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Disagreement is fine - and healthy. Debate is designed to enlighten. But (1) be prepared to back up arguments with facts and logic, and (2) be willing to alter your opinion in the face of stronger, contrary evidence.

Personally, I think Sarkeesian is off-target (and did not donate to her project). I think there are much better investigations into the absolutely real problem of sexism in the games industry and gamer culture. But as others have said, there is an immeasurably large gap between disagreement and the vicious, hateful attacks Sarkeesian received on Kickstarter and Youtube.

Here's a much better analysis of sexism in gaming, for those willing to learn something: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/173227/Opinion_Video_games_and_Male_Gaze__are_we_men_or_boys.php

>people infringing her right to express her viewpoints
>detractors are actually denied to express themselves

Don't mind if I do, but since I megaloathe both parties fighting this war so I hope more fuel is thrown to the fire so I can cook some popcorns.

Oh, come on, the "gaming community" we are "part of" was always like this. Don't tell me we will suddenly start to look bad.

itsthesheppy:
To be fair, making videos about general tropes in pop culture is not exactly equal to an interactive game depicting and encouraging violence against a specific human being.

I have played games that allowed me to shoot Russians, Germans and "A-rabs", does Infinity Ward encourage people to commit hate crimes against those people?

John Funk:

Frankly, I don't find any merit in the "opposition," such as it is. That is, people are welcome to disagree with her, and the Destructoid article you linked is a perfect example of politely doing just that - it is a reasoned discussion, not an attack.

But the DDOS, threats, links with violence, porn drawings, Wiki vandalism, etc - those are not okay. And if anyone think of defending any of that, I think they need to seriously examine themselves because they are perpetuating a terrifyingly misogynist gamer culture. Because while her points originally may have been about the industry - that is, the ones making the games - the entire culture around gaming is terribly messed up in how it treats women.

If you can look at all of this and not see that we have a terrible problem with misogyny in online gaming culture, then you are blind.

That's it? That is tuppins. Welcome to the internet where people think they get to be anonymous. People are going to hate and be assholes cause that is how they want to act at that moment in time. Cause last I checked I don't see parades like I see with the KKK in the streets and in fact I see less of them and people simply acting out of their own personal outrage. I've also seen better work of slander and smearing during political campaigns on a tuesday that what you just linked John and once again there is a major change when you go from private to public and you have to accept the good and the ill.

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

I don't think it's a problem at all but hey you're the journalist, let's see the work. Find those people and write up the interview you had with each person giving us the whole spread.

I mean, yes this sort of thing is in poor taste, idiotic, childish, and downright some people being jerks. Why are some people taking this as meaning the gaming community as a whole is like this? Or some people pointing at humanity as a whole. That kind of irks me. That is stereotyping based on extreme examples. Kind of misses the point if you support her stuff. The gaming community as a whole did not put up that travesty of a "game," some jerk did.

That said.......what is she going to spend $160,000 on? Admittedly the requested amount was significantly less......but she's making a handful of web videos. People frequently make rather impressive web videos for not a whole lot. Time being the major expense with some. And she wants to get paid thousands of dollars to make a handful of videos. And people give it to her and more because she's a feminist. This smells of scam, though of course I cannot know one way or the other. Possibly even the campaign against her is a part of the scam to just curry her more favor. Or maybe the world is ideal and she legitimately believes in the project and will channel any extra money to a good cause or will return it. Unfortunately I lack the powers to know these things magically. I certainly would like to hope she is on the straight and narrow, but I'm a paranoid guy.

I still think this money could go to much better things than a few web videos breaking down concepts we already know about. I wonder if she has made any statement as to what specific things this large amount of money will go into.

Tenmar:
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Expect what should or shouldn't be accepted consequences of becoming a "public persona" has no bearing on your suggested double standard.

Perhaps it's your stated unfamiliarity with the material, but the issue concerning the new Aliens game has more in common with Gimli using hammer instead of an axe in the new LOTR moba. The marines in the Aliens universe are a mixed gender force; it's a lore issue not necessarily a gender equality one.

Tenmar:

Take any of the games she claims is to be sexist such as Bastion, Gravity Rush, Assassins Creed, Bayonetta and the like then there needs to be accountability to root out these sexist employees. Does this mean Shigeru Miyamoto is sexist for creating Zelda and Princess Peach/Toadstool who were made into the damsel in distress stereotype? Or how about Sega or Platinum Games cause according to Anita that playing that game makes men want to molest women. Which designer and artists are sexist there? Cause you certainly can't have products that are sexist without sexist people in charge.

It's not about blaming individuals and saying they're bad people for writing sexist (or racist) stuff. It's not about it at all. The prejudices and preconceptions related to sexism (also to racism) are deeply embedded in our culture, so many people (men AND women) may do or say sexist things without realizing it, because it is ingrained in the way we think about the world. It's a very difficult thing to combat, and that's why we need to raise awareness about these issues, because once people realize that something they've always did is sexist (or racist), in most cases they understand they shouldn't do it anymore. Most people will try to do better once they're aware of the issues.

Nowhere in her videos does Anita say people who made the games are evil and should be named and imprisoned or such. The videos only call attention to what is sexist, to raise awareness. You can disagree with her specific assessments of what's sexist, but the general idea is sound. (And is very bad form to try to justify a videogame in which the objective is to beat up someone, but I don't have time to argue about this and other people are already doing it).

Slycne:

Tenmar:
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Expect what should or shouldn't be accepted consequences of becoming a "public persona" has no bearing on your suggested double standard.

Perhaps it's your stated unfamiliarity with the material, but the issue concerning the new Aliens game has more in common with Gimli using hammer instead of an axe in the new LOTR moba. The marines in the Aliens universe are a mixed gender force; it's a lore issue not necessarily a gender equality one.

I'd argue it's both, actually. Male-only playable characters is nonsensical in the lore, but it is also potentially alienating (heh) the women who might otherwise want to play the game. There's no good reason for female characters not to have been included in the first place, even if you don't consider the lore. The lore just makes it twice as unreasonable.

-m

I hope you stop using the word "misogyny" like that. It would be misogyny if they hated all women this way, but they don't.
They just hate her.

Slycne:
Gimli using hammer instead of an axe in the new LOTR moba. .

You're kidding, right?
Please tell me you're kidding.

I don't like Anita and her terrible 'feminist' reasoning either, but I disagree with stupid shit like this. Its immature and stupid.

But then again, this is NEWGROUNDS.

WHY ARE WE SURPRISED? ARE WE NEW TO THE INTERNET?

I keep seeing so many articles were people keep getting surprised over the same thing over and over and over and OVER again. You think we would get used to stupidity after 10 years. I'm not going to spew hate filled comments towards the people that make stupid things like these flash games like a lot of you here because idiots are a dime a dozen on the internet. If I spent my time hating all of them, I would lose my mind.

Matt_LRR:

Tenmar:
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Given that you keep reposting that same Bayonetta video, and the "Anita Sarkeesian, college graduate" video comments on it as well, I want to ask if you understand why advocating for the creation of voluntary-use safe-spaces for women is neither anti-feminist, nor tantamount to segregation as it was historically practised along racial (or sexual, for that matter) lines?

-m

Well one good reason I link the video is cause not everyone actually sees it. Just cause you or specific people see it doesn't mean others involved in this post have seen the video. Second, that's actually the first time I've link the other following videos on this forum. Other people I notice have linked said video by "instig8ive journalist" but it's a first for me.

Thirdly, nice loaded question.

I want to ask if you understand why advocating for the creation of voluntary-use safe-spaces for women is neither anti-feminist, nor tantamount to segregation as it was historically practised along racial (or sexual, for that matter) lines?

That is its own ticking time bomb that blows up on me no matter how I answer cause it makes the logical leap that admitting there is a problem in the first place. To which honestly ignores the core of the issue when it comes to the development and creation of video games. Honestly if it really is a problem and people want to promote segregation again then that's an issue with governments. Local, state and federal. Not the video game industry because if we go with her argument that playing Bayonetta encourages people to molest women then where is the actual research to support that link? We have already proven time and time again that as more realistic and violent video games have been published violent crime rates have either stayed the same or actually decreased. It's not as big of a problem as you think it is and I certainly don't see Anita making that change in San Francisco.

Honestly to me this whole bugbear issue comes down to this. I really don't think anyone who is involved in the video game industry is actually or actively sexist. Cause if they were then those people would most likely have gotten fired for treatment of their fellow employees and I really doubt the CEO is going to be directly involved in the games development(although one could argue that they are in part involved in green lighting projects but to counter that there is a reason there is a board of directors). I'm here to enjoy my hobby of playing video games and not deal with the mindless drama of a person who sees ghosts where they aren't there and takes it upon herself to promote this conspiracy that at it's logical extension means that there are malevolent forces employed by sites like The Escapist, Destructoid and video game developers like Nintendo, Riot Games that are actively pushing some sexist agenda.

Instead what is actually there are teams of developers, producers and hard working people trying to make the games they like and how they want it to be. And with that they should honestly be free to create the game they want to create and take the praise and criticism so they learn more about themselves and how to produce a better game. Cause when you have activists trying to control the production of the game that just causes major delays in the development and where these activists never give the benefit of the doubt. Okay the new Aliens game lacks women, didn't anyone give benefit of the doubt that they just didn't think about making a female playable character? When you go down that line it sucks out all the fun and entertainment that video games are meant to be.

I wanna play the game and get the experience that the developers want me to experience for better or worse. I want to make the decision with my dollars on which narratives I want to experience and which ones I don't. I want developers and writers to be free in what they write and accept the criticism they are going to get and have an actual filter from the pointless flash animations and pictures to the actual criticisms that will make them better at their job without having to think of political correct bullshit but instead think of how to get more polygons out of the Unreal 4 engine or the Wii U dev kit.

Matt_LRR:

I'd argue it's both, actually. Male-only playable characters is nonsensical in the lore, but it is also potentially alienating (heh) the women who might otherwise want to play the game. There's no good reason for female characters not to have been included in the first place, even if you don't consider the lore. The lore just makes it twice as unreasonable.

-m

EDIT:This is why I love you man, you are hilarious. Yeah I feel in the mood for terrible puns. Damn you Chuggaconroy!

Also to note, I'm not an Alien guy. Like I said, I saw Aliens as a kid and knew that series was NOT for me. I'll stuck with the Star Wars and Star Trek cause at least the narrative prepared me for the bigotry and violence coming and not that level of savagery. So I don't know jack about the lore.

EDIT 2: Gotta run for a bit so I won't be able to directly respond to more people who quote me for some time. So if I don't respond please don't feel bad, just having to deal with time like any other person.

Don Savik:
I don't like Anita and her terrible 'feminist' reasoning either, but I disagree with stupid shit like this. Its immature and stupid.

But then again, this is NEWGROUNDS.

WHY ARE WE SURPRISED? ARE WE NEW TO THE INTERNET?

Funny how it's alway "It is XYZ, are we new to the interwebz" anytime something like this happens which shows some big issues in the gaminc community at large.

Does it excuse sexism and racism if it happens on certain turf?

She really couldn't have paid for any better publicity than she's gotten over this. I might think she overstates her case in some instances, but anything that encourages discussion, especially vigorous discussion, is worthwhile in my book.

I'll likewise defend anyone who completely disagrees with her, as long as they do so in a manner that doesn't involve mere name-calling or threats. This 'game' seems to be the worst of all worlds.

Angry that someone's raising money to support a viewpoint? Well, you're free to do the same. Get out there and say something that makes people throw money at you. It's a lot harder than it looks.

Lumber Barber:
I hope you stop using the word "misogyny" like that. It would be misogyny if they hated all women this way, but they don't.
They just hate her.

They hate her because she's a woman who had the gall to speak for herself and criticize their beloved pastime. You can turn your head sideways and squint and maybe come up with a reason to dislike Anita Sarkeesian, but none of those reasons could possibly justify the numerous threats and endorsements of rape and violence against her. Whatever mild annoyance or disagreement these people might have had with her were amplified a million-fold because she happened to be a woman who is not currently making them a sandwich.

Don Savik:
But then again, this is NEWGROUNDS.

WHY ARE WE SURPRISED? ARE WE NEW TO THE INTERNET?

I keep seeing so many articles were people keep getting surprised over the same thing over and over and over and OVER again. You think we would get used to stupidity after 10 years. I'm not going to spew hate filled comments towards the people that make stupid things like these flash games like a lot of you here because idiots are a dime a dozen on the internet. If I spent my time hating all of them, I would lose my mind.

An alternate approach would be for us, as a society, to speak out and do something about the rampant hatred in the video game community and possibly contribute to making the world a better place. Dismissing shit like this as par for the course is just an excuse for laziness. Newgrounds is better than you think if they were willing to blam this game out of existence.

TheKasp:

Don Savik:
I don't like Anita and her terrible 'feminist' reasoning either, but I disagree with stupid shit like this. Its immature and stupid.

But then again, this is NEWGROUNDS.

WHY ARE WE SURPRISED? ARE WE NEW TO THE INTERNET?

Funny how it's alway "It is XYZ, are we new to the interwebz" anytime something like this happens which shows some big issues in the gaminc community at large.

Does it excuse sexism and racism if it happens on certain turf?

Low brow retardness is what Newgrounds is known for. I think a flash game were you beat up an internet feminist seems pretty in context with the site. That's why I'm rolling my eyes.

I'm not saying we shouldn't excuse sexism or racism, but the game already has been taken down. This situation is already resolved and there is nothing more we can do. Getting angry doesn't help anyone.

Its not a big issue in the gaming community at large. But then again I'm not going to call everyone who games unknowingly sexist just because shit like this pops up occasionally.

This entire thread (including my post) feeding the trolls by drawing attention to this irrelevant game.

Trolls should NOT be given the attention they crave.

This beat-up game is made by a nobody, not representative of the industry at all. These trolls BY DEFINITION do whatever it takes to be most offensive and hurtful regardless of whether it reflects their actual prejudices, to focus on the trolls is a straw-man argument, they DO NOT represent the stance of the industry, they are THE MOST EXTREME INDIVIDUALS and hyped out of proportion. The "industry" (by the broadest definition) have repeatedly rejected, marginalised, banned and censored this loud MINORITY!

But nobody cares what the industry actually does, they only focus on how a few sociopaths within cannot shut up.

You want to look at the industry, look at these games:

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250080/top-10-in-sales-first-person-shooters/

And what these people say:
http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/march02/top30/61/index2.shtm

Don't deliberately look around for the most extreme psychopaths that everyone objects to what they do.

blalien:

Lumber Barber:
I hope you stop using the word "misogyny" like that. It would be misogyny if they hated all women this way, but they don't.
They just hate her.

They hate her because she's a woman who had the gall to speak for herself and criticize their beloved pastime. You can turn your head sideways and squint and maybe come up with a reason to dislike Anita Sarkeesian, but none of those reasons could possibly justify the numerous threats and endorsements of rape and violence against her. Whatever mild annoyance or disagreement these people might have had with her were amplified a million-fold because she happened to be a woman who is not currently making them a sandwich.

That's still not misogyny. They won't hate a woman who doesn't agree with her.

Fuck some people are scumbags

blalien:

Lumber Barber:
I hope you stop using the word "misogyny" like that. It would be misogyny if they hated all women this way, but they don't.
They just hate her.

They hate her because she's a woman who had the gall to speak for herself and criticize their beloved pastime. You can turn your head sideways and squint and maybe come up with a reason to dislike Anita Sarkeesian, but none of those reasons could possibly justify the numerous threats and endorsements of rape and violence against her. Whatever mild annoyance or disagreement these people might have had with her were amplified a million-fold because she happened to be a woman who is not currently making them a sandwich.

Don Savik:
But then again, this is NEWGROUNDS.

WHY ARE WE SURPRISED? ARE WE NEW TO THE INTERNET?

I keep seeing so many articles were people keep getting surprised over the same thing over and over and over and OVER again. You think we would get used to stupidity after 10 years. I'm not going to spew hate filled comments towards the people that make stupid things like these flash games like a lot of you here because idiots are a dime a dozen on the internet. If I spent my time hating all of them, I would lose my mind.

An alternate approach would be for us, as a society, to speak out and do something about the rampant hatred in the video game community and possibly contribute to making the world a better place. Dismissing shit like this as par for the course is just an excuse for laziness. Newgrounds is better than you think if they were willing to blam this game out of existence.

I'm not saying we should sit back. I'm saying we shouldn't freak out and go "THIS IS WHY I HATE HUMANITY". We should focus on things like this to stop them, but we shouldn't lose control over our emotions and generalize everyone. This is one person posting one game, and everyone thinks this is what all gamers are like.

This is just wrong. This is...a holocaust of wrong. Sarkeeslan's doing us a service and these mysognist shitbags make this crap because instead of respectfully disagree with her or turn things into a reasonable, fair and even-tempered debate, they pull crap like this? THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. Mysognist game programmers, go kill yourselves and stop peeing in the gene pool.

Is there any more room on the blimp to Ponyville, because I gotta get the hell outta this place.

I will say this is not a scam yet. Who knows, she may make the best and most insightful documentary ever with this $160'000 into this.

But if she does not. If she endlessly delays, puts out something short no effort badly researched piece and it emerges that she has blown most of the money on flippant luxuries... THEN it will be a scam.

$160'000 is based on a promise that it is for a video series about sexism in video GAMES, not stating the obvious that "hurr, trolls exist". If she doesn't actually spend it on the video series about the subject in question, then it is a scam. BUT ONLY THEN!

Right now it is a HUGE promise that she still has some time to deliver on... or return the money.

I wonder if she is woman enough to follow through with her commitment.

Once again the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory proves itself correct.
Can't say I'm surprised by this, either.

I don't suppose somebody can dig up all the personal information about who made that "game" and post it publicly online somewhere?
Also for all the ones who made those images.

/Edit:
Also, lets not forget, that if somebody has NOT invested any money in this kickstarter, they have lost absolutely zero, none, nada and zilch money. This means that no matter what she does with the moneys she's got, it's not going to affect you in the slightest.

unless, of course, you're offended...

Irridium:

John Funk:

Of course, the great irony here is that the vicious response is not only giving Sarkeesian's cause way more publicity than it would have otherwise gotten, but does more to illustrate the problem of misogyny in nerd/gamer culture way more than a video series ever could.

Because seriously, making a videogame about beating a woman in the face for daring to express the point of view that a male-dominated industry doesn't always treat women and female characters like it should, is kind of just making her point for her.

Said it better than I could.

Seriously, why the hell are people so pissed about her making a video series showing that women aren't portrayed in the best light in games?

Let me put it like this, people already like games. Gamers don't really have a problem with anything like gender portrayal in their games. So when people come out and say there might be something wrong people feel they're being told they're wrong and that they are bad. Essentially it isn't so much hate as much as it is insecurity because to change would be to admit we're wrong. It is a hatred of disrupting the status quote and the misplaced pride that stops us from admitting any and all faults.

Tenmar:

That's a lot of words spent answering a question I didn't ask.

You did come close to touching on something important to my question though, and acknowledging that you can't respond, I'm going to address it.

Tenmar:
nice loaded question.

That is its own ticking time bomb that blows up on me no matter how I answer cause it makes the logical leap that admitting there is a problem in the first place.

The fact is, the question wasn't loaded, because I was asking you if you understood why the creation of women-only spaces is not anti-feminist. Feminist theory asserts that a problem exists. Answering the question does not require you to agree with feminism on this issue (though you should anyhow), it requires you to understand why advocacy of minority safe spaces (but not necessarily majority safe spaces) squares with that particular assertion of feminist theory.

Because it's true that, on the surface, it appears like the creation of women-only spaces is antithetical to the idea of "equal rights", but contextually the creation of such a space is actually seen as either an unfortunate necessity of circumstance or as an actual interim step towards creating shared spaces that do hold men and women in equal regard.

I bring this up, because among the most common complaints of Ms. Sarkeesian's work has been to attack her understanding of feminist perspectives, and virtually ever criticism of the sort I've seen so far (including both your personal attacks onher arguments in the Bayonetta video, that destructoid article, and that "College Graduate" video, have been launched from a lay perspective that fundamentally misunderstands what feminist theory actually says, and how feminist theory underpins the specific claims Anita makes in her work.

-m

ElPatron:
>people infringing her right to express her viewpoints
>detractors are actually denied to express themselves

Don't mind if I do, but since I megaloathe both parties fighting this war so I hope more fuel is thrown to the fire so I can cook some popcorns.

Oh, come on, the "gaming community" we are "part of" was always like this. Don't tell me we will suddenly start to look bad.

itsthesheppy:
To be fair, making videos about general tropes in pop culture is not exactly equal to an interactive game depicting and encouraging violence against a specific human being.

I have played games that allowed me to shoot Russians, Germans and "A-rabs", does Infinity Ward encourage people to commit hate crimes against those people?

Those russians, germans and "A-rabs" weren't specific individuals with names, social security numbers, and home addresses.

Treblaine:
I will say this is not a scam yet. Who knows, she may make the best and most insightful documentary ever with this $160'000 into this.

But if she does not. If she endlessly delays, puts out something short no effort badly researched piece and it emerges that she has blown most of the money on flippant luxuries... THEN it will be a scam.

$160'000 is based on a promise that it is for a video series about sexism in video GAMES, not stating the obvious that "hurr, trolls exist". If she doesn't actually spend it on the video series about the subject in question, then it is a scam. BUT ONLY THEN!

Right now it is a HUGE promise that she still has some time to deliver on... or return the money.

I wonder if she is woman enough to follow through with her commitment.

I got one second to post and I'd like to respond to this and this is coming from a person who is taking the stance that this project is quite unneeded.

1. Her project in itself is not a scam. There will always be some section of people who will take any stance. The project in terms of revenue was a critical success and regardless of what happens to the project itself be it defined as a "success"(yes this will be relative) or a "failure"(again relative) or an actual failure(as defined by that in she doesn't actually produce the project at all with zero content).

2. Gonna repeat myself here but the only way she can truly fail is that if she doesn't produce the project at all. She can certainly somewhat fail in many other ways such as messing up by actually turning her non-profit into a profit or running out of revenue halfway through the project itself. But failure does not instantly institute that the project was a scam.

3. To be defined as a scam would mean that revenue for said project is being used that does not result in producing content for the project at all. To that the only people who could and should demand financially transparency are the investors and the journalists to keep her honest.

4. I think more people when it comes to this project are more concerned about the integrity of the project given her past and present failure to actually grasp or understand the content of the games she has critiqued and going to critique.

I wonder, has this Anita Sarkeesian ever been on the internet before... or does she know exactly what she is doing?

"I'll just have totally unmoderated comment section and see what happens"

No way. No. Freaking. Way... that she didn't know what she was doing. Anyone, who has ever run a website from the very earliest days of the internet has known that you have to moderate what people post. This has been around since BEFORE the internet this has been known. You will ALWAYS get trolls and it will ALWAYS fill up with them, their vile vitriol can only breed more and even if a minority opinion it WILL be heard the most. It's an utter fantasy that a absolutist open forum with ZERO personal consequences is the ideal representative of opinion.

It's like judging a society by what graffiti is scrawled on the the back of a toilet door and then holding that up as representative of society.

Bullshot.

You judge the video game by its PRODUCTS, by its TALENT, by the MAJORITY opinion of its users.

I think she feeds on the trolls as ready made straw-men. And it's an agreeable relationship for the trolls, as they love this pathetic fight.

Meanwhile, people who REALLY CARE about this medium are looking on with dismay as Ms Sarkeesian and the Trolls are conducting this ugly charade, this sick theatre of underhanded attacks at each other. And it is all a HUGE fucking distraction from the real issue. You don't publicly argue with trolls.

Lumber Barber:

blalien:

Lumber Barber:
I hope you stop using the word "misogyny" like that. It would be misogyny if they hated all women this way, but they don't.
They just hate her.

They hate her because she's a woman who had the gall to speak for herself and criticize their beloved pastime. You can turn your head sideways and squint and maybe come up with a reason to dislike Anita Sarkeesian, but none of those reasons could possibly justify the numerous threats and endorsements of rape and violence against her. Whatever mild annoyance or disagreement these people might have had with her were amplified a million-fold because she happened to be a woman who is not currently making them a sandwich.

That's still not misogyny. They won't hate a woman who doesn't agree with her.

I think your definition of misogyny is way too rigid. You don't have to hate every woman ever to be misogynist. If you hate women for disagreeing with you or for not acting subservient to you, then you are a misogynist. If you act on your hate by sending rape and death threats, then you are a misogynist. More generally, if you have criteria that will cause you to hate a woman, and that same criteria will not cause you to hate a man as much, then you are a misogynist. We can identify who is or is not being a misogynist without finding out their opinion on all the three and a half billion women on the planet.

FogHornG36:
she has a right to say what ever she wants, and make videos about what ever she wants, Totally free speech, but, this goes both ways, people have a right to say what ever they want about her, even if it is not vary nice.

When you put your face, your name, your ideals on the internet you are stepping into harms way, you can't expect people to just play nice, and treat you nice no mater what you say or do. Then again people being an ass to her got her 160,000 dollars, but what she does with that money will show everyone her true colors.

Very true, a person could say the most vile, disgusting, horrible things about a person they don't like because they might say something that is strongly disagreed by the person. It is within their freedom of speech to say this--but it doesn't make them (and their stance) look good by disagreeing with them.

A common, and in my view, immature, method of disregarding a person's view is to attack their character. Politicians do this a lot in North America that I just get sick of seeing commercials talking about why X person is bad for Y reasons, so vote for Z person instead. It just makes you look like a person that doesn't listen to other points of view, and act like a bully to someone else. I never liked bullies when I was in school, and I don't like the idea that there are ignorant bullies in the culture I'm associated with.

People are free to disagree with one another, but please don't look like a bunch of dicks when you present your argument. Listen to what they say, think about it, and present some counter-arguments to the *opinion* on your own views--not the *person*. This is basically attacking a person to prove a point that she is right.

Conn1496:

Fappy:
In before "I don't want to be on this planet anymore" meme.

Seriously though. What the fuck people?

People!? This is newgrouds. 90% of "people" on Newgrounds barely know how to wipe their own arses, nevermind think logically. I do browse Newgrounds, granted, but I still know it's a galactic sized shithole most of the time.

People on Newgrounds didn't even like the stupid game and I really have to say I think the people community on Newgrounds in more impressive than this one as someone who goes to both sites regularly. Not to mention Newgrounds offers some of the best artistic communities on the internet with a art, music, animation, and game portals. I have seen some incredible talent come from Newgrounds over the years.

OT: People often forget nobody twisted anybody's arm to donate to her they chose to of there own accord knowing she did not need the money.

Seriously, all this crap is Rule 19 of the Internet in full effect: "The more you hate it, the stronger it gets."

The dickbags who keeps attacking her and making vile stuff like this only serves to prove her point that there is a problem with a sexist culture in video games, which gathers her sympathy and support, while making themselves look like childish, violent, and totally irrational pricks in the process.

How can they not realize this?!

itsthesheppy:
Those russians, germans and "A-rabs" weren't specific individuals with names, social security numbers, and home addresses.

Even worse. They are a group of people which can be found anywhere on the world and easily targeted.

Excuse me for my fucked up morals, but arbitrary killing of people of a certain group is worse than physical assault on a single one.

TheKasp:
1: She chose games as her targets.
2: She is a feminist.
3: She is a woman.

4. She is a feminist woman that claimed that undressing a female is sexist.

She is doing the "all sex is rape" campaign against herself and this time it's not even a misquote.

blalien:
If you act on your hate by sending rape and death threats, then you are a misogynist.

Semantics time. If I act on my hate like you just described, but my targets are (say) exclusively gay men, how am I a misogynist? Not every rapist targets women.

How do death threats against men do not qualify as misandry?

How does rape (which is usually considered to be more about power than sex, sometimes leading heterosexual rapists into raping men) imply misandry/misogyny or any other kind of discrimination?

You keep using that word, etc etc etc

Please stop feeding the trolls. This isn't relevant to the overall debate. One random asshole made a shit game and it took care of itself.

Is anyone surprised? One of these "beat up x" games pops up every time somebody is cool to hate on. I mean, is it even worth reporting on at this point?

Hey guys

Host the series on here

She can afford to pay you to do it surely :P

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