" and while I will admit that I haven't watched anything past her advertisement for her kickstarter project (Yes, that is an advertisement) I feel I have a good chance that she really doesn't act balanced and more often than not tries to make every video about how women aren't the center of the world and what with wrong with movies, products, toys and other pop-culture that doesn't directly address women on how SHE wants women to be addressed. It's a character to her. It's the same reason why the Escapist for example has Jim Sterling and his god ego complex, TotalBiscuit as the cynical brit and many more youtube celebrities. You are watching characters and some are more deceptive than others especially when it comes to wanting your hard earned money. You also see it in politics, you get Michelle Malkin to be a raging female conservative complaining any chance she gets and on the other coin you get liberals like(You know I can't think of some ultra liberal that basically gets paid to be ultra liberal but I know they are out there). They aren't really being paid for their "hard work" but more for their bias and what boils down to being a character cause it attracts the viewers and fanatics.

Also note that EVERY video was going to be a negative video and she gave NO plan on what kinda of content she would be going after(designers, producers, directors) until she got paid 15k and then she said as a bonus for positive female roles. There wasn't even going to be a balance but now we get one video and then she goes back to being negative. Even that is also going to be biased on the other extreme that doesn't actually do anyone supporting the series any good.

Everything about her project has innate flaws and the only reason people will be supporting her now is cause of her playing the victim which is basically people pitying her when nothing of harm has actually happened to her and people looking at the onset instead of actually doing due diligence and seeing her previous work to see if she actually does offer anything substantial.

In either case I know this to be the outcome.

1. Investors are going to be "pleased" and promote her videos even more regardless of the effort put in.
2. No actual journalism will be put in to investigate if she is actually using said funds properly.
3. She doesn't instruct any actual change to the video game "community" or "culture".

If she puts a video on youtube on a subject as frowned upon by it's community and 4chan i'm not surprised thats the answers she is gonna get.

Ultimately only the developers and publishers can change those tropes, but they will always pander to what brings them the most profit which happens to be grizzled bald space marines and skimpy clothed women with big tits.

If you don't like it you have little other possibilities than spending your money only on games which don't use those tropes.

LiquidGrape:
You've been raped?
Tough luck, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt.

Someone threatened you with sexual violence?
Hey, it's just smack talk.

That guy wouldn't stop hitting on you even though you told him to stop?
Boys will be boys!

Mmm. Because all of those are so very common. Hell, I can think of at least... no one I've heard say that. P-lease. You want to cherry-pick a tiny fraction of attitudes and sterotype an entire culture? Alright, but don't get all bent out of shape should someone quote a few random extremists within the feminist movement and call the entire movement absurd. I can give you a few from some delightful individuals that describe any act of a man penetrating a woman to be rape. if you'd like.

But please, continue to throw around hot phrases and gross conjecture. It'll make it easier for the actual sexists to do the same in return.

LiquidGrape:

On a related note, ironically enough, modern feminism believes that men are more than capable of transcending these institutionalised roles to which they are expected to adhere. Feminism actually acknowledges the agency of men, and their status as equals.
And yet feminism is accused of misandry.

But have you SEEN how many people actually abuse feminism to support their sexist agenda?

Hell for example my brother who was living in his college apartments with two women and everyone gets along fine. A third woman moves in and suddenly my brother is out of the blue by the third woman accused of "sexual harassment" to which the reason why the third woman moved into that apartment(one of the women was an RA) was cause she wanted his room cause it was the bigger room.

I can get into more detail but note the core problem, you had a woman who was abusing her equal rights in an overall feminist culture to destroy my brother's good name and have his entire education record end in "is a sexual harasser". Do you honestly think that is right?

What about that college football player that we all just found out that he served FIVE years in jail all cause the woman LIED!? Lied under oath and it took someone doing an undercover video to discover the truth.

There are too many people who openly abuse feminism for their own personal gain and that is more certain what this kickstarter project/youtuber is doing. She is profiting under the guise of feminism while all she is doing is subjecting her opinion as fact instead of actually doing hard research all over subjects of pop-culture that she will be complaining about the video game industry of 2011 using characters, games, genres, and narratives of 1980's and 1990's. I doubt she won't even mention for one second how ancient in terms of how the damsel in distress in terms of age in relation to grim fairy tales and even older texts where you have both male and female characters as the damsel. We will get nothing but Zelda and Peach and have her complain about how she specifically wants women to be addressed instead of the actual narrative to tell the story and how much of a difference a gamer gets when playing through a narrative needing to be told from generation to generation instead of just reading or listening to the story from Ben Stein.

Clearing the Eye:

LiquidGrape:
You've been raped?
Tough luck, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt.

Someone threatened you with sexual violence?
Hey, it's just smack talk.

That guy wouldn't stop hitting on you even though you told him to stop?
Boys will be boys!

Mmm. Because all of those are so very common. Hell, I can think of at least... no one I've heard say that. P-lease. You want to cherry-pick a tiny fraction of attitudes and sterotype an entire culture? Alright, but don't get all bent out of shape should someone quote a few random extremists within the feminist movement and call the entire movement absurd. I can give you a few from some delightful individuals that describe any act of a man penetrating a woman to be rape. if you'd like.

But please, continue to throw around hot phrases and gross conjecture. It'll make it easier for the actual sexists to do the same in return.

I've seen a lot of the disgusting and vile stuff spewed at female players in online games described as 'just smack talk' by male players, and that the recipients should 'toughen up'.

While I could stand up for this project, the problem is her environment and look does not feel "in need." I see a lot of really really expensive things in this video and I'm wondering if this is just a rich spoiled person in search for a problem. We have in the first few seconds 3 brand new systems in near mint condition with extra controllers and expensive base charging systems. Nothing looks used, did she spend another several hundred on games too?

Why does she need our money?

Edit, did you see her setup in her studio? Those cameras, screens, lighting, and sound recording studio isn't cheap. She could have spent all that money on doing the video series instead of begging people for more.

Windknight:

I've seen a lot of the disgusting and vile stuff spewed at female players in online games described as 'just smack talk' by male players, and that the recipients should 'toughen up'.

And I as a male get told to "Kill myself" on a daily basis when I play online games. You know what I did? I toughed up and knew that any of the shit people say to me online doesn't mean jack and shit. This comes from all sources and not just "xbla 14 year olds". I'm told to kill myself by women, men, children, blacks, asians and I could pretty much make a nice colorful rainbow where they can all stand united with a nice little sign that says "Kill yourself".

Am I going to listen to that or take any of their abuse? No.

What people should be MORE concerned about is when it is said in person and when they can actually do something about it physically and verbally right then and there. That is where the real feminists actually show up from all the pretenders. It is all too easy to be online and on youtube and spout your opinions and then play the victim when people "harass" you. Even then anyone should understand the risks of putting themselves out in the public eye as part of the give and take.

Know that she wants to make money it's the reason she has her youtube channel in the first place and why she is making a tropes video which groups like Rocketboom have done for years. So in exchange revealing who she is and the risk that people are going to know her name and other personal information comes with the territory.

Windknight:

Clearing the Eye:

LiquidGrape:
You've been raped?
Tough luck, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt.

Someone threatened you with sexual violence?
Hey, it's just smack talk.

That guy wouldn't stop hitting on you even though you told him to stop?
Boys will be boys!

Mmm. Because all of those are so very common. Hell, I can think of at least... no one I've heard say that. P-lease. You want to cherry-pick a tiny fraction of attitudes and sterotype an entire culture? Alright, but don't get all bent out of shape should someone quote a few random extremists within the feminist movement and call the entire movement absurd. I can give you a few from some delightful individuals that describe any act of a man penetrating a woman to be rape. if you'd like.

But please, continue to throw around hot phrases and gross conjecture. It'll make it easier for the actual sexists to do the same in return.

I've seen a lot of the disgusting and vile stuff spewed at female players in online games described as 'just smack talk' by male players, and that the recipients should 'toughen up'.

That's right. Toughen up. What, are women wilting flowers that need to be protected and spoken to in gentle voices? How sexist of you. Men treat men like crap all the time online and we as a community say "Yup, people suck." Then move on from it. But oh lord, should someone say something rude to a woman, how horrible! I've been called everything from a faggot to a nigger, I've had people describe the sex acts they wish to commit upon/with my mother and have been harassed with no end when I casually flirted with my boyfriend in a game of TF2. Know what I did? Muted them. Or should I have cried about it and made a thread about how horrible men are to me?

Women aren't babies, they're just as strong as any man and they don't need you protecting them. People are dicks online and we all need to ignore them.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

newdarkcloud:

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Its the normal ammount of shit, bile, vitriol, and other fluids as usual, except she stopped filtering comments. This is mostly just youtube commenters being themselves & even then i think i will go find the outside game forums that are hating on the kickstarter project & see how they hate on it.

You know, sometimes I forget the sheer amount of horrible, horrible people on YouTube comments. Even still, it doesn't make it any less of a problem. This kind of crap still needs to be corrected. I, for one, appreciate that stuff like this is getting more awareness than it used to.

Stuff like this? You mean the ass end of any progressive goal? If you could call this progressive. See, ms. Sarkeesian is the feminist equivalent of an MRA member. (mens rights advocate) being that all she does is bitch about a problem/perceived problem. Any proposed action ultimately results in more bitching with no actual outcome other than being back to square one. Her series is just a circle jerk of how bad some writing is & the kickstarter is just a continuation of the same thing she has been doing. She has about 27k subscribers and the activity of that number is debatable. I doubt she would have met her goal had she not stopped censoring youtube hate. My point is that her kickstarter is no different from her regular series, her series itself is just mental masturbation for the sake of people that share her viewpoint, and serves no purpose at all.

Remember, she is the very person people think of when they think of the angry feminist. That one that complains about every small thing being a slight against man- i mean womankind. She is the very face(in its most harmless form) of feminism as known by republicans and MRAs.

As for the quality of her videos, they are a poor documentary. Heavily biased, it bringing no talking points past 'x is bad because it portrays women as y'. The whole point is a mental circle jerk over how the media is unfair to them, and in traditional circle jerk fashion proposes no answers past 'this needs to change'. Go find ANY MRA activist on youtube & see that all they do is bitch about problems in the world/thinks they THINK are problems in the world, tie it to feminism, then proceed to mentally jack off to the camera.

Neither holds ANY value whatsoever.

I was talking about the hate, not the videos. Personally, I agree with you. A lot of the things she says do come across as trying to hard to prove a point. Even knowing this, there's no reason to rage so much against her.

On the other hand, people have been ignoring the vast quantities of hate and bile on the internet for far too long. THAT needs to be addressed. The videos are completely irrelevant. The bile needs to end, or at least be mitigated. Telling her to get back into the kitchen is needlessly adding fuel to the fire.

EDIT: Quoted when I wanted to edit.

EDIT: Mistake on edit post.

maddawg IAJI:
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There is nothing to be gained by either of us by continuing, so I'm walking away from this. Thought I'd let you know instead of leaving you hanging.

Well, what's there to say? People are sick and tired of extremist feminists making up myths about oppression and conspiracies against women, just to prevent having to acknowledge the unspeakable, namely that women themselves make their role, accept their role themselves, and actively work to reinforce that 'role' constantly.

Or in short: doing whatever the radical feminists are angry about, to themselves.

LiquidGrape:
On a related note, ironically enough, modern feminism believes that men are more than capable of transcending these institutionalised roles to which they are expected to adhere. Feminism actually acknowledges the agency of men, and their status as equals.
And yet feminism is accused of misandry.

Which is extremely, shockingly dumb a point of view because the enemy is not 'the men', but religion. It's religion which preaches taboo on all sex and the blame of any sexual transgression with women. It's also religion which teaches women are inferior, so probably not as entitled to the integrity of their body as men.

Quite frankly, merely speaking of feminist theories of 'rape culture' is deeply offensive and rude. You're insulting half the human population, while ignoring the real problem. I myself have uncovered sexual abuse on two occasions (yay for growing up in retarded Christian villages) and the shit that has cost me over the course of years... It cost so very much, money, time, emotionally... And in comes some twat who claims that I'm part of a 'rape culture' because of my gender.

Let me be short about that: Anyone who believes in 'rape culture' theories lacks any form of decency, and should be ignored.

Less rant'ish: I've always wondered what it is why feminists twist and bend themselves into such corners to find a culprit while they don't dare to attack religion at all, while it's no doubt their main enemy.

newdarkcloud:

I was talking about the hate, not the videos. Personally, I agree with you. A lot of the things she says do come across as trying to hard to prove a point. Even knowing this, there's no reason to rage so much against her. Telling her to get back into the kitchen is needlessly adding fuel to the fire.

I think there is quite a legitimate reason to "rage" at her. She is more or less abusing a demographic and her character to basically con people out of their money to which she has not actually proven that the content is actually going to be any different or superior to her previous videos.

She is also going to be taking characters from the 1980's and apply the cultural and demographics of video gamers of 2011 to make a false comparison. You won't see her finding any actual demographics of people who were "gamers" back in the 1980's cause there wasn't any cause that's just how new the video game industry is.

You also won't see her actually going over why characters like Zelda and Peach exist as damsels in distress in their relation to previous texts like the Grim Fairy Tales and the importance of their narrative on how tales should be eternally retold or contrast the difference of what it feels like actually playing a tale instead of reading or told the tale back in the 1800's and not everyone was literate.

She doesn't have a clue on what she has gotten herself into but instead saw that she could easily cash in with the standard internet rage and play the victim(kinda ironic a person playing a character of a "feminist" is playing a victim) as journalists and opinion based internet stars related towards the video game industry are not backing her getting her more money instead of actually doing the due diligence to see her content and actually demand transparency.

You know, I'd be interested in watching the videos, just not willing to pay to fund them. It's a problem the industry will eventually grow out of, and hopefully the userbase too.

At the very least, these people have given her an overflow of evidence she can use to prove sexist attitudes still exist in the gaming community.

Considering this is a gaming site that focuses on gaming culture I'd say this article needs to be here. Most kinds of legitimate media revisit already existing issues because they're still relevant in the present day. Why accept and put up with the disgusting comments of rednecks/brats/idiots/etc when we smack them with a good backhand of disapproval, disassociating ourselves from them and discouraging the attitude at the same time. It's an embarrassing part of gaming culture that shouldn't be part of the norm.

Seriously, it's the internet, if you want different news you deem worthy google it. :/

Bile aside, while I'd be very keen on watching the videos I'm not entirely sure what she needs the funds for. I suppose if it's going to be a comprehensive and time-consuming series then I'd understand (Especially if it took away her capacity to support herself via a more profitable job) but I'm still curious. I suppose I won't care what the money was for if she delivers us something good which, knowing the issue she's tackling, shouldn't be too hard.

Before I forget, screw anti-male sexism. It exists, I'm male, it annoys me. If I really want to talk about it I'll make my own thread or start my own discussion. It's a stupid disclaimer that people shouldn't have to make. A discussion about the terrible attitudes taken toward women in gaming would be less focused if the person behind the discussion had to keep going on tangents to put disclaimers on obvious things like that. Not mentioning it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means that in the broad spectrum of issues in gaming culture, it's not the one they're focusing on. (Overall though I'd argue females have it much worse)

Danzavare:
At the very least, these people have given her an overflow of evidence she can use to prove sexist attitudes still exist in the gaming community.

Yep.
Sadly this proves to reinforce more stereotypes about certain types of dudes in our community than any of her videos ever could. People had a chance to let other people express opinions which they may not agree with but no- not in our community.
(As for people who say this is `just youtube`- bull-fucking-shit. If you* honestly cannot see that our community has women problems, then your head is so far up your arse you will never see daylight).

*Objective you, not personal `you`.

It's also funny to see so many people gloss over the reaction and just go `oh well she shouldnt make those videos`.
Piss off. There are videos out there of guys nailing their dicks to bits of wood. People can make videos of what they want- dont like it? Don't watch it.

Blablahb:
acknowledge the unspeakable, namely that women themselves

'rape culture'...insulting half the human population,

feminists...don't dare to attack religion at all, while it's no doubt their main enemy.

I get the impression that you're less responding to feminism as it is actually practiced by actual human beings and more that you're responding to whatever Rush Limbaugh or the local equivalent wants you to see feminism as. Because these are some pretty monumental mistakes.

Jiggy:
Games in that vein and most of them, yes.

Games in the vein of Farmville? So, in other words, Diablo and F2P MMOs? (Naw man this game is totally hardcore look it even has teh devul on the box!)

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Yeah, the "documentary" (it's not really going to be one) is fucking stupid.

"HEY GUYS LOOK THERES STEREOTYPES IN MEDIA LETS FOCUS ON THE ONES ABOUT WOMEN GIMME MONEY PLS AHUEHUEHUEHUE"

No. Fuck off. Take your bullshit elsewhere, until you learn how to make an actual documentary. Thank you.

As for the people commenting, well, it happens. I don't see why the Escapist is running an article on it - white knight syndrome, perhaps.

It's not nice, but it's hardly an uncommon thing, and I don't see why this one should stick out from the millions of videos on Youtube that got the user insults and threats.

Also, one more thing - can you guys please stop talking about gamers as though they are some collective? "Omg dis totally shows this and that about us gamers" - no. There is no "us" or "we". This is a bunch of stupid cunts who have to much time on their hands writing stupid shit on the internet. I have nothing to do with them. I am not one of them just because I play games, and neither is anyone else.

It's like saying the reputation of vegetarians and pet owners was massively harmed by Hitler. (There, Godwinned this bitch. Let's let it die now.)

Yeah.........I don't have a thing at all to add to this. I'm just quoting you in the hopes that other people will see what a post made out of common sense looks like.

I really would like to know what all this "community" bollox is about though. I mean since when has a bunch of youtube idiots equated to every single person who plays video games?

Clearing the Eye:

Helmholtz Watson:

JerrytheBullfrog:
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The article was crap, apparently rape culture doesn't have to have rape involved? Then it isn't rape culture!

It's about the sexualisation of women and the objectification of the female body, reducing them to a form and series of holes to stick parts into. By reducing women to items and sex objects, you take way their humanity and create a culture wherein the actual needs of female partners are ignored. Basically: men fuck women because it feels good and don't care about the girl, her feelings or if she enjoys it.

Which is all bullshit. But that's what they are trying to tell us.

Funny you say that...

Tenmar:

newdarkcloud:

I was talking about the hate, not the videos. Personally, I agree with you. A lot of the things she says do come across as trying to hard to prove a point. Even knowing this, there's no reason to rage so much against her. Telling her to get back into the kitchen is needlessly adding fuel to the fire.

I think there is quite a legitimate reason to "rage" at her. She is more or less abusing a demographic and her character to basically con people out of their money to which she has not actually proven that the content is actually going to be any different or superior to her previous videos.

That's not an excuse to "rage" at someone. If you disagree with someone's Kickstarter, the most reasonable response to it is not to get enraged and spew that kind of hate over it. These comments weren't well-thought-out counter-arguments to her claims that women aren't represented fairly in video games. They weren't just comments of the tune "Well I don't agree, so I'm not going to spend my money on this." These were people who didn't respect her right to have an opinion (regardless of whether it's right or wrong), and felt the need to knock her down for having a different one because of it.

Not to mention, a lot of Kickstarters are as vague as hers, or don't prove that what they'll do is actually better than anything else they've done or that others have done; I'd bet you not half of them got this kind of hate for it.

Kahunaburger:

Jiggy:
Games in that vein and most of them, yes.

Games in the vein of Farmville? So, in other words, Diablo and F2P MMOs? (Naw man this game is totally hardcore look it even has teh devul on the box!)

You really think that pretending that by Farmville I mean Games like Diablo is going to help your case? No, I'm talking about them making up the majority of the (to use the esa pdf) 42% playing Puzzle, Board Game, Game Show, Trivia and Card Games online. That kind of thing, not that you didn't already know that.

minuialear:

Clearing the Eye:

Helmholtz Watson:
The article was crap, apparently rape culture doesn't have to have rape involved? Then it isn't rape culture!

It's about the sexualisation of women and the objectification of the female body, reducing them to a form and series of holes to stick parts into. By reducing women to items and sex objects, you take way their humanity and create a culture wherein the actual needs of female partners are ignored. Basically: men fuck women because it feels good and don't care about the girl, her feelings or if she enjoys it.

Which is all bullshit. But that's what they are trying to tell us.

Funny you say that...

Oh, god! One study shows that women wearing bikinis turn men on and draws their mind to their barely concealed sex organs! That proves it. Rape culture.

I think, rather than engaging in this thread any further, I'm just going to sit back and play this: http://geekfeminism.org/2011/11/03/quick-hit-sexism-in-games-bingo/

It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn depressing.

Jiggy:

Kahunaburger:

Jiggy:
Games in that vein and most of them, yes.

Games in the vein of Farmville? So, in other words, Diablo and F2P MMOs? (Naw man this game is totally hardcore look it even has teh devul on the box!)

You really think that pretending that by Farmville I mean Games like Diablo is going to help your case? No, I'm talking about them making up the majority of the (to use the esa pdf) 42% playing Puzzle, Board Game, Game Show, Trivia and Card Games online. That kind of thing, not that you didn't already know that.

But most puzzle/board/card games aren't games like Farmville, because they aren't skinner boxes. More to the point, I'm not sure why, if you had to group the games Civ 4, Risk, Farmville, and Diablo 3, you'd group them (Diablo 3 Civ 4/Risk, Farmville) and not (Diablo 3, Farmville/Risk, Civ 4).

Clearing the Eye:

minuialear:

Clearing the Eye:
It's about the sexualisation of women and the objectification of the female body, reducing them to a form and series of holes to stick parts into. By reducing women to items and sex objects, you take way their humanity and create a culture wherein the actual needs of female partners are ignored. Basically: men fuck women because it feels good and don't care about the girl, her feelings or if she enjoys it.

Which is all bullshit. But that's what they are trying to tell us.

Funny you say that...

Oh, god! One study shows that women wearing bikinis turn men on and draws their mind to their barely concealed sex organs! That proves it. Rape culture.

It proves it's not complete BS. When men (as a general demographic; obviously doesn't apply to all) sexualize women, they start thinking of them less like people and more like "a series of holes to stick parts into" (or to do other acts upon). As this is supported by the science thus far, it's not too much of a stretch to consider that sexualizing women in general leads to women being viewed as objects, in general.

Do you actually have an argument against that concept, or are you just going to keep up the weak, snide remarks?

AmrasCalmacil:
Oh "gaming community".

You're just upset because no-one touches your penis, aren't you?

This is the best response to this article that could possibly be written. Nothing more needs to be said.

I do admit that games haven't been the best source for good female main characters, but then again I would say games aren't doing that much worse compared to movies.

Yes, women are portrayed as unrealistic, but so are the men, and if the game industry is able to create female protagonists such as the one in the upcoming Beyond: Two Souls I do think the issue is smaller than some would believe.

Then again the responses to this project clearly proves that some people are screwed up and that they represent the worst of society when it comes to gender discrimination.

Kahunaburger:

Jiggy:

Kahunaburger:

Games in the vein of Farmville? So, in other words, Diablo and F2P MMOs? (Naw man this game is totally hardcore look it even has teh devul on the box!)

You really think that pretending that by Farmville I mean Games like Diablo is going to help your case? No, I'm talking about them making up the majority of the (to use the esa pdf) 42% playing Puzzle, Board Game, Game Show, Trivia and Card Games online. That kind of thing, not that you didn't already know that.

But most puzzle/board/card games aren't games like Farmville, because they aren't skinner boxes. More to the point, I'm not sure why, if you had to group the games Civ 4, Risk, Farmville, and Diablo 3, you'd group them (Diablo 3 Civ 4/Risk, Farmville) and not (Diablo 3, Farmville/Risk, Civ 4).

So, now you are pretending the criteria is skinner box? Yeah, whatever dude.

I didn't want to read through the whole thread, how many pages did this thread last before someone brought up "but EVOLUTION" for why men are naturally the superior sex?

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