God of War Creator Says Next Gen Will Be the Last

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God of War Creator Says Next Gen Will Be the Last

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David Jaffe thinks streaming services will be the future.

Nintendo's next-gen Wii U system is on its way, and everybody knows Sony and Microsoft are working on their PS4 and Xbox 720, respectively. God of War and Twisted Metal creator David Jaffe thinks that these next consoles will have the longest cycle lifetime yet - and they will be the last.

"Look, consoles are going away. I think in 10 years - probably sooner, but 10 years is always the safe thing to say so you don't sound like an idiot - but here's what I'll say: I'll go on the record and say that the next generation of hardware will be the last consoles. And they should be," Jaffe told GI.biz.

The arrival of mobile gaming on iOS and Android combined with streaming services like Gaikai meant that Jaffe could only see the traditional console model in decline. "It doesn't mean you won't buy a piece of hardware from Sony, but you'll probably buy a television that streams the stuff," said Jaffe.

You'll still have Sony, loud and proud and strong making these great, big, epic games like God of War and Uncharted, and they'll be making great little games like Sound Shapes, but they'll become more like movie studios for video games. I'll be able to stream in the next Uncharted and Plants vs Zombies and you won't even think about it. It'll just be like I can watch a public access show on my TV or I can watch Avatar.

In the end, said Jaffe, the games would stick around, but it would all come down to new delivery mechanisms. Still, in speaking about his lack of enthusiasm for the Wii U, he admitted his track record for prediction wasn't perfect. "But I don't f***ing know - I mean I thought PSP was going to clobber the DS. I'm in the industry, I make a living in the industry, but I have no track record of guessing this shit."

Source: GI.biz

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I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more part of gaming being taken out of my control.

I think digital distribution and PC gaming will remain though - since streaming is just streaming games from a high end PC. Just the consoles will disappear, and hard copies of games. Whether that's good or not... *shrug*

I dont want to buy a Nintendo TV, a Microsoft TV and a Sony TV just to stream my games to depending on the exclusives I want to play!

So basically that thing Extra Credits was talking about sometime last year? I can agree with that.

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

It isn't going to happen.

I pretty much agree, I am against this whole trend for streaming because it gives me less control over my games and access to them. What's more as someone pointed out, it does mean you'll wind up having to have 3 TV packages instead of three consoles, probably costing more money, and taking up more space, in order to play all the games. This is a problem especially with all of these companies wanting their own exclusive services like Origin, the same thing is probably going to happen with the hardware.

I seem to remember people saying this console generation being the last. To be honest I sort of suspect consoles will be around until such a time as more consumer protection and control can be added to other technologies.

John Funk:
"But I don't f***ing know - I mean I thought PSP was going to clobber the DS. I'm in the industry, I make a living in the industry, but I have no track record of guessing this shit."

Most insightful thing anyone predicting the future has ever said.

I was going to rant.

Now I'm not. I'm just going to say this guy is always full of shit.

I find it much easier to sympathize with people who admit their own fallibility. I don't think streaming will completely replace gaming hardware that quickly, however. Partly because of the developing world progressively becoming a more and more important market, while still lacking the IT infrastructure for the kind of high-speed internet that's needed for viable live streaming of that kind. One of the last few Extra Credits episodes is about the problems of high-volume wireless data traffic, which would also need to be solved.

He does have a refreshingly direct manner of speech though, doesn't he?

Formica Archonis:

John Funk:
"But I don't f***ing know - I mean I thought PSP was going to clobber the DS. I'm in the industry, I make a living in the industry, but I have no track record of guessing this shit."

Most insightful thing anyone predicting the future has ever said.

That's what I was thinking. This is one of the reasons I like this guy. That, and some of the things he says are just epicly hilarious.

Heres the thing..hard copies will always be in demand...thing is what if a perosn who buys streaming exclive games has a crash and loses all his or her data...what if there is a hackvist attack...No I don't see consoles going away anytime soon. People used to say email and bloggers were going to be the death of the post office and newspapers.

I certainly hope that future won't come to pass in a hurry. I've got a DSL connection that is SUPPOSED to be very fast. But since I live in on the outskirts of a relatively small town the phone lines are easily over twenty, if not thirty years old and simply can't handle data transfers of that speed, so at best I get up to 500kb/s, if BitTorrent really cooperates I can get up to 1mb/s, streaming a next gen game to me is probably going to require more than that so.. that won't fly.

So until a day comes that Belgian phone operators get to updating phone lines across the entire nation, I don't really want to see physical consoles going anywhere. Not to mention that I have friends in the UK suffering from similar issues where due to having outdated phone lines they aren't getting the download speeds they're paying for.

Birdfalcon:
Heres the thing..hard copies will always be in demand...thing is what if a perosn who buys streaming exclive games has a crash and loses all his or her data...what if there is a hackvist attack...No I don't see consoles going away anytime soon. People used to say email and bloggers were going to be the death of the post office and newspapers.

When was the last time you bought a newspaper?

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

Since when have these feelings ever stopped publishers? They really don't care what you want.

Therumancer:
I pretty much agree, I am against this whole trend for streaming because it gives me less control over my games and access to them. What's more as someone pointed out, it does mean you'll wind up having to have 3 TV packages instead of three consoles, probably costing more money, and taking up more space, in order to play all the games. This is a problem especially with all of these companies wanting their own exclusive services like Origin, the same thing is probably going to happen with the hardware.

I seem to remember people saying this console generation being the last. To be honest I sort of suspect consoles will be around until such a time as more consumer protection and control can be added to other technologies.

Gaikai currently runs as a java appelet in any web browser. Onlive has a similar, multi-platform client that runs completely independent of their optional hardware.

You really don't think that in the next 10 years internet-enabled TVs will be able to play host to numerous publisher-developed software platforms? It seems to me a certain publisher/developer has already had a modest success with this model. It is totally in line with the publisher push to move away from software as a commodity, towards an entertainment service. And it sure as shit beats taking a financial beating on hardware development and manufacture like they have every generation.

A new generation is expected this time around. The current gen is gasping and wheezing to the finish line and neither Microsoft nor Sony are in a position to pursue streaming technology uniquely. Nintendo has entered their horse already so they're committed. But take note how these past few years everyone has been developing their online distribution channels and strengthening their offerings.

Don't expect more than a set-top box next-next gen from any of these guys. This, or some iteration of this, is the future of electronic entertainment - period. Handhelds, mobiles and other portable devices will be the only exception to this.

Having a Sony TV will probably provide some limited advantages for Sony's online offering but with the number of manufacturers out there they'll be extremely careful not to hobble themselves by making anything essential exclusive to their products. The service with the widest distribution will always lead in profits.

As with all things industry-related, we can only assume that if such a shift is going to happen its going to happen slowly, if at all, and only when internet providers can produce a network capable of handling the bandwith this would produce.

So, its safe to treat this guy like that mad hermit who lives in the park. At least until what he says comes to pass.

I think Gaffe is this generation's Romero.

Always full of shit and hasn't done anything good in ages.

draythefingerless:

Birdfalcon:
Heres the thing..hard copies will always be in demand...thing is what if a perosn who buys streaming exclive games has a crash and loses all his or her data...what if there is a hackvist attack...No I don't see consoles going away anytime soon. People used to say email and bloggers were going to be the death of the post office and newspapers.

When was the last time you bought a newspaper?

Snap!

Fuck hard copies. Proponents of physical media are very loud on the interwebs but I'm convinced I'm not in the minority as someone who abandoned the collection of those little round plastic discs with relief. The thing is, having physical copies doesn't protect you anymore from the online/ownership demands of publishers. Always online DRM anyone? Diablo 3 teething fiasco? Sure. But I don't see Blizzard actually apologizing for the requirement or it having had a truly negative impact on sales.

Capitano Segnaposto:

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

It isn't going to happen.

How's the sand down there? Coarse?

UnderGlass:

Capitano Segnaposto:

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

It isn't going to happen.

How's the sand down there? Coarse?

What the hell are you talking about?

I really only use steam for older titles i can't find in the store anymore or PSN for DLC and indie titles, I'm i'm going to shell out 60 bucks i want a physical copy, on a machine i know will be able to play it, i've had so many problems with my laptop for gaming, from freezing, to crashing, sound looping, overheating, poorly optimized, memory leakage, it's nice to have a system that i know works when i want it, and that booting up a game isn't going to make it slit it's wrists in anguish. Even minecraft is freezing on this old POS.

Jaffe is an idiot that likes to run his mouth and get his name in the press kind of like Romero or Jack Thompson. A lot of noise but no actual content. I see room in future generations for streaming content, digital distribution, and physical copies of games without excluding anything.

Anyone who thinks that streaming/cloud gaming is any good is a moron. They need to make internet connections faster and more readily available for people if they expect it to even remotely work. I live in a decent sized town, but internet connections aren't available to everyone even here, depending on where in town you live. I know people who still use Dial up because there's no cable/DSL service. On top of that, many countries STILL have extremely tiny bandwidth caps. You wont be able to play much while streaming if you're capped at 20 gigs a month. Hell, Netflix uses 1 gig per hour in HD.

All you need to do is try Onlive and live a decent distance from their servers, like Canada, to understand. Laggy, low res, unresponsive shit.

You're a game developer, Jaffe, not a sociologist, business analyst, or even hardware technologist. Stick to what you're good at, okay?

For instance, how, exactly were you thinking people would control their games?

Consoles may get smaller. Hell, they may even get down to the point where the controller is the console, it'll wirelessly connect to your TV without any sort of dongles, and you shove microSD cards into it. But unless we somehow manage to make internet latency magically disappear while shoving increasing amounts of bandwidth into every single consumer's home on earth, it simply won't become an all streaming world.

And even if we do Nintendo and Microsoft have a vested interest in being sure that the consumer's choice of games is not dictated by the TV they purchase. No way in hell they want to be paying Sony subscription fees for every "Streaming Xbox" user. So there'll always be a way to access games that doesn't require a streaming service.

He makes one of the biggest mistakes everyone makes in regards to this subject. There is no reason that consoles will disappear. Because smart device gaming is on the rise does not mean that consoles are not viable. The issue that I see is that there is next to no games made for the devoted gamer on those devices. And more would definitely be welcome. But that doesn't mean I want all of my games to be played on a small little screen or with a touch interface.

Also, does anyone listen to this guy? He is so pompous.

Edit: I think what he means is that he won't be making any console games on future consoles, which I'm fine with.

LOL, no really...this guy believes that? This is like making a statement "TV on the rise, means less people are going to go to a movie theatre" >_>

The thing is, those devices have a very tiny screen. We are less likely to be feel satisfied playing a few intense hours of gaming on such a small device. Also add in the lack of physical buttons, constant smearing of screen, and other issues many gamers can add in and your looking at the small devices being a supplement, not a replacement. I don't know about your guys, but I kinda like looking at a hard copy of a video game and enjoying that.

UnderGlass:

draythefingerless:

Birdfalcon:
Heres the thing..hard copies will always be in demand...thing is what if a perosn who buys streaming exclive games has a crash and loses all his or her data...what if there is a hackvist attack...No I don't see consoles going away anytime soon. People used to say email and bloggers were going to be the death of the post office and newspapers.

When was the last time you bought a newspaper?

Snap!

Fuck hard copies. Proponents of physical media are very loud on the interwebs but I'm convinced I'm not in the minority as someone who abandoned the collection of those little round plastic discs with relief. The thing is, having physical copies doesn't protect you anymore from the online/ownership demands of publishers. Always online DRM anyone? Diablo 3 teething fiasco? Sure. But I don't see Blizzard actually apologizing for the requirement or it having had a truly negative impact on sales.

Capitano Segnaposto:

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

It isn't going to happen.

How's the sand down there? Coarse?

There is always a market for hard copies. You need go no further than the brother industries of gaming. Movies and music. Both are vastly based on a form of distribution of their media that is not in their control, that is, online and rental. But there still exists a market for physical copies, because sometimes you jsut wnana own that shiny disc with the painted artwork, the bonus stuff, and the lyrics for the song on the back cover spreadsheet. My point was in that the fellow over there does not understand that killing an industry is just a way of saying they are no longer vital to the media. It doesnt mean they stopped existing or profiting, present and future.

If mobile devices somehow reach the point where they are much more powerful than the PS4 in 10-15 years, and you can use them to output full HD or higher resolutions on your TV, I could perhaps see them being the "next-next gen", but basically I can only see mobile devices becoming more like the consoles and adapting their functionality, rather than consoles abruptly disappearing. At the moment however, mobile gaming is a giant step backwards. Yes, you can make fun little games on those devices, and it's nice that they are portable, but people like to play AAA titles just as much, at home, on a 50 inch screen and with everything turned up to 11. That's not gonna go away in our lifetime I think. As for streaming games and all that shit, yeah, no, not gonna happen, unless in the next 10 years 80% of the world's population has access to fast stable internet, which is not possible since this would also require huge investments from governments in order to build the correct infrastructure, and the way global economy is going it's laughable to think that this is going to happen.

Wait, why are consoles disappearing? Actually, HOW? I mean, granted the guy said he has "no track record of guessing this shit." but he does occupy a pretty big role in a respectable company. He should at least have an idea.

Consoles won't go away, they'll just evolve. Streaming? Well they'll probly make a console for that, Microsoft at least. Sony make their own TVs so they could create the console directly implemented in it.

Oh, sure, it won't be a box near the TV. But guess what, if I can play various games on my TV, without any other external hardware, my TV's a console. Yes, a previously different technological object will receive an upgrade and will become a viable gaming console.

Kind of like... MOBILE GAMING! HOLY SHIT! CONSPIRACY!

FelixG:
I dont want to buy a Nintendo TV, a Microsoft TV and a Sony TV just to stream my games to depending on the exclusives I want to play!

It might be implemented the way that payTV is at the moment, where you basically buy a CI card from a provider, which then allows your receiver to decode the TV stream for those channel.
So you might buy any TV, and then a Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony access card.
There's still the problem of controllers, though, at least in case of the Wii or Kinect. The Wii might actually work, but as far as I understood it, the Kinect handles some fairly complex calculations which probably generate a vast amount of data. Even if in a few years everyone will have a Terabit glass-fibre connection in their home, I would expect manufacturers and providers to try to keep the lines free.

Then again, ten years is a long time when technology is concerned.

PS: although I usually do not care what Captcha I get (as long as I can read it), "good riddance" is weirdly appropriate...

I can't see this working in terms of streaming, I personally think it'll go digital distribution though, with a larger hard drive and an online game collection that you just buy online and download onto your console.. Seems much more logical since that system is already in place, each console has their own market place already.

Streaming, just won't work, not until we can get super duper fast wireless via satellite.

That, or PC will come out on top. People want to own their games. And they want to be able to mod their games as well. Fuck streaming.

I don't see how streaming will mean the death of consoles.

I'm not going back to gaming on PC. It takes up too much harddrive space, it costs too much to get a decent gaming rig which is basically redundant when I have a laptop anyway, and I will never ever game on a laptop. I don't like the controllers they offer for PCs, and all in all I like the experience of having a dedicated gaming platform attached to my tv.

As far as I understand it, a console is a piece of hardware devoted to the playing of videogames, kind of like how a DVD player is a piece of hardware dedicated to the playing of DVDs, and I don't see PCs ever taking that over in the way they've taken over DVDs. Maybe if they could do it in a way similar to DVDs, where you just put the disc in and play, but otherwise no.

Maybe they won't be consoles into which we put discs, but they'll still be consoles.

I'll be able to stream in the next Uncharted and Plants vs Zombies and you won't even think about it. It'll just be like I can watch a public access show on my TV or I can watch [I]Avatar.

Except it will either look like mincraft or the loading will be replaced with "buffering". Unlike TV Jaffe, games will take a lot of bandwidth which needs to be kept-up with the player's gaming pace.

Jaffe, either STFU and make a innovative game (like you are promising) or retire from gaming development and take Patcher's job.

I'm starting to believe he's just messing with us now. David Jaffe: Super Troll

DVS BSTrD:
I don't fucking WANT streaming! It's just more of gaming being taken out of my control and leaving me more vulnerable as a consumer.

That's a fair point to weigh, one I hadn't much considered. Mostly I just think of the recent Extra Credits episode about the bandwidth crunch, and I think "damn, streaming is probably going to get pretty expensive in the near future." It's just not that fun an idea. I'd rather have the damn thing on disc (or disc-analogue) or downloaded in its entirety, ready for use and access at will. Having to wait for buffering because in the next room my roommate is watching porn or My Little Pony on the same net connection just seems like it would piss me off more.

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