Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault

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First off, a creeper is not just a minecraft thing. Kinda like a stalker online. "This guy on Facebook messaged me, but then he turned into a creeper."

Also, some of what she says happened may be exaggerated by time/alcohol/expectations. If the message (That she was forced to touch him) is indeed correct, then the guy is a sicko who needs to be registered a sex offender, at best. Though what I think should happen to sexual offenders is less... Polite. Male or female, that is uncalled for.

Also, to those criticizing guys for not "getting it" and questioning, I would like to point out that guys are mentally conditioned to be hardened against these things. They can later have serious mental issues from it, but that's the norm.

To those regretting the double standard card... It's a sad fact of our culture. Has happened to me in fact. Got sexually harassed at my current job, and when I told three managers, including a H.R. manager (HR was female, others were male), two laughed it off, and the H.R. sighed, shuck her head and walked away. On the same token, had a male employee at a different job eating lunch, and get asked what another male employee called the woman that was also in the room, he told her, and was fired. For telling her what the other person said. It is something we would like to ignore, and believe against, but it's true.

I am surprised a bit to see nothing about this on PA's site... Usually they're in front of this stuff, aren't they? Though I don't even know if they would've had anything to do with it, as I'm a NYer, and not attending a PAX Prime. So please correct my assumption, if I'm off base.

My main point is this. Find him, determine his guilt fairly, and if guilty... Punish, and destroy.

Stryc9:

"People tell me I should've called the cops or screamed or made a huge scene, but I didn't want that type of attention and the reaction of the security guard made me feel like cops would be even more of a waste," she wrote.

Especially Seattle police, they probably would've identified her as a threat and shot her after severely beating the crap out of her.

Seriously though, it sounds like maybe they should hire better security for next time, "What do you expect me to do?" is not a valid response to "Some guy just made me touch his dick!"

The problem is not that the guard was unwilling to act upon the event; rather, he's not able to arrest someone based on the accusations of another in the case of a misdemeanor, since he wasn't witness to the event. Also, the fact that she left and later made the accusation (I use that word in the legal sense; I am in no way suggesting it didn't happen) makes it difficult to prove anything happened.

At worse, the guard could have thrown out the attendee, but that's about it. And even that may be beyond his contractual responsibilities. Plus you have to take into consideration the ramifications of taking physical action. If the guard grabs the little asian pervert, he opens himself to a lawsuit, which may cause him to lose his job.

Yes, perhaps the guard could have done something besides stand there, but that really wasn't his call to make. While it is unfortunate that the woman was assaulted, we can't go back in time to change how guards are supposed to act in the convention. We can only change how they act in the future.

And while it in no way makes up for what happened to her, the victim I am sure will receive some sort of compensation from PA to soothe the situation.

This woman has nerves of steel, hats off to her and Notch. Hopefully this wanker will find his way into a cell soon enough.

ServebotFrank:

chadachada123:

Azuaron:

Seriously? Your response to sexual assault is "that's hilarious"?

I think I'm going to instead believe that you just got back from boxing, and quoted that by accident.

You're responding to the guy with a stereotypical blackface profile picture. Do you really think he's taking the story seriously?

As for me, that part of the story is pretty damn funny, though the conclusion is, unfortunately, not so funny.

I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

I knew it was too much to hope that no one pulled the Double Standard card.

OT: Notch is generally a nice dude so I'm not surprised he's this mad. I would to, mainly because he doesn't want to be known as someone who ignores Sexual Assault incidents at his parties. Incidents like that generally make the Party Throwers really pissed because it happened under their watch.

Hey, I'm only raising awareness of this as an issue, because I'd prefer to, you know, get rid of this double-standard.

Unless you're trying to say that there isn't one?

I'm not pulling any "card," and I'm in no way belittling what happened to her. I'm here in defense of men that have been through stuff like this but have been laughed out of the room by everyone around them, including the party host, in addition to women that get treated similarly.

Edit: Oh, forgot to add that that was just an aside and only tangentially related to the thread. There was little I could say directly about the topic, since everyone already covered the fact that it sucks for her and that the guard may have acted unfairly. Pretty much every base is covered, so I moved on to related issues.

Even if she was drunk, and even if she (wittingly or unwittingly) gave an impression she was interested in him, I don't think you need me telling you 'don't take your dick out in public and make other touch it'.

Mimsofthedawg:

To be honest, a part of this sounds fishy to me. Almost like the girl is fabricating the whole thing. BUT I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE... well... Who just walks away after a creepy dude puts his dick on you? NO NO, who let's themselves be in that situation?

I'm sure that there's a bunch of people who could jump all over me for what I just said. But honestly? It's really a whole lot less about what I just said, and a whole lot more of "WHY?!" This whole thing's just bizarre.

Talking as a someone who has been assoulted (non-sexually), my mind just went into panic mode and all I wanted was to get away from there. I went to the police later, and luckily there had been witnesses and the guys were caught. (And I wasn't the only one they attacked).

chadachada123:

I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

Maybe, but that doesn't make this any more okay.

Link Kadeshi:

To those regretting the double standard card... It's a sad fact of our culture. Has happened to me in fact. Got sexually harassed at my current job, and when I told three managers, including a H.R. manager (HR was female, others were male), two laughed it off, and the H.R. sighed, shuck her head and walked away. On the same token, had a male employee at a different job eating lunch, and get asked what another male employee called the woman that was also in the room, he told her, and was fired. For telling her what the other person said. It is something we would like to ignore, and believe against, but it's true.

Yes, and it goes beyond just sex. If she was overweight and ugly, there would be more people thinking it was funny, with comments like 'she should be happy someone is interested in her. lol'. and 'She must be saying it for the attention, why would someone go for her?'.

(especially if the harasser is attractive)
(or if the person being harassed is generally someone who has a lot of sex)

There are a lot of double-standards, unfortunately.

This is gonna sound callous, but honestly I feel bad for the girl but the deals done and the guys long gone. I don't see how making a big deal out of this is gonna do anything. Before anyone says that I'm just blowing this off, what that guy did is unacceptable and should have been arrested but she failed to get an I.D or scream for help when it happen and yes she prolly was in shock, but still not much you can do now.

Anyways, hope if that guy tries to pull that shit again to women she rips it off.

EDIT: As for the security guard he should have at least said that he would keep an eye out and apprehend the guy if he sees him.

chadachada123:

I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

Maybe, but that doesn't make this any more okay.[/quote]

I've gone back and edited that post, because that was not at all what I intended.

I was in no way saying that this was 'more okay,' and was only saying it to raise awareness since I had little else to add to the conversation.

She should have called it tiny then proceeded to beat the crap out of him.

That security guard should be the first to be prosecuted, honestly.

Also, guys? Sexual assault is not something you debate about. In the first page we have people laughing about it, throwing blame at the victim, accusing her of lying and pulling the double standard card and whining about how "if a women made a guy touch her boob, he wouldn't complain!"

If people are still bitter about gender threads I can understand, but it's time to move on, okay? :I

Kudos Notch. And for those throwing jokes at the molester, more powah to ya. Deal with it in your own way and all.

And for some other comments...I always find it odd how willing people are to judge the actions of a sexual assault victim, when most people will never have it happen to them. I don't really get it.

Mimsofthedawg:
Why wouldn't you go get help? Why would that effect you so badly?

She says exactly why in her blog post: she felt ashamed, she didn't want to spoil the party and didn't want the attention.

This is just one of the reasons why rape and sexual assault often go unreported and why creeps think they can get away with things like getting their dick out in public.

Mimsofthedawg:
To be honest, a part of this sounds fishy to me. Almost like the girl is fabricating the whole thing. BUT I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE... well... Who just walks away after a creepy dude puts his dick on you? NO NO, who let's themselves be in that situation?

And here's another reason why sexual assault goes unreported. Having an already humiliating story called into question and made light of just increases feelings of humiliation.

The woman didn't put herself into the situation. The guy put her into that situation in a quiet area of the con. She did go to security after walking away. They laughed her off.

lacktheknack:

Rocklobster99:

Andy Chalk:

"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"

Holy shit, my sides.

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Why do I bother entering sexual assault threads when I know I'm going to be greeted with classy gentlemen such as this guy?

I really think we're just going to have to start locking threads with anything to do with sexual assault.

I don't know what to say other than that's disgraceful. If they catch him, I doubt his size will matter to his cellmate.

Overusedname:
That security guard should be the first to be prosecuted, honestly.

In spite of everything, I have to disagree. Knowing at least some of the restrictions, limitations and liabilities that security has to face, that guard probably couldn't have done much of anything. I will agree he was an utter asshole in not immediately seeking to escort her to a police officer or someone with more authority then being able to say "You need to leave" before lawsuits could result.

Overusedname:

Also, guys? Sexual assault is not something you debate about. In the first page we have people laughing about it, throwing blame at the victim, accusing her of lying and pulling the double standard card and whining about how "if a women made a guy touch her boob, he wouldn't complain!"

I have seen no one arguing that she was infact lying and only mentions that it is a possibility of her lying when bringing up things, such as how the security guy was really limited in that situation. Those that do dismiss her slow reaction time though, yeah, they need to stfu and understand how trauma can affect people. I'll give you that one.

Overusedname:

If people are still bitter about gender threads I can understand, but it's time to move on, okay? :I

I am sure with or without them, some people here being assholes would still be here being assholes.

Overusedname:

Kudos Notch. And for those throwing jokes at the molester, more powah to ya. Deal with it in your own way and all.

And for some other comments...I always find it odd how willing people are to judge the actions of a sexual assault victim, when most people will never have it happen to them. I don't really get it.

I second the kudos to notch. He out and out publicly rages about it instead of trying to sweep it under the rug like some PR worries jerk. Notch deserves the respect he has in the community all the more.

Pertaining to the victim, people always ponder the facets of a story. Why would someone act in a way contrary to the way they would act (or at least, they think they would act) in the same situation? Just basic human psychology there, only given light as they post the thoughts instead of just internalize them.

For those mad at the security guard, "What do you expect me to do?" is an honest and truthful answer. The woman told about this to the security later on, and there were no witnesses. The security guard can't launch a full-on investigation or manhunt, and he can't detain the person as there was only the woman's word. There's not anything he could do; now if the woman had screamed or made a scene and there had been people witnessing it, obviously security would have reacted and catch this guy, and then give him to the police.

That much later, with no witnesses, there's nothing he could do. I am going to be extremely disappointed if he, or the security overall, gets any flak for this.

Rainboq:
I think the only appropriate recourse for the guy would be to lock him in a room with a dozen Minecraft creepers.

OT: Kuddos to her for managing to speak out about this, hopefully he's caught and gets to pay for his crime. And given that Notch is pretty much a nice guy, I'd pretty much expect this response and I hope this sort of shit storm becomes commonplace, regardless of the gender of all involved.

A room full of 20+ Endermen would be much, much better. Creepers would just go boom and kill him before he could even feel it. Endermen... not only would he have to constantly look down at the ground or blindfold himself and live in fear of accidentally looking at one, he'd have to avoid doing anything that might make it think it's being attacked (bumping into one or grabbing it while trying to navigate a room blindly could set it off). If he does agro one; he'd be up against a powerful, teleporting enemy that would blend in with the others and could literally be anywhere at any moment. He wouldn't be able to even look around for the hostile Endermen, since any that aren't would become hostile the moment he does look at them. It would be a fucking nightmare. I would still leave an exit though; so that if he did survive, he would've definitely learned his lesson. (Wow, I'm an asshole)

As for the "stop laughing, guys" people, I say we should laugh harder. We aren't laughing at the victim here, we're laughing at the asshole who thought this was a good idea. He's obviously too insecure to try to pick up ladies normally; that's what we're laughing at here. Laughing at stupidity is a good thing - it discourages that kind of behavior and makes us feel better that we're not him. Face it, schaudenfraude is a part of human nature and isn't going away anytime soon.

vivaldiscool:
Not to denigrate the reality of what happened, what the security guard did was completely unprofessional, but the article makes it seem like she approached the guard quite some time later. In a convention of thousands there likely really was nothing to be done.

Also, while groping is legally considered a degree of sexual assault, it's only a misdemeanor; the fact that the ultimate cumulation of the crime was just her saying "No thanks" and walking away makes me think it's simply a case of some sexually frustrated nerd getting drunk and behaving inappropriately. Reprehensible and worthy of being brought to authorities? Sure. But this is not some unspeakably awful crime or something that should cause scarring unless she either already had some associated baggage.

I agree with this.

But i also must say, why the hell did this girl not tell this guy to f off from the get go?

She indicated that something was off about the guy, he was apparently into her, she played along pretended to ignore him, said maybe she was a bit too drunk, meaning that she was at the very lest guilty of poor judgment, when things clicked in her head that this guy was off, or that she was just not into him or that he was the spawn of satan, tell him to bugger off, tell them you are waiting on your friends and oh there they are over there sorry gtg, i am waiting on my bf to come back, go bleep yourself, any number of options were open to her to put an immediate end to everything the second things got at all weird.

This guy was a moron, a more appropriate response to this was getting maced by her, or getting the crap beat out of him by her boyfriend. All you have been far more lasting then the fine he will get out of this unless she really wants to drag him into civil court and sue.

Okay, as a jaded veteran of running security for many, many events, parties, and conventions when I worked for the casinos (along with my other duties there) my basic attitude is that this is an unverified, and basically unprovable story, as such it deserves absolutly zero attention. To be honest the kind of paranoia over bad publicity that inspires someone like Notch to take a fairly personal interest is exactly why people tell stories like this, despite their claims "oh, I didn't want the attention". To be honest not wanting to make a scene or whatever tends to be the first refuge of a liar in cases like this. I also tend to notice qualifying statements about "maybe" having invited the behavior "accidently" of course, which typically means "yeah I invited it, but now I want to make a complaint and get some attention".

The bottom line is that as security your job is to keep things quiet and prevent *major* incidents. What happened here at the very worst is gross and all, but unless the suspect is clearly pointed out, and we have some kind of proof, or a pattern of behavior, security isn't going to do much more but keep a subtle eye on the guy and watch out for more complaints. After all the surest way to screw things up is to ruin everyone's fun by making a scene, especially if it turns out the accusations aren't true. In some cases if you have a camera on the scene you might rewind a tape at some point to find out the truth of the matter, but it depends on the exact circumstances.

Sure you can say "OMG, the guy could be a sex offender, he could be building up to throwing someone down and raping them in a stairwell or something", sure, but then again your dealing with a party with rowdy kids and drinking, where people routinely cop a feel and even invite it. Sure you have incidents where people get unwelcome attention, but hey, that's parties.

Understand that the bottom line is that it's a he said/she said incident of a relatively minor nature for the situation as described, where in the absolute worst case scenario the victim claims she might have sent the wrong signals and invited it. There is no proof of any sort in either direction, and as odd as it might sound you can't start doing backflips every time you get a verbal complaint like this.

From the sound of things Security probably handled it well for the setting given the actual information present here, nobody was harmed, and there wasn't a big scene since this apparently wasn't even known by most until after the party which meant security kept
things quiet and orderly. Notch is probably creating a bigger problem than there actually was by expressing outrage over something that might not have even happened.

To be blunt if Notch wants to cut down on the rowdiness and the possibility of things like this happening, the first step is to not serve or permit alcohol at his parties. From long experience, the moore freely the booze flows, the more likely your going to have crap like this going on.

I'll also say that if you want to see people "bounced" purely on verbal sayso of other patrons, it won't keep order, you'll see people trying to get other people bounced for lulz constantly, which is why most places renting space for events might let you pay to use their security, but they won't let you hire bouncers or usually bring your own security people in (though like everything, there are exceptions). Assuming Notch's security worked for the hotel (or wherever this was happening) it seems like it was handled well given the circumstances, if these guys were convention security that don't even have the protection of "acting as a representitive of the property owner", no sh@t they aren't liable to do anything, they don't even have the most tenative actual authority to do anything in a
case like that no matter what they might think (and yes, I've dealt with things like that before, even going so far as to have volunteer "convention security" walked off property by way of making a point, and to avoid any confusion about authority. It was years ago but once we had some guys from Agway get uppity on similar matters, it didn't happen again).

Well I feel bad that she didn't feel the need to kick up a fuss. Please ladies, if something like that happens, KICK UP A FUSS. It's literally the only reasonable course of action.

Plus, if you don't kick up a fuss there and then, then the security won't have a clue what to do. Sorry to go against everyone here but I don't think security deserves your hate for this. The guy though... well, what a pathetic waste of oxygen.

SL33TBL1ND:

lacktheknack:

Rocklobster99:

Holy shit, my sides.

Why do I bother entering sexual assault threads when I know I'm going to be greeted with classy gentlemen such as this guy?

I really think we're just going to have to start locking threads with anything to do with sexual assault.

I already asked and no they won't/can't according to the site rules.

So just for the record?

Don't blame the victim.
It's never appropriate to take your genitals out or force someone to touch them.
If you find it genuinely funny (not nervous laughter at the situation but genuine 'I find sexual assault something to joke about') then you're an asshole.

Therumancer:
But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

Ya, this article contained a bit more detail on the incident than I needed.
But one thing I never understand is why the assaultees always feel so "ashamed and embarrassed" about the incident afterwards. It's not her fault some pervert did that to her, she has nothing to be ashamed of. It's the guy who did that who should feel terrible (probably doesn't though). Obviously I've never been in this situation so maybe I just don't understand what it's like, but I feel like I'd just be disgusted with the guy and pissed off at the guard, I wouldn't feel any guilt/shame/embarrassment.

Mcupobob:
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I don't want to start a fight here, but it's a little hard to take you seriously in a thread like this when you have that avatar. Just saying.

Therumancer:
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Thank you for saying this, I was going to type up something similar, but, now I dont have to, and all I can do is hope that some of the more...uneducated... forum goers will look at it before whining about the security guard.

Boudica:

Therumancer:
But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

I think that's being very unfair to some hardworking trolls.

It's certainly a very cynical comment, but compared to some of the abusive crap I've seen on feminism threads it's nothing.

OlasDAlmighty:
Ya, this article contained a bit more detail on the incident than I needed.
But one thing I never understand is why the assaultees always feel so "ashamed and embarrassed" about the incident afterwards. It's not her fault some pervert did that to her, she has nothing to be ashamed of. It's the guy who did that who should feel terrible (probably doesn't though). Obviously I've never been in this situation so maybe I just don't understand what it's like, but I feel like I'd just be disgusted with the guy and pissed off at the guard, I wouldn't feel any guilt/shame/embarrassment.

Mcupobob:
This is gonna sound callous, but honestly I feel bad for the girl but the deals done and the guys long gone. I don't see how making a big deal out of this is gonna do anything. Before anyone says that I'm just blowing this off, what that guy did is unacceptable and should have been arrested but she failed to get an I.D or scream for help when it happen and yes she prolly was in shock, but still not much you can do now.

Anyways, hope if that guy tries to pull that shit again to women she rips it off.

EDIT: As for the security guard he should have at least said that he would keep an eye out and apprehend the guy if he sees him.

I don't want to start a fight here, but it's a little hard to take you seriously in a thread like this when you have that avatar. Just saying.

Trust me, you feel a lot of shame and embarrassment. Depending on just what happens, you can feel extremely dirty, used and degraded, like you are worth less now because of it.

Not saying she feels this way. Just explaining how and a little bit of why one feels this way when they are abused or assaulted.

chadachada123:
I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

Time till the high-horse "it's different, but there is no double-standard!!!111one" oxymoron people quote you: 3, 2, 1, GO!

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

That being said, I feel bad for this girl, and almost as bad for that dumbasses lack of social skills or tact. Oh, and that "security guard", he's really earning his paychecks... Even though he couldn't do much, he could have tried to comfort her or report it to the PO.

Boudica:

Therumancer:
But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

Clearly, you didn't see the thread where people said they'd let a human drown for a pet.

MelasZepheos:

SL33TBL1ND:

lacktheknack:

Why do I bother entering sexual assault threads when I know I'm going to be greeted with classy gentlemen such as this guy?

I really think we're just going to have to start locking threads with anything to do with sexual assault.

I already asked and no they won't/can't according to the site rules.

I am saddened by this. Would prevent me from accidentally reading the horrible shit some people post.

Irridium:

She tried to get help. The security guard didn't do anything. She then got help from her friends to help her through it. Sexual assault isn't something you just walk off, it's a pretty traumatizing experience. The security guard didn't do anything because... I don't know actually. He's a security guard, he should have found the guy and evicted him immediately.

And she didn't make a scene probably because the reaction would be like yours. People would assume she made it up for attention or something.

The guard reacted like he did because we live in a society where this kind of shit is expected. We teach women not to get raped and shrug off men who can't have a little self-control with "Boys will be boys."

It's sick. And at least in America, it's encouraged. Look at our politicians...

xyrafhoan:
Sexual assault is not something that's easy to make a scene about, even though most people would ask you "WHY NOT?"

I speak out of personal experience here. When I was 15 I went off as an exchange student in Japan and I had to take the crowded morning train every day. On one particular trip, I was wearing a skirt and some creeper was touching the inside of my thigh, fairly high up and entirely on purpose. I immediately left the train to wait for the next one but this same person got off at the same stop and sat on the opposite side of the bench I was sitting on. I pretty much ran away until eventually he stopped following, but I had to take the slow local train instead of the express. All the while, I had my apprehensions about making a huge scene because I didn't speak the language fluently and also have anxiety issues in crowds. To this day, that guy got away with feeling up my leg and I never had the courage to speak up about it until it was done and over. It was not cool and I was incredibly unhappy about it but when it's happening, you just don't think about drawing attention to yourself because you don't want people to look at you, being humiliated.

In regards to the one quoted line, it wasn't funny to the girl at the time, but... honestly, you would hear that something out of a bad porno and even I laughed. Just, in the context of the situation, that's horrifying to be in that girl's position.

I heard they actually have trains just for women there by now because train gropers are apparently no rarity in japan.

I think the one good thing about this is, I'm fairly sure Notch is going to make good on digging into this. I mean come on, this is a guy who was willing to spend millions through spite of some pirate, He's very likely to throw money at some PI's to find this dude.

3quency:

Boudica:

Therumancer:
But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

I think that's being very unfair to some hardworking trolls.

It's certainly a very cynical comment, but compared to some of the abusive crap I've seen on feminism threads it's nothing.

That's a completely true post, so it doesn't fall under the definition of trolling.

SpectacularWebHead:
I think the one good thing about this is, I'm fairly sure Notch is going to make good on digging into this. I mean come on, this is a guy who was willing to spend millions through spite of some pirate, He's very likely to throw money at some PI's to find this dude.

And nothing will happen to that dude. Sexual Misconduct is a misdemeanor, not a felony. At best he'll get a night in the cage and a slap on the wrist.

Too all the dipshits talking about how the security guard should've done something:

You go to a fucking party and kick out 'a drunk asian guy'.

What, you want like a picture or good description something instead of a race? Too bad. Do something with asian guy, with no proof at all apart from the word of 1 random.

Enjoy starting a massive scene, possibly inciting violence and losing your job based on the word of a single random girl at a party where the booze is flowing freely and signals can be mixed easily.

BabyRaptor:

Irridium:

She tried to get help. The security guard didn't do anything. She then got help from her friends to help her through it. Sexual assault isn't something you just walk off, it's a pretty traumatizing experience. The security guard didn't do anything because... I don't know actually. He's a security guard, he should have found the guy and evicted him immediately.

And she didn't make a scene probably because the reaction would be like yours. People would assume she made it up for attention or something.

The guard reacted like he did because we live in a society where this kind of shit is expected. We teach women not to get raped and shrug off men who can't have a little self-control with "Boys will be boys."

It's sick. And at least in America, it's encouraged. Look at our politicians...

She got far more help and sympathy than a guy in her position would be treated.

The "boys like sex automatically, always" mentality doesn't just hurt women, you know.

Is it sick? Yes, definitely, and it ends up being all victims of assault (that are hurt emotionally from being assaulted) that suffer worse, not just the female victims.

I'd argue (very strongly) that traumatized males have it way worse than traumatized females because of the same social problem that causes some apathy towards female victims but EXTREME apathy towards male victims.

Slayer_2:

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.

BabyRaptor:
The guard reacted like he did because we live in a society where this kind of shit is expected. We teach women not to get raped and shrug off men who can't have a little self-control with "Boys will be boys."

It's sick. And at least in America, it's encouraged. Look at our politicians...

Yes, it's not because of lack of evidence, or it being purely hearsay. I'm not saying women shouldn't step forward, but in a case where all she has is her word, no witnesses, and no idea where the guy could be (or what he looks like, besides Asian) what can he do? Admittedly, he could have tried to be compassionate, but not like he could find or punish the guy. Some people make the mistake of thinking security guards have power. They don't, they are just normal civvies with a fancy outfit.

If you murder someone, there is a body. If you steal a car, it can be traced back to it's owner. If you beat the shit out of some poor bastard, there will be bruises and possibly cuts and broken bones. If it's a full on rape, there is gonna likely be DNA evidence and bruising. If someone says some guy forced them to touch his dick for a second, can you prove that with DNA? I'm very doubtful. Maybe if you have video evidence and/or witnesses.

Go ahead, call me a "rape supporter" if you want. In reality, I just believe that being able to persecute people without evidence or due process is well, wrong. There are too many people out there who'd abuse such power for their own gains. If it means a few incidents like this occur and go unpunished, it's better than potentially thousands of people being jailed for years or decades over simple word of mouth.

chadachada123:

I'd argue (very strongly) that traumatized males have it way worse than traumatized females because of the same social problem that causes some apathy towards female victims but EXTREME apathy towards male victims.

I've heard a similar sentiment before, from a number of people.
I can sort of agree, but at the same time I think it needs to be discussed in a different context. Bringing up male sexual harrasment is definitely important and should really be more open to discussion, but talking about it in threads concentrating on female sexual harrasment is just inviting idiots to start going "see? men have it JUST as bad!" along the lines of the exploitative Kratos pouch argument.

If you get what I mean.

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