Petition Demands Female Jarheads in Aliens: Colonial Marines

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Yikes. They take a film franchise with a colossally recognizable and popular female main character, and they remove female protagonists from the games?

Why is anyone in this thread claiming that Gearbox isn't sexist, again?

Windknight:

Ramzal:
I just find it hilarious how the majority of people were against what happens to Lara Croft in the new Tomb Raider game, but are good to go to throw women into a situation where they are killed, strapped to a wall, and face raped while being impregnated against their own will.

The screen writer had the intention to mess with men on the subject.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18932_alien-film-franchise-based-entirely-rape.html

Of all the double standards... this is the strangest one. XD

you are kind of missing the point. the alien franchise has always had strong female characters in them. And while the sexual violence aspect of the Xenomorph reproduction is undeniable, geuss what, its equal opportunities (most people I can remember being face huggered were male), and its not glorified, eroticised or gratuitous. Unless, you know, the idea of an alien spider thingy wrapped around your head gets you off

Given that this is the internet, and many people indulge themselves often in out of the normal fantasies in real or drawn pornographic sense, it wouldn't surprise that there are people who do. (I won't judge them, due to the fact that we all have -something- odd there.) But you bring up an interesting point. So are you stating, right now, that it is okay for rape to happen to a woman in a video game so long as it happens to a male in higher numbers?

And what do you mean by "not glorified." I am comparing this to the recent fallouts over the new Tomb Raider game, when surely her being molested is not glorified, but rather is an act of her being used. And yes, it's eroticism, due to the molester intending to violate her. However, wouldn't you say it's the same for the Aliens in the movies/games? The fact that it's a different species may draw a certain barrier however the intention is the same, using someone's body against their will for sake of an agenda.

Are you willing to say that this is fine in media only if it mainly happens to men? Or as long as men are on the receiving end of this?

itsthesheppy:

Eclectic Dreck:

itsthesheppy:
It's definitely a very odd omission. The female marines from Aliens were freaking badass.

Not really. One of them was a badass. The rest of the female characters in the first three movies were mere fodder. The other female in Alien spent most of her time panicking and ended up going down without a struggle. Deitrich was the first Marine known to have been grabbed in Aliens and worse, when she gets grabbed she sets another marine on fire which results in an explosion that kills a third marine. For those keeping track, that gives her a body count of two to the aliens zero at that point in the movie. Ferro may well have been a badass, but being strapped to a chair certainly reduced her ability to fight the single alien.

That leaves Vasquez who was certainly a badass but inadvertently got Drake killed. Of course, I'm not sure how the balance works with male characters when you consider Burke (he more or less got everyone else killed) and Gorman (he was incompetent and nearly got all the marines killed) or any of the male characters who tried to play hero and generally just ended up as fodder themselves. Hicks was the only male character that managed to be both badass and useful without having at least a few moments of utter uselessness.

So... is your point that none of the marines were badass? Because they pretty much all died. Even Apone went down screaming shrilly.

I stand by my assessment. Yeah Deitrich could have done better, but Ferro at least went for her gun and tried to fight, unlike her co-pilot who got smoked offscreen, and Vasquez who... come on. Boot to the head. She rocked.

My point was that Vasquez and Hicks where the only two legitimate badasses in the group and that Aliens historically does not have a lot of competent females in the cast.

The first three Alien movies have only a handful of notable female characters: Ripley (survivor first, badass in the end, Lambert (She spent most of the film cringing and went down without a fight), Dietrich (gets pounced on, directly kills Frost and indirectly kills a third marine (who's name escapes me)), Vasquez (Badass from start to finish), and Ferro (Unknown as she got killed while strapped to a chair - her failure to secure the dropship or listen to the concerns of her copilot don't bode well for her status though). Out of five females, you've got one verifiable badass and one eventual badass (but only in one case when her daughter analog was threatened).

By contrast, the male cast (minus the androids) gave us Dallas (Went into the ducts to flush out the alien - the closest thing to a heroic act in the film), Hicks (the quiet hero of the film), Gorman (eventual badass), Drake (intentional rearguard action - also one of the only marines to actually fire a weapon and hit/kill a xenomorph in the initial encounter), Hudson (eventual badass), and most of the prisoners on Fury 161 in the third act.

My point is, the Alien series has a strong female lead (in Aliens/Alien - Ripley is just a final girl in the first film) rather than a strong female cast. And, in the one film where we see colonial marines, one is a liability, one is unknown, and one is aggressive to a fault (she did get Drake killed after all). In other words, beyond the fact we can infer that there are female colonial marines, there is little reason to assume they ought to be present in the game.

That said, I don't oppose the idea of one being present. If you assume the ratio showed in Aliens is correct, then one in four marines would be female. Given the cast consists of four characters, it seems like it would fit.

TConti:
Talk about crappy reporting and stupid people in general. Go to the Aliens Colonial Marines website (http://www.sega.com/alienscolonialmarines/) and scroll down there will be a picture of 4 marines available for preorder one of them is distinctly FEMALE. This is not new, its been up for months now, instead of accusing a company of sexism do some research and find true answers.

Nicolaus99:

Went. Confirmed. From the official site, it certainly looks like there are playable female characters in the customization roster. Either the OP is sadly misinformed or the "Additional Marine Customization" picture is a lie.

this assumption is based on an interview

Destructoid - According to Gearbox Software, Aliens: Colonial Marines will not feature any playable female characters in the multiplayer, sticking instead to an all-male roster. So sayeth senior producer Brian Burleson in a live chat a short time back. This is not unusual for shooting games, but there's something wrong about it for an Aliens game.

http://www.destructoid.com/aliens-colonial-marines-and-upping-the-female-ante-230535.phtml
http://xbigygames.com/alien-colonial-marines-leaves-women-out-of-multiplayer-spurs-petition/

they then said that it was too late to include one in the game and they might put some playable females out for multiplayer.

talking about jumping to conclusions and bad inquiries....

thaluikhain:

As also mentioned above, who the hell thinks a petition is going to impress people?

well it certainly didnt impress them to put up a female character on their pre order page....

teebeeohh:

MetalMagpie:

teebeeohh:
aside form the fact that every game should have female avatars for MP...

Any particular reason why?

Any particular reason why not?

No particular reason why not. Just as there's no particular reason why all multiplayer games shouldn't include avatars for every major ethnic group, all readily recognisable "body types", someone with dwarfism, someone in a wheelchair, etc.

There are a lot of different avatar options that multiplayer games could offer. Why is gender the particular one that you think every multiplayer game should include? What's so important about having the choice of which gender your avatar is?

MetalMagpie:

teebeeohh:

MetalMagpie:

Any particular reason why?

Any particular reason why not?

No particular reason why not. Just as there's no particular reason why all multiplayer games shouldn't include avatars for every major ethnic group, all readily recognisable "body types", someone with dwarfism, someone in a wheelchair, etc.

There are a lot of different avatar options that multiplayer games could offer. Why is gender the particular one that you think every multiplayer game should include? What's so important about having the choice of which gender your avatar is?

because almost half the worlds is female.
that and the option to determine the color of your skin should do a good enough job of shaping your avatar into something that looks remotely like you since that kinda thing is important to a lot of people playing MP
unless of course your game is set in a historic setting that makes the presence of female character implausible.

oh and dawrfism and people in wheelchairs are really not fair since their head will not be at the expected height and thus will ruin my headshot/miss quota.

CardinalPiggles:

You know what, I don't think I would have enjoyed games like Tomb Raider or Portal if I could choose to play as a male equivalent, so I really don't get where you're coming from. Like, at all.

"uhhh....well I like apples, so I really don't get why you don't like apples" <-we all react to player charachters in different ways

I'm saying sometimes I really really really want to play as something different, and I really enjoy the chance to play as a female

when I get the chance..which isn't often

Eclectic Dreck:
Dallas (Went into the ducts to flush out the alien - the closest thing to a heroic act in the film)

Dallas panics and runs, which is what gets him killed. Had he stayed put in his cubby with the only directions to move being up or down the ladder the alien would have been toast when it came from him. Instead he scampers down the ladder putting him facing away from the alien when it reaches him.

...Um heres a thought, maybe it was a cost saving move? Instead of having to design shit for two different character models they only had to choose one?

Fucking aye, not everythings a battle ground for gender and race folks.... and if it was why the fuck would you start with Aliens? for fucks sake, bitch about there being no female marines in StarCraft II or the lack of a playable black albino male character in the new tomb raider.

LTK_70:
Signed. You see, unlike many other initiatives towards gender equality in video games, this is something that Gearbox can do right now to advance the medium. There's no downside to including female playable characters in the game. There's no downside to signing this petition. So why don't you go sign it as well?

Well, if one is going to be cynical about it, there is very much a possible downside. Considering the flood of QQing over Tropes Vs Women and everything involved with putting females in games, you know someone with a big mouth and a poor argument will probably end up making some noise. Make the females too feminine, and that lot starts wailing and gnashing teeth. Make them too masculine, and get complaints about that, instead. Leave them out entirely, get a wanking web petition.

Seriously? this is so stupid, what a waste of time. Lets hope this doesn't work because then more people will be encouraged to moan and complain when developers don't make games the way they wanted. Note I am not sexist or against women, I am against people whining to developers about how they have made their game. Just because you are a fan of something does not mean you are entitled to influence its creation, the people who make it are the ones who have the right to do that. So what if there aren't playable females? This doesn't make the developers sexist, in fact you have to be sexist to care about something so petty. I'm really sick of people pulling sexism, and racism for that matter, out of nothing. Sexist is a strong word, save it for real issues, the word has become devalued from overuse so much that it can now be used to describe someone who beats their wife and someone who holds a door open for a woman, one of these is a serious issue, the other is a completely insignificant example of courtesy. Grow up people.

Ramzal:

Are you willing to say that this is fine in media only if it mainly happens to men? Or as long as men are on the receiving end of this?

again, its equal opportunities, and it happens to both genders. We've seen chestbursters pop from men and women, and in all cases its played as horrific and not a moneyshot. And again, its implications of rape, not explicit. We are not dealing with leering guys on girls/guys, we're not dealing with an impregnation process done on stripped women so we can leer at them in a manner that directly correlates to sex(again, its specifically stated that the victim was chosen as male in the original to make guys in the audience uncomfortable, so none would have gone 'y'know, thats kinda hawt' if it happened to a female character). We're dealing with something alien using human hosts for a parasitic gestation, kind of like how some real world insects do so.

This is not rape to propel a story forward. This is note rape to titillate. This is not rape being used to define a character and 'make them strong'.

This is something alien using the human body in a manner that's scary, horrifying and taps into a lot of fears

We just need to sign it.
It wont get a female PC at this late stage but hopefully it will get them to know that this is something that people want when they make their next game.
Bonus points if this gets big enough that some other game devs catch wind and learn from it too.

Sylocat:
Yikes. They take a film franchise with a colossally recognizable and popular female main character, and they remove female protagonists from the games?

Why is anyone in this thread claiming that Gearbox isn't sexist, again?

Because the story is not the one from the films. Now, you may not know this, but the petition is to add female characters to multiplayer, singleplayer already has females in it. They may not be playable, but then again we're not playing the movie.
I think your post convinced me that the word "sexism" has lost all its value.

I hope Gearbox does add female characters to multiplayer, but I hope they add it in a patch instead of delaying the actual fucking game. Some people don't give a shit if the cannon fodder screams in a higher pitch than the rest when they get torn apart.

but if you want to add your voice to the choir of people who only need to know one thing

Is he taking a jab at people who sign internet petitions?

teebeeohh:

MetalMagpie:

teebeeohh:

Any particular reason why not?

No particular reason why not. Just as there's no particular reason why all multiplayer games shouldn't include avatars for every major ethnic group, all readily recognisable "body types", someone with dwarfism, someone in a wheelchair, etc.

There are a lot of different avatar options that multiplayer games could offer. Why is gender the particular one that you think every multiplayer game should include? What's so important about having the choice of which gender your avatar is?

because almost half the worlds is female.
that and the option to determine the color of your skin should do a good enough job of shaping your avatar into something that looks remotely like you since that kinda thing is important to a lot of people playing MP
unless of course your game is set in a historic setting that makes the presence of female character implausible.

oh and dawrfism and people in wheelchairs are really not fair since their head will not be at the expected height and thus will ruin my headshot/miss quota.

My question is why is making your avatar look like you important? I don't hear anyone complaining that they don't look like the characters in Team Fortress 2.

Besides the fact that just giving a character the same gender and skin colour is still such a hilariously long way from actually making it look like anyone in particular. Body shape is arguably far more visually striking than ethnicity (especially if you're very fat) and ethnicity affects far more than just skin colour anyway.

I realise there are games (especially RPGs) where part of the appeal comes from creating an idealised version of yourself to kill dragons, have sex with hot women, and all the others things you can't do in real life. But I think it's a bit strong to suggest that every game with multiplayer should offer this.

MetalMagpie:

teebeeohh:

MetalMagpie:

What's so important about having the choice of which gender your avatar is?

because almost half the worlds is female.
that and the option to determine the color of your skin should do a good enough job of shaping your avatar into something that looks remotely like you since that kinda thing is important to a lot of people playing MP
unless of course your game is set in a historic setting that makes the presence of female character implausible.

oh and dawrfism and people in wheelchairs are really not fair since their head will not be at the expected height and thus will ruin my headshot/miss quota.

My question is why is making your avatar look like you important? I don't hear anyone complaining that they don't look like the characters in Team Fortress 2.

Besides the fact that just giving a character the same gender and skin colour is still such a hilariously long way from actually making it look like anyone in particular. Body shape is arguably far more visually striking than ethnicity (especially if you're very fat) and ethnicity affects far more than just skin colour anyway.

I realise there are games (especially RPGs) where part of the appeal comes from creating an idealised version of yourself to kill dragons, have sex with hot women, and all the others things you can't do in real life. But I think it's a bit strong to suggest that every game with multiplayer should offer this.

your question was why including female models was so important.
personally i really don't care what my avatar looks like and if he looks like me but i know a lot of people who do, thus making female models important.
and tf2 is a bad example because it doesn't try to emulate reality but deliberately looks like something you will most likely never see in the real world. So the characters will never look like you and most people will be fine with that, especially since the character design in tf2 was done so all nine classes are easy to identify when you spot them. but if you throw in customization you do it to give people the option to make characters look like them (unless you can only repaint the power armor, that doesn't count) and in that case why would you exclude half the worlds population?

again: when i said every game should include female models i meant every game that lets you change the appearance of your avatar independent of it's abilities and is not set in a scenario where females would not be plausible (historic settings, all avatars you being robots, that kinda thing)

Well that seems weird considering the source material but really at this point in time will this achevie anything!

I'm not generally a fan of making demands of game developers (or of internet petitions, for that matter) but if the plan is to make customizable characters for online play, then why not include women too? It seems like kind of a no-brainer given the subject material, and it actually has me wondering if maybe there was a misunderstanding somewhere along the line. After all, if females were rocking smartguns and driving dropships 25 years ago, why would Gearbox exclude them now?

Recognizing these were probably intended as rhetorical questions, I still have to give a real answer: probably, cost.

We've come a long way since it was considered acceptable form to slap a blocky "female" skin on a low-poly male model and maybe have a random woman on the company's staff record a couple of grunts and screams. In some cases, it might require both new voice acting and new motion capture sessions with one or more new actresses. I would not be surprised to find that Gearbox simply decided it was a feature that wouldn't be missed, and not one worth the additional time, money, and energy versus the amount of players who would truly appreciate the feature. (As someone who's published a couple of small games, I have to confess there are few time sinks more irritating than the ones that you sense players will only notice in their absence!)

Now, this is not to say they were correct in their assessment. I tend to agree with "Melissa K." that female marines are worth including, as strong females have always been a significant part of the world as presented. I just want to be clear that I doubt it was merely an "oops, we forgot, too late now" kind of decision.

I can see her point, but anything that's going to delay the game further can fuck off as far as I'm concerned...

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