Modders Restore Knights of the Old Republic II Content

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Clearing the Eye:
I disagree with you there, buddy. He was always outside such triviality. The Jedi brainwashed him (more or less) for a short period of time, but he was never beholden to any side of the force. Thus why Revanites are neither light nor dark.

You can disagree with it all you want. The canon is officially established with LA for the SW universe and it says he is Lightside.

And what the Revanites think isn't really relevant since they are a cult of some pretty crazy, almost exclusively Sith, worshipers of a figure that has been missing for 300 years. They still believe in the acquisition of power over all, they just argue that embracing more Jedi type philosophies, especially toward the use of other races, allows for even greater power than the current Sith code allows.

They also believed that he found the emperor, killed him, and overtook the position. Thus displaying that their beliefs are incorrect.

Could someone who has played this new mod make a quick list of all the additions? I'm quite interested.

Dukenstein:
Could someone who has played this new mod make a quick list of all the additions? I'm quite interested.

if you read the article, and went to the mod download site, you'll find a rather lengthy list of what is changed/added/fixed

Damn, I remember seeing this mod on my roommate's comp back in late 2009. Didn't actually think it would be finished to this degree. Well, I guess that's the perk of having a dedicated fan base isn't it?

I really, REALLY need to get the PC version now.

I loved KOTOR 2, flawed as it was.

KotOR II is sweet nuts. Just downloaded the 1.7 version of this mod the other day, tho ]: Guess I gotta reinstall.

But it's kay, didn't even like playing a Jedi Guardian. Guess it's back to the Sentinel/Watchman for me! I don't even wanna see the edges of my comfort zone anymore.

Brings a tear to my eye. KOTORII is my favourite game of all time, more so than the first one. Games like Dragon Age Origins might have better party interaction, but I will always have a soft spot for this game. Downloading it as we speak.

Clearing the Eye:
but he was never beholden to any side of the force.

Actually... you're wrong there... when Revan returned as the Dark Lord of the Sith after the Mandalorian War, he and Malak were under the thrall of the Emperor, an Immortal being who attained his power by LITERALLY sucking the force from an entire planet (both the planet itself and its inhabitants, leaving a void scar in the force, so much so that even the physical world was changed causing sound and color to be dulled). They were faced with the Darkside personified, and they were overwhelmed.

The Emperor was the dark and terrible thing Revan and Malak found in the Unknown regions.

rhizhim:

Twilight_guy:
Not 'restored', restored implies that it once existed int he game and was removed. They 'finished' content that was never included.

Also, if they really had that much crap sitting unused in their files then they did a really, really bad job coding because stuff like that should have been cut and removed and never released with the final product. Cutting unused content is the quickest thing you can do to increase efficiency, one of your major goals.

at least obsidian said 'i am sorry that we could not finish the game like we wanted to
so we will inlude the file so some dedicated modders can finish what we cant due to a new and insane short deadline.

also the finished was included but 'blocked' from access in the game.
and its easier and more efficient to block the access from unfinished areas of the game than searching the right parts through the code and deleting them.

i doubt you play mostly with your pc since thats a common thing.

If it was simply 'blocked' it wouldn't have taken so many years to create this this mod. It's obvious that this involved not only going through and doing things like altering booleans, uncommenting lines, figuring out what lines went where, and other common stuff to quickly remove stuff but also fishing completely unfinished work that was in a partial state of completion. You don't work on something for 3 years just to unblock things unless the project was super low priority, which I doubt in this case.

Also, no, leaving unfinished content is not apologizing, its another example of how unfinished this game was. A finished game does not include X number of mega or giga bytes of data that does absolutely nothing because it is cut content. In a finished game the developers go through and actually cut their cut content. Obsidian didn't have time to due to, as stated, their rushed schedule.

Also, your implication that I don't play on my PC due to my not understanding how game are put together is stupid since there are tons of people who play PC games and have not a clue about how games are made (or how computers work). That was just mean.

Irridium:

frizzlebyte:
Hang on, is this related to the Team Gizka Restoration Mod? I followed that thing for sooooo long.

Anyway, this is great. I liked KOTOR 2, and this just makes it even better.

Nope. From what I gathered these people got tired of Team Gizka taking so long, so they started their own restoration project.

With blackjack, and hookers.

Heh, that's good motivation, then... :D

Anyone have list of all the stuff they restored? The only thing I know about is the droid factory and that was in the 2009 version.

Found one.

Crazy Zaul:
Anyone have list of all the stuff they restored? The only thing I know about is the droid factory and that was in the 2009 version.

Found one.

Have you tried... I don't know... GOING to the mod download page and looking at their change log pages? I mean, the link is in the article...

Common sense... who would'a figured...

I've waited years for a completed version of a restored content mod. Other modders tried (team Gizka) but sort of... dissipated. Lazy tards.

Now that this is out, I can finally, after 4 years of last having played this spectacular game that has deeper writing than every bioware game released in the last three years, start playing again.

Damn this game had an awesome story, a shame they couldn't finish the ending properly.

aceman67:

Clearing the Eye:
but he was never beholden to any side of the force.

Actually... you're wrong there... when Revan returned as the Dark Lord of the Sith after the Mandalorian War, he and Malak were under the thrall of the Emperor, an Immortal being who attained his power by LITERALLY sucking the force from an entire planet (both the planet itself and its inhabitants, leaving a void scar in the force, so much so that even the physical world was changed causing sound and color to be dulled). They were faced with the Darkside personified, and they were overwhelmed.

The Emperor was the dark and terrible thing Revan and Malak found in the Unknown regions.

SSSSSHHHHHH! That never happened. If Revan and Malak were corrupted by the Sith Emperor then that would imply that

And the writing in KOTOR II is way too good to allow such a good plot point be retconned in such a ham-fisted way.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

SSSSSHHHHHH! That never happened. If Revan and Malak were corrupted by the Sith Emperor then that would imply that

And the writing in KOTOR II is way too good to allow such a good plot point be retconned in such a ham-fisted way.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but thats exactly what happened, go read the Revan novel.

aceman67:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

SSSSSHHHHHH! That never happened. If Revan and Malak were corrupted by the Sith Emperor then that would imply that

And the writing in KOTOR II is way too good to allow such a good plot point be retconned in such a ham-fisted way.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but thats exactly what happened, go read the Revan novel.

I know it technically happened, but I try and filter out and wilfully ignore writing of such crap quality. I'm hoping that one day the guys at Lucasarts will realise what a crapshoot the whole TOR/Revan thing is, and create a proper KOTOR 2 with Chris Avellone at the writing helm.

So, how long until Hassat Hunter and Stoney manage to get the M4-78 mod to run alongside this?

aceman67:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

SSSSSHHHHHH! That never happened. If Revan and Malak were corrupted by the Sith Emperor then that would imply that

And the writing in KOTOR II is way too good to allow such a good plot point be retconned in such a ham-fisted way.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but thats exactly what happened, go read the Revan novel.

You also realize that the last time Drew Karpyshin adapted another Star Wars author's work, he completely shat over the Jedi Versus Sith comics to make Darth Bane into a complete moron?

The man is a hack when he isn't writing his own characters. Besides, Games and Books are both on the same level of Canon, C, meaning that they are interchangeable. So I'll go with the ambiguous and not totally ham fisted explanations.

No one considered that the version you played at the time was the one the designers intended? For whatever reason, time probably, the designers chose to jettison that excess baggage and focused on the things they could reasonably work on.

You played the designers vision of the game. Don't couch this modding notion with the noble sounding "it how they wanted it."

....I think I just made a mess in my pants. Going to install this right now, screw you guys!
*runs off to find ancient install discs*

I really need to try this out. I think the last time I played KotOR 2 was about 4 years ago and I remember telling myself I wouldn't play it again without a mod that restores some of the content (as I recall, there were more than one project going on at the time, such as Team Gizka's TSLRP which I believe died along the way).

So I'm adding KotOR 2 to my playing queue. If only it wasn't so full right now, with so little time...

I think i might just have to play KOTOR 2 and install this mod!

I hope my copy doesn't still crash whenever i try to start a new game...

malestrithe:
No one considered that the version you played at the time was the one the designers intended? For whatever reason, time probably, the designers chose to jettison that excess baggage and focused on the things they could reasonably work on.

You played the designers vision of the game. Don't couch this modding notion with the noble sounding "it how they wanted it."

Actually, this is definitively not the case.

It's on record that Lucasarts cut the development time of KOTOR II at the last minute, after only 14 months of work. Not only that, it's on record that Obsidian offered to release all the cut content in a free patch after release, but Lucasarts for some reason refused their request.

The version of KOTOR II is not the designers vision, it is the publishers vision. The designers wanted all the cut content to make it into the game, and offered to do just that after release.

I didn't realize they continued to improve on it. I might have to do another playthrough. I think this is one of the best examples of modding. This is why I play on PC.

malestrithe:
No one considered that the version you played at the time was the one the designers intended? For whatever reason, time probably, the designers chose to jettison that excess baggage and focused on the things they could reasonably work on.

You played the designers vision of the game. Don't couch this modding notion with the noble sounding "it how they wanted it."

There are quests that don't go anywhere and unfinished subplots. This is clearly an incomplete game.

aceman67:

Clearing the Eye:
*snip*

As Tumedus said, there are very strict rules that Lucas and Lucasarts/film set forth that determine what is Canon and what is not.

That rules being: If it is published under the Star Wars/Lucasfilm Entertainment brand, IT IS CANON. Period.

(puts on fanboy hat)

There are actually multiple levels of canon in the Star Wars universe, according to the company's official continuity editor. This is referred to as the "Holocron", and there are five levels.

G-canon is "absolute" canon, and refers to the films (in their most "current" form), novelizations, radio plays and direct statements from Lucas. T-canon is anything related to television shows (The Clone Wars, the supposed live-action series), which supercedes C-canon (anything related to the Expanded Universe). N-canon is non-continuity works that still have elements considered to be canon (Star Wars: Galaxies, for example). Non-canon is any "what if" stories, crossover appearances, etc.

In addition, the current continuity editor (Leland Chee) has said in various interviews that:

a) there is one overall continuity;
b) Future C-canon works can override information found in prior C-canon works if it's consistent;
c) Total canon is defined as the film plus Expanded Universe continuity.

In short, if future stories use information from a previous EU story and keep it consistent, it has a higher level of canonicity. Seeing as Revan is listed as a male Lightside in the book, and referred to as such in the sequel, it is (for all intensive purposes) canon to the EU. His 'alternate' ideals in the first game are rendered irrelevant due to the fact that he is clearly listed as having a set identity in future works, which are consistent.

Tumedus:

Clearing the Eye:

aceman67:

You can say what ever you want, disagree with me for however long you want, but this novel: http://www.starwars.com/shop/books/star_wars_the_old_republic_revan/

Confirms EVERYTHING I have said. And its written by the guy who WROTE the original KOTOR and the SWTOR storylines.

Star Wars novels are considered CANON. Your opinion is moot.

Moot? I see. Now, you've used the word, but I don't think you know what opinion means. Unless you want to take a look at your post there and can honestly argue opinion's a matter of right and wrong, you're (ironically) wrong.

You enjoy your opinion. I'll enjoy mine. We both know who is right, right? :P

Just so you know, you are wrong and aceman is right. The Star Wars universe is very very precise about what is considered canon in its universe. To the point that it has several official, as in legally established by GL and LucasArts, levels of canon to account for any continuity issues.

Regardless of what you think it should be, the canonical Revan from KotOR timeline onward is explicity lightside.

That's what I'm talking about. Everything in the STAR WARS timeline that doesn't contradict the movies is canon. If it adds to the movies, that's just gravy. I remember this one story in TIME saying there's a guy whose entire job is keeping order in the Expanded Universe, and his title is Keeper of the Holocron.

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