Hindus Ask PAX To Drop Smite

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Oh, what a shame, your god is a in a game and is a character beating other gods up. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find at least one game that essentially says my whole church is a corrupt evil empire and my god is either fictional, dead, and/or evil. Cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it.

Anyways, I support there trying to follow their ideals but I don't think they are going to get anywhere. Gamers don't give a shit.

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I think you'd get a lot of favor from Kali if you sacrificed another deity to her.

Sleekit:

The Plunk:
I trust the Penny Arcade guys to stand up to these enemies of free speech.

still no characters from the Abrahamic religions i see.

why is that exactly ?..

oh yes...they are shitebags.

still /golfcalp in the name of "freedom of speech" eh ?..

especially when its quite clear they won't actually dare offend anyone who might actually be able to mess with them in return.

cowards.

An organization is nothing more than "Lots and lots of individuals", so you just contradicted yourself here. And people are allowed to have a say in what is or isn't approved for kickstarter? If you don't like it, don't fund it! It's not like anyone other than those interested in the product being developed are paying for anything. Kickstarter's just a communication medium and safety net for investors.

samahain:
Is it me or maybe, just maybe, some Hinduists are losing focus here.
I understand defending your beliefs, however they ought to understand that it is NOT their deity on screen. It's a character with a cool name.

I want to see Jesus in a fighting game. Why not??? Huh?

up+b is his special attack and he can regain all his health that he may have lost.

As a Christian, I wouldd buy that DLC

>inb4 Penny Arcade makes a comic about it

Krantos:
What they really need to do is balance the books.

Make Jesus a playable character.

Not quite sure how that would work given his philosophy, but they should make it work.

As a Christian myself, I would love to see that and imagine The Man would get a kick out of it.

Rather dying for your ideals than use violence does not exactly constitute a good video game protagonist in a fighting game.

Fruit fucking robots care not of God's and Men...

*cough

These guys are almost as annoying as the people bitching about the new Dante. At least they have a valid argument tho. Take the Hindu Gods out of your game. Show some respect and or decency. We get it, your ploy for free advertising has worked.

I really wish it was a...

...multiplayer fighting game featuring gods from various pantheons going at each other in divine, one-on-one combat...

...but it's actually more of a 3rd person DotA clone.

I explained my position before, when the Universal Society of Hinduism was still negotiating, I guess. My position hasn't changed: This still seems more like a stink to put the USH on the map, and not really a gross offense to all Hindus everywhere.

False inclusion is a common tactic of extremist religious groups, and a common presumption of journalists who report on them: a radical Christian group denounces women's access to reproductive services and it's reported as if that group represents all of Christendom.[1] Likewise, the USH is a small organization who's just been loud on this one issue, and to the detriment of the Hindu people at large.

It is notable that Hellenists were offended when Disney's hijacked-by-Jesus movie Hercules was released. And no one cared. It was even marketed in Greece so as to maximize offense.

If I were running a church, and my god was being improperly depicted in a game, I'd help the developers get it right. Is Kali really a blood drinking vampiress? I gathered she was more about destruction of the old in anticipation of renewal. But I'm not up on my Hindu mythology.

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[1] This is to say that when a Christian group states their position, say, implying that all Christians accept young-Earth creationism and reject evolutionary biology, it's a good thing to stand up for your church and state that those radicals over there don't speak for your denomination. Otherwise, we secularists start to wonder if Christians are just a generally cuckoo lot.

I get the concerns these guys have, but... honestly, it is far too late to be complaining on the eve of the event. I have no doubt that it would be extraordinarily expensive to pull SMITE right now even if the Penny Arcade guys actually wanted to. They probably don't even have time to move the booth out of the room now.

I got an invite for the open beta of Smite, so I'm enjoying the massive lack of pre-release fucks that I don't give.

So why is this an issue now? I don't remember anyone freaking out about the Shin Megami Tensei games. And those games feature all of the major deities from Hinduism. Every other major religion too for that matter.

I can understand being upset about it, but at the end of the day, you just have to get over it and ignore it if you don't like it. I read plenty on these forums on how my beliefs are for superstitious idiots and are a subjugating tool. Eventually, you just have to say, "Whatever, why should I give a shit what you think? Amen."

I am Greek and I am offended by the portrayal of the Greek gods in God of War. Remove God of War from conventions.

Seriously, get over it.

Woodsey:

Sleekit:

The Plunk:
I trust the Penny Arcade guys to stand up to these enemies of free speech.

still no characters from the Abrahamic religions i see.

why is that exactly ?..

oh yes...they are shitebags.

still /golfcalp in the name of "freedom of speech" eh ?..

especially when its quite clear they won't actually dare offend anyone who might actually be able to mess with them in return.

cowards.

Their job is not to include all the religions you've taken up a personal beef with. You might have noticed that Hindu deities are rather interesting looking, whilst anyone important in Christianity, Judaism and Islam is a bloke with a beard. So yeah, no shit they're not included.

So... like pretty much most mage characters in video games?

It's lazy design if you think that way though. Jesus and the Abrahamic religions have a wealth of Middle Eastern culture and style to create character designs from... and that's not including the Greek and Roman influences on the various depictions of Christian idols (although that particular word is tricky given the ten commandments).

But of course they wouldn't try that, since they'd get into real trouble in the US. Like Plunk says, they're ignoring the complaint because they can, not through any sense of ethics.

Not that I give a crap either way, I'm not going to play that game anyway. 3D DOTA doesn't seem that thrilling to me.

Oh my f...why does this...

At the very least, it is Penny Arcade, they're not going to give in to this crap.

That definitely seems like something Tycho and Gabe would agree to.
Yeah.

*Be part of a caste system that denies millions basic human rights and equalities*
*Focus on a game slightly mocking their belief systems*

Does anyone think the people attacking this might have got their priorities wrong?

"Religion ... has certain ideas at the heart of it which we call sacred or holy or whatever. What it means is, 'Here is an idea or a notion that you're not allowed to say anything bad about; you're just not. Why not? - because you're not!' If somebody votes for a party that you don't agree with, you're free to argue about it as much as you like; everybody will have an argument but nobody feels aggrieved by it. If someone thinks taxes should go up or down you are free to have an argument about it. But on the other hand is somebody says 'I mustn't move a light switch on a Saturday', you say, 'I respect that'.
Why should it be that it's perfectly legitimate to support the Labour party or the Conservative party, Republicans or Democrats, this model of economics versus that, Macintosh instead of Windows - but to have an opinion about how the Universe began, about who created the Universe ... no, that's holy? ... We are used to not challenging religious ideas but it's very interesting how much of a furore Richard (Dawkins) creates when he does it! Everybody gets absolutely frantic about it because you're not allowed to say these things. Yet when you look at it rationally there is no reason why those ideas shouldn't be as open to debate as any other, except that we have agreed somehow between us that they shouldn't be.
"

I, like Dawkins, will never grow tired of sharing the words of Douglas Adams.

Can this Zed guy go fuck off now?

Yeah, you guys don't like Smite. We get it. No need to scream about it 50 times.

Dudes... I'm a Christian who plays The Binding of Isaac. Guess what I think about your feelings being hurt by a game.

Spartan1362:
"Religion ... has certain ideas at the heart of it which we call sacred or holy or whatever. What it means is, 'Here is an idea or a notion that you're not allowed to say anything bad about; you're just not. Why not? - because you're not!' If somebody votes for a party that you don't agree with, you're free to argue about it as much as you like; everybody will have an argument but nobody feels aggrieved by it. If someone thinks taxes should go up or down you are free to have an argument about it. But on the other hand is somebody says 'I mustn't move a light switch on a Saturday', you say, 'I respect that'.
Why should it be that it's perfectly legitimate to support the Labour party or the Conservative party, Republicans or Democrats, this model of economics versus that, Macintosh instead of Windows - but to have an opinion about how the Universe began, about who created the Universe ... no, that's holy? ... We are used to not challenging religious ideas but it's very interesting how much of a furore Richard (Dawkins) creates when he does it! Everybody gets absolutely frantic about it because you're not allowed to say these things. Yet when you look at it rationally there is no reason why those ideas shouldn't be as open to debate as any other, except that we have agreed somehow between us that they shouldn't be.
"

I, like Dawkins, will never grow tired of sharing the words of Douglas Adams.

Respect for the avatar! <high-five>

Also, it's a fair quote. I find that it goes the other way a bit often these days, but it's fair.

yes we know you are offend but have you heard of just getting over the fact it offends you or ingnoring the game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali
from what i can see kali wear more clothes in the game the in the picture of the god

no really she is topless
in the game she is not topless
i don't see this guys problem with her depiction in the game

Kargathia:

Krantos:
What they really need to do is balance the books.

Make Jesus a playable character.

Not quite sure how that would work given his philosophy, but they should make it work.

As a Christian myself, I would love to see that and imagine The Man would get a kick out of it.

Rather dying for your ideals than use violence does not exactly constitute a good video game protagonist in a fighting game.

Please, Jesus would totally scrounge up a scourge from somewhere and give those other gods a good whipping. Because that's how he rolls.

You know, for some reason, I used to think of the Hindu religion as smarter than this, more apt to being above this kind of bull than other religions.

Wish I wasn't wrong, but I clearly was.

Lillowh:
They're offended? So what. It's a game. Are they trying to accurately depict your magical being that has no proof of existance? No? Then cry harder, because this is the real world, and those characters have every right to be in this game because not only are they fictional, they're also not owned by anyone, so it's not a problem. Disagreeing with their right to put them in the game just makes you scum who wants to keep speech limited to what you want the ignorant to hear. Sounds familiar... oh yeah:

Andy Chalk:
"Videogame makers should be more sensitive while handling faith related subjects, as these games left lasting impact on the minds of highly impressionable children, teens and other young people."

...and how is religion different? Have fun teaching young people to continue to be closed minded believers of something whose existance in stted in a book that is in no way different than a fairy tale so they act the way you want them to.

Yikes, tone down the atheist rage dude. Disagreeing with it doesn't make them scum, it just makes them normal. The deities may be fake to you but they very much believe in their existence; by extension feeling they should be held in a place of reverence.

They're not planning a protest, they're not suing the studio, and this is not trying to bully PAX into dropping the company from the convention.(bullying would be trying to get PAX evicted from the convention center unless they dropped the company from the roster) They're trying to put pressure on the company any way they can and one of the well accepted ways of getting a business to change what it's doing is by taking aim at their wallet. Hell the gaming community does it, or at least tries to, all the time.

There is nothing wrong with what they are doing, but it is a little sad when you stop to think about it. They're trying to get people other than themselves to care and there is just not a single fuck left spare. I'd say don't get mad at them, frustrated maybe but not mad. It's certainly loads less stressful on your health than knee jerk rage. (Hinduism is also pretty low on the "evil religions" list since they're kinda mellow in their teachings as it is. So you know, pick something not so benign to be angry over.)

Triforceformer:

The Plunk:
I trust the Penny Arcade guys to stand up to these enemies of free speech.

To be fair, Hi-Rez are being dickheads. I mean, just look at Kali. That's just being a dickhead.

Edit: And the Hindus aren't opposing Free Speech. They're expressing THEIR right to THEIR free speech to say they don't like what Hi-Rez are doing and are politely asking conventions to not support the game. It works both way. Shocking, I'm sure.

Just look at her? Have you seen actual classic depictions of Kali? Just Google her and take a look, they aren't that far off. They'd be closer if she were wearing less clothes and a necklace of heads, though.

It is simple. The Hindus have the right to complain, and Hi-Rez Studio has the right to tell them to shove it (not in so many words perhaps). Both have exercised their right. All is well.

I don't support the banning of these characters, but the headline would be better if it said "Hindu Organization Asks PAX To Drop Smite" - this organization does not represent every follower of Hinduism after all.

Kali is also in a game where you shoot yourself in the head to summon it from your inner being.

edit: But to be fair, they do have a right to be offended. I'm just saying that this isn't the only instance of divine beings being used as game characters.

I love how people think that, because they dont believe in someone's religion, they have a right to mock the people who do. I think they dont need to have the gods in and it was a dum idea to only use hindu gods in the first place out of the main practiced religions, as if hinduism is the only religion you dont have to respect. They arent making any sort of statement, which is fine, however because of that theres no real reason to press ahead with it aside from insensitivity. Also asking that a private corporation not do business with another private corporation because you find it offensive is not attacking free speech.

beniki:

Woodsey:

Sleekit:
still no characters from the Abrahamic religions i see.

why is that exactly ?..

oh yes...they are shitebags.

still /golfcalp in the name of "freedom of speech" eh ?..

especially when its quite clear they won't actually dare offend anyone who might actually be able to mess with them in return.

cowards.

Their job is not to include all the religions you've taken up a personal beef with. You might have noticed that Hindu deities are rather interesting looking, whilst anyone important in Christianity, Judaism and Islam is a bloke with a beard. So yeah, no shit they're not included.

So... like pretty much most mage characters in video games?

It's lazy design if you think that way though. Jesus and the Abrahamic religions have a wealth of Middle Eastern culture and style to create character designs from... and that's not including the Greek and Roman influences on the various depictions of Christian idols (although that particular word is tricky given the ten commandments).

But of course they wouldn't try that, since they'd get into real trouble in the US. Like Plunk says, they're ignoring the complaint because they can, not through any sense of ethics.

Not that I give a crap either way, I'm not going to play that game anyway. 3D DOTA doesn't seem that thrilling to me.

Oh please, how many people think of anything like that when they think of Jesus or the Abrahamic god? You and three other people, the designers probably haven't. And as already mentioned, the others all seem to be religions with pantheons (or at least a few gods, not sure about the Chinese ones).

This is as petty as demanding comedians make Muslim jokes just because people have some perverse sense of "what's fair". You know why comedians don't do them? Because most of them wouldn't know enough about Islam to make the jokes and let's face it, nor would the audience. The only difference here is that the Abrahamic god is far too familiar.

If they DID want to do use the Abrahamic god, then fine - they're all fictional characters, they're all fair game. But they don't, and you've really no decent argument for them to do so. Beyond, again, that perverse sense of "what's fair" and bending over backwards with the design just to get them in there.

Stripes:
I love how people think that, because they dont believe in someone's religion, they have a right to mock the people who do. I think they dont need to have the gods in and it was a dum idea to only use hindu gods in the first place out of the main practiced religions, as if hinduism is the only religion you dont have to respect. They arent making any sort of statement, which is fine, however because of that theres no real reason to press ahead with it aside from insensitivity. Also asking that a private corporation not do business with another private corporation because you find it offensive is not attacking free speech.

Perhaps some people need to realise that just because something's important to them doesn't make it untouchable. No one's taking a shit a temple floor, it's a game. Precisely how much will this affect anything at all? Well, probably about as much as the other times Kali's been featured in games: fuck all.

Designers can do what they want.

kortin:

Woodsey:
Arguably, but the Greek and Norse gods are certainly more exotic then Jesus. All the other religions included seem to be ones with pantheons of gods, as well.

All of the Norse and Greek gods also have a theme. Thor has thunder and his hammer. Ares is a paragon of War. The theme with Jesus is "hey, I'm the son of god...yeah, I got a robe and shit". I just can't see that as interesting.

well, for one, he has an endless supply of projectiles...
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Krantos:
What they really need to do is balance the books.

Make Jesus a playable character.

Not quite sure how that would work given his philosophy, but they should make it work.

As a Christian myself, I would love to see that and imagine The Man would get a kick out of it.

I got it make him a specialist fighter. He would only be able to harrn his opponent by "turning the other cheek", then countering them.

Also Muhammed would be invisible, and Moses.... Well... At least we've got his taunt figured out.

samahain:
Is it me or maybe, just maybe, some Hinduists are losing focus here.
I understand defending your beliefs, however they ought to understand that it is NOT their deity on screen. It's a character with a cool name.

I want to see Jesus in a fighting game. Why not??? Huh?

Totally! Give him a long, black, Van Hellsing-style trenchcoat and a cross as a waraxe/hammer and you've got a badass character.

St. Peter can come too.

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