3DS XL Will Be Nintendo's Last 3D System

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lacktheknack:

Of course, I'm sure that the whole Nicolas Cage style "MY EEEYYYES, MYYY EYYYYYYYYYES" reaction from players didn't help much.

Zing:
I just don't like getting a headache from playing a video game

itchcrotch:
the fact that after a while playing it actually starts to hurt. no no, it's us.

I've never had that reaction, how close is the screen to your face?

OT: So, not supporting your flagship handheld at E3, not releasing any games that are worth a damn for it and then blaming your customers? Nice work EA, didn't see you come in.

Sarah LeBoeuf:
but placing the blame for the handheld's lackluster performance on gamers' short attention spans isn't entirely fair.

A good point. Mind pointing out where in your source article he's quoted as saying that?

Clearing the Eye:
I am fucking giddy with anticipation for the fantastic, disastrous failure of the WiiU. I can't wait for the general public to finally stop letting Nintendo make bank on shit. I will be grinning from ear to ear when their stock hits the ground, I tell ya. Ear to fucking ear.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Everyone said the same thing with the wii, and look how well that turned out. People also said Sonys hand-held would finally topple Nintendo from the market because their system had such amazing graphics! Nope.. the 3DS might not be in the best spot, but it's sitting at the top of Olympus compared to the position the vita is in.
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ResonanceSD:

lacktheknack:

Of course, I'm sure that the whole Nicolas Cage style "MY EEEYYYES, MYYY EYYYYYYYYYES" reaction from players didn't help much.

Zing:
I just don't like getting a headache from playing a video game

itchcrotch:
the fact that after a while playing it actually starts to hurt. no no, it's us.

I've never had that reaction, how close is the screen to your face?

You can't really explain it away, its already known that it affects people differently, some people get headaches/eye pain from it, some get none. The same can be said of 3D movies.

I'm of opinion that if a significant amount of consumers get pain from simply playing a video game or watching a movie, then it's obviously a bad fucking product.

Sarah LeBoeuf:
but placing the blame for the handheld's lackluster performance on gamers' short attention spans isn't entirely fair.

A good point. Mind pointing out where in your source article he's quoted as saying that?

Good catch there, seems like a bizarrely random interpretation of Satoru's comments from the news poster here.

xPixelatedx:
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Oh I just love seeing these posts. My grin grows ever wider.

"A gimmick! A gimmick! My kingdom for a gimmick!" Nintendo will wail, while I laugh hysterically over the smoldering wreckage of cheap plastic and novelty du jour. I'll breath deep the smokey ruins of their once great company, drawn and quartered on the closing hinges of history books lined with raped franchises and beaten horses.

"Just one more mini game collection!" They'll plead. "One more casual sports game for grandma! Spare us and we promise to only remake Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda a dozen more times!" The casuals will simply ignore the cries, uninterested in laying down a few hundred dollars for a controller to a paperweight they've forgotten they own.

Nintendo turns to those they once loved--the taken for granted mistress, bruised and ashamed from years of abuse. "Hardcore, take me back! I've changed. I promise. Look, look! See," the flailing beast begs. "Look at all these five-year-old games from the other consoles I ported just for you. Look how hardcore I am now!" The long abused spouse finally turns her back and walks into the sunset, leaving the toppled prince to die alone, forgotten and mourned by no one. A relic of its time, now condemned to memory, just as with all those before it.

*Maniacal laughter*

I tried it in a store with super mario land, switched the 3D on and off and fought a very hard battle to see any notable difference. I think there might have been a bit more depth, and a bit more migraine on my part when 3D was on, but nothing of noteworthy importance.

Not impressed.

ResonanceSD:

lacktheknack:

Of course, I'm sure that the whole Nicolas Cage style "MY EEEYYYES, MYYY EYYYYYYYYYES" reaction from players didn't help much.

Zing:
I just don't like getting a headache from playing a video game

itchcrotch:
the fact that after a while playing it actually starts to hurt. no no, it's us.

I've never had that reaction, how close is the screen to your face?

OT: So, not supporting your flagship handheld at E3, not releasing any games that are worth a damn for it and then blaming your customers? Nice work EA, didn't see you come in.

Sarah LeBoeuf:
but placing the blame for the handheld's lackluster performance on gamers' short attention spans isn't entirely fair.

A good point. Mind pointing out where in your source article he's quoted as saying that?

by "blaming the customers" i think he just means the whole "short attentions spam" thing.

Have they removed the bricking nonsense yet? If not, go to hell, Nintendo.

Good. The 3D adds nothing and hurts my eyes. And having to hold the thing perfectly still to keep it 3D rather than just blurry kind of defeats the point of a portable console.

itchcrotch:

ResonanceSD:

lacktheknack:

Of course, I'm sure that the whole Nicolas Cage style "MY EEEYYYES, MYYY EYYYYYYYYYES" reaction from players didn't help much.

Zing:
I just don't like getting a headache from playing a video game

itchcrotch:
the fact that after a while playing it actually starts to hurt. no no, it's us.

I've never had that reaction, how close is the screen to your face?

OT: So, not supporting your flagship handheld at E3, not releasing any games that are worth a damn for it and then blaming your customers? Nice work EA, didn't see you come in.

Sarah LeBoeuf:
but placing the blame for the handheld's lackluster performance on gamers' short attention spans isn't entirely fair.

A good point. Mind pointing out where in your source article he's quoted as saying that?

by "blaming the customers" i think he just means the whole "short attentions spam" thing.

My point is that in the source article, he doesn't actually get quoted anywhere as blaming gamers for a short attention span.

There was only one game where the 3D was actually necessary for the gameplay and it was a first party title, so obviously it wouldn't be something gamers were interested in.

So what's next, a cheaper model 3DS without the option for 3D that can play basically every 3DS game?

I think I'll blame my lack of interest on the console solely on the excruciating headaches that come with 3D and the general lack of titles other than Metal Gear (which I already own three copies of on the PS2) and the currently unreleased Animal Crossing 3D and Monster Hunter 3G.
Do I think 3D should be stripped from all new systems? Yes, it'll cut down on cost, but on the other hand people do like the mechanic and I'm sure it could be used to good effect eventually so perhaps it should stay in some form, but not as the main marketing strategy.
But ultimately Nintendo needs to stop pushing hardware gimmicks and just focus on what makes their handhelds great, exclusive titles, slick gameplay (which means a second analog!) and experiences with a decidedly Japanese flavour we can't get anywhere else.

Insult consumers for not liking your product.
Brilliant.

Clearing the Eye:

xPixelatedx:
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Oh I just love seeing these posts. My grin grows ever wider.

"A gimmick! A gimmick! My kingdom for a gimmick!" Nintendo will wail, while I laugh hysterically over the smoldering wreckage of cheap plastic and novelty du jour. I'll breath deep the smokey ruins of their once great company, drawn and quartered on the closing hinges of history books lined with raped franchises and beaten horses.

"Just one more mini game collection!" They'll plead. "One more casual sports game for grandma! Spare us and we promise to only remake Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda a dozen more times!" The casuals will simply ignore the cries, uninterested in laying down a few hundred dollars for a controller to a paperweight they've forgotten they own.

Nintendo turns to those they once loved--the taken for granted mistress, bruised and ashamed from years of abuse. "Hardcore, take me back! I've changed. I promise. Look, look! See," the flailing beast begs. "Look at all these five-year-old games from the other consoles I ported just for you. Look how hardcore I am now!" The long abused spouse finally turns her back and walks into the sunset, leaving the toppled prince to die alone, forgotten and mourned by no one. A relic of its time, now condemned to memory, just as with all those before it.

*Maniacal laughter*

You know, your story (romantic as it is) would be more poignant if Nintendo weren't the most successful games company of this generation, and the only one to come out with significantly more money than when they went in. They made profits from the Wii from day 1, while Microsoft and Sony both sunk billions into their respective consoles. If you're going to worry for any company going into the next generation, worry for Sony. They've been losing so much money recently that they had to fire 10,000 staff members.

Nintendo? They had one bad year where they lost 370 million. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the billions they've taken in with the Wii and DS.

As touching as your story of domestic abuse and abandoned romance is, it kind of reads like that creepy stalker fan-fic you see Twilight fans posting on the internet. And it begs the obvious question, if hardcore gamers will only support 'proper' consoles, why did the N64 and Gamecube both wind up in last place? Can you really blame Nintendo for going casual considering that the 'love' of hardcore gamers has amounted to precisely diddly shit in previous generations?

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Clearing the Eye:

xPixelatedx:
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Oh I just love seeing these posts. My grin grows ever wider.

"A gimmick! A gimmick! My kingdom for a gimmick!" Nintendo will wail, while I laugh hysterically over the smoldering wreckage of cheap plastic and novelty du jour. I'll breath deep the smokey ruins of their once great company, drawn and quartered on the closing hinges of history books lined with raped franchises and beaten horses.

"Just one more mini game collection!" They'll plead. "One more casual sports game for grandma! Spare us and we promise to only remake Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda a dozen more times!" The casuals will simply ignore the cries, uninterested in laying down a few hundred dollars for a controller to a paperweight they've forgotten they own.

Nintendo turns to those they once loved--the taken for granted mistress, bruised and ashamed from years of abuse. "Hardcore, take me back! I've changed. I promise. Look, look! See," the flailing beast begs. "Look at all these five-year-old games from the other consoles I ported just for you. Look how hardcore I am now!" The long abused spouse finally turns her back and walks into the sunset, leaving the toppled prince to die alone, forgotten and mourned by no one. A relic of its time, now condemned to memory, just as with all those before it.

*Maniacal laughter*

You know, your story (romantic as it is) would be more poignant if Nintendo weren't the most successful games company of this generation, and the only one to come out with significantly more money than when they went in. They made profits from the Wii from day 1, while Microsoft and Sony both sunk billions into their respective consoles. If you're going to worry for any company going into the next generation, worry for Sony. They've been losing so much money recently that they had to fire 10,000 staff members.

Nintendo? They had one bad year where they lost 370 million. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the billions they've taken in with the Wii and DS.

As touching as your story of domestic abuse and abandoned romance is, it kind of reads like that creepy stalker fan-fic you see Twilight fans posting on the internet. And it begs the obvious question, if hardcore gamers will only support 'proper' consoles, why did the N64 and Gamecube both wind up in last place? Can you really blame Nintendo for going casual considering that the 'love' of hardcore gamers has amounted to precisely diddly shit in previous generations?

That's the thing; the casuals all bought the Wii, played it for a week and then left it in their cupboard to die of dust. The hardcore market got kicked in the teeth over and over again, with nothing but mini-games and rehashes in the vast, vast wasteland between genuinely good releases. Now the casual market will ignore the WiiU ("I already bought a Wii and I never use it--why do I want a new controller for it?") and the hardcore crowed has no reason to get one ("Ports and one or maybe two original games? I was already bitten by the Wii once, shame on you, but twice? Ha).

It's all been leading up to this. This is the point where it finally hits the fan. Nintendo has been riding high on a market that no longer cares enough to make it a success on their own and the rest of us are just flat out sick of shitty hardware with next to no support. The WiiU will sell, I've no doubt--fuck, if Sony can vomit out shit handhelds and still sell something, this will too. But, unlike the Wii, the sales will stop quite fast and the mountainous wall of disappointment that's been groaning under the strain of shitty handhelds and zero third party support will give. The perfect storm, if you will. I guarantee it.

I'm not anti Nintendo. I liked some of their stuff. But it's damn well about time they get spanked for abusing their market. All the goodwill that got them to this point will finally have run out. The Nintendo we romanticize in our heads is gone. The facade has (or very shortly, will) slip off and they'll cop a fair slap to the face with the cavalcade of gimmicks they shoveled out year after year.

Basically, they blew it all on the way up and it's gonna be one hell of a fall.

I enjoyed writing that story, lol. As silly as it is, it made getting my opinion across more fun than just saying it ^^

Clearing the Eye:
I'm not anti Nintendo. I liked some of their stuff. But it's damn well about time they get spanked for abusing their market.

You're completely right.
How dare Nintendo make good games and abuse the market that way. HOW DARE THEY!!!!!

But seriously, get a job. Maybe you would have less time to hate something for no rational reason.

BTW, since when does a whole list of third party support mean "no third party support"? Did I miss something?
EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Square Enix, 5th Cell, basically every Japanese developer, many small developer, hell even Blizzard was interested in what they could do with it. And that's just a fast list that I made while editing a typing mistake.

And for the false "no games" accusations, wait until fall. Nintendo said that they will announce many new games from them and third party developer when they announce the launch date and price. No game confirmation isn't a confirmation for no games.

OT:

Thanks for giving me a warning for pointing out that the author made up the story. Misleading title, completely false information. Good job escapists. It's really noticeable that you're from the US. No censorship at all.

lacktheknack:
Short attention spans?

Surrrrrrroh look a butterfly.

Of course, I'm sure that the whole Nicolas Cage style "MY EEEYYYES, MYYY EYYYYYYYYYES" reaction from players didn't help much.

DAMNIT! I was drinking when I read the "MY EYES" part and starting cracking up, making me spew my drink all over DX

BiH-Kira:
...Thanks for giving me a warning for pointing out that the author made up the story. Misleading title, completely false information. Good job escapists. It's really noticeable that you're from the US. No censorship at all.

Now now; let's not bring censorship into a gaming issue... We all know how things turn out when THAT happens!

BiH-Kira:
But seriously, get a job. Maybe you would have less time to hate something for no rational reason.

Phnar, phnar. I'd read more of your funny post, but I'm busy rolling around in my money.

BiH-Kira:
Thanks for giving me a warning for pointing out that the author made up the story. Misleading title, completely false information. Good job escapists. It's really noticeable that you're from the US. No censorship at all.

Censorship doesn't mean what you think it means ;D

Y'know, I've been hanging around here long enough that I should know better. But fuck it, someone bring me the tweezers, I'm dissecting this one piece by piece...

Clearing the Eye:
That's the thing; the casuals all bought the Wii, played it for a week and then left it in their cupboard to die of dust. The hardcore market got kicked in the teeth over and over again, with nothing but mini-games and rehashes in the vast, vast wasteland between genuinely good releases. Now the casual market will ignore the WiiU ("I already bought a Wii and I never use it--why do I want a new controller for it?") and the hardcore crowed has no reason to get one ("Ports and one or maybe two original games? I was already bitten by the Wii once, shame on you, but twice? Ha).

Hardcore gamers have made it abundantly clear that they won't buy Nintendo consoles whether they're casual friendly or not. The N64 is, for many, the poster-boy of what a hardcore console should be. It was more powerful than the PS1, it had a controller that allowed for things like FPS games to be played on the system, it had a library of games including the likes of GoldenEye and Ocarina... and it still got curb stomped by the PSX. Same story with the Gamecube. It was more powerful than the PS2, had a controller better suited for 'hardcore' genres like shooters... and once again, the Sony machine stomped all over it.

Nintendo didn't abandon hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers abandoned Nintendo, and left it languishing in last place for both of the previous generations.

Also, this dismissal of the casual audience as being too technologically incompetent is unfair, and treats people as if they're goldfish with 5 second memories. People buy ugraded versions of existing tech. This is true for tablets, laptops, smartphones and consoles. If Apple can convince enough people to swap out their iPhone 3 for an iPhone 4S, if Samsung can repeatedly get people to upgrade their Galaxy model to the latest thing, then wouldn't that suggest that non-gamers are still quite tech savvy, and like having the latest version of something? My own mum recently traded in her Galaxy S2 for an S3, simply because it's the next one up. If even she can understand the idea of a generation jump, then is it not possible that those casual gamers who bought the Wii will also buy the WiiU for exactly the same reason? I mean, everyone goes on about the appeal of smartphones and tablets, but the 3DS still managed to sell more units in its first year than the iPad did. Doesn't that suggest that even amongst casuals, there is still an appeal in a casual friendly console rather than simply playing all your games on your smartphone?

Oh, no wait, I forgot. Casual gamers are sheeple spawned by the devil himself, who are all incredibly stupid, have no independent thought of their own, and cannot compare to the majesty of the hardcore gaming race. My bad...

It's all been leading up to this.

What, Nintendo's record sales and stupidly large amounts of money they've been making?

This is the point where it finally hits the fan.

Yay for schadenfreude...

Nintendo has been riding high on a market that no longer cares enough to make it a success on their own and the rest of us are just flat out sick of shitty hardware with next to no support.

Except that as already stated, the 3DS has still done incredibly well for its first year, outselling the supposedly casual-friendly iPad, showing that even if hardcore gamers have abandoned Nintendo, someone is still buying their consoles in droves.

The WiiU will sell, I've no doubt--fuck, if Sony can vomit out shit handhelds and still sell something, this will too. But, unlike the Wii, the sales will stop quite fast and the mountainous wall of disappointment that's been groaning under the strain of shitty handhelds and zero third party support will give. The perfect storm, if you will. I guarantee it.

Except that numerous third-parties have already said they're going to support the Wii U. A quick list off the tip of my head includes: EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, Tecmo and THQ are all working on games for the system's launch, or soon after. Ubisoft alone has got eight Wii U titles in the works, according to Google...

I'm not anti Nintendo.

Au contraire. You have made no secret that your greatest wish is to watch them fall and die as a company. Therefore you are de facto anti-Nintendo.

I liked some of their stuff. But it's damn well about time they get spanked for abusing their market. All the goodwill that got them to this point will finally have run out. The Nintendo we romanticize in our heads is gone.

What, the Nintendo who released videogame consoles like the SNES that appealed to families and young kids with games like Super Mario, Donkey Kong and Zelda? Yeah, you're right. That company is gone. It's been replaced with... well, a Nintendo who releases consoles that appeal to families and children with games like Mario, Donkey Kong and Zelda.

Hmm, now that sure is a puzzling one...

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
Except that numerous third-parties have already said they're going to support the Wii U. A quick list off the tip of my head includes: EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, Tecmo and THQ are all working on games for the system's launch, or soon after. Ubisoft alone has got eight Wii U titles in the works, according to Google...

Bahahaha. This is the point where I couldn't hold the laughter in any more. Nintendo, third party? Yeah, okay. Sure. Mhm. Just like all those amazing third party Wii games. What was there, a whole ten of them? Not like the entire industry has said over and over again how much of a bitch trying to work with Nintendo is. Oh the mirth. The mirth is too much.

My sadistic side is fucking brimming with anticipation for this to blow up so I can do my I-Told-You-So dance. Release month is going to be so fucking brilliant ^___^

What a surprise?

3D has failed to stick like clockwork every 30 years or so. A handheld whose main improvement over its predecessor is a 3D gimmick which you not only have to keep stationary but can cause permanent vision damage to kids under 7. Isn't that supposed to be your target audience?

And why isn't there a second analog stick on the damned thing?

Good riddance to 3D till 2040.

Little needs to be said about how stupid they are for saying it's our fault. But, I will admit, I enjoy having the 3D. They said it adds depth, and it does. It doesn't add anything else other than a better ability to gauge distance and your position with everything else. It fleshes out the game better, and I like that. But that's all it's good for. Basing your system on that gimmick alone was a bad idea.

Short version: Bad
Long version: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

Edit: I seem to be completely invulnerable to the so called "headaches and eye strain", so that probably makes me feel more confident in what I just said about it being good for the feel of the game. But if others are having so much trouble with it, then... yeah, not good at all.

Sarah LeBoeuf:
Satoru Iwata blames gamers' short attention spans for the lack of interest in 3D visuals.

The actual quote from the article:
So why did we introduce stereoscopic 3D into a handheld? Because there are a various circumstances on a handheld machine which make it possible. You have the screen and the console being one, normally you have almost constant distance between [the user] and the screen, so with the currently available technology it is possible to provide a high quality 3D experience without glasses.



So, now we've created the 3DS and 3DS XL and also have some games out there that are really using that 3D effect that we can see, from my point of view, that it's an important element. But as human beings are this kind of surprise effect wears off quickly, and just have this 3D stereoscopic effect isn't going to keep people excited.



Good journalism there, Escapist writer!

Iwata wasn't criticizing their customers for having short attention spans. He was (correctly) pointing out that the "ooo" and "aaa" factor for a gimmick like 3D wears off rather quickly. Technology stops seeming quite as impressive once you've experienced it for a while. The same happened to the Wii for some people: they were awed over the idea of motion controls and a remote-shaped controller, tried it out, and it started becoming a lot less enthralling and mystifying over time. And now it's a known quantity, and doesn't carry that "awe" factor any more, so Nintendo went another route with the next console featuring a tablet.

Nintendo makes bank on the "awe" factor more often than not, Sony and Microsoft utilize it to a certain degree as well. It's how these companies make money. Him pointing out that gamers don't latch onto a gimmick for long isn't insulting them, it's CORRECT.

It's a natural effect of new technology: people see it and there is some "ooo"ing and "aaa"ing because to the standard consumer, it seems as if it's some sort of magic, but once you know the trick and how it works, it's a lot less mystical in nature and you don't enjoy it as much. The same effect is why a comedy routine makes you laugh a lot the first time, but once you're practically able to recite the jokes by heart, you're not laughing at the jokes quite as hard as you were before. Or why a magic trick isn't as fun to watch once you know how the magician performs it. And so on.

You completely missed the point he was trying to make for the sake of spinning the article negatively. Tsk tsk.

And shame on you, people who read this article and assumed the story you were given was accurate without checking the source. This is precisely why such half-hearted and misleading articles are able to damage the credibility of people and companies. I get that everyone likes to assume "The Man" is always evil, but give me a break. Let's try accurately quoting what people say, hm?

the 3d is neeeds alot of improvment a small movement causes the screen to show a weird dual image blur u need to hold it at a certain angle for it to take effect they need to improve if they want it to be more than a gimic

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