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I suspect I'm about to get flamed...

Why is this newsworthy? She has made a career out of troll baiting, getting trolled, and getting enormous donations for enduring such "abuse".

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

She posted a selection of "harassment" she had to deal with in the comments section. Go read it. This is a sample she picked herself to make her point. Count out how many comments are sexist, and how many are literate and reasonable. Frankly, the amount of reasonable comments seem to me to be far above the youtube average, which is sitting somewhere between lobotomized chimpanzee and mental patient after a pint of vodka.

She's a moron, her arguments are garbage, and the people white knighting for her are the real sexists for expecting a double standard of treatment. Go read Thunderf00t's channel, or the Amazing Atheist's. I'm not endorsing either of these two, but look at their comments on any controversial video. It will be just as bad or worse. Do they get news stories?

Pandabearparade:
I suspect I'm about to get flamed...

Why is this newsworthy? She has made a career out of troll baiting, getting trolled, and getting enormous donations for enduring such "abuse".

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

She posted a selection of "harassment" she had to deal with in the comments section. Go read it. This is a sample she picked herself to make her point. Count out how many comments are sexist, and how many are literate and reasonable. Frankly, the amount of reasonable comments seem to me to be far above the youtube average, which is sitting somewhere between lobotomized chimpanzee and mental patient after a pint of vodka.

She's a moron, her arguments are garbage, and the people white knighting for her are the real sexists for expecting a double standard of treatment. Go read Thunderf00t's channel, or the Amazing Atheist's. I'm not endorsing either of these two, but look at their comments on any controversial video. It will be just as bad or worse. Do they get news stories?

At some point, there's a line to be crossed.

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I actually found this a few days ago and thought it brought up some valid points against Anita.

LOL at the Captcha: believe me

lacktheknack:

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I'm not tolerating this behavior, but let's be real here. This isn't genuine sexism, it's trolling. People have edited Thunderf00t into porn, and shown pictures of The Amazing Atheist nude -- trolls like to cross lines, that isn't acceptable, but let's not pretend that her being trolled is some proof of how evil and sexist gamer culture is.

There is a lot of scum and villainy on the interwebs, but she's using the fact that she's trolled as a shield from genuine rebuttal to her piss-poor argumentation.

Tenmar:
We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Eveonline100:

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Eveonline100:
Can i join at this rate i'm starting to wonder just how excatly anybody could do this in this day and age what the fuck is this the 50s?

I have to ask, why is this such a shock to you? I want a detailed answer.

Truthfully i expected this to have die down(think about this kick starter incident start what 2 weeks to month ago i actually forgot about it till now). WHat does surprise is the level of effort that went into this. Again think about it writing a angry post can be done in under minute designing, programing, have to render the art work and to post a game online that takes a lot of time so have this level of hate/harassment means that well this is something where i expected sexism was openly practiced, and enforced otherwise known as the 1950s (Even though women being treated and expected to act subservient to men has being going on for centuries). Come to think about, i guess that does neatly sum up the vast majority of the internet in a nutshell. I really do wonder when exactly move to a point in time where the races/sexes are truly equal. To sum up in a nutshell initial shock caused me to write a post in haste which now thanks to the benefit of me thinking logically about the whole situation i now realizes that the internet seems to be stuck 1950s era in terms of treatment towards minority,women, and homosexuals. Out of curiosity when/what do think will cause society to be gender/racial equally.

You really do not want to know my way of achieving true equality, but it involves executions. Lots & lots of executions. Lots of human rights violations as well. Breaking a few eggs & so forth. i have no earthly idea when this would be attained because i have no idea when we would see the needed mental/societal behavior shifts. other than my execution & positive indoctrination idea. No mathematician but the logistics are still off on that...

Frankly the internet allows for people to behave however the damn well please. Most(conservative estimate at 99.9%) of these people would never make a cross comment in reality. Those that go calling people fags, and niggers, & degrading people in all manner of ways, suffer from immense cowardice. They wouldn't carry out a threat they made on the net even if they had total immunity from the law. Frankly i see that alone as a huge step forward. If we were in the 50s, such acts of violence would not only be a few drinks away, but would not even get investigated. A cross burning is something that would instill genuine fear yet would not e investigated. A youtube comment should generate no fear & by no means warrants investigation. Because the threats have lost power. You cant make the threat in reality & not expect swift & brutal justice. You can make it on the internet & nothing will happen. Indeed nothing will happen for retribution, just like nothing will happen to the person threatened.

Internet tough-guys. Talk a big game on the net, would never have the guts to do anything in the real world. I have no clue why this behavior is exhibited so often on the net, i have no psych background. But believe me when i get to that class i will examine the ever loving shit out of this topic. best i can say is the anonymity allows them to do whatever they want. Among that is show their true stripes & to behave like they never would/never would want to.

I actually made the post because i thought you were making the 50s comment about the game existing.

lacktheknack:

Tenmar:
We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

Pandabearparade:

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

To that there are two obvious objections.

1) So because bad things happen to several people, it's no longer bad? We should accept these things, not call them out as disgusting and wrong? That bad things happen isn't an argument for it being acceptable.

2) The treatment isn't the same. I don't see people drawing porn of and making games about beating up sxephill.

Pandabearparade:
She's a moron, her arguments are garbage

I would say ignorant rather than moron, but that's beside the point. How wrong she is or isn't does not make harassment ok.

EDIT:

Pandabearparade:
People have edited Thunderf00t into porn

And now I'm remembering how he flipped out and blamed everyone except the person who did it. That was ridiculous in addition to being inappropriate.
However I do not think it is a situation that can be compared, since Thunderf00t was promoting videos by somebody who was doing the exact same thing. If Anita is doing something like that I am unaware of it.

I don't have to be a misogynist to hate some bitches.

A shame it's removed from the site. I would have liked to play it.

Pandabearparade:

lacktheknack:

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I'm not tolerating this behavior, but let's be real here. This isn't genuine sexism, it's trolling. People have edited Thunderf00t into porn, and shown pictures of The Amazing Atheist nude -- trolls like to cross lines, that isn't acceptable, but let's not pretend that her being trolled is some proof of how evil and sexist gamer culture is.

There is a lot of scum and villainy on the interwebs, but she's using the fact that she's trolled as a shield from genuine rebuttal to her piss-poor argumentation.

Maybe she is, although that's not the problem I'm looking at.

I'm looking at a completely separate problem, the one that is at the root of this game getting made. And quite frankly, I care more about that problem than the woman in question being a poor debater.

Krion_Vark:
I actually found this a few days ago and thought it brought up some valid points against Anita.

LOL at the Captcha: believe me

Booth babes are in fact paid by gaming companies to wear what they do. Most of her points are complete rubbish. Also the fact that she sees half naked women everywhere doesn't make it 'right'.

Men are made for male gamer power fantasies not for women to drool over. It's called false equivalence.

Zelda and Princess Peach are pretty much the exact definition of a damsel in distress. Why the hell is Zelda even being captured in the first place if she can bring Ganondorf to his knees with one spell?

All of her points are totally bogus.

ot: This is bloody horrible nice to know what some guys really want to do to a female gamer with an opinion different to their own.

him over there:

lacktheknack:

Tenmar:
We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

If you follow the user around for a while, and they maintain their attitude, it's quite safe to call them as you see them. That's more of what I meant be "saying things on the internet" rather than just isolated cases.

Knight Templar:

1) So because bad things happen to several people, it's no longer bad? We should accept these things, not call them out as disgusting and wrong? That bad things happen isn't an argument for it being acceptable.

Not at all. I addressed that a moment ago in another post. It isn't okay for any harsh trolling to occur, I'm merely pointing out the double standard that is used. She gets trolled with about the same intensity as TAA and Tfoot, but she's the only one who gets a news story or uses trolling as a shield to avoid addressing legitimate rebuttals. She implicitly groups people with genuine counters to her shoddy points with the people who tell her to make a sandwich.

2) The treatment isn't the same. I don't see people drawing porn of and making games about beating up sxephill.

You likely haven't looked hard enough, but I did give two examples above. The Amazing Atheist and Thunderf00t have both had worse trolling done to them. No news stories or violins playing on their behalf.

"Any form of constructive criticism, even from fellow women, is either ignored or labelled to be sexist against her."
Yeah, because clearly he knows constructive.
Also, donating money to kickstarter is completely voluntary.
Obviously the next step in the insane misogynist hoard's agenda is to hunt her down and burn her at the stake like a witch for daring to assume that there is a problem with sexism in video games.

lacktheknack:

him over there:

lacktheknack:

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

If you follow the user around for a while, and they maintain their attitude, it's quite safe to call them as you see them. That's more of what I meant be "saying things on the internet" rather than just isolated cases.

Ah sorry, I thought you were dealing in absolutes for a second there. I'm reserving judgement about her until her project comes out myself, if only to see if the accusations of manipulating easily angered and hostile groups for publicity is sincere or not.

Harbinger_:
I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

It's not gamer or nerd culture, it's troll culture.

There have been "games" like this for many years. I think I first played a Bill Clinton one way back in '97. While it might not be the pinnacle of game design, it's a quick and easy way to get people playing your games. Afterall, celebrities will always have their haters.

Harbinger_:
I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

It's not gamer or nerd culture, it's troll culture.

There have been "games" like this for many years. I think I first played a Bill Clinton one way back in '97. While it might not be the pinnacle of game design, it's a quick and easy way to get people playing your games. Afterall, celebrities will always have their haters.

Ugh, I wish she would just be go away. Now with this apparently being "news worthy" she'll more then likely receive more sympathy (More money!!$!!). You disagree with Anita? That's fine then, just IGNORE her. That is one of the biggest weapons to fight against her. Seeing as how she responds to logical posts, she will not respond to them. The Newgrounds game was wrong, and pretty messed up. Sexism is a problem still, but this snake-oil salesmen is not the voice of reason for said cause.

bazaalmon:

And now I'm remembering how he flipped out and blamed everyone except the person who did it. That was ridiculous in addition to being inappropriate.
However I do not think it is a situation that can be compared, since Thunderf00t was promoting videos by somebody who was doing the exact same thing. If Anita is doing something like that I am unaware of it.

I have to concede that you're right about Thunderf00t handling the problem badly. I'm not defending him, just giving an example of another person trolled with the same or greater severity and not getting the fervent support of the Internet Bureau of White Knights.

Though I see what Thunderf00t did and what Anita is doing to be extremely similar. Thunderf00t gets trolled and blamed a youtube rival. Anita gets trolled and uses it to reinforce the feminist narrative and lump all who would argue with her into the same "ignorant misogynist" group.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

orangeban:

Fluoxetine:
Game of the year.

And to everyone who is saying that he proved that idiot youtube bloggers point, Newgrounds proved OUR point by blamming the game. This whole thing is about censorship and silencing anyone who disagrees with your opinion. Free speech has become a great inconvenience to the left wing, and there is a massive global push to be done with it in the name of security and "just being nice", and its gotta stop.

Newsgrounds is not the United States. The internet is not the United States. You have no right to free speech on Newsgrounds, they have no responsibility to let you say whatever the fuck you want to say.

Also, free speech does not allow you to encourage violence.

Could have sworn that 90% of this forum would have died in the fight to prove video games don't cause violence.

Yeah, that last line took me over the top. Have you ever SEEN Newgrounds? The Pico games were the most popular back in the day, and they were all about a little kid shooting up an elementary school.

...what? Are people trying to prove her point or something?

That said, has she made any of the video's she promised to use money for yet?

Oh wow
That is the kind of stupid thing a 6th grader would make, an especially dark 6th grader too
Ive felt this kind of stupidity reach team fortress via a bunch of guys with mics being retarded and misogynistic against a woman who was just lapping up the attention and being equally retarded.

John Funk:
hot air

Nice unbiased report there, bud.
Tell me, escapist. Does being politically correct and trying to spare people's feelings come before personal expression? Nobody is ACTUALLY being harmed with this game-it's a dumb little smear piece. What IS harmful, however, are people demanding the censorship of creativity because it sends a negative message. That is harmful to fucking society, and seeing it here makes me sick.

Its shit like this (including certain poor excuses for human beings in this thread) that have convinced me to just give up being a gamer. I have a whole life ahead of me and I'd rather not be affiliated or lumped in with the kind of human garbage that made this game a reality.

Rampant sexism, pink slips, brutal work conditions, and relentless sophomoric machismo. I'm seriously disillusioned with the games industry.

Pandabearparade:

snip

I wrote up a whole point-by-point post but I think this part really gets to the heart of the matter.

The Amazing Atheist and Thunderf00t have both had worse trolling done to them. No news stories or violins playing on their behalf.

Because this is a gaming site, and those people are not really related to gaming. Like it or not this story being known is in the best interest of the public. It's newsworthy for gaming sites, whereas atheist YouTubers and their antics and harassment isn't, they may have mindless followers and attackers just as here, however that doesn't make it relevant to games.

If either of those people were connected to gaming in any meaningful way then I would agree there seems to be a double standard. Not that this shouldn't be news but that those others things should be. However your examples are from outside gaming, and that is where the "bad stuff happens so who cares" vibe is coming from. I don't see the political battle over asylum seekers coming to Australia reported in gaming news, and I don't expect to.

Why is this newsworthy? Because crap like this needs to be brought into the light and shown not to be ok. Far too many people accept this as being normal. Why are your examples not news? For the same reason my local paper isn't reporting on this, it isn't relevant to the scope of the newsroom.
(apologies if this comes across as me speaking for any member of staff or any of my local paper contributors. This is my judgement of how they do operate, not any attempt to put words in their mouth or say that they should have a particular focus)

I find it odd that the creator is 25, seems kind of old to be making something so petty. It certainly didn't accomplish anything.

This does not deserve to be news. It's fucking Newgrounds. They have an entire section dedicated to beating the shit out of the digital likenesses of people. It's like getting shocked when members of /b/ starts spouting belligerent bigotry and tell people to kill themselves. What's more, it was a SINGLE person who submitted it. This wasn't a team of professionals. It was some pissed off individual who probably took ten minutes to make a shitty flash. What a needless, melodramatic, biased article.

Y'know, I remember when the "blammed" icon on Newgrounds was a Flash file that had been beat up.

So in a way, the fate of this 'game' is really, really, funny.

The internet is full of these kind of games, would anyone have cared if the game in question was about beating up some guy? Nope, that's the real sexism. Somehow it's still considered worse to hit a woman rather than a man despite the genders being equal.

And quite frankly, as many videos/articles show, she isn't the innocent princess people make her out to be.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:
/snip

There would a case in court. Under state criminal codes, which vary by state, it is an offense to knowingly utter or convey a threat to cause death or bodily harm to any person. It is also an offense to threaten to burn, destroy or damage property or threaten to kill. An e-mail or letter is enough. I doubt it will go to court, but there is a leg to stand on despite your claims.

I don't think anyone should or will get into trouble, but this game isn't something worth defending.

Frankly censorship is horrible. It sometimes dumb down and may destroy the original message of a work. I find it hard to believe that those who defend this sincerely are against censor. This isn't about the movie "Brazil" or "Brave New World" being considered too negative. This is a badly made flash game. It's not hard to say it's shit.

Also about censorship. "Rule of Roses" was a somewhat good game that was censored. That is sad. Don't put it in the same category as this game. You're only giving a reason for censorship.

About overreactions. I think the burden is more on someone that can be bothered to make a whole game, than some people on an internet forum, no? You went into a forum about people complaining saying "stop complaining guys!"

Irridium:

John Funk:

Of course, the great irony here is that the vicious response is not only giving Sarkeesian's cause way more publicity than it would have otherwise gotten, but does more to illustrate the problem of misogyny in nerd/gamer culture way more than a video series ever could.

Because seriously, making a videogame about beating a woman in the face for daring to express the point of view that a male-dominated industry doesn't always treat women and female characters like it should, is kind of just making her point for her.

Said it better than I could.

Seriously, why the hell are people so pissed about her making a video series showing that women aren't portrayed in the best light in games?

Because this woman made more money than some of us do in a year of hard back-breaking work or two (or to the point, she made more money to diss the games than many of the people involved in making the game do) to do something that many of us could do for free with a spare weekend or two and cheap computer equipment.

Then add onto it that she is biased as fuck all, that the world gains nothing from her doing this and seems to be a generally unlikable person as a whole, and you get a lot of rage.

There's tons of games where you can beat men in the face for expressing a viewpoint different than your own. Nobody gives a shit about that, and they shouldn't.

As far as I'm aware the female psyche is just as strong as a male's and not in need of special protection.

well

its newgrounds.

no one complained when they had a beat up/torture/destroy britney, k-fed, tom cruise, michel jackson, the twin towers, oprah, ossama, obama, MLP, michel bay and so on game on the site.

and suddenly people give a damn.

matrix3509:
That's it, I am making it my personal mission to wipe out the entire fucking Hominid family.

Start with the closest.

Aah, he wonderous web Flash has brought us. Good riddance. And to all those who specialized in it - suckers.

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