Microsoft Scouring All Traces of Xbox 720 Design Doc

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Microsoft Scouring All Traces of Xbox 720 Design Doc

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Microsoft would like everyone to just forget all about that Xbox 720 design document business.

The 52-page Xbox 720 design doc that bubbled to the surface of the internet a few days ago was greeted with great skepticism, and for good reason. It pretty much promised the world for 300 bucks, with eight CPU cores plus three more dedicated to backward-compatibility, 3D support, cloud gaming, a hi-res Kinect system capable of handing four players simultaneously and whole bunch of other stuff intended to make it a "true all-in-one home entertainment box" - not a bad deal for something that was conceived in 2010.

Microsoft hasn't commented on the document either way, but it has reacted in a fashion that could be seen as legitimizing the document: it's doing its very best to wash that plan right out of the internet. It was first pulled from Scribd at the request of law firm Covington & Burling LLP, but Ihned.cz has also received a takedown notice, as has Dropbox, which is now blocking its users from publicly sharing the doc.

It's an effort that's almost certainly doomed to futility, not only because what happens on the internet stays on the internet, but because anyone who actually cares about this sort of thing is already aware of all the salient points. Microsoft could be reacting this way as a matter of principle, I suppose, or maybe it thinks there's still a chance to keep the information from drifting past the eyeballs of its more casual fan base; or maybe it sees this as an opportunity to put the Streisand Effect to work for its own purposes.

Whatever the case, I wouldn't go nearly as far as sites like Metro, which extrapolated the takedown notices as an outright admission that the document is real. But why would Microsoft put so much effort into neuralyzing the entire internet if it's just a hoax? The plot, as they say, is thickening.

Source: VentureBeat

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For that price tag i would be one happy customer....so given it's microsoft it must be fake.

It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

Seems kind of silly and pointless of them to try to take down the document when hundreds of articles and thousands of web forum posts have already discussed every major point of the document in detail.

Damn. This is basically confirmation that the rumors were true.

If those specs are accurate I'd be happy to buy it day one!

Well, could be that its true, and they really dont want people to know about it.

OR it promises more then they can deliver, and therefor they take it down because they dont want people to be dissapointed when they announce the actual specs.

baarserik:
Well, could be that its true, and they really dont want people to know about it.

OR it promises more then they can deliver, and therefor they take it down because they dont want people to be dissapointed when they announce the actual specs.

I'm going to go ahead and vote for the latter.

Clearing the Eye:

baarserik:
Well, could be that its true, and they really dont want people to know about it.

OR it promises more then they can deliver, and therefor they take it down because they dont want people to be dissapointed when they announce the actual specs.

I'm going to go ahead and vote for the latter.

Me too. Since this all sounds too good to be true for the price, then they'd absolutely want to keep those specs from becoming the expectation.

baarserik:
Well, could be that its true, and they really dont want people to know about it.

OR it promises more then they can deliver, and therefor they take it down because they dont want people to be dissapointed when they announce the actual specs.

If it's the former, then fudge, that thing could potentially kick out Sony from any competition and put Nintendo at a huge disadvantage.

If it's the latter (Which is more realistic), then people are gonna have a huge backlash against Microsoft, and while they may or may not get kicked out of the Race, it'll give Sony and Nintendo a better chance of fighting them.

So what you're saying here is that Microsoft has never heard of the Streissand Effect and is being stupid?

Not really a surprise there.

It's over here for everyone to get: http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Components-SiteFiles/images-news-xbox720/xbox720doc.pdf

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It's much too elaborate and "in-depth" to be a hoax including some hardware details, product roadmap, lots of concept drawings and "Consumer Statements" with which they want to get people to buy it and it's been right on things that were announced this years E3.

There's also stuff like "\\ADISVR2\Shared\ADI_Projects\Microsoft\MS_10-01138_Windows_Phone_PPT_Support\ADI_Art\Working_Art\sky-openwheelracecar.jpg" on Page 13
or "C:\Users\nkachroo\Documents\Work\Project 10\Finished Frames for Monday\Finished Frames for Monday\Frame 01.jpg" on Pages 17 and beyond who is rumored to be "Naveen Kachroo," the former Zune Lead Program Manager at Microsoft.

It's MUCH too in detail and elaborate to be a "hoax", just look at it.
That said, it IS from 2010 and plans change, the price given is just $25 above the supposed manufactoring costs on Page 9 (and remember this isn't a "I'll buy my PC now" kind of cost but industry cost with millions of units shipped).

If it really -is- a fake, what reason would they have to not come right out and say it's a fake? Seriously, what exactly would they lose by doing that? If it is fake, and they're doing this stupid "Take it down everywhere and hope for the best" tactic they must be aware that they are only validating it in the eyes of everyone. Microsoft isn't made up of a bunch of chest slapping gorillas, they know stuff about the internet.

Maybe they're about to make their official announcement and they don't want any confusion between the leak and their new announcement?

The document is real as far as Microsoft did not deny when given the chance. It also old, as in 2 years, so a lot could have changed.

It's a controlled reaction test.

It's not a fake, nor is it "real" but it did come from MS.

It's the same school of thought that saw Apple "accidentally" lose an iphone in a bar before release.

Stuff like this simply does not happen by mistake.

You know, the law of Microsoft rumors is that they are always true. Of course, there must, at some point, somewhere, be the exception, right?

DVS BSTrD:
It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

I See What You Did There.

OT: You're right, Andy, it COULD be a legit document that they don't want consumers to see... OR they could just be trying to stop consumers to get their hopes up because the document is fake.

Seriously? Eight-core processor? Full backwards compatability? A working Kinect?

Give me a break. Next you're going to say it doesn't need to be plugged in because it's powered by Cold Fusion.

EDIT: I'm not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE (except for the working Kinect), but I AM saying that we're talking about a machine more powerful than my computer, which cost me about a thousand or so USD and is about 2 years old. Selling something like that for 300 USD is just madness. They're not just taking a loss, they're HOBBLING themselves.

Dexter111:
It's over here for everyone to get: http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Components-SiteFiles/images-news-xbox720/xbox720doc.pdf

I didn't care about it when it was leaked. Now that they don't want me to have it, I want a copy even if it's fake.

So thanks for the link.:)

I call the reverse Streisand Effect: They deny it to hype up publicity intentionally, and gauge market desire for a product still in design.

Anyone else think of the Pen with the red-light in MIB?

...

or was it just me

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DVS BSTrD:
It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

I don't see your angle on this one.

Tsaba:

DVS BSTrD:
It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

I don't see your angle on this one.

Then you must be quite obtuse.

uncanny474:
You're right, Andy, it COULD be a legit document that they don't want consumers to see... OR they could just be trying to stop consumers to get their hopes up because the document is fake.

Seriously? Eight-core processor? Full backwards compatability? A working Kinect?

Give me a break. Next you're going to say it doesn't need to be plugged in because it's powered by Cold Fusion.

EDIT: I'm not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE (except for the working Kinect), but I AM saying that we're talking about a machine more powerful than my computer, which cost me about a thousand or so USD and is about 2 years old. Selling something like that for 300 USD is just madness. They're not just taking a loss, they're HOBBLING themselves.

It's more than possible. Just because it's an eight-core processor doesn't mean their internal clock speeds are all astronomically powerful. If each core clocks in at 500 MHz then it's well within the realm of possible, but there's more benefit to having multiple clocks than a single powerful unit. (ie: one core for multitask, one for voice, one for kinect, one for backwards compat, one for video, etc)

Backwards compatibility is also INCRDIBLY easy. Don't think it's impossible thanks to Sony slapping an extra Emotion Engine chip into a PS3 then pulling it from later models and charging for digital DL of PS2 games (sneaky bastards) and leaving the public thinking "gee it must be hard to implement backwards compatibility." It's like saying it's impossible to play a game designed for Windows 98 on Windows 7, it's all 0s and 1s at the end of the day, as long as their BIOS works (like say, taking one of the 8 cores) it'll be fine.

DVS BSTrD:

Tsaba:

DVS BSTrD:
It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

I don't see your angle on this one.

Then you must be quite obtuse.

I would normally describe myself as Acute, but, for you I think I can make an exception.

it looks rather kickarse

DVS BSTrD:
It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

I'm jure Microsoft did a Double Take when they heard.

Deshin:

It's more than possible. Just because it's an eight-core processor doesn't mean their internal clock speeds are all astronomically powerful. If each core clocks in at 500 MHz then it's well within the realm of possible, but there's more benefit to having multiple clocks than a single powerful unit. (ie: one core for multitask, one for voice, one for kinect, one for backwards compat, one for video, etc)

Backwards compatibility is also INCRDIBLY easy. Don't think it's impossible thanks to Sony slapping an extra Emotion Engine chip into a PS3 then pulling it from later models and charging for digital DL of PS2 games (sneaky bastards) and leaving the public thinking "gee it must be hard to implement backwards compatibility." It's like saying it's impossible to play a game designed for Windows 98 on Windows 7, it's all 0s and 1s at the end of the day, as long as their BIOS works (like say, taking one of the 8 cores) it'll be fine.

I'm not saying an eight-core processor isn't easy to program. I'm not computer-savvy enough to know that. I'm saying that an eight-core processor, in itself, is stupidly expensive, no matter what it's clocked at.

And it depends on how obtuse the OS is. For instance, yes, I can play 98 games on Win7, but I have to reconfigure half my settings or implement a Virtual Box to do it. And forget about playing Win3.1 games, even WITH an emulator. I bought the GOG version of Wing Commander 1&2, and I STILL haven't figured out how to get the damn thing to run.

Knowing Microsoft, Xbox 180's OS is an absolute mess, and 360 isn't much better.

"I wouldn't go nearly as far as sites like Metro, which extrapolated the takedown notices as an outright admission that the document is real."

Well if you understood the DMCA you would know that the document is either real or Microsoft is issuing illegal take down notices.

Tsaba:

DVS BSTrD:

Tsaba:

I don't see your angle on this one.

Then you must be quite obtuse.

I would normally describe myself as Acute, but, for you I think I can make an exception.

How long are you two going to protract this discussion?

Tsaba:

DVS BSTrD:

Tsaba:

I don't see your angle on this one.

Then you must be quite obtuse.

I would normally describe myself as Acute, but, for you I think I can make an exception.

WHAT THE FU IS THE JOKE?! I AINT GOT A SINGLE ONE OF EM!

I really cant comprehend them D: Are they some sort of spin on the "lawyer thingy"? What with the "Degree" and all?

DVS BSTrD:
It certainly is a suspicious degree of damage control.

/sunglasses

YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!

Dr Jones:

Tsaba:

DVS BSTrD:
Then you must be quite obtuse.

I would normally describe myself as Acute, but, for you I think I can make an exception.

WHAT THE FU IS THE JOKE?! I AINT GOT A SINGLE ONE OF EM!

I really cant comprehend them D: Are they some sort of spin on the "lawyer thingy"? What with the "Degree" and all?

doubly posting.

the joke is that (i'm assuming here...) 360 is a degree, it's a full circle, the 720 is two full circles, acute and obtuse are also words relating to angles and degrees.

Seems like Microsoft is pulling the old "Nothing to see here.. move along".

Is it a coincidence that Fortaleza and Natal are both Brazilian cities and Microsoft code names?

Now that I have the document, I'm gonna print a hard copy. Then frame it for prosperity's sake. Fuck ups like this always make for great conversation pieces I find.

I assume they want it to be taken down because their candidate release console won't live up to that. So if this document is well known anything less then this when released will be met with "meh".

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