Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

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I'm dissappointed with you, Internet.

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HERP! DERP! I belive that she is being exist and disagre with her veiws

SO LETS BEAT THE BITCH UP BECAUSE ITS OK NOW!!

you know what? fuck thease people...fuck them with a rusty pipe, I don't care this is stupid

Phasmal:
The worst thing about this is that I'm not at all surprised.

Maybe we should take up professional football instead of gaming? I hear they have less of a problem with this kind of stuff.

lacktheknack:

Pandabearparade:

lacktheknack:

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I'm not tolerating this behavior, but let's be real here. This isn't genuine sexism, it's trolling. People have edited Thunderf00t into porn, and shown pictures of The Amazing Atheist nude -- trolls like to cross lines, that isn't acceptable, but let's not pretend that her being trolled is some proof of how evil and sexist gamer culture is.

There is a lot of scum and villainy on the interwebs, but she's using the fact that she's trolled as a shield from genuine rebuttal to her piss-poor argumentation.

Maybe she is, although that's not the problem I'm looking at.

I'm looking at a completely separate problem, the one that is at the root of this game getting made. And quite frankly, I care more about that problem than the woman in question being a poor debater.

What 'problem' are you referring to? I'd like to know because I'm currently having a terrible drink my sister made, and I need a good excuse to spit it all out.

Can we not use 'makes players X' in the context of games? I thought the argument we always have is that we can decide not to with a game. =/

Tenmar:

Treblaine:

Well when is never? Is a year too long? 13 years? She could always say "this is such a big project" and like fusion power stations, it'll always be "just around the corner". She is bound to no timetable, no deadlines, nothing.

Yes, where is her financial transparency. Not necessarily needed on a $6000 project but now she has a small fortune. There are people who REALLY need that kind of money for much more important things, how do we know she isn't blowing it all on goofballs and cigarettes?

And of course, money cannot buy quality. Though it might be a self serving rationalisation circle jerk of her preaching to the choir about how women ever being seen sexually is bad and never ever EVER giving a rational and solid explanation WHY this is in itself bad. But maybe that's what almost 7000 people paid almost $160'000 to hear.

Well Treblaine, like I said I'm not going to be active in trying to stop her project at all. In fact, I'm pretty confident most dissenters aren't. Do note that when I say dissenter I mean a person who is actually going at this with reason and simply disagrees with the project and not bother with projects like the flash animation that this story is about. Honestly I think forums should just have some dump section now where you can just post all your stupid crap where you just want to attack the person directly in one category and then have another section where the actual criticism can be read. People are taking crap way to personally now.

Honestly, if you didn't donate to her cause then don't worry about it. That is what we should take away from the project. Cause she is not beholden to us from a fiscal standpoint. We can freely disagree with her and the work she has done and going to do but I wouldn't go out making forum posts trying to make hard and fast deadlines to signify some sort of failure. The more ya worry about that stuff the more it distracts you from the why you disagree with her. In short, it would make ya look petty.

But like I said everything from the quality to the fiscal transparency is not our problem. There is only one person who has that problem and that is Anita. Doners can certainly if there is enough of them to request for some transparency but that is up to them to be organized, not from some person who wants to be an asshole and shit on any project they don't like.

EDIT: In short, disagree, voice your disagreement, and move on.

Criticism of her project and reasoning are not "stupid crap where you just want to attack the person directly"

There are two quite separate issues:
(1) her poor critical analysis of sex and gender in media in general (which has been discussed before) and
(2) unaccountable handling of a large amount of public money.

It's important that after taking such a large sum of money she take responsibility, she should do this for her donors, you cannot "shoot the messenger" by how I did or did not donate, that is irrelevant, arguments stand on their own merit not who makes them. What is wrong with the argument that people who accept such funding from the public should be transparent on using public finances, she should have some sort of timetable for delivering. I think a lot of people donated on trust, hoping she'd do these things without specific enumeration of these points.

CD-R:

Not to mention she seemed to think spamming 4chan with the link to her kickstarter was a good idea.

Whoever posted those (might have been her project, might not) 4chan has been deleting any page discussing her as fast as they appear. Yes, the most anarchic and "anything-goes" website on the internet is censoring itself to spare her feelings.

She better play tribute to them for this, rather than denigrate 4chan for not completely shutting down ALL comments which would be the only way to prevent any mention of her. She could at least look at the reasoned criticisms against her rather than cherry picking and drawing attention to the attention craving trolls who deliberately concoct the most inflammatory comments. Do it yourself straw-manning.

PS: it would be interesting if 4chan could prove where those posts originated from by analysis and cross referencing the IP addresses. I understand wikipedia does such things to expose when - for example - they catch the IP address of a senator's office editing their their political opponent or their own page to favour their cause.

PPS: I wonder if she will ever accept any responsibility for how trollish she has been, stirring up controversy and angst with such accusations. Sure, it may not be vitriolic, but it accuses not just sexism (unfairness) but misogyny (hatred) with such spurious basis. She knows how vulnerable video games are to state censorship and how much ammunitions she is giving them for an unjustified ban.

Sirron Kcuch:
I'm dissappointed with you, Internet.

The internet didn't do this. One guy did.

What "the internet" did was all chant together in chorus "dude, shut the fuck up" and label him a troll. This is not ignoring a big issue, this is marginalising a pathetic little man, he is made a big issue BY drawing attention to him

1 BILLION people are connected to the internet. Behold, the 1 in a Billion chance.

It is utterly disingenuous to call this representative of everyone on the internet when nearly everyone on the internet says that it is wrong.

"this is why we cannot have nice things"

is the justification of censorship.

Honestly. I disagree with Ms. Sarkeesian's views. And this thing is really giving my side a really bad name. And stuff like this makes it harder to express my views on the issue without being labeled a sexist. I just want to say that not everyone who disagrees with Ms. Sarkeesian is this immature.

Guys these kinda games have been around since the dawn of the internet, quite litterally and portray a wide variety of people from bin laden to probably obama and other world leaders (i remember bush getting tons back in the day) to pop stars like britney spears.

So yeh, get enraged at this, get enraged at all of the other games too.
And if they are as crappy as is normal for a flash animation that barely took an hour, getting offended at this is like getting offended at a drawing showing 1 stick figure killing another, only that 2nd stick figure has the head of x celebrity/person the creator has made a target (in this case, the womentropes creator).

Not that it makes it ok, but seriously, I remember stumbling onto these kinda stuff at newgrounds when I was still using dial up and couldn't use the phone and net at same time. Heck newgrounds HAVE A DECICATED SECTION JUST FOR THESE KINDA FLASH "GAMES" WHERE YOU BEAT UP/KILL "CELEBRITIES".

Its bloody newgrounds peeps, cmon you lot should know better. That place is litterally teeming with angry teens and kids :P

To whoever made that game, way a go! You totally get your argument across! (Sarcasm before you read that in the wrong way.)

Man, these assholes are gonna make me give another ten dollars to some lady I don't know to make a video I don't care about just to spite them, aren't they?

The Portal has spoken.

Now don't get me wrong here, this is downright sexist and I'm not arguing, but...

Am I the only one who's devious enough to think "if it was me, I'd engineer my own controversy to shill my goods."?

Yes, what I'm suggesting is downright paranoid, but... Yeah.

ZephrC:
Man, these assholes are gonna make me give another ten dollars to some lady I don't know to make a video I don't care about just to spite them, aren't they?

I find this a thousand times more tragic then the actual violent flash animation.
Not that it's my business telling ya what to do with your money.

Viredae:
Now don't get me wrong here, this is downright sexist and I'm not arguing, but...

Am I the only one who's devious enough to think "if it was me, I'd engineer my own controversy to shill my goods."?

Yes, what I'm suggesting is downright paranoid, but... Yeah.

Nah you ain't only one and it's not paranoid considering the world we live in where the kindness of america author shot himself for the publicity.
The whole deal with 4chan is especially suspicious (and people keep starting threads there too faster then can be deleted...and only 1 benefiting from this is the womentropes creator for whom all this puerile sexist rage is acting like wind for her metaphorical sails, speeding her campaign along and inviting counter reactions such as the guy i quoted above. It's all way too convenient and i have a hard time believing it's people hating her that's repeatedly giving her publicity).

as upset as i am i will say this. atleast she was beaten up in virtual reality rather real life.

To be honest, i'd like to see the first episode of this Tropes VS Women and THEN make my opinion. as for the current reaction.......i still think i'm asleep and this didn't really happen.

......or it did happen and the person who made that flash game has their electronics taken by Jim Sterling's hammer. and by taken i mean broken into tiny bits

Oh boy... Jim is going to have a field day with this one!

wait, newgrounds doesnt like this game, i thought new grounds was the type of place where you could get 10's in your reviews for releasing a utterly trash and broken game.

But then again its been years since ive been there.

Frankster:

ZephrC:
Man, these assholes are gonna make me give another ten dollars to some lady I don't know to make a video I don't care about just to spite them, aren't they?

I find this a thousand times more tragic then the actual violent flash animation.
Not that it's my business telling ya what to do with your money.

Really? You find my desire to make abhorrent behavior counter-productive a thousand times more tragic than said abhorrent behavior?

I find that kind of sad, honestly.

ZephrC:
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Because you're being played as an absolute tool, and it's working.

That "abhorrent behavior" is nothing more then an angry angsty kid's crap the likes of which 1000s frequent the internet, and you're placing yourself on their level of maturity rather then any fancy noble thing you think you're accomplishing. If anything you're actually devaluing the cause you're donating to by justifying the cynism of people like me.

Whilst you at it you gonna buy some britney spear cds too? She has dozens of such games for her and some of them are quite detailed i've heard.

Fun fact: they guy who made this (of course) also draws creepy sanic heghog fanart. This includes some stuff I will not directly link to that involves tentacles. He tried to take the latter down, but it was archived for historical purposes by some heroic goon.

So, uh, in case you were wondering what sort of person gets this mad about Feminist Frequency.

Viredae:
Now don't get me wrong here, this is downright sexist and I'm not arguing, but...

Why is this sexist? Since the early days of the internet there have been flash games of beating up famous people who are male (George Bush, Saddam, Bin Laden, and lesser known like Amazing Atheist and Thunderf00t) but it suddenly becomes a issue when the subject is a woman?

Instead... isn't it sexist to take exception to when it is a woman, but not when it is a man, even The democratically elected President of the United States. Look on newgrounds, search under "games" for "Bush" and "Obama" and you'll find games where these people who are under REAL threat of being killed are shown being beaten.

I'm not saying two wrong make a right, I am saying where was the great outrage when there was a flash video of George Bush being beaten up? Why was there not a mention that this latest example follows a trend of trolls to show famous men being beaten up. I'll tell you, the worst violent games against male celebrities have been removed from newgrounds and this one of Anita Sarkeesian removed in record time. For copyright and efficiency purposes, they do NOT vet every item that is uploaded.

The idea that this has only ever happened to this woman because she is a woman, it TOTALLY ignorant.

Kahunaburger:
Fun fact: they guy who made this (of course) also draws creepy sanic heghog fanart. This includes some stuff I will not directly link to that involves tentacles. He tried to take the latter down, but it was archived for historical purposes by some heroic goon.

So, uh, in case you were wondering what sort of person gets this mad about Feminist Frequency.

I tried to follow those links but I couldn't find any of the Sonic tentacle...stuff.

By the way, Kahuna, hur fan did you find out about this? Is there something you are hiding from us...?

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Frankster:

ZephrC:
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Because you're being played as an absolute tool, and it's working.

That "abhorrent behavior" is nothing more then an angry angsty kid's crap the likes of which 1000s frequent the internet, and you're placing yourself on their level of maturity rather then any fancy noble thing you think you're accomplishing. If anything you're actually devaluing the cause you're donating to by justifying the cynism of people like me.

Whilst you at it you gonna buy some britney spear cds too? She has dozens of such games for her and some of them are quite detailed i've heard.

Sorry, nope. Don't buy it. This sort of behavior is unacceptable, and no amount of whining about how the internet is always like that will change it. I can't do much, but maybe if enough of us make this kind of idiotic bullshit counter-productive less of it will happen. Certainly we're not going to talk them out of it rationally.

And if it doesn't work, hey, there are worse ways to run the world than to do the opposite of whatever trolls want us to.

Hjalmar Fryklund:

Kahunaburger:
Fun fact: they guy who made this (of course) also draws creepy sanic heghog fanart. This includes some stuff I will not directly link to that involves tentacles. He tried to take the latter down, but it was archived for historical purposes by some heroic goon.

So, uh, in case you were wondering what sort of person gets this mad about Feminist Frequency.

I tried to follow those links but I couldn't find any of the Sonic tentacle...stuff.

By the way, Kahuna, hur fan did you find out about this? Is there something you are hiding from us...?

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It's about a third down the page. There was an earlier, direct link that got taken down, but someone screencapped it and posted that further down the page. The quote that links it reads:

It's okay though, someone grabbed a screencap in time in case you missed it.

[link redacted for Escapist because Kahunaburger don't wanna get b&]

VERY NWS

I wouldn't advise clicking on it tho haha. 1/1d6 SAN check at least.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA also a quick google search reveals that the flash game maker also has a furaffinity account under the same username as his Sanic fanart. I am not going to look at whatever he has posted there for love or money, so I can't guarantee work safe/mind safe for people braver than me.

Kahunaburger:
It's about a third down the page. There was an earlier, direct link that got taken down, but someone screencapped it and posted that further down the page. The quote that links it reads:

It's okay though, someone grabbed a screencap in time in case you missed it.

[link redacted for Escapist because Kahunaburger don't wanna get b&]

VERY NWS

I wouldn't advise clicking on it, tho haha. 1/1d6 SAN check at least.

<Hjalmar clicks link and takes a look>

-'Ohh boy...'

<Closes the page down after two seconds of visit>

Well, my SAN is damaged enough that further checking is uneccessary, seeing as furry softcore isn't terribly harrowing for me. I skipped out on the whole tentacle thing though.

I am also not in a mood to jerk off, FWIW.

Now, all that is left to be explained is how exactly this caught your attention, Kahuna. *nudge* *nudge*

Paragon Fury:

Because this woman made more money than some of us do in a year of hard back-breaking work or two (or to the point, she made more money to diss the games than many of the people involved in making the game do) to do something that many of us could do for free with a spare weekend or two and cheap computer equipment.

Then add onto it that she is biased as fuck all, that the world gains nothing from her doing this and seems to be a generally unlikable person as a whole, and you get a lot of rage.

And there we have it: envy. Why should she have money when we don't? The fact is though, most of the people spouting this rage could not and have not done exactly that with a free weekend and some cheap equipment. (Hint: the people who make the videos that appear on The Escapist get paid for it!)

Hjalmar Fryklund:

Kahunaburger:
It's about a third down the page. There was an earlier, direct link that got taken down, but someone screencapped it and posted that further down the page. The quote that links it reads:

It's okay though, someone grabbed a screencap in time in case you missed it.

[link redacted for Escapist because Kahunaburger don't wanna get b&]

VERY NWS

I wouldn't advise clicking on it, tho haha. 1/1d6 SAN check at least.

<Hjalmar clicks link and takes a look>

-'Ohh boy...'

<Closes the page down after two seconds of visit>

Well, my SAN is damaged enough that further checking is uneccessary, seeing as furry softcore isn't terribly harrowing for me. I skipped out on the whole tentacle thing though.

I am also not in a mood to jerk off, FWIW.

Now, all that is left to be explained is how exactly this caught your attention, Kahuna. *nudge* *nudge*

Well, I was reading the SA thread, saw the link, asked myself "what's the worst thing that could happen?" clicked, and immediately regretted that decision. Then I googled this guy's username (bendilin). He's apparently pretty known (also as losttrap) for being completely insane.

EDIT: He also has a youtube channel. One video in particular is every bit as unintentionally hilarious as you might imagine.

Oh come on now, at this point you're not even trying to be taken seriously. I mean I agree with some of the critisism but this is just fucked up, and you're proving her point for her.

The thing about this Tropes vs Women in videogames thing, is that she brings nothing new to the discussion. She just repeats what already has been said numerous times before.

Kahunaburger:
Well, I was reading the SA thread, saw the link, asked myself "what's the worst thing that could happen?" clicked, and immediately regretted that decision. Then I googled this guy's username (bendilin). He's apparently pretty known (also as losttrap) for being completely insane.

EDIT: He also has a youtube channel, which is every bit as unintentionally hilarious as you might imagine.

I think I'll pass on the youtube channel. I wonder exactly what the links between his furry porn/tentacle rape and his silly little flash game, are.

On closer thought, I am not really in the mood to muse on that today.

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EDIT: Fan, han svalde inte betet!

Yes, let us show that gamers are not misogynistic by creating a game to beat up a woman!

*sigh*...

To the idiots who created this, I have to ask...

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AnAutisticDog:
Meh, if it was about beating a man nobody would care.

That maybe true but it's still fucked up. One wrong doesn't make the other right a wrong after all.

I can only think about how many games there are where you torture Osama or Saddam Hussein. But that's okay right?

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