DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture

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DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture

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Yosuke Hayashi says Team Ninja won't change the way it represents female characters.

In a recent interview the head of Team Ninja, Yosuke Hayashi, talked about Dead or Alive 5, and what players could expect from the most recent addition to the franchise. Dead or Alive has been notorious for its portrayal of female characters, and naturally the conversation turned to their portrayal in the latest game. What could players expect? Hayashi was unrepentant, claiming that the representation of women in DoA was a part of Japanese culture and Team Ninja wasn't about to change its ways.

"For us, within our culture," said Hayashi, "we're showing women like that, and we're trying to make them look attractive. We can't help if other cultures in other countries around the globe think that it's a bad representation. Within our nationality and within our national borders, we obviously have morals that we create our female characters from, but within our Japanese sensibilities, we've made those characters the way they are and we're not going to stop doing that." He also said it was "common sense" to portray females in the DoA style, though in context he may not have intended the phrase "common sense" in the same way English speakers would understand the term. The full quote reads: "We are a Japanese developer, and we're making the female characters with our common sense and our creative sense. When you take that to countries outside of Japan, it tends to be very misinterpreted in some cases, people considering it sexist or derogatory etc."

Though Hayashi claimed that Dead or Alive 5 would be more sophisticated than its predecessors, it became clear that he was referring to visual style only. "We really wanted to make the game look good in motion," he said, "and not shy away from adding a layer of filth and grit. We're making a game that looks like it could be a blockbuster movie, while being grounded in a fighting game."

Dead or Alive 5, jiggling warts and all, is due out in September 2012 for Xbox 360 and the PS3.

Source: MCV via Joystiq

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>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

Karloff:
We can't help if other cultures in other countries around the globe think that it's a bad representation. Within our nationality and within our national borders, we obviously have morals that we create our female characters from, but within our Japanese sensibilities, we've made those characters the way they are and we're not going to stop doing that."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5531-Twisted-Metal

"Oh, well, that's all right then, as long as you're preserving horrible ideas in the name of tradition. What's good enough for the Catholic church is good enough for you."

Spot on, Yhatzee! Couldn't have said it better myself.

My initial reaction: That'll go over reeeeeal well with the gaming community
Upon further analysis, maybe it will. This isn't the first time the fighting game community has been unapologetic, if not proud to be anywhere from insensitive to discriminatory to female gamers.
Escapist, I wanna know your thoughts; Is this really a defining trait of the fighting-game community, or Japanese culture for that matter, or are these guys just making excuses?

...while I am dissapointed, I'm not surpised. It is Japan after all.

And sexism is a part of fighting game tournament culture. Just because something is 'part of your culture' does not make it fair, accurate or beneficial. Eugenics used to be a part of western culture, slavery was a part of many cultures, so was human sacrifice. Japan is in dire need of changing its depiction of women, hopefully this will happen sooner than later.

Well... at least he's being honest about it, not very many other devs/publishers would just come out and say something like that.

Hey how's that falling birthrate doing? Not that I mind... too many people around here anyway.

Boudica:
...

Did that 80 yo. Spanish lady redo your avatar?

I don't actually see how sexuality is discriminatory. In that line of thought, is Twilight sexist for its shirtless werewolves in skinny jeans?

If anything, isn't it sexist to depict fighting females as all butch and shit? It'd be equal to a whole, girls have to be like guys to fight with them deal.

A girl can dress provocatively and still kick ass.

Uh... don't worry Japan, I'm pretty damn sure that portraying women as jiggly pandering cheesecake isn't specific to your culture.

I'm honestly not sure what that guy's trying to say.

Boudica:
>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

CrossLOPER:
Hey how's that falling birthrate doing? Not that I mind... too many people around here anyway.

Boudica:
...

Did that 80 yo. Spanish lady redo your avatar?

You missed my thread? Catch up, son! Shit!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.385781-Menstrual-Blood-Finger-Painting

Draxz:

Boudica:
>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

I dunno. These ones might explode on hard impact.

*Mental image*

Wings012:
I don't actually see how sexuality is discriminatory. In that line of thought, is Twilight sexist for its shirtless werewolves in skinny jeans?

If anything, isn't it sexist to depict fighting females as all butch and shit? It'd be equal to a whole, girls have to be like guys to fight with them deal.

A girl can dress provocatively and still kick ass.

Anyone going to take this one, or should I? I don't know if I have the strength lol.

I just came here to talk about tits, but uhm... I think Japan in most anime forms, need to calm down on the jiggly-puffs. I can't tell whether or not they're trying over-compensate for a possible reality of a lack of boobage, in Japan but, oh well.

I think this explains my reaction rather well.
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In all seriousness i understand what he means,As a dutchman who likes sinterklaas I know how it feels to have another culture trying to crack down on a part of your own culture because it offends them.

I'm all for a more accurate portrayal of human anatomy, though I haven't actually seen these "breast physics" in action so I have no idea if they look realistic or not! But honestly, you'd think a woman who jumps around a lot kicking at the air and doing backflips had the sensibilities to put on a sports bra or something!

Outside of the bedroom, bouncing breasts are nothing but annoying. (Ok, running down the beach in slow-motion wearing tight red swimsuits is fair enough I guess) But boobs, am I right guys?

rolfwesselius:
I think this explains my reaction rather well.
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In all seriousness i understand what he means,As a dutchman who likes sinterklaas I know how it feels to have another culture trying to crack down on a part of your own culture because it offends them.

People are offended by Santa? What is this shit?!

Boudica:

Draxz:

Boudica:
>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

I dunno. These ones might explode on hard impact.

*Mental image*

Sounds messy and kinda brutal... I think the recoil on whoever's face might go flying in the opposite direction, into the sky, Anime-style.

But in reality, I like to believe it's like a pair of mobile-pillows.. Or airbags that save lives. Without Japanese-anime nose bleeds, at anything relates to sex.

Draxz:

Boudica:

Draxz:

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

I dunno. These ones might explode on hard impact.

*Mental image*

Sounds messy and kinda brutal... I think the recoil on whoever's face might go flying in the opposite direction, into the sky, Anime-style.

But in reality, I like to believe it's like a pair of mobile-pillows.. Or airbags that save lives. Without Japanese-anime nose bleeds, at anything relates to sex.

You sleep on all of your girlfriends, don't you lol.

Video game media has recently been bringing up the issue of the sexualisation in Video Games.

It's good to see Team Ninja is still incredibly out of touch.

Boudica:
You missed my thread? Catch up, son! Shit!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.385781-Menstrual-Blood-Finger-Painting

Meh, I seen plenty of that in my life.

Boudica:

Draxz:

Boudica:
>Implies breasts larger than your head look attractive.

lolwut

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

I dunno. These ones might explode on hard impact.

*Mental image*

... and thank you for that image. I was beginning to doubt my mental insanity.

OT: if this works, maybe we all should claim that "being a douche" is part of our culture?

Part of your culture? So your saying it's an endowment for the humanities?

I could make a mean spirited joke asking why Japan doesn't seem to have much jiggle physics outside of videogames (except on sumo wrestlers), but I won't.

Lol at the idea that anyone expected DoA to change ever.

I'm perfectly happy with people having their fanservicey games and DoA is just that. Though I don't think all fighting games should go in this direction (I'm looking at you, Soul Calibur!).

Vampire cat:
I'm all for a more accurate portrayal of human anatomy, though I haven't actually seen these "breast physics" in action so I have no idea if they look realistic or not! But honestly, you'd think a woman who jumps around a lot kicking at the air and doing backflips had the sensibilities to put on a sports bra or something!

Outside of the bedroom, bouncing breasts are nothing but annoying. (Ok, running down the beach in slow-motion wearing tight red swimsuits is fair enough I guess) But boobs, am I right guys?

I think they do the physics on each breast independantly, which can lead to one-boob-up one-boob-down weirdness.
I agree with the sports bra though, it just looks painful to me, having those things constantly clanging around.

People focus on breasts because it's an obvious thing, but the fact that people focus on this stuff alone is sexist. Why are the big jiggly boobs any more sexist that the muscles on the dudes?
DoA takes the human form to it's extremes, meaning the obvious stuff like breasts are exagerated, but that's not the only thing that is exagerated in these games, it's just the convenient thing for these discussions. I mean, how long have DoA breast physics been a focal point for discussions on sexism in games? - forever, well at least since DoA volleyball.

We know! - we know that in DoA the girls have rediculous boobs, we know that they don't represent women, just like we know the big muscled dudes with chisled jaws don't represent men. I really think that a lot of women make assumptions and get the wrong idea with this stuff. I mean, we might see a DoA character, and only ever look at the jiggly boobs, but that's just it - we're appreciating the boobs, we aren't somehow confused and thinking that those boobs represent women, or womens boobs, or anything except for an exageration designed to target a deep-seeded genetic reflex that we have no control over. It's not fair to hate on men for looking at boobs, that is like men hating on women for having a period.

Besides, I always thought the most sexual fighting game character was Cammy (camel-toe Cammy) from StreetFighter, and she doesn't have big breasts at all.

I'm glad to hear this from the very splendid Team Ninja.

They won't stop making games that feature women with big bouncing breasts.

And I won't stop buying them.

It's not my responsibility to make change where I don't think it's necessary and don't want to see it. You want change? *You* do your best to make it happen. I'll fight you with all the pennies in my wallet, and money speaks louder than words.

Boudica:

Draxz:

Sounds messy and kinda brutal... I think the recoil on whoever's face might go flying in the opposite direction, into the sky, Anime-style.

But in reality, I like to believe it's like a pair of mobile-pillows.. Or airbags that save lives. Without Japanese-anime nose bleeds, at anything relates to sex.

You sleep on all of your girlfriends, don't you lol.

I try every now and again but I have to over-compensate like Japan and believe their boobs are 30 times bigger than what they actually are... :/

Kargathia:

Boudica:

Draxz:

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

I dunno. These ones might explode on hard impact.

*Mental image*

... and thank you for that image. I was beginning to doubt my mental insanity.

OT: if this works, maybe we all should claim that "being a douche" is part of our culture?

Walk past an old lady, push her over and step on her head as you go.

"It's cool. Douchey culture."

Boudica:

rolfwesselius:
I think this explains my reaction rather well.
image
In all seriousness i understand what he means,As a dutchman who likes sinterklaas I know how it feels to have another culture trying to crack down on a part of your own culture because it offends them.

People are offended by Santa? What is this shit?!

Pfft santa is the americanised version of sinterklaas.
And it's not sinterklaas their offended by, it's Black pete his helper they find it racist that sinterklaas's helpers are black and he arrives by boat, Some Americans think of it as an allegory for the celebration of slavery

Kargathia:

Boudica:

Draxz:

I think it's more the 'attraction' of knowing you'll be safe, when airbags save lives.

I dunno. These ones might explode on hard impact.

*Mental image*

... and thank you for that image. I was beginning to doubt my mental insanity.

You were?! Aren't you glad that airbags do save lives?! ... And sanity...

rolfwesselius:

Boudica:

rolfwesselius:
I think this explains my reaction rather well.
image
In all seriousness i understand what he means,As a dutchman who likes sinterklaas I know how it feels to have another culture trying to crack down on a part of your own culture because it offends them.

People are offended by Santa? What is this shit?!

Pfft santa is the americanised version of sinterklaas.
And it's not sinterklaas their offended by, it's Black pete his helper they find it racist that sinterklaas's helpers are black and he arrives by boat, Some Americans think of it as an allegory for the celebration of slavery

Oohh. Well, I see their issue with it. You know us humans, we tend to project our own issues onto others. But I know nothing about it besides what you just said, so I can't comment.

It's weird they're trying to justify this. I think most people in the community accept that there are certain games and franchises that are meant to pander to certain base desires. We can't expect everyone to take the high ground. This is Team Ninja we're talking about. They raped Samus! What did you guys expect?

Fappy:
It's weird they're trying to justify this. I think most people in the community accept that there are certain games and franchises that are meant to pander to certain base desires. We can't expect everyone to take the high ground. This is Team Ninja we're talking about. They raped Samus! What did you guys expect?

Isn't Team Ninja doing rather poorly financially? Samus will have her revenge when the company falls! *evil laughter*

Samus takes her revenge serious.

I'm not sure where we went from "cool, breasts" to "this is degrading sexism and should be banned forthright and within all games!" in the last 5 years or developers having to "justify" their character design decisions to people feminists, but something went horribly horribly wrong.

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