Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault

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chimeracreator:

Slayer_2:

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.

Different strokes for different folks. Fact is that you'd get a lot less (actually close to zero) outrage over such occurrence. Of course, you'd probably just walk it off and forget about it, where as I might pursue her, and the woman in question seems to be quite shaken up.

chimeracreator:

Slayer_2:

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.

I wouldn't 'react favorably' either, but I wouldn't be particularly bothered by it unless she had giant fucking warts on her crotch or something. It has nothing to do with a lack of dignity, in my case. The warts would only be a problem because a life-long STD would be a life-ender for me. I couldn't live with a permanent transmittable infection/disease.

But honestly, barring some specific situations, I don't even see myself being emotionally damaged from something like forcible rape (if done by a woman). From a man, yeah, because of some colon issues I have that ensure that it would be extremely fucking painful for me, but take the pain out of it, and I don't have that big of a problem with it. The only time it would bother me is if the perp is older than 50 or so, because old people are nasty to me.

The pain is my biggest fear, the sexual aspect means nothing to me when it's something that's happening against my will to begin with.

I see no functional difference between forcing someone to touch your junk and forcing someone to give you a hug or sit down or any other type of forced physical reaction. I fail to see how the inclusion of genitals changes anything from a practical standpoint other than society's reaction to them.

I even feel that the same culture that essentially taught men that they can't be raped by women and should be proud of all sexual interaction, even those they were forced into (this current one) is the one that taught women that all sexual assault, even something as benign as making you touch a wiener for a moment, is truly traumatizing.

I don't doubt that she is truly traumatized (presuming she's telling the truth, as we have only her word), but I think that we as a society are more to blame for it than the action itself.

I'm impressed that she hung around long enough to see him take his dick out after he'd just put her hand there.

The whole "That big enough" line though, that is fucking hysterical. The fact that she was in that situation without her consent however is not. Its ok to laugh at the retarded chat up lines of the tiny dick Asian dude, people.

Tragic that this has happened though, as all stories of this nature are, but it goes to show that even at a massive public party where people are getting drunk that its still not safe to go off wandering alone. Its a shame, but thats the world we live in today. :(

3quency:

chadachada123:

I'd argue (very strongly) that traumatized males have it way worse than traumatized females because of the same social problem that causes some apathy towards female victims but EXTREME apathy towards male victims.

I've heard a similar sentiment before, from a number of people.
I can sort of agree, but at the same time I think it needs to be discussed in a different context. Bringing up male sexual harrasment is definitely important and should really be more open to discussion, but talking about it in threads concentrating on female sexual harrasment is just inviting idiots to start going "see? men have it JUST as bad!" along the lines of the exploitative Kratos pouch argument.

If you get what I mean.

I actually know nothing of God of War, if that's what you're referencing. My apologies, I try to avoid anything to do with that game because of how terrible its gameplay is.

I can agree to talking about it in a different context, although I was hoping to have a discussion on WHY she is as traumatized as she is while the majority of men would just shrug it off and store it in their "creepy fucking people stories" book.

Specifically, I wish to bridge not only the gap in societal reaction but ALSO personal reaction. If every would-be victim would just naturally not give a damn about it like many/most men currently would react for something as comparatively small as this, we'd all be a hell of a lot happier.

We also would be in a calm-enough state of mind to punch the sick fucks that pull shit like this.

Final question: what exactly is the discussion value of this thread if not to talk about how gender relates to this? It's obvious that she (assuming she's telling the truth) is hurt and that Notch is pissed, what else is there to discuss besides the bouncer's role?

I hope they find out who this waste of protein is.

I also hope Notch 'accidentally' makes all his minecraft worlds public leading to him being griefed harder than anyone ever has before. I never thought i would type this sentice, but needle dick jokes are in order here.

also, the reason she is so creeped out is because some creepy dude made her touch his junk. there is a reason it is called sexual assault

the whole what if it happen to a guy line of thought is an interesting one, but it should really be in it's own thread (which i am not going to make). A guy would be unsettled by having a similar situation happen with the genders reversed. the main differences being that men are conditioned by our culture to celebrate any sexual contact they get and fact that rape would not enter the average guy's mind as a possibility.

Boudica:

Therumancer:
But hey, that's parties.

The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.

Clearly, you didn't see the thread where people said they'd let a human drown for a pet.[/quote]

Whats wrong with that? If some random stranger is drowning but my family companion of 5 years is also I'm gonna save the Black labrador. I've got a better chance of saving a dog than a person because I ain't very strong. If I went for the human I'd drown as well and then there would be two dead people instead of one.

OT: Wish I could get riled up like everyone else. This guy did nothing more than indecent conduct in public to a drunk girl. No differant to the millions of unreported, unpublicised cases that occur at house parties and people just move on without famous people getting riled up to claim moral high ground.

Boudica:

Whats wrong with that? If some random stranger is drowning but my family companion of 5 years is also I'm gonna save the Black labrador. I've got a better chance of saving a dog than a person because I ain't very strong. If I went for the human I'd drown as well and then there would be two dead people instead of one.

Don't start, he'll just call you selfish. No offense to the guy, but he's quite arrogant when it comes to that topic.

OT: Isn't it a bit odd that I made a joke on the threads announcing the deaths of Neil Armstrong AND the guy who played Vamp from Sesame Street and nobody batted an eyelid. But when someone finds a part of something like this funny they're the "worst person ever!". He wasn't laughing at the victim, and he shouldn't. He was laughing at the stupid bastard who did the crime. You know what? I've made jokes about Hitler, and I've laughed at Hitler jokes, does that make me a sick neo-nazi bastard? No, it makes me a person with a relatively dark sense of humor, and with all the talk of free speech and such on this site I should be allowed to find jokes around subjects such as this funny.

But still, a terrible thing happened, and good on Notch for trying to sort it out. But what ya gonna do, there's probably hundreds of sexual abuse cases each day, this one's gotten attention because a famous developer tweeted it. Doesn't make it any less bad.

ServebotFrank:

chadachada123:

Azuaron:

Seriously? Your response to sexual assault is "that's hilarious"?

I think I'm going to instead believe that you just got back from boxing, and quoted that by accident.

You're responding to the guy with a stereotypical blackface profile picture. Do you really think he's taking the story seriously?

As for me, that part of the story is pretty damn funny, though the conclusion is, unfortunately, not so funny.

I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

I knew it was too much to hope that no one pulled the Double Standard card.

OT: Notch is generally a nice dude so I'm not surprised he's this mad. I would to, mainly because he doesn't want to be known as someone who ignores Sexual Assault incidents at his parties. Incidents like that generally make the Party Throwers really pissed because it happened under their watch.

Rainboq:

Rocklobster99:

Holy shit, my sides.

Sexual assault is not funny, not in the slightest. If you find it as such, you either have a very very dark sense or you're a mysoginist (if you only view it as funny if the woman is the recipient).

He didn't think Sexual Assault was funny man. He did however find that one specific line really funny. That little line actually is really, really funny. Though the fact that it actually happened is not really funny.

Maybe I was desensitized to this stuff as a kid, but other than the slight hint towards possible rape (in a public place full of people? Not likely, and if so it's NOT getting far) this is NOTHING. That line was pretty funny, and there is humor to be found in this situation. The fact that most people here are responding with "OMG NO NOTHING ABOUT THIS CAN BE FUNNY AT ALL, EVER" is simply proving that the world has gone insane.

ALERT: HUMANS HAVE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. You should all know this. Of course this guy is about as far out of the social norm as you can get, but what real harm does an act like this do? It's creepy. But it's one of those things that deserves nothing more than shrugging off and coming to laugh about it. The guy may be dangerous and should be pursued to the extent of the law to make sure he's not a danger to others, sure, but other than some rather unsettling stuff, nothing happened here. It's like having an insane man yell at you. OH NOOOO THE CRAZY HOBO ON THE TRAIN SAID I DON'T KNOW NOTHIN ABOUT TRAINS THE WORLD IS NOW ENDING T_T
Yeah, nobody wants to see random people's genitalia... normally. Nudists probably wouldn't care. But don't for a SECOND pretend that a either gender's naked body isn't something you're not fairly familiar with already. Stop kidding yourselves, people.

I get that this is really creepy in the moment and all but if you can't shrug this off you need to toughen up a bit. And don't anyone dare respond to me saying I haven't been through this kind of thing and I don't know what I'm talking about. Trust me, I've been through much worse. I don't let it bother me.

Seriously, though. I just spent 3 hours today slaughtering hundreds of people, innocent and otherwise, in a video game. This is an accepted norm, but god forbid you show a part of your body. (in such a medium or worse, for real) TRY to forget for a second what you've had pounded into you since birth and realize how insane that sounds.

(in case anyone missed that sentence in the middle somewhere, I think this guy might be dangerous and should be pursued. Not to be publicly flogged or sentenced to painful torture and/or death or something as a form of revenge for the terrible deed he's done, but to get fixed. It's pretty obvious no matter where he came from that what he was doing was against societal/cultural norms. There's probably something wrong with him and he needs psychiatric attention. I'm just saying that the outrage over this incident... well, is kind of understandable... but the people saying we can't laugh about it can just go touch a dick, man.)

chadachada123:

chimeracreator:

Slayer_2:

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.

I wouldn't 'react favorably' either, but I wouldn't be particularly bothered by it unless she had giant fucking warts on her crotch or something. It has nothing to do with a lack of dignity, in my case. The warts would only be a problem because a life-long STD would be a life-ender for me. I couldn't live with a permanent transmittable infection/disease.

But honestly, barring some specific situations, I don't even see myself being emotionally damaged from something like forcible rape (if done by a woman). From a man, yeah, because of some colon issues I have that ensure that it would be extremely fucking painful for me, but take the pain out of it, and I don't have that big of a problem with it. The only time it would bother me is if the perp is older than 50 or so, because old people are nasty to me.

The pain is my biggest fear, the sexual aspect means nothing to me when it's something that's happening against my will to begin with.

I see no functional difference between forcing someone to touch your junk and forcing someone to give you a hug or sit down or any other type of forced physical reaction. I fail to see how the inclusion of genitals changes anything from a practical standpoint other than society's reaction to them.

I even feel that the same culture that essentially taught men that they can't be raped by women and should be proud of all sexual interaction, even those they were forced into (this current one) is the one that taught women that all sexual assault, even something as benign as making you touch a wiener for a moment, is truly traumatizing.

I don't doubt that she is truly traumatized (presuming she's telling the truth, as we have only her word), but I think that we as a society are more to blame for it than the action itself.

Coming from someone that has fucking been a victim you have no idea what you're talking about. The emotion pain and the upset isn't even something you can comprehend without going through it.

Just stop.

chadachada123:

I actually know nothing of God of War, if that's what you're referencing. My apologies, I try to avoid anything to do with that game because of how terrible its gameplay is.

Yeah, that was the quickest way I could think of to sum up the false argument that men are just as sexually exploited in games/comics. Gaming forum bias made me pick the muscliest, nakedest dude I could think of so sorry if that wasn't clear.

chadachada123:

I can agree to talking about it in a different context, although I was hoping to have a discussion on WHY she is as traumatized as she is while the majority of men would just shrug it off and store it in their "creepy fucking people stories" book.

Ah, now this I can attempt to answer. It's a societal thing, and it's kind of been that way even before feminism was a mainstream idea, or before even women's equality was. As a society we've always had a big thing about "protecting a lady's honour". How often in fiction are men depicted as villains for making unwanted passes? How often is the main character shown as heroic for delivering justice to perverts or harrasers (I'm really not sure if I'm spelling this word right, and google won't help)? Women are horrified because society expects them to be. I wouldn't necessarily call this a bad thing, but it's definitely a symptom of our patriarchal view of the world. Men don't get it the same because it's sort of assumed that men don't get sexually harrased. Women showing sexual agency? Impossible!

chadachada123:

Specifically, I wish to bridge not only the gap in societal reaction but ALSO personal reaction. If every would-be victim would just naturally not give a damn about it like many/most men currently would react for something as comparatively small as this, we'd all be a hell of a lot happier.

This is... debatable. I think the main problem I have with the sentiment is that people pulling shit like this is clearly NOT okay, and never can be. People should be called out, because they're being dicks. Dicks shouldn't be allowed to get away with being dicks. However, going too far one way will always lead to more problems, E.G. suddenly everyone and their mother can claim to have been sexually harrassed and people believe them. I don't find this idea particularly plausible, but that doesn't rule it out as a possibility, or at least people will assume it so (much the same way that we've been swinging more and more towards complaining about "feminazis" in recent years).

Yeah, it's comparatively small. That doesn't make it cool.

chadachada123:

We also would be in a calm-enough state of mind to punch the sick fucks that pull shit like this.

This... works for me. I have no complaints here. Perhaps I have just admitted that my last paragraph was a waste of words.

chadachada123:

Final question: what exactly is the discussion value of this thread if not to talk about how gender relates to this? It's obvious that she (assuming she's telling the truth) is hurt and that Notch is pissed, what else is there to discuss besides the bouncer's role?

I didn't mean to say that gender shouldn't fall into the discussion, just that flipping the genders was kind of irrelevant. Yes that shit happens, and it should be paid attention to, but not at the expense of what we have to discuss with the current story.

Sorry if I came on a bit strong, I just like having these debates every now and then and I tend to get wordy.

Rocklobster99:

Andy Chalk:

"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"

Holy shit, my sides.

you know, it's that thing you see in anime/manga a lot, just with the roles inverted, genderwise.
I don't like to use asian stereotypes, but WHAT THE HELL.

overall good reaction from notch, I must say XD

Boudica:
Coming from someone that has fucking been a victim you have no idea what you're talking about. The emotion pain and the upset isn't even something you can comprehend without going through it.

Just stop.

Now it makes sense why you write your posts on the gender threads the way you do.

Boudica:
Coming from someone that has fucking been a victim you have no idea what you're talking about. The emotion pain and the upset isn't even something you can comprehend without going through it.

Just stop.

I think you don't understand one simple concept: I'm not you.

For sexual assault, I would not give a shit in the vast majority of situations, and I know that for a fact.

For rape, I said that I HONESTLY DON'T SEE MYSELF being traumatized in most non-painful situations. Maybe I'd be wrong. There's only one way to know for sure. What I do know is that some victims of rape walk away emotionally pretty much fine, while others like you think that it is unable to comprehend, with everything in between.

Maybe YOU personally suffer extreme emotional pain, but to say I would suffer the same is insulting, and to say that the pain is incomprehensible is unfounded (and insulting to other victims that weren't harmed emotionally to your extent). I've been through a lot of nasty shit, and I see little that could compare emotionally for myself. As in, for me. Not you. Not him. Not them. Me.

chadachada123:

Boudica:
Coming from someone that has fucking been a victim you have no idea what you're talking about. The emotion pain and the upset isn't even something you can comprehend without going through it.

Just stop.

I think you don't understand one simple concept: I'm not you.

For sexual assault, I would not give a shit in the vast majority of situations, and I know that for a fact.

For rape, I said that I HONESTLY DON'T SEE MYSELF being traumatized in most non-painful situations. Maybe I'd be wrong. There's only one way to know for sure. What I do know is that some victims of rape walk away emotionally pretty much fine, while others like you think that it is unable to comprehend, with everything in between.

Maybe YOU personally suffer extreme emotional pain, but to say I would suffer the same is insulting, and to say that the pain is incomprehensible is unfounded (and insulting to other victims that weren't harmed emotionally to your extent). I've been through a lot of nasty shit, and I see little that could compare emotionally for myself. As in, for me. Not you. Not him. Not them. Me.

And, like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just pulling this out of the air when you admittedly have zero experience with them.

3quency:
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Oh, absolutely, I love a good debate too, and sometimes (most of the time) start off on the strong side as well. I'd mention more about the Kratos thing, but I'd rather not derail the thread further if possible.

I feel like I've mentioned most that I wanted to say about double-standards in this respect anyways, so I'll let everyone else take the wheel there.

Boudica:

chadachada123:

Boudica:
Coming from someone that has fucking been a victim you have no idea what you're talking about. The emotion pain and the upset isn't even something you can comprehend without going through it.

Just stop.

I think you don't understand one simple concept: I'm not you.

For sexual assault, I would not give a shit in the vast majority of situations, and I know that for a fact.

For rape, I said that I HONESTLY DON'T SEE MYSELF being traumatized in most non-painful situations. Maybe I'd be wrong. There's only one way to know for sure. What I do know is that some victims of rape walk away emotionally pretty much fine, while others like you think that it is unable to comprehend, with everything in between.

Maybe YOU personally suffer extreme emotional pain, but to say I would suffer the same is insulting, and to say that the pain is incomprehensible is unfounded (and insulting to other victims that weren't harmed emotionally to your extent). I've been through a lot of nasty shit, and I see little that could compare emotionally for myself. As in, for me. Not you. Not him. Not them. Me.

And, like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just pulling this out of the air when you admittedly have zero experience with them.

You're ignoring what I said. You are insulting to other victims with your presumption that I would suffer like you would, or that all emotional pain is equal.

I'll repeat this: I don't hold much stock in my sexual organs. I already clarified that I see no real distinction outside of society's forced distinction between being forced to grab a creepy dude's arm and my hand being forced into creepy dude's crotch, so what makes you think that I'd be bothered by being forced to penetrate someone, even if it was unwilling, so long as it was painless?

The Rogue Wolf:
I for one think she would've been perfectly justified in following a three-step plan:

- Grab
- Twist
- Pull

Would've been easy to find him later. Just follow the high-pitched screaming and sobbing.

Also, Notch, ol' buddy, ol' pal? If you find the guy, I for one would be happy to help ensure that he finds himself alone with you and an iron shovel.

yes but you have to be big enough to be grabbed in the first place.
and since we are dealing with a weirdo, he probably would like that.

chadachada123:

Boudica:

chadachada123:

I think you don't understand one simple concept: I'm not you.

For sexual assault, I would not give a shit in the vast majority of situations, and I know that for a fact.

For rape, I said that I HONESTLY DON'T SEE MYSELF being traumatized in most non-painful situations. Maybe I'd be wrong. There's only one way to know for sure. What I do know is that some victims of rape walk away emotionally pretty much fine, while others like you think that it is unable to comprehend, with everything in between.

Maybe YOU personally suffer extreme emotional pain, but to say I would suffer the same is insulting, and to say that the pain is incomprehensible is unfounded (and insulting to other victims that weren't harmed emotionally to your extent). I've been through a lot of nasty shit, and I see little that could compare emotionally for myself. As in, for me. Not you. Not him. Not them. Me.

And, like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just pulling this out of the air when you admittedly have zero experience with them.

You're ignoring what I said. You are an insult to other victims with your presumption that I would suffer like you would, or that all emotional pain is equal.

I'll repeat this: I don't hold much stock in my sexual organs. I already clarified that I see no real distinction outside of society's forced distinction between being forced to grab a creepy dude's arm and my hand being forced into creepy dude's crotch, so what makes you think that I'd be bothered by being forced to penetrate someone, even if it was unwilling, so long as it was painless?

You may as well be commenting on the flavour of the moon, for all the authority you have on the subject.

Rainforce:
Now it makes sense why you write your posts on the gender threads the way you do.

Care to elaborate on that nugget of supposed revelation?

Boudica:

chadachada123:

Boudica:
And, like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just pulling this out of the air when you admittedly have zero experience with them.

You're ignoring what I said. You are an insult to other victims with your presumption that I would suffer like you would, or that all emotional pain is equal.

I'll repeat this: I don't hold much stock in my sexual organs. I already clarified that I see no real distinction outside of society's forced distinction between being forced to grab a creepy dude's arm and my hand being forced into creepy dude's crotch, so what makes you think that I'd be bothered by being forced to penetrate someone, even if it was unwilling, so long as it was painless?

You may as well be commenting on the flavour of the moon, for all the authority you have on the subject.

Kinda like how you have no authority on saying that he does or does not know what he is talking about and describing himself and not other people?
Not to sound like an ass here, but stop a moment, take a deep breath and reread his last posts. Sounds like you are getting riled up due to how the topic touches close to home, which is understandable and all, but in doing so, you are ignoring their post.

runic knight:

Boudica:

chadachada123:

You're ignoring what I said. You are an insult to other victims with your presumption that I would suffer like you would, or that all emotional pain is equal.

I'll repeat this: I don't hold much stock in my sexual organs. I already clarified that I see no real distinction outside of society's forced distinction between being forced to grab a creepy dude's arm and my hand being forced into creepy dude's crotch, so what makes you think that I'd be bothered by being forced to penetrate someone, even if it was unwilling, so long as it was painless?

You may as well be commenting on the flavour of the moon, for all the authority you have on the subject.

Kinda like how you have no authority on saying that he does or does not know what he is talking about and describing himself and not other people?
Not to sound like an ass here, but stop a moment, take a deep breath and reread his last posts. Sounds like you are getting riled up due to how the topic touches close to home, which is understandable and all, but in doing so, you are ignoring their post.

He's presuming to know what something is like when he has no way of even fathoming it. How he thinks he feels has no bearing on reality. You can think and imagine all you want, but if you don't have the experience, your words are hollow and empty.

Boudica:

chadachada123:

You're ignoring what I said. You are an insult to other victims with your presumption that I would suffer like you would, or that all emotional pain is equal.

I'll repeat this: I don't hold much stock in my sexual organs. I already clarified that I see no real distinction outside of society's forced distinction between being forced to grab a creepy dude's arm and my hand being forced into creepy dude's crotch, so what makes you think that I'd be bothered by being forced to penetrate someone, even if it was unwilling, so long as it was painless?

You may as well be commenting on the flavour of the moon, for all the authority you have on the subject.

All I'm saying is that no forced sexual assault or rape could possibly compare to losing my best friend four days after my eighteenth birthday. After that event, I became a shell of a man that has only recently grown back to my relatively normal self.

Since then, no death or bad news has had much of an impact on me at all, and I have received absolutely no reasoning from you as to why rape would be worse TO ME than physical torture or a broken fucking leg (the latter of which I've had).

Are you saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to not be emotionally bothered by something just because you were? That this person might instead by far more likely to be emotionally bothered by physical pain over forced activity?

Boudica:

runic knight:

Boudica:
You may as well be commenting on the flavour of the moon, for all the authority you have on the subject.

Kinda like how you have no authority on saying that he does or does not know what he is talking about and describing himself and not other people?
Not to sound like an ass here, but stop a moment, take a deep breath and reread his last posts. Sounds like you are getting riled up due to how the topic touches close to home, which is understandable and all, but in doing so, you are ignoring their post.

He's presuming to know what something is like when he has no way of even fathoming it. How he thinks he feels has no bearing on reality. You can think and imagine all you want, but if you don't have the experience, your words are hollow and empty.

You are not them, have not experienced what events have led to their view on life, their unusual values on self (the "no stock in their sexual organs" bit), their own trauma nor their own reactions to them. How can you say he is wrong about describing himself, when at best his response has been "I don't think that would affect me the same way", and he admits he doesn't know for certain anyways. Sorry, but it seems you are almost saying that regardless the situation, the individual characteristics of his personality or anything else, he would be affected in a similar fashion as you.

chimeracreator:

Mimsofthedawg:

To be honest, a part of this sounds fishy to me. Almost like the girl is fabricating the whole thing. BUT I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE... well... Who just walks away after a creepy dude puts his dick on you? NO NO, who let's themselves be in that situation?

I'm sure that there's a bunch of people who could jump all over me for what I just said. But honestly? It's really a whole lot less about what I just said, and a whole lot more of "WHY?!" This whole thing's just bizarre.

Actually it's a pretty easy scenario to see play out. It goes as follows:

1. The guy says his initial line after talking to her for a bit.

2. She looks at him funny says, "Yeah... no" walks away and pulls out her phone to text someone or check something on the Internet, but above all to indicate to said guy that the conversation is OVER.

3. He sees this as a challenge, walks over with his dick pulled out while she is looking at the phone not him.

4. He grabs her free hand and pulls it down and asked, "Is this big enough?"

5. She pulls her hand away. Figures out what she touched and walks the hell away with a thousand things going through her brain.

6. After clearing the room and collecting herself for a minute she goes to see a security guard, who blows her off.

As for why the guy would do it? He was drunk and wanted to show what a man he was. So yep, it strikes me as a very believable story and something that I hope gets addressed better at PAX in the future because this sort of behavior has no place in gamer culture.

That's if that is the truth... she admitted to being quite drunk... to the point where her memory is blurred. She could have led him on or there could have been a lot more dialogue involved! We are always so quick to beleive a bias, one-sided story...

Don't get me wrong, if that is what happened then it sucks... it sure does... but this is why we have courts and judges... so they can veiw all of the evidence, from all parties, and make a verdict.
Sounds to me like the guy was insecure, drunk and after a conversation alone with a girl, who sounded sympathetic and not the usual rejecting type he was used to, he misread the situation and made a stupid decision.
The fact that he didn't try and follow up on this the rest of the night meant that he obviously realised the error, and that the whole thing wasn't mallicious.

Sexual assault covers different areas... this, from what I can tell, would be groping... or inappropriate touching, and doesn't sound like it was mallicious, so probably wouldn't count in the long run.

She should view it as drunken error on both sides, and get on with her life being thankful that she wasn't actually attacked, or attempted to be raped!

chadachada123:

Boudica:

chadachada123:

You're ignoring what I said. You are an insult to other victims with your presumption that I would suffer like you would, or that all emotional pain is equal.

I'll repeat this: I don't hold much stock in my sexual organs. I already clarified that I see no real distinction outside of society's forced distinction between being forced to grab a creepy dude's arm and my hand being forced into creepy dude's crotch, so what makes you think that I'd be bothered by being forced to penetrate someone, even if it was unwilling, so long as it was painless?

You may as well be commenting on the flavour of the moon, for all the authority you have on the subject.

All I'm saying is that no forced sexual assault or rape could possibly compare to losing my best friend four days after my eighteenth birthday. After that event, I became a shell of a man that has only recently grown back to my relatively normal self.

Since then, no death or bad news has had much of an impact on me at all, and I have received absolutely no reasoning from you as to why rape would be worse TO ME than physical torture or a broken fucking leg (the latter of which I've had).

Are you saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to not be emotionally bothered by something just because you were? That this person might instead by far more likely to be emotionally bothered by physical pain over forced activity?

I'm saying you have no idea of the reality of the situation until you've been through it. Your supposed ideas and theories hold zero value when discussing things like this. You simply can't imagine it until it happens. Period.

90sgamer:

Azuaron:

Rocklobster99:

Holy shit, my sides.

Seriously? Your response to sexual assault is "that's hilarious"?

I think I'm going to instead believe that you just got back from boxing, and quoted that by accident.

Seriously? Is this one of those topics where nothing is funny ever? I resent your inflated sense of morality and I resent your attempt to force everyone else to be just as much a tightwad as you.

Azuaron finds it hilarious that some dickwad thought it would be a good idea to force a girl to grab his small cock through his pants. Strictly speaking, it's very sad that such dumbasses actually populate this earth. In fact, Earth is a very sad place to live for that reason. Some people address this sadness by finding things to laugh at. Then there are people like you, who choose to deal with it by being... what? Tighwads. Please understand that laughing at stupidity is a completely appropriate response.

Decent article, otherwise. I wonder what sway notch will have in metering out discipline on that lazy security guard.

First of all, I'm Azuaron, he's Rocklobster99.

Secondly, you have no idea about my sense of morality or my sense of humor, and are making gross generalizations about my entire personality.

So let me spell it out for you: The dickwolves comic? Hilarious. But the punchline wasn't, "Guy gets raped," the punchline was, "Look at how ridiculous and callous players are in MMOs." Here the "punchline" is... he made her touch his dick? She's traumatized and he needs to be jailed for the next five to ten years and permanently put on the sex offenders registry?

Boudica:
Care to elaborate on that nugget of supposed revelation?

Off-topic, but just a quick point to say I love this turn of phrase. I plan to use it in conversation at some point today (though I appreciate this will require me to try and get into a conflicting discussion with someone but Ill try!).

Slayer_2:

chadachada123:
I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

Time till the high-horse "it's different, but there is no double-standard!!!111one" oxymoron people quote you: 3, 2, 1, GO!

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

The problem with that is, that it's based on the idea that sexual assault is just a social construct, and therefore a matter of subjective morality.

Unless you want to make up some pseudoscientific hypothesis about how men are biologically haywired to shrug off sexual assault while women aren't, it basically means that sexual assault on men is OK, as long as culture teaches them that it is OK. In other words, women only receive emotional pain from sexual assault because they are taught to consider it a morally unacceptable attack on their identity.

If sexual assault is a matter of subjective morality, that can be ignored in some cases where the "victim" doesn't happen to feel victimized for cultural reasons, then the logical course of action to eliminate the dangers of sexual assault, would be to condition women that sexual assault is no big deal as well, so we could all live in a culture where we get equally raped, and equally not worrying about it.

Entitled:

Slayer_2:

chadachada123:
I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.

Time till the high-horse "it's different, but there is no double-standard!!!111one" oxymoron people quote you: 3, 2, 1, GO!

Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.

The problem with that is, that it's based on the idea that sexual assault is just a social construct, and therefore a matter of subjective morality.

Unless you want to make up some pseudoscientific hypothesis about how men are biologically haywired to shrug off sexual assault while women aren't, it basically means that sexual assault on men is OK, as long as culture teaches them that it is OK. In other words, women only receive emotional pain from sexual assault because they are taught to consider it a morally unacceptable attack on their identity.

If sexual assault is a matter of subjective morality, that can be ignored in some cases where the "victim" doesn't happen to feel victimized for cultural reasons, then the logical course of action to eliminate the dangers of sexual assault, would be to condition women that sexual assault is no big deal as well, so we could all live in a culture where we get equally raped, and equally not worrying about it.

Your problem is that you assume that sexual assault is intrinsically different from normal assault. You also fail to explain how sexual assault is equivalent to a 'social construct' here. The assault isn't a social construct, the *pain felt* is the construction of society, with women feeling more pain than men for cases like this.

Your conclusion doesn't follow your premise. We wouldn't live in a culture where we got equally sexually assaulted, we would live in a culture that didn't distinguish between assault (illegal) and sexual assault (illegal), both of which are, in the proposed model, not worth worrying about but ARE still illegal and worthy of legal punishment (or a punch to the face, to quote myself).

TL;DR: You don't need to feel traumatized to be a victim, and if the acts are still kept illegal, why in the hell wouldn't we want the average victim to not be traumatized if most of their traumatization is because of society's teachings to begin with?

Entitled:
The problem with that is, that it's based on the idea that sexual assault is just a social construct, and therefore a matter of subjective morality.

Unless you want to make up some pseudoscientific hypothesis about how men are biologically haywired to shrug off sexual assault while women aren't, it basically means that sexual assault on men is OK, as long as culture teaches them that it is OK. In other words, women only receive emotional pain from sexual assault because they are taught to consider it a morally unacceptable attack on their identity.

If sexual assault is a matter of subjective morality, that can be ignored in some cases where the "victim" doesn't happen to feel victimized for cultural reasons, then the logical course of action to eliminate the dangers of sexual assault, would be to condition women that sexual assault is no big deal as well, so we could all live in a culture where we get equally raped, and equally not worrying about it.

And isn't it partially a social construct? The same way "murder is bad" is also a social construct.

I've been in many situations that, if genders were reversed, would have been seen as sexual assault. Rape is a bit extreme, but things like groping, flashing, pulling off my pants with no warning at all, etc. If I showed my junk off to some random girls, I don't think they'd be happy, when I get flashed by girls I think it's awesome. Girls have grabbed my hand and put it on their crotch a few times, if I did that with a girl I just met, I'd be taking quite the risk, and likely be labelled a rapist, pervert or something similar.

Since having a vagina doesn't make you mentally weaker, you could argue that it is a social construct, and that women could theoretically be conditioned over decades to handle unwanted sexual advances differently. However, I wish you good luck on such an endeavor, since not only will you be labelled a "rape supporter" (and receive a myriad of other insults), but you will likely also be told that you are ignorant, misogynistic, and even psychopathic for such ideas. Forgive me if I'm rambling, it's late and I am quite tired. Anyhow, such talk is only inviting a lot of rage.

EvilChameleon:
Well, if she was trying to be "one of the guys" the proper response to that question wouldn't been "No, mine is bigger.".

As serious a matter this is, that made me laugh.

Andy Chalk:
But then everything went wrong. "At some point he raised a concern about being Asian and women not wanting him cause of some stereotypical view of penis size, and I was like 'most women will agree size doesn't matter' and went back to my phone,"

An thats the exact second you should have stood up & walked away: Its just common sense.

Andy Chalk:
Her friends tried to find the offender and at some point told security about it, which she said resulted in a "'What do you expect me to do?' response," but he was able to slip away without being identified or caught.

Of course it resulted in a "what do you expect me to do about it" response. I've done that job & i can tell you now that guy would have been out the door within seconds. An i'm betting the guard took a rudimentary description, but seriously, what did you think he was going to do?

Andy Chalk:
"People tell me I should've called the cops or screamed or made a huge scene, but I didn't want that type of attention and the reaction of the security guard made me feel like cops would be even more of a waste," she wrote. "I actually even deleted a lot of the tweets I posted, because I felt ashamed and embarrassed that this happened to me. I didn't want to ruin the party/PAX for other people. I don't want people to pity me."

You should feel ashamed and embarrassed... not for having some wanker do that, but for not having the social agency to take legitimate action in your own defense. There are so many things you could have done: Screamed "rape" (that shit is taken very seriously), photographed the guys face with your phone (you know, the one you were playing with), ran for help, kicked the guy in the balls, or knocked him on his ass, pantsed him & then yell "hey everyone look at this guys tiny cock" or any number of other courses of action.

This has always been my problem with the "don't victim blame" message currently being pandered around. Teaching people to take legitimate action in there own defense is not victim blaming, its common sense.

I'm sorry you had that happen to you, but lets be honest, you need to learn to be harder to render inert & learn to take legitimate actions in your defense. Social agency, maybe its time women learn how to defend themselves.

Let the flaming commence.

Rocklobster99:

Andy Chalk:

"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"

Holy shit, my sides.

Sounds like something out of one of those shitty Japanese dating games/rape sims.

Right, so here I'm seeing "Drunk creepy guy pulls stupid move" girl blows things out of proportion (pun intended.)

Drunk people, do stupid things, if she really had an issue with the guy she should have got up and walked away, like most sensible adults, even drunk ones can manage that. Ok, he shouldn't have had his dick out in the first place and should probably get done for public indecency, but I consider things like rape sexual assault. Nothing here says he went after her etc, just did something very very stupid and probably felt like a complete ass hat (If he was even sober enough to remember.)

Maybe I'm just not so prudish or something but touching a dudes penis is not really a biggy, he probably thought he was being super smooth or something. While I'm not saying this guy was in the right, he really wasn't, she had ample opportunity to get up and walk away too. Of course now that I've said this I will no doubt be labeled some woman beating, misogynistic, rapist molester from hell or something, cause everything's gotta be black and white yo.

chadachada123:

Your conclusion doesn't follow your premise. We wouldn't live in a culture where we got equally sexually assaulted, we would live in a culture that didn't distinguish between assault (illegal) and sexual assault (illegal), both of which are, in the proposed model, not worth worrying about but ARE still illegal and worthy of legal punishment (or a punch to the face, to quote myself).

TL;DR: You don't need to feel traumatized to be a victim, and if the acts are still kept illegal, why in the hell wouldn't we want the average victim to not be traumatized if most of their traumatization is because of society's teachings to begin with?

In your own posts, you compare this current case to being forced to grab someone's arm. Should making someone grabbing your arm be illegal, and if yes, should it earn the same level of punishment as sexual assault.

If breaking a leg and getting raped might cause comparable physical pain, then after ignoring the cultural severity of rape, which one's punishment should be matched with the other? Should rape be a misdemeanor like assault and battery, or should every case of causing physical pain to someone give the same several years of prison to you, regardless of whether or not it involved morally based emotional pain?

Elate:
Of course now that I've said this I will no doubt be labeled some woman beating, misogynistic, rapist molester from hell or something, cause everything's gotta be black and white yo.

Not from me you won't. I used to work security at pubs & night clubs for a few years until i got sick of seeing the shit women would get away with pulling (and i started to lose my hearing in one ear).

Fact is there was a shit load of actions she could have taken. Standing there & just doing nothing, then waiting to tell someone & then complaining about it online. I'd have to say this woman was victimised twice in that one night: Once by this guy & then a second time by her own inaction.

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