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Frauds Plague Steam's Greenlight

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Steam's Greenlight service has deleted five versions of Half Life 3.

The problem with opening up a service to the internet community is that the internet is large and full of trolls. Steam knew that its Greenlight service - intended to help choose the games that will get a Steam release - would be manipulated by the less-than-altruistic as soon as it launched. It didn't take long before games that existed in name only or were obvious attempts to troll - Half Life 3, Left 4 Dead 3, Best WTC Plane Simulator - turned up on the Greenlight submissions list, and Steam has been deleting them as soon as they pop up.

One Steam Greenlight user commented that "I've already seen just in the last HOUR two entries for Mass Effect 3, five various entries for Half Life 3 ... That's not including patently offensive games," like the 9/11 plane simulator. Steam has already asked for the community's help in policing Greenlight. "The community has already been active in reporting fraudulent or gag items. To help keep control on this volume of bad submissions, please us the 'report' function to call out games that you think are fraudulent, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate."

At time of writing Greenlight has over 740 games in its queue, including pretty much anything you can think of. Old West games, fantasy RPGs, strategy, horror, racing games, train games; if you want to manage a nightclub empire, be tormented by a Czech devil, jump platforms through the underworld or help something altogether different get distributed, Greenlight is there to meet your needs. Just no Half Life 3. Sorry 'bout that.

Source: Steam, Joystiq

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Did a comic and article about this very thing! Click image for my review of greenlight.

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(cliffnotes version): great idea to get great games that might fall through the cracks into steam... but it's abused by clones, copyright infringements, mods, wishlisted items, and bad student projects. also, not a fan of them letting in pre-alpha state games, it should be polished, finished, ready to publish games only!

Yeah its a joke at this point.
Ive seen Battlefield 3 on there a good dozen times, all sadly posted by Russians who thought they would actually somehow magically bring BF3 to Steam.

I guess three really IS a crowd.

This is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, we've been waiting 8 years now, 5 since Episode 2 and we have not seen or heard a peep of anything, we don't even know if it is still in production.

But it's not like Valve hasn't been doing anything, Portal, Left 4 Dead (and SOOO many maps), Team Fortress 2's endless updates including huge stuff like Mann vs Machine and even time for Counterstrike GO.

Greenlight is great, but it only serves to highlight the elephant in the room of Valve's most anticipated game that they are so silent on.

Coffinshaker:
Did a comic and article about this very thing! Click image for my review of greenlight.

http://coffin-comics.jesterbrand.com/2012/09/03/greenlighting/

Cutting a little-close to self-promotion, even if it is relevant. It's OK to link to someone else, but I'd fear moderation linking to your own stuff.

At the very least you need to write an opinion or add to discussion before you link to your stuff... discretely.

This Greenlight thing is a huge pile of shit. It went just as i predicted. filled to the brim with generic uninteresting games, lazily made, 50% of wich are blatant ripoffs of other games, without any imagination or effort to differentiate and add interesting thigns to them.

Trolls will be trolls, just flag them and move on.

Also I love the multiple choice Captcha questions, I laugh almost everytime.

I expected nothing less. It's like giving a ballot box and a ton of papers to a monkey enclosure at the zoo. If you leave them to it the box will be shredded and the papers, if they don't eat them first, will all be covered in faeces and strewn about the place with no order or intent.

I think it does have potential though and I can definitely see Valve and their Steam-powered army putting the effort in to regulate it. Eventually.

It was always gonna be filled with bullshit at first. Give it a week to a month for valve to cull all the shit and then Greenlight will really start to shine.

Heh, and to think, Valve has been dealing with this for years now.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's why they put Greenlight up. So they wouldn't have to deal with these fakes and whatnot.

It's what I'd do, at least.

Well what do you expect, this was bound to happen one way or another (Mountain Dew anyone?). At least Valve is doing its best to remove the offensive ones as soon as it can. Give it a week and this'll blow over.

Greenlight drinking game:

1. Pick a random page
2. Take a predetermined unit (ie, a finger, a "sup", a shot, or whatever) for each of the following: (take 3 for any that are a combination of 2, 5 for any combination of 3, 7 for 4 and so on)
A. Steampunk
B. Zombies
C. Obvious Rip-off of existing popular game. (Double up if it's a free game)
D. A survival horror where the "twist" is that it's first person but not a shooter.
E. [Job] simulator. (You'll know these when you see them)
F. Stolen assets/Copyright infringement.
3. Repeat until all but one player is unconscious and/or dead.

Treblaine:
This is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, we've been waiting 8 years now, 5 since Episode 2 and we have not seen or heard a peep of anything, we don't even know if it is still in production.

But it's not like Valve hasn't been doing anything, Portal, Left 4 Dead (and SOOO many maps), Team Fortress 2's endless updates including huge stuff like Mann vs Machine and even time for Counterstrike GO.

Greenlight is great, but it only serves to highlight the elephant in the room of Valve's most anticipated game that they are so silent on.

It indeed is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, but only due to the continuous and unrelenting squealing of fanboys every time they find another way to tell themselves that Valve maybe is secretly working on it after all.

Edit: factual correctness.

Can we honestly just stop mentioning HL3 in every thread relating to Valve? It gets a bit tiresome when some people can't even talk about the subject at hand without twisting it back around to that one game they keep saying they want more than a wish granting genie which isn't being made yet.

As for Greenlight, yeah, big surprise there are issues when it just came out. It's something no company has ever done before and Valve are literally striking new ground with it. Kind of like they did when they originally released Steam. Getting all doom and gloom about it is a bit silly before they've had the chance to work on ironing out the problems. I've no doubt that it will run much more smoothly in the future.

Hell, if it's doing a decent job of weeding out the fakes and the thieves already then in time it may work as disincentive to their trying to get past the crowd if it's not working.

You even receive a thank for reporting them.

Was odd to receive an email from valve that was not a receipt. =p

draythefingerless:
This Greenlight thing is a huge pile of shit. It went just as i predicted. filled to the brim with generic uninteresting games, lazily made, 50% of wich are blatant ripoffs of other games, without any imagination or effort to differentiate and add interesting thigns to them.

I dunno, I think sifting through the cruft is worth it. It reminds me a bit of the App Store and its jailbroken equivalents, Cydia and Installous. All three services are fraught with knock-offs of actually popular games with a quick reskin and a name swap.

I think these are made to fool the same kind of person who gets gypped by mockbusters.

Kid: "Grandpa, I wanna see Sherlock Holmes!" *kid points to the Robert Downey Jr. movie*
Grandpa: *eventually ends up buying The Asylum's Sherlock Holmes flick, thinking it's the right thing*

Between Cut the Rope and Feed the Monster, the only difference is the critter's design and the overall colour palette. I'm terribly sorry for what I'm about to say and I know it sounds unbelievably racist - but these knock-off apps usually are recognizable by the name of their publisher.

Chillingo? Yeah, sure, sounds legit. Chen-Zui Rong? And the app description is filled with Engrish? Yeah, no. Not gonna buy.

There's one very important point in that article, which is that people need to grow some basic Internet street smarts. Having an antivirus and some sort of anti-spyware solution won't cut it anymore. The way I see things, casual surfing never really existed. No single program will ever be able to filter the 'net thoroughly, so you're better off learning to do it yourself.

I get the feeling that Valve had to deal with kind of crap even before they started Greenlight.

Despite the problems seen thus far, Greenlight is fairly promising, if only for getting glimpses of potential gems like Bleed or No Time To Explain or Melody's Escape. Survival horror isn't really my thing, but Routine looks promising as well. You just gotta shift your way through a fair amount of crud to find neat things. Also, it looks like it takes a lot of votes to get a game published, so if you guys could vote for Bleed and NTTE so I could eventually play them, I would really appreciate it, as would the developers and fellow Steam players, I'm sure.

actually i think this is going to be bloody good service, once they manage to sort out the issues.

I look forward to seeing how it goes.

on a side note bleed looks awesome sciencedude.

That's not including patently offensive games," like the 9/11 plane simulator

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>_>

I uh....uhm..

uhhhhhh

Kargathia:

Treblaine:
This is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, we've been waiting 8 years now, 5 since Episode 2 and we have not seen or heard a peep of anything, we don't even know if it is still in production.

But it's not like Valve hasn't been doing anything, Portal, Left 4 Dead (and SOOO many maps), Team Fortress 2's endless updates including huge stuff like Mann vs Machine and even time for Counterstrike GO.

Greenlight is great, but it only serves to highlight the elephant in the room of Valve's most anticipated game that they are so silent on.

I wouldn't exactly call it "the elephant in the room" when they've explicitly stated they're not working on it right now.

It indeed is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, but only due to the continuous and unrelenting squealing of fanboys every time they find another way to tell themselves that Valve maybe is secretly working on it after all.

Hmm, need a source on that. I find nowhere that Valve were explicit that no further Half Life instalments were in development.

Sounds like inflammatory untruthes. 2/10 nice try, got me to rely.

Well I think it is an elephant as every time "Valve is (about to) do something" Half Life 3 inevitably comes up and I think the part of that is we just are given SO LITTLE, not even a hint, nothing, nada, zippo, not a tease, nothing. Yes they say they are working on it but it's still worrying that we don't see anything for such a popular and loved series that ended on quite a cliffhanger.

Have you played Half Life up to Episode 2? It ends on quite a cliffhanger and there was the latent promise of immediate follow up with Episode 1 and 2 following quite readily after Half Life 2

This is a bit like if after Empire Strikes Back, leaving on that cliffhanger of Vader's reveal and the capture of Han Solo as Luke and Leia look out over the Galaxy... yet half a decade later there is no word of any further instalment, no sight of Return of the Jedi. Oh, they say they are working on it but imagine if the director and studio in that time released a load of other films, really great films, but everyone was wondering what was going on in the mean time.

I mean Bioshock 1 has been release, a mini sequel and Bioshock Infinite has been made in this same time span since merely the last episodic instalment. This is no mere "squealing" which I find a particularly mean-spirited characterisation.

But I'm not surprised at the backlash at Half Life, it's mainly from console players who would rather play the latest degree iteration of Call Of Duty: Aim-Assist Warfare and have consternation at a series like Half Life getting acclaim when it's not about burly military men shooting endless waves of Russians in the exact same way over, and over, and over again but rather about the purity of FPS immersion and seamless storytelling.

Treblaine:
But I'm not surprised at the backlash at Half Life, it's mainly from console players who would rather play the latest degree iteration of Call Of Duty: Aim-Assist Warfare and have consternation at a series like Half Life getting acclaim when it's not about burly military men shooting endless waves of Russians in the exact same way over, and over, and over again but rather about the purity of FPS immersion and seamless storytelling.

No, no it's not. It's about people sick of very vocal fans of a single presumably-aborted franchise bringing up a non-existent, no-longer-relevant game in EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE about the largest, most popular digital-distribution company. And yes, I have played Half-life and Half-life 2.

And I'm mostly a PC gamer.

Whoo-boy! That doesn't even include some of the... uh, more "risque" content slipped on there too.

It does make things interesting though, I'll say that. Kinda want to just sift through everything and see if someone managed to slip in "Half Elf Tentacle Assault Hyper-Extending Edition 2.0, Wrath of The Slime Girls!" anywhere!

I noticed a number of 'em looked less than legit, although I haven't seen anything offensive though. I have seen a number of obvious Minecraft clones.

- give greenlight some time.
some things just don't work instantly, especially when it's reliant on other people.

- also can someone please tell me something?
when exactly did valve say they were working on HL3?

i'm getting tired of fan whines saying they're delaying it when they have never said they were working on it to begin with.

and yes, i know about the episodes but i'm also sure that was discontinued

THX

And yet we don't have No One Lives Forever games on Steam.

Scow2:

Treblaine:
But I'm not surprised at the backlash at Half Life, it's mainly from console players who would rather play the latest degree iteration of Call Of Duty: Aim-Assist Warfare and have consternation at a series like Half Life getting acclaim when it's not about burly military men shooting endless waves of Russians in the exact same way over, and over, and over again but rather about the purity of FPS immersion and seamless storytelling.

No, no it's not. It's about people sick of very vocal fans of a single presumably-aborted franchise bringing up a non-existent, no-longer-relevant game in EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE about the largest, most popular digital-distribution company. And yes, I have played Half-life and Half-life 2.

And I'm mostly a PC gamer.

Oh come on, why is this so much with Half Life but not with the likes of Mass Effect or other fandoms?

No longer relevant? Yahtzee has said often enough that he's fed up with what passes for innovation in 2012 being nothing but catching up with what Valve did in 2004. Half Life 2 and episodes were hugely popular and ended on a cliffhanger with promise of resolution. It's very relevant.

And it is very relevant in this article WHICH DIRECTLY ADDRESSES HALF LIFE 3!!!!

"Steam's Greenlight service has deleted five versions of Half Life 3..."

" It didn't take long before games that existed in name only or were obvious attempts to troll - Half Life 3, Left 4 Dead 3,"

""I've already seen just in the last HOUR two entries for Mass Effect 3, five various entries for Half Life 3 ... ""

"Greenlight is there to meet your needs. Just no Half Life 3. Sorry 'bout that."

Four. Four references. Somehow not relevant.

This is nothing but backlash of "well I don't care, but I care that you care".

draythefingerless:
This Greenlight thing is a huge pile of shit. It went just as i predicted. filled to the brim with generic uninteresting games, lazily made, 50% of wich are blatant ripoffs of other games, without any imagination or effort to differentiate and add interesting thigns to them.

What's the matter with rip-offs?

Imagine if after Doom or Quake it was verboten to be "so unoriginal" to make an FPS. Remember for the first 10 years of FPS games they were all called "doom clones" or when in 3D "Quake clones".

As long as the rip-offs are good and not level-by-level clones then what is the problem?

Why is it OK for a developer to make a very similar derivative just as long as they call it a sequel?

Treblaine:

draythefingerless:
This Greenlight thing is a huge pile of shit. It went just as i predicted. filled to the brim with generic uninteresting games, lazily made, 50% of wich are blatant ripoffs of other games, without any imagination or effort to differentiate and add interesting thigns to them.

What's the matter with rip-offs?

Imagine if after Doom or Quake it was verboten to be "so unoriginal" to make an FPS. Remember for the first 10 years of FPS games they were all called "doom clones" or when in 3D "Quake clones".

As long as the rip-offs are good and not level-by-level clones then what is the problem?

Why is it OK for a developer to make a very similar derivative just as long as they call it a sequel?

you DO notice the part in my post where i mention they are ripoffs with irrelevant levels of differentiation or imagination inputted right? im not the kind of guy who would call evth a COD clone, but i know blatant lazy ripoffs when i see them. all over the GreenLight pages.

I saw one that was an African American simulator. The picture was a prison. Obvious BS. Reported and moved on.

Kargathia:

I wouldn't exactly call it "the elephant in the room" when they've explicitly stated they're not working on it right now.

It indeed is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, but only due to the continuous and unrelenting squealing of fanboys every time they find another way to tell themselves that Valve maybe is secretly working on it after all.

Actually, it's quite the opposite.

Gabe Newell himself has said that they are currently working on Half-Life 3. And, that they have been since Episode 2 finished.

I'm not sure where people keep getting this idea that they're not. Kind of puzzling, really.

Relevant link: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/04/23/gabe-on-ricochet-2-delay-but-he-doesnt-mean-ricochet/

DEaViL:

- also can someone please tell me something?
when exactly did valve say they were working on HL3?

i'm getting tired of fan whines saying they're delaying it when they have never said they were working on it to begin with.

and yes, i know about the episodes but i'm also sure that was discontinued

THX

Vivi22:
Can we honestly just stop mentioning HL3 in every thread relating to Valve? It gets a bit tiresome when some people can't even talk about the subject at hand without twisting it back around to that one game they keep saying they want more than a wish granting genie which isn't being made yet.

As for Greenlight, yeah, big surprise there are issues when it just came out. It's something no company has ever done before and Valve are literally striking new ground with it. Kind of like they did when they originally released Steam. Getting all doom and gloom about it is a bit silly before they've had the chance to work on ironing out the problems. I've no doubt that it will run much more smoothly in the future.

Hell, if it's doing a decent job of weeding out the fakes and the thieves already then in time it may work as disincentive to their trying to get past the crowd if it's not working.

See above. ;)

Also, this Escapist article mentions Half-Life 3 roughly four times. It's not really a stretch to see people mentioning it in the comments.

Just sayin'.

These sorts of services are ALWAYS bound to have a load of garbage piling on the good. It's inevitable.

Still, I'm loving Greenlight, thus far. Especially considering it's bringing more attention to gems like Project Zomboid. :D

l3o2828:
And yet we don't have No One Lives Forever games on Steam.

I wish for that too. NOLF is epic.

Treblaine:
This is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, we've been waiting 8 years now, 5 since Episode 2 and we have not seen or heard a peep of anything, we don't even know if it is still in production.

Right, so it's been a 5-year wait. I assume you don't say that the last shit you took was the shit you shit 5 shits ago. Or... something.

Kargathia:

I wouldn't exactly call it "the elephant in the room" when they've explicitly stated they're not working on it right now.

It indeed is getting ridiculous with Half Life 3, but only due to the continuous and unrelenting squealing of fanboys every time they find another way to tell themselves that Valve maybe is secretly working on it after all.

Well, it is being worked on. Not sure where you heard your explicit statement.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/04/23/gabe-on-ricochet-2-delay-but-he-doesnt-mean-ricochet/

draythefingerless:
This Greenlight thing is a huge pile of shit. It went just as i predicted. filled to the brim with generic uninteresting games, lazily made, 50% of wich are blatant ripoffs of other games, without any imagination or effort to differentiate and add interesting thigns to them.

I still think it's a good idea, Greenlight was always going to be a filter I'm pretty sure everyone predicted that. Filters are always filled with 99% crap, it's job is to siphon out the good games that are usually buried under the layers of said crap. Greenlight is just a way of reducing the human errors you get when you normally rely on a small team of people to do a job that is based largely on opinion.

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