Mass Effect 3 Fans Will Find Closure June 26th

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XDravond:
Game is good but ending does not have the same high standard and this DLC will probably not solve that much except the lack of rage since about a month after launch... And I listened to their promo vid or what ever it might have been...
They might have listened to the players but I don't think they actually understood anything because they sounded like a bad politicians defending a stupid decision...

But really no one cares it was a magnificent series with a terrible choice of ending, and therefore many will forget most about ME.

Well Casey Hudson stated that he wants an ending that everyone will talk about, well he got his wish but in doing so tarnished Bioware's reputation.

Ecliptica Wolf:
To those who are so irked by the ending.

Poor you, the fictional world that you don't own didn't end in the way you wanted it to. Get a frickin life for Christ's sake.

I would like to see how it turns out but if it really pisses you off that much you need to get out more.

it has nothing to do with the way we want it to end. we are pissed off that our choices have been utterly ignored and that all 3 choices are the same. especially this fucking kid who talks utter bullshit and that shepard just buys his crap wihtout any choices of asking any questions or to tell him to fuck off.

Cool, I just started my second playthrough of ME3. I'm excited for this

So they aren't retconing the Normandy scene? Great!

I just want to know one thing (it has probably been said before but bear with me), will I still be able to see the original endings? I'm currently playing ME2 and I won't be able to beat ME3 in time before this new expansion comes out, so do I just hold off on downloading it or something? Can someone please help me on what to do?

Hold up
They are still going with the glowey kid supersedes the idea of what the reapers are with a crappy explanation in the last 20 minutes of the game.
If it actually does a little conclusion as to what happens to the rest of the crew, like tali gets a house on the planet, wrex becomes a father, garrus finds some supportive hips and there is a funeral for lizard man then it would be somewhat better.
Still I'm getting that mod that goes from that last scene with illusive man to reapers destroyed end and cutting out the cosmic kid altogether if i can and that's only if I get around to buying the game.

Max_imus:
My only question is: Will I have to grind multiplayer for assets to get the best ending again? I mean, not that the multiplayer is terrible, it's just so.... grindy. That and the idea that I won't be able to get the best ending a couple years down the road because no one's gonna play the multiplayer anymore makes me kinda angry already.

Too lazy to look for it, but there was a dev post saying that the DLC would include a patch that would make it so you wouldn't have to grind MP to get the "best" ending.....kinda like they were supposed to in the beginning

All they did was delay the inevitable because people wanted a change, they apparently aren't delivering that, so I imagine it's not going to satisfy anyone.

That said, I am increasingly unlikely to support the Mass Effect franchise in the future, and between what we've seen here and what happened with both TOR and DA2 my confidence in Bioware is greatly shaken, especially seeing as DA3 doesn't seem to be actually learning from the mistakes of DA2 and going back to the DA1 format.

We'll see what happens, but this was their big chance to win back my confidence, and by sticking to their guns here it doesn't seem likely to happen. Simply put the endings are garbage, and elaborating on garbage still makes it garbage. As I've said before, they aren't as bad as some other people have let on, but they still do not fit with the series, and it still comes down to a massive sacrifice of their integrity for franchise potential, followed by the crazy claim that sticking with these terribad endings is somehow retaining artistic integrity despite their own interviews and comments on the subject.

That said, time will tell, if this goes like I expect, perhaps there is enough energy left in the ME3 movement to go after Bioware/EA even harder. Truthfully I think winning here is good for the industry and gamers.

The only thing that would make it okay for me is if Liara has my baby. That's all I ever wanted from the ending - little blue children.

Spartan212:

Max_imus:
My only question is: Will I have to grind multiplayer for assets to get the best ending again? I mean, not that the multiplayer is terrible, it's just so.... grindy. That and the idea that I won't be able to get the best ending a couple years down the road because no one's gonna play the multiplayer anymore makes me kinda angry already.

Too lazy to look for it, but there was a dev post saying that the DLC would include a patch that would make it so you wouldn't have to grind MP to get the "best" ending.....kinda like they were supposed to in the beginning

Well, if that's true, I am quite releived. Thanks!

Captcha: Weylan(d) Yutani. Dang, it always gets it right, doesn't it?

Elamdri:

MortisLegio:

Elamdri:

But what about the ending of Mass Effect 2 where Shepard dies? He just falls from the Normandy and Joker ABANDONS him!?!?

*eye roll*

I don't think this can be interpreted as Joker "Abandoning" Shepard. There are far too many unknowns to be making conjectures like that.

Oh, you mean where Shepard TELLS Joker to run? I said the only person that could have Joker leave Shepard behind is Shepard. Also, I said I haven't made up my mind on it yet (because we don't know the entirety of the scene) but with what knowledge we have it isn't looking good.

No way man, Joker is so loyal to Shepard that he wouldn't even abandon Shepard for Shepard! Wait. Where were we going with this?

My point is that I think the community (As usually) is running around like a panicky, bunch of pillocks without stopping to even think. Let the damn DLC come out before starting the inevitable QQ at the very least.

My point is, Joker is loyal and if Hackett says "go to the rendezvous." Joker would attempt to rescue Shepard or at least object to leaving him/her behind (more than just a couple of lines of dialog) unless Shepard told him to leave.

I have said in every post that I'm holding off my final judgement until the DLC comes out, but as of what we know for the character of Joker it isn't looking good whether you liked the ending or not.

We'll 'find closure' on the 26th? Not if we're too busy playing Dawnguard, we won't.

Note to self: Don't be on the internet June 26th.

As much as I appreciate BioWare's attempt to right a wrong I don't think the EC will resolve all the issues that the endings created. I hate to render judgement against something I have yet to observe but this just seems like a band aid on a bullet wound.

In reality this Extended Cut DLC is just addressing the symptoms of a greater problem, the endings themselves. I think in order to completely correct the problem they would need to fundamentally change all the endings for a number of different reasons, (many people have discussed what is actually wrong with the endings and have done so to great lengths and produced very insightful work).

Being a HUGE fan of the Mass Effect franchise I thought that although ME3 was successful in certain areas it failed to live up to most of the hype, developers statements, PR bravado, and fan expectations among other things.

I have researched this topic extensively and the two biggest questions I asked myself is how did this happen and why? What led one of my favorite developers to produce such a (for lack of better words), piece of crap?

The answers?

Well the how is some what easy,

-Pressure to meet pre-established deadlines
-Pressure from EA
-Lack of resources (time, money, man-power, etc...)
-Poor planning
-Sloppy writing

Why?

-An incompetent Executive Producer and Lead Writer

To be quite honest upon further reflection I am astounded that this even happened in the first place. I always thought Mr. Hudson was a rather intelligent person. I very much enjoyed watching and listening to him speak. He is such an eloquent, thoughtful and insightful person among other things. Much to my surprise it was partially his input that caused ME3's fall from grace in my eyes.

No.

This video makes a pretty good case. What I wanted was not more of the shitty nonsensical and destructive ending that we got. I want actual endings. New endings.

For one I seem to specifically recall that one of the endings would be that the reapers would win. Where was that? We have an ending that presumably destroys everything in the galaxy, but that just means everybody loses. We don't have a 'reapers win - up to whatever races come next' ending. Not to mention things start getting stupid from the end dash onwards.

For one it's possible to put yourself into a position where Harbinger's 'beam' actually clips through the structure and hits you anyway. Even ignoring a direct hit from that thing should have just vaporised Shepard outright. Then everything else afterwards that has been discussed already.

The ending was terrible. I don't want them adding new shit that explains the previous shit. I want them to remove the shit and replace it with something respectable.

wooty:
I have to wait until July 4th? I have to wait until July 4th?!

Sometimes it pays off being Microsoft's whipping boy.

Thank you, my masters.

OT: Will definitely get this. I don't want this series to end :( Even though I'm trying to ignore that the endings happened

Harry Potter needs to get the fuck up outta my Mass Effect!

Spoiler Alert: It's going to be like this;

OT: Well... at least it's free.

War Penguin:
Yeah... it's still gonna suck. The only way out is the Indoctrination Theory and that's definitely not gonna happen, considering how so many fans decided to believe that and Bioware would want to do something original. That's what sort of happened to the original ending: Since it was leaked, Bioware wanted to surprise everyone and change the ending to those who read the leaks. That's how we got... that.

That being said... I don't really care anymore. I'm not so in to the Mass Effect series anymore, due to the whole debacle. My feelings could be summed up with, "Eh... What's the point?"

And then there is me, that guy who still hasn't gotten around to beating the first ME. Not that I'll be getting 3 until EA finishes feuding with Steam. I'm not buying a console just for one game and I'm not plugging into Origin.

OT: As an impartial observer I have a raised eyebrow. Pretty sure this is like returning to the wasp nest you threw rocks at earlier with a hockey stick and booze. You're not going to knock the angry wasps away in one blow, you're going to miss and get stung repeatedly...

"Mass Effect 3 Fans Will Find Closure June 26th"?

Well, I do admire the optimism...

Free? I honestly wasn't expecting that.

I mean, just about everyone has been bitching out anything BioWare/EA has done over this- or any other game for that matter, but I didn't expect the "okay, they're pissed off, just give it to them for free" response here. Still not as down on the ME3 ending as some people out there. Disappointed, but not terrible or worth formally accusing EA of false advertising. I would hope people would at least give them some props for the price of FREE on this and all the other DLC for ME3 so far.

Not that it has to change their opinion or that EA/BioWare break even in the "props" department- but at least a smidge out of the red.

When it's all said and done though, watch the comments, 4chan and r/gaming for the inevitable "rants" on how:

*this changes nothing
*EA sucks
*EA is raping my childhood
*EA SUCKS AMIRITE?!?
*I have unrealistic expectations for how a corporation can unfuck a PR nightmare
*games since 19XX suck
*Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali Tali
*______ is still a better ending than ME3, amiritE????
*hey guys look at this underrated gem (wildly popular game before 1998) I took a picture of on my shelf found at Goodwill.

To be honest I'm one of those people who didn't think all of Mass Effect 3 was awesome up until the ending.

With the exception of the Rannoch and Tuchanka missions I found the main quests to be rather dull and poorly designed shooting galleries.

Then sticking with quests, how about the tedium of the eaves-dropping sides quests and the poorly designed and vague journal that doesn't update your progress.

How about the face import bug that still doesn't work correctly after Bioware's 'fix'.

Not to mention the comedy animations, poor texture work, terrible lip-synch.

Then we have the promise that all content would be available through single player alone, and that multiplayer was just an alternative to getting there, something that proved to be a lie no matter how short that 'breath' scene may be.

Of course then I must mention the amount of dialogue on which the player gets no input and how many of them have been turned into passive "Zaeed and Kasumi" (in ME2) style conversations.

Despite all that though I could have forgiven it all if the ending had been spectacular. Even the nonsense logic of the Star-Child could have been ignored, I could have forgiven them not factoring in my choices through the trilogy.

But to tell me that the Red, Green or Blue choice is going to result in vastly different outcomes, only to then show me virtually identical ending cinematics was something I couldn't overcome.

At the very least I hope the Extended Cut makes that final choice truly reflect the colour you pick.

"expands on the meaning of the original endings" This is what has me worried. Does this mean that like with the Extended Cut DLC, we will be getting more of the ending we didn't want and then scenes to explain the things we didn't like with more things we don't like?

They really have to do something great with the current ending for it to make sense and be possible, I still refuse to believe that Joker would abandon Shepard like he would have had to have done for the ending to actually happen. Bioware screwed themselves over with this ending, and I can fully support the fans in their rage. Nothing you did in the game has any effect whatsoever and you get to chose the lightshow color at the end. The ending itself makes no sense, comes out of nowhere and is written on the level of a middle schooler writing fanfiction. It really comes down to the Indoctrination Theory being their only way out now.

I wouldn't have had half the problems with the ending if there were at the very least a final boss, and it could have easily been added into the final 10 minute portion easily.

I mean, in the first game you fight Sovereign through Saren's cybernetic corpse. In 3, why not have Harbinger "ASSUME CONTROL" of a cybernetically modified Illusive Man and have some arena-based battleground fight just like as was done with Kai Leng. All the while Shepard, Harbinger, and Illusive Man have a 3-way banter going on over who should be victorious, culminating in one final push from Shepard to gun down his ultimate nemesis, meanwhile in reality the Allied Forces see Harbinger's shield's go down just like what happened with Sovereign and then a montage scene of ALL the forces you gathered combining infantry, artillary, and air power to take down the galaxy's first reaper.

Shit would have been so goddamned cash and secured in every gamers mind that Bioware makes awesome stories in addition to games. Instead Casey Hudson wanted to be all Stanley Kubrick and deny us a worthy climax.

I swear to god it's like that Blink 182 song: "We started making out, and she took off my pants, and then I turn on the TV. And that's about the time she walked away from me..."

I really hope this DLC doesn't just widen the hole ME3's ending left inside.

The endings were a pile of crap. I don't care how much you explain to me, what an awsome pile of crap it was, what's it made of, the name of the dude how droped it, or where it went after i threw it out, it's still a pile of crap.

So whatever. Part of me hopes it really, REALLY blows and back lash is HUGE. Hurt there bottom line some more. Send a message that craping on there fan base has conquances. *shrug*

This whole thing continues to baffle me. Bioware should've just stuck by its team and the creative decisions it took, as opposed to giving in to the completely insane reaction by the gaming public. Whoever was disappointed by the first ending will surely be disappointed by this "extended version" as well, and all the developer will accomplish is to prove that they care more about consumer pressure than about artistic integrity.

Shame I sold my copy, you know because the game was a crashing dissapointment, guess I'll catch it on the youtubes someday.

AC Medina:
This whole thing continues to baffle me. Bioware should've just stuck by its team and the creative decisions it took, as opposed to giving in to the completely insane reaction by the gaming public. Whoever was disappointed by the first ending will surely be disappointed by this "extended version" as well, and all the developer will accomplish is to prove that they care more about consumer pressure than about artistic integrity.

Ah yes "artistic integrity" the thing that bioware apparently still has despite the day one dlc, shamelessly milking marketing, there being confirmed cut content, and horrible PR, and evidence that suggests that casey hudson released the ending eithout checking it sith the writing team, we have dismissed that claim.

On a side note, does that mean that the makers of Fallout 3 have no artistic integrity for making Broken Steel

I thought a rigid closure was what was causing so much pain in the community?

lol oh well I'm not harboring ill feelings towards BioWare or anything

They needed to retcon the thing
They haven't
End of story

putowtin:
...

Am I the only one who chuckled at the comment at the end of that video?

OT: I wonder what will happen with this ending extension thing...

erttheking:

AC Medina:
This whole thing continues to baffle me. Bioware should've just stuck by its team and the creative decisions it took, as opposed to giving in to the completely insane reaction by the gaming public. Whoever was disappointed by the first ending will surely be disappointed by this "extended version" as well, and all the developer will accomplish is to prove that they care more about consumer pressure than about artistic integrity.

Ah yes "artistic integrity" the thing that bioware apparently still has despite the day one dlc, shamelessly milking marketing, there being confirmed cut content, and horrible PR, and evidence that suggests that casey hudson released the ending eithout checking it sith the writing team, we have dismissed that claim.

On a side note, does that mean that the makers of Fallout 3 have no artistic integrity for making Broken Steel

All those things you mention are just issues (or, in several cases, outright problems) that are prevalent in the entire gaming business right now, but have little to do with storytelling. My point was that Bioware's response should've just been "This is the way we decided to end the Mass Effect story. While we understand that, to many, it was controversial and/or disappointing, we stand by our team and believe in what they put forth." You do that, you let the chips fall where they may, and you retain a little self-respect -- maybe even earn some respect from those of us who liked the ending.

The way they've gone about it, they just come off as little boys trying to impress some fickle teenage girl who can never really be pleased.

Great... now I have to avoid the internet from the 26th to the 4th. I mean for the vanilla ending I had to stop playing for a week as I had to go on a trip away from my computer so heard the internet whining about the ending before I got to it. Heck even the BBC had the moaning. even though most of the moaning didn't have spoilers I can say it did affect my perception of the ending.

The shitstorm that this was inevitably going to cause (and probably justifiably so) has already begun.

Think I might disconnect myself from the nerdiest parts of the internet and just play Dawnguard next week.

Oh the joys of multi-platform gaming.

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