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JerrytheBullfrog:

bringer of illumination:

"OH NO! PEOPLE ARE BEING MEAN AND WACIST ON THE INTERWEBS!!!" You might as well link to any given thread on fucking 4chan and call that "Journalism".

I frankly can't fucking believe that this article was approved.

I dunno, I think a huge, ORGANIZED backlash that includes mass reporting of her videos to YouTube as hate speech and defamation of her Wikipedia page is actually pretty newsworthy.

Actually no, no it fucking isn't.

This sort of shit happens ALL the god damn time, and it isn't reported on because it isn't fucking news. Do you have any idea how easy these things are to organize? (And the degree of "organisation" in this particular case is debatable.

This article is OBVIOUS as veiled advertisement for the kickstarter in question, the writer want to plug this horseshit, and the easiest way was to write about the backlash.

It's a load of shit and whoever approved it should be ashamed of them selves.

What the hell is "rape culture" anyway?

minuialear:

Smilomaniac:
It's when your girlfriend nags you when you're taking a break while playing games, fixing your car/motorcycle, doing your hobby and not letting you have that moment of pause, because it's not as important as whatever she wants. Please try to understand that these women not only exist, but are common.

Where did I say they don't exist, again?

The problem is that in your last post, you said:

Smilomaniac:
The other ting is that any man who's had a girlfriend or wife, knows the feeling of them encroaching on your territory, your place of silence and focus. When girls like Anita make an accusing video like that, men take it personally, because it's another one of those annoying cries for attention(Not saying it is, I'm saying it LOOKS like it).

First of all, "enroaching on...territory" means taking territory that doesn't belong to you; in the context you described it (i.e., you're participating in some kind of hobby/activity, and suddenly your significant other enroaches on your territory), it doesn't mean "I'm playing games and she makes me play with the dog/read her a book." It means "I'm playing video games and she learns how to play them too, which isn't cool because it's 'my thing'," or
"I'm playing video games and she forces me to play with her/forces me to let her have video game time as well." So my confusion seemed to be over your poor choice of words. I'll take that comment back.

But more importantly is that bolded part, which essentially says "All women who have been in relationships with men are guilty of this." Which is patently false, as would the claim that all guys even need time for "silence and focus." Don't project your needs and what you haven't been getting in your relationships on everyone else, because some of us are doing just fine.

Ah, a simple misunderstanding then; English isn't my first language.
I thought encroach meant something like invade or butt into, not necessarily take over. Here's what I don't get, seeing as I explained what I meant in the other post, you should know what I mean and not bother to ask.

My projecting?
Let me guess, you're not even ten, no make that five years into your current relationship. Am I right?
If you are; then look at my previous post.

There doesn't exist a single relationship in the world, I will bet my life and every friend and family member I have on this, where something hasn't annoyed one of the two people, about the other. It's there. In every relationship. The question is how big an issue it is, and often you'll be blind to it because you're willing to see past flaws when you're in love.
And it goes both ways. Perfect relationships are just not possible, because we're all just wired that way. If you haven't realized this yet, then you might as well start accepting it and seeing past it, before it gets to you.

Every. Relationship. Call me negative, call me a misanthrope, it doesn't matter; It's how it is.

minuialear:

Your blatant attempt at white-knighting is an obvious indication of your inexperience in relationships.

You're going to have to explain to me where you're getting this "white-knighting" claim from before I address the rest of this half of your response.

Do me a favor, don't bother replying.
I really don't feel a need for your responses, you seem intent on pushing the point aside for the sake of arguing. If you don't want to understand what I said, then that's your issue, not mine. If you doubt my experience, that's also your issue, not mine, but you should try to keep an open mind.

That's why you're being:
A) A white knight, unable to fathom that a woman can be as big a douchebag as a man
B) A troll, completely uninterested in my opinion and just arguing for the sake of it.

I thought white knight would be more appropriate, since you seem a bit naive.

bringer of illumination:

JerrytheBullfrog:

bringer of illumination:

"OH NO! PEOPLE ARE BEING MEAN AND WACIST ON THE INTERWEBS!!!" You might as well link to any given thread on fucking 4chan and call that "Journalism".

I frankly can't fucking believe that this article was approved.

I dunno, I think a huge, ORGANIZED backlash that includes mass reporting of her videos to YouTube as hate speech and defamation of her Wikipedia page is actually pretty newsworthy.

Actually no, no it fucking isn't.

This sort of shit happens ALL the god damn time, and it isn't reported on because it isn't fucking news. Do you have any idea how easy these things are to organize? (And the degree of "organisation" in this particular case is debatable.

This article is OBVIOUS as veiled advertisement for the kickstarter in question, the writer want to plug this horseshit, and the easiest way was to write about the backlash.

It's a load of shit and whoever approved it should be ashamed of them selves.

This man sums it up. You expected anything more from the youtube comments section? How old are we? How long have we been on the internet? Seriously you think you people would be desensitized to all this bullshit already.

Can we stop having a 24 page long war of the sexes already? You think we get enough of that in the off-topic section already. We aren't solving anything, its just a name-calling fight at this point.

Can't we all just fucking get along?

Kahunaburger:
Most of the ones that are controversial outside of feminism are also controversial inside feminism. The fact that you think that list somehow represents feminism as a whole is pretty emblematic of the sort of errors and oversimplifications people make when they respond to feminism as the right-wing wants them to see it, as opposed to feminism as it actually exists.

So when are we going to start seeing a wave of sane rational feminists who point at the correct targets instead of lashing out randomly at people who have nothing to do with it?

Because I do even keep up with a fair bit of gender role research as part of my studies, but you keep just running into the error of assuming a role being assigned instead of chosen, and making wild assumptions

Unless you know something better? Maybe you know any feminist research without invalid baseless assumptions about gender roles, that actually establishes correct causality and doesn't make the error of blaming choices on structures, which may even be entirely fictional.

bat32391:
What the hell is "rape culture" anyway?

It's difficult to explain. This post seems to explain it well and tries to apply it to gaming culture. An explanation they quote in their post is

Rape culture is a set of values and beliefs that provide an environment conducive to rape... The term applies to a generic culture surrounding and promoting rape, not the specific setting in which rape is likely to occur.

I haven't finished reading that post yet, but it seems good. And from the Evil LIEberal Encyclopedia of LIES (Wikipedia, I'm kidding about the evil part)

Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone sexual violence.

And to show how feminism is not some monolithic block, bell hooks is a feminist who argues that (once again quoting Wikipedia) the concept of rape culture "ignores rape's place in an overarching "culture of violence".

My (mediocre) attempt to explain it is that a rape culture is a culture with a system of beliefs and acts which allow and perpetuate rape, abuse, and the objectification of women. (It also, perhaps to a lesser extent, perpetuates the rape and abuse of men.)

Eamar:

Father Time:

Eamar:

The end result is equality, how is that hard to understand? Feminism focuses on women, but it works to dispel conventions and stereotypes that harm both genders. It can't be compared to an organisation like that since there is no official feminist society or anything.

There are stereotypes that only hurt men and issues that only negatively effect men, if feminism never gets to them you can't say they're trying to vanquish sexism.

There are stereotypes that only hurt Asian people and issues that only negatively effect Asian people, the Civil Rights campaigners never got round to them so you can't say they were trying to vanquish racism.

Feminism focuses on women. Good feminists also care about men's problems, these problems are just not necessarily labelled as "feminist", because they're not about women. Once again, why is it so unacceptable to focus on one group? Why does focusing on women mean that feminists can't care about men?

Most of what they did afaik was either repeal black specific racist laws or make anti-racist laws that were race neutral. Oh and boycotts. Seemed pretty even to me. There is nothing wrong with only focusing on women, unless you make sexist laws. However you can not get rid of sexism by only focusing on one sex.

socialistmath:

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Oh please smart assed person on the internet,

Pardon me if I treat anti-feminists with the utter contempt and disdain they deserve.

Her degrees are in communication studies & political thought. Not feminist theory.

It's almost as though... those things are related? Huh. And you don't need to know every single detail of modern feminist theory to understand how to critique things from a feminist point of view. Just as you don't need a Ph.D in Pure Mathematics to teach someone calculus.

While she may have taken a class i doubt she is right about the patriarchy.

Oh just come out and say it: You doubt she's right because she's a woman.

And she doesn't aim to improve anything, only to complain about whats wrong & say it needs to change. She is making no moves ti improve, only to draw sight to the negatives.

For anything to change, it's first important for people to realize and accept that things need to change. What her video series will accomplish is to convince people that there is a problem with how women are portrayed in video games, just as there are problems in how they are portrayed in other forms of media. The more people realize and understand this, the more can be done.

Such enlightenment. Truly a paragon of equal thinking that you think all men portray gaming horribly.

See, here's a problem. When people talk about how some (in this case, many) men do something, many guys immediately cry "but you're being sexist because you said all guys do this and bluh bluh bluh". If you're a guy and you aren't a sexist shit when you game? Great job, have a cookie and take a seat. This isn't about you. Yes, I'm sorry to say sir Good Male, but sometimes it's not about you.

Edit:

Aisaku:
How the do we even know the attacks are real? For all we know the same group could be staging this to get more people to fork over cash to their kickstarter.

Uhmm, because this isn't new? This always happens when a woman dares to open her mouth on the Internet and say something that isn't completely overflowing with praise for men. Take a look at Fat Ugly or Slutty. Or just watch the general chat on nearly any MMO when a woman or girl dares to make her gender known. Women always face this kind of hate on the Internet.

I am sorry but you must be trying to troll me. I guess i will carry on.

While related they aren't the same thing. For all we know she learned fuck all about feminist theory and all about manipulation.

Shes not right because she is wrong. her gender means nothing, which is why i equate sarkeesians behavior to any mens right advocate on youtube. Let me post again the similarities between sarkeesian and an MRA.
1. Bitch about problem or perceived problem-check
2. proposes no fix for the issue or at least not oen that is possible by any reality-check
3. is doing nothing to educate outsiders & subsists coley on preaching to the choir- check
4. twisted view on reality based on their own prejudices- big ole check

I am not anti feminist. If i were i would be in the MRA. I am against feminism as sarkeesian knows it, because its one of those things i like to call 'not feminism' being the feminism knockoff that thinks everything is out to get women & men are orchestrating the idea. As i said before that's not feminism. Its wrongly called that(i think you may be one of the people that thinks it is) but its not feminism. Its crackpot conspiracy theories with a twist. What her videos will do is the exact same thing as she did with her youtube series(note ITS THE SAME THING) and that's nothing. Its not meant to educate anyone because this is a known subject that's been covered before. Its been covered before & better, people know that the 'stereotypes' of women are stupid. So sarkeesian got 73k to do a youtube opinion series. Holy shit thats new.

So i am a sexist asshole, so are all men, but now we aren't because i called you on that, so this not about us because you started trying to make it about us and failed. What? no really, what? Sleep off that dope you must be smokin. But really how do you know this is many? Youtube is a large website with a larger stretch of commenters. So its many men? Its not just a small number of youtubers? By small i mean small as in relation to the size of the possible base. It is still only some of the population.

socialistmath:

bat32391:
What the hell is "rape culture" anyway?

It's difficult to explain. This post seems to explain it well and tries to apply it to gaming culture. An explanation they quote in their post is

Rape culture is a set of values and beliefs that provide an environment conducive to rape... The term applies to a generic culture surrounding and promoting rape, not the specific setting in which rape is likely to occur.

I haven't finished reading that post yet, but it seems good. And from the Evil LIEberal Encyclopedia of LIES (Wikipedia, I'm kidding about the evil part)

Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone sexual violence.

And to show how feminism is not some monolithic block, bell hooks is a feminist who argues that (once again quoting Wikipedia) the concept of rape culture "ignores rape's place in an overarching "culture of violence".

My (mediocre) attempt to explain it is that a rape culture is a culture with a system of beliefs and acts which allow and perpetuate rape, abuse, and the objectification of women. (It also, perhaps to a lesser extent, perpetuates the rape and abuse of men.)

Thanks I was wondering was the hell it mean't.

Blablahb:

Kahunaburger:
Most of the ones that are controversial outside of feminism are also controversial inside feminism. The fact that you think that list somehow represents feminism as a whole is pretty emblematic of the sort of errors and oversimplifications people make when they respond to feminism as the right-wing wants them to see it, as opposed to feminism as it actually exists.

So when are we going to start seeing a wave of sane rational feminists who point at the correct targets instead of lashing out randomly at people who have nothing to do with it?

You just described everyone I know personally who could be described as "feminist," and probably everyone you know personally who could be described as "feminist." If, on the other hand, you look on the internet for crazies, you'll find crazies. It's silly to pretend, however, that the crazies you find on the internet when you specifically look for crazies (or that you know about because, originally, a right-winger somewhere wanted a convenient strawman) somehow represent everyone who falls under a very broad umbrella term.

You know I was pretty interested in this, she made a convincing argument and sounded like she could back it up, so I click a related link down the right hand side with another of her videos:

And I am disappoint

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face. Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.

they're just trolling idiot

Fucking Hell.

I know this place is sickeningly feminist, and by that slant I mean more concerned with looking like it cares about womens rights than it is about actual gender equality.

But I think that article could have been a tad less biased.

.......... You're reporting on youtube comments, saying they're being sexist, for fucks sakes............ That's like going to a KKK rally and going 'tad racist init?'.

People post on youtube to have fun at other peoples expense or talk about how sticky their pants just became because [insert awesome graphics here] in a trailer. HOW IS THIS NEWS?

Also you really picked the wrong comment to showcase your point. Because let's be honest. As far as sexist youtube ramblings go.

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy.

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

Is pretty good.

Grow some levity detectors.

Abandon4093:

I know this place is sickeningly feminist,

Wait, there's an Escapist where every forum isn't clogged with people who got lost on the way to r/mensrights? Could you please direct me to this magical place?

So after watching the video I concluded that this woman is either so overly self important that she seriously expects someone to support her glorified youtube blog, half of which she copypasted straight off TVtropes anyway with actual money, or a new breed of scam artist feeding off of the people who feel the need to apologize for other people's misogynism, just like the scum behind Project Ark.

Either way, this woman is a vile, poisonous creature and should be removed from the gaming community like a cancer.

Kahunaburger:

Abandon4093:

I know this place is sickeningly feminist,

Wait, there's an Escapist where every forum isn't clogged with people who got lost on the way to r/mensrights? Could you please direct me to this magical place?

I'd say the ratio of misandrist to misogynist is fairly out of whack in favour of the buns truth be told.

Especially considering I was talking about the staff, not the rubes.

Lonely Swordsman:
So after watching the video I concluded that this woman is either so overly self important that she seriously expects someone to support her glorified youtube blog,

Um, she's received over $100,000 on Kickstarter...

half of which she copypasted straight off TVtropes anyway

Tropes have existed before TVTropes, and most (edit: turns out a few do. whatever) of her videos rely on the stupid shit you'll find on TVTropes.

The article left out my favorite part of this whole miasma: The fact that it wasn't even confined to the cesspool that is YouTube.

This isn't just some random assholes being assholes. This is an intimidation campaign.

Sampler:
You know I was pretty interested in this, she made a convincing argument and sounded like she could back it up, so I click a related link down the right hand side with another of her videos:

And I am disappoint

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face. Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.

I just want to link this to the Escapist Community on what Moviebob thinks of the same movie Suckerpunch compared to this youtuber everyone is so keen on defending since her previous works are finally being linked to which are so one sided that she has probably been doing this for so long she just doesn't care cause it's how she makes her money.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/2962-Sucker-Punch

Now honestly, would you trust her review or Moviebob's? Yeah she can have her opinion but tell me if you can't see the obvious bias on how this youtuber can't simply get over her own personal ego and pseudo-feminism compared to actually reviewing the movie.

Sampler:

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face.

The best response to this post would be Kate Beaton's wonderful Strong Female Characters comic.

Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.

South Park. Intelligent. lol

Sampler:
You know I was pretty interested in this, she made a convincing argument and sounded like she could back it up, so I click a related link down the right hand side with another of her videos:

And I am disappoint

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face. Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.

Sucker Punch was a terrible movie on several layers, but I think it's pretty indicative of what a nerdy guy might think female empowerment looks like. Gorgeous women destroying giant robots with katanas and jetpacks is not female empowerment. In fact it just sort of looked like a videogame from the 90s that everyone seems to have a problem with in terms of feminism. "Lollipop Chainsaw" is not the feminist ideal, it's an immature attempt to draw in both boys and goth girls in high school. In fact, Sucker Punch manages to be sexist to both women AND men.

Here's an idea: how about we just make games where a female is the hero and we don't make a big deal out of that fact? The kind of custom, sprawling RPGs seem to be the only games where this is the case, but that's also sort of the point of those kinds of RPGs. Even a future game, The Last of Us, seems to be another "Grizzled Misunderstood Older Man Takes a Cute and Naive/Innocent Younger Girl on an Adventure Because She Would Probably Die Otherwise".

I don't know what this documentary will be exactly, but it is a conversation that we as older gamers have to have. There was a time when much fewer girls played games and as such they portrayed women in the way a child/teenager might idealize them. But as more women and younger girls get into games and more older gamers grow up and have children and wives/husbands of their own, it's a conversation we have to have. Like I said, I don't know if this documentary will be insightful or whether it's worth investment of time or money, but just pretending like it's not an issue isn't very helpful either.

Tenmar:

Now honestly, would you trust her review or Moviebob's?

Feminist Frequency, in a heartbeat. FF actually has interesting content and Game Overthinker is practically TGWTG-level.

hentropy:

Sampler:
You know I was pretty interested in this, she made a convincing argument and sounded like she could back it up, so I click a related link down the right hand side with another of her videos:

And I am disappoint

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face. Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.

Sucker Punch was a terrible movie on several layers, but I think it's pretty indicative of what a nerdy guy might think female empowerment looks like. Gorgeous women destroying giant robots with katanas and jetpacks is not female empowerment. In fact it just sort of looked like a videogame from the 90s that everyone seems to have a problem with in terms of feminism. "Lollipop Chainsaw" is not the feminist ideal, it's an immature attempt to draw in both boys and goth girls in high school. In fact, Sucker Punch manages to be sexist to both women AND men.

Here's an idea: how about we just make games where a female is the hero and we don't make a big deal out of that fact? The kind of custom, sprawling RPGs seem to be the only games where this is the case, but that's also sort of the point of those kinds of RPGs. Even a future game, The Last of Us, seems to be another "Grizzled Misunderstood Older Man Takes a Cute and Naive/Innocent Younger Girl on an Adventure Because She Would Probably Die Otherwise".

I don't know what this documentary will be exactly, but it is a conversation that we as older gamers have to have. There was a time when much fewer girls played games and as such they portrayed women in the way a child/teenager might idealize them. But as more women and younger girls get into games and more older gamers grow up and have children and wives/husbands of their own, it's a conversation we have to have. Like I said, I don't know if this documentary will be insightful or whether it's worth investment of time or money, but just pretending like it's not an issue isn't very helpful either.

Her documentary is a discussion we had already. A discussion had dozens of times before, handled better, and with less baggage. The documentary will not be insightful, it will be a one sided restatement of facts already researched, and is by no means worth the tiny investment it would have failed to reach had it not gotten so much publicity, and by no means is it worth the cash it got. Now i have not paid the most attention to the last of us but i thought the girl was a minor. Also his daughter. Seems an odd take on sexualization.

Kahunaburger:

Tenmar:

Now honestly, would you trust her review or Moviebob's?

Feminist Frequency, in a heartbeat. FF actually has interesting content and Game Overthinker is practically TGWTG-level.

I have to ask, did you even watch both movie reviews? Tell me which one offered more nuance and which one actually talked more about the content of the movie and the director as specifically as possible?

Also who did you learn more about the director's portfolio from FF or Moviebob?

Watch em again and I await your answer from who you really learned more from and whose review was better.

Also, I note you didn't even take the time to actually explain why. Okay FF has "interesting content" in her movie review. Care to elaborate? Same with commenting on why Moviebob is on the same level as Doug Walker's character "That guy with the glasses" to which I think you have confused with Doug walker's other character who actually talks about nostalgic movies "The Nostalgia Critic".

So youtube comments and Lolipop Chainsaw are setting women's rights back. Right....

All I know is, people love feeling outraged, discriminated against, and they really love whining about it on the internet. They'll use any excuse to do it.

bat32391:
What the hell is "rape culture" anyway?

Google's your friend, but in short, rape culture is the theory that society desensitizes people towards the issue of rape. From the way people make rape jokes on stage, to the way people drop it in conversation ("I got ass raped in that last match"), to the way in which victims of rape will be blamed for dressing like they were "asking for it", the theory states that people have grown accustomed to treating rape as a banal, non-sensitive issue in day to day life.

I have my own doubts about the theory, but generally, I think society does have real problems in the way it approaches the subject of rape.

Kahunaburger:
You just described everyone I know personally who could be described as "feminist," and probably everyone you know personally who could be described as "feminist." If, on the other hand, you look on the internet for crazies, you'll find crazies. It's silly to pretend, however, that the crazies you find on the internet when you specifically look for crazies (or that you know about because, originally, a right-winger somewhere wanted a convenient strawman) somehow represent everyone who falls under a very broad umbrella term.

I also find little but crazies in magazines, lobby groups, news reports, studies...

So where's the non-crazy ones?

Tenmar:
on why Moviebob is on the same level as Doug Walker's character "That guy with the glasses" to which I think you have confused with Doug walker's other character who actually talks about nostalgic movies "The Nostalgia Critic".

No, I mean that Moviebob's show looks like it belongs on TGWTG. I click on a link to one of his vids, and see a bearded man having an argument with clipart about some sort of meta-plot I could care less about.

Tenmar:

Wait, you're linking this as an example of why I should not watch Feminist Frequency and instead watch Moviebob argue with clip art and wax nostalgic about Nintendo games?

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Her documentary is a discussion we had already. A discussion had dozens of times before, handled better, and with less baggage. The documentary will not be insightful, it will be a one sided restatement of facts already researched, and is by no means worth the tiny investment it would have failed to reach had it not gotten so much publicity, and by no means is it worth the cash it got. Now i have not paid the most attention to the last of us but i thought the girl was a minor. Also his daughter. Seems an odd take on sexualization.

Then point me towards those discussions that cover exactly the topic she wants to cover (aka Tropes) with the same tropes she wants to cover on the same level in video format.

You know while I'm at it why not take a look at one of her earlier works that isn't a parody and she is being quite serious with her video.

Note this was made in 2010. Watch the video and ask yourself, did you really have a problem with any of these games being created? Did you notice that she really isn't caring about the actual content and that one of the clips was a marketing for a game and not an actual game in itself(that would be the GTA anime parody)?

She is too caught up in her own bias to actually and only sees the forest and not the trees to fuel her outrage. No nuance of the actual games or care of the content in the games or mention of any of the actual indie explosion that existed during the year 2010.

Just look at the list and if you actually sat down and played these games consider the narrative and the mechanics used in each game and their relation towards men and women. If I was an outsider watching this video I would support her work but as a person who has been playing video games since I was a child back in the 1980's I cannot take her seriously as she doesn't present any actual sort of intellectual honesty in her production and only cares more about her righteous agenda and bias.

Blablahb:

Kahunaburger:
You just described everyone I know personally who could be described as "feminist," and probably everyone you know personally who could be described as "feminist." If, on the other hand, you look on the internet for crazies, you'll find crazies. It's silly to pretend, however, that the crazies you find on the internet when you specifically look for crazies (or that you know about because, originally, a right-winger somewhere wanted a convenient strawman) somehow represent everyone who falls under a very broad umbrella term.

I also find little but crazies in magazines, lobby groups, news reports, studies...

Oh, okay, so isolated examples that you explicitly look for or get linked to by someone likely trying to strawman. Gotcha.

Blablahb:
So where's the non-crazy ones?

Unless you're some kind of statistical anomaly or actively avoid all human contact, you know many feminists personally.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

hentropy:

Sampler:
You know I was pretty interested in this, she made a convincing argument and sounded like she could back it up, so I click a related link down the right hand side with another of her videos:

And I am disappoint

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face. Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.

Sucker Punch was a terrible movie on several layers, but I think it's pretty indicative of what a nerdy guy might think female empowerment looks like. Gorgeous women destroying giant robots with katanas and jetpacks is not female empowerment. In fact it just sort of looked like a videogame from the 90s that everyone seems to have a problem with in terms of feminism. "Lollipop Chainsaw" is not the feminist ideal, it's an immature attempt to draw in both boys and goth girls in high school. In fact, Sucker Punch manages to be sexist to both women AND men.

Here's an idea: how about we just make games where a female is the hero and we don't make a big deal out of that fact? The kind of custom, sprawling RPGs seem to be the only games where this is the case, but that's also sort of the point of those kinds of RPGs. Even a future game, The Last of Us, seems to be another "Grizzled Misunderstood Older Man Takes a Cute and Naive/Innocent Younger Girl on an Adventure Because She Would Probably Die Otherwise".

I don't know what this documentary will be exactly, but it is a conversation that we as older gamers have to have. There was a time when much fewer girls played games and as such they portrayed women in the way a child/teenager might idealize them. But as more women and younger girls get into games and more older gamers grow up and have children and wives/husbands of their own, it's a conversation we have to have. Like I said, I don't know if this documentary will be insightful or whether it's worth investment of time or money, but just pretending like it's not an issue isn't very helpful either.

Her documentary is a discussion we had already. A discussion had dozens of times before, handled better, and with less baggage. The documentary will not be insightful, it will be a one sided restatement of facts already researched, and is by no means worth the tiny investment it would have failed to reach had it not gotten so much publicity, and by no means is it worth the cash it got. Now i have not paid the most attention to the last of us but i thought the girl was a minor. Also his daughter. Seems an odd take on sexualization.

You may have had the conversation, but not everyone has, and those who have often don't really understand the scope of it. Video games are more than just toys for boys now. It's largely replacing movies and TV as young people's visual entertainment of choice. Games have had a huge effect on me and I imagine many people here, and this was largely before games had the same level of immersion and depth as they do today.

One of the realities is that a girl can't be cool unless she shops at Hot Topic and accepts the objectification and sexualization. Because that's what all the "kick ass" girls in the games act/dress like.

You take The Last of Us, Ellie is not his daughter but it's not an issue of sexualization, but rather negative role reinforcement. She's reportedly "wise beyond her years" but still has to rely entirely on an older "big brother" type to protect her in a big mean world. She's not the only one, of course. These kinds of stereotypes are plastered all over all kinds of media.

We should move beyond it the same way Hollywood moved beyond blackface and other racist stereotypes and depictions.

This story is not about the value of her documentary, we don't actually know how good or insightful it might be, but it's up the individual to decide whether or not to invest in that message. The issue at hand is not just this one isolated case of a disgusting organized attack on one person, but rather how we can all take steps to promote mature and meaningful messages when it comes to gender and sexuality in games instead of saying "well these guys making threats and such are obviously bad but that doesn't mean criticism of her is still valid..." because really, it's much bigger than just that.

Sylocat:
The article left out my favorite part of this whole miasma: The fact that it wasn't even confined to the cesspool that is YouTube.

This isn't just some random assholes being assholes. This is an intimidation campaign.

Which makes me seriously wonder: who stands to gain anything from intimidating a vlogger and content producer? Why all the rage?

I'll roleplay for a second, and assume I'm insecure in my role as a male individual and view any nonconformist attitude from the fairer sex as being an attack on my identity. Even if I did, and even if that video project made Sarkeesian out to be a "fucking ovendodger" in my view of things - I'd have, what, billions of more conformist females for me to continue entertaining Betty Crocker-type fantasies on?

If what I want out of life is a square jaw, a squarer haircut, a three-piece suit and a doting wife in a floral print dress waiting for me at home with a Martini and a prepared pipe so I can kick back and read the newspaper like the aloof fucker that I am, I'll get plenty more occasions to satisfy that wish.

So, again, why the rage? Isn't it a colossal waste of time for everyone involve, including those women-hating assholes?

Kahunaburger:

Wait, you're linking this as an example of why I should not watch Feminist Frequency and instead watch Moviebob argue with clip art and wax nostalgic about Nintendo games?

No, that comment was completely unrelated to Moviebob and FF but to demonstrate her bias through her earlier work and how she doesn't actually take the time to understand the plot, narrative, and characters and world in order for her to produce a video that "supports" her bias as male figures dominating the video game industry.

Heck in 2010 I spent more time without games like Mass Effect playing female characters. Wanna know the game I played the most in 2010?

Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale

I played a little girl running an item shop for over 100 hours and I loved every minute of it.

Yet here I watch a video that doesn't care about the story of Prince of Persia with the Prince and Elika and their reliance on each other to survive and the hard choices they make to try and save the world.

She actually uses DJ HERO to support her complaint where if I'm not mistake the game isn't even about gender but a simple game of SIMON SAYS.

That is the purpose of that post.

As for your comment, okay you show a bias against Moviebob and compare his quality of work to That guy with the Glasses. But you haven't really gone in depth as to why her review of Suckerpunch was superior to that of Moviebob in terms of content of the director, previous works of said director and the relation of similar movies produced in the relative same time period.

All I got from you so far is that FF review has "interesting content" without a why and that you state again that you don't care about the "meta-plot" or anything else he has to say. You aren't really helping your stance when you can't even give an in-depth answer or get past your bias by having your why be a simple attack on the work. Okay it's clip-art and how exactly is that a bad thing especially when shows like Extra Credits, Zero Punctuation, and a good deal of works from sites like Screwattack use the same format. What makes his use of clip-art different from theirs and why does that make his review the actual heart of the show worse? Cause take away all the graphics you still have the script and you still haven't given me specific examples as why FF's script of the review of Suckerpunch is more superior to that of the script of Moviebob.

socialistmath:
snippity snip

JerrytheBullfrog:

You. I like you. :)

Likewise. Welcome to the Escapist, friend :)

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