Greece Busts Game Dev "Spies"

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rembrandtqeinstein:
Can't wait for that game, I bet the greek prison stages will be really realistic.

I can't wait for the stealth part where you have to escape without killing anyone

I sorry what? Who cares about your military bases, it has been peace time for years now, with nothing indicating there will be a war. I guess there still is some tension with turkey but still. And before people say nato operations in the middle east, yeah I don't count that since it is not against a developed country really.

DVS BSTrD:
Artificer? Really?

If it really is the "genius loci" what made you think they would let these two idiots anywhere near it?

Wow, just wow. Since you don't know what they were talking about in the article, you mock it?

For your information, an Artificer isn't some magical profession from video games, its Latin for a skilled craftsman.

And "Genius Loci" comes from classical Roman (IE copied from the ancient Greeks) religion term "protective spirit of a place". In modern western usage, it means "spirit of a place". So if someone goes to record/photograph the 'genius loci' of a place, it means they're trying to capture the spirit of a place, IE trying to create a realistic environments for the game, which ARMA is known for.

Drejer43:
I sorry what? Who cares about your military bases, it has been peace time for years now, with nothing indicating there will be a war. I guess there still is some tension with turkey but still. And before people say nato operations in the middle east, yeah I don't count that since it is not against a developed country really.

Got news for you: There hasn't been a time on this planet in recent history (IE the last 200 years+) where a war hasn't raged somewhere, then you have to throw in terrorism into the plot.

So, by your definition, because its 'peace time', (which is a misnomer, since anyone who's lived with someone who's served/serving, has served in, knows anything about, the military knows that there's only two times: Conflict and Preparing for/warding against the next conflict.) Greece should throw its national security out the window?

In last 10 years alone the country has been the victim of several DOZEN terrorist attacks,

Do your research, because you don't know anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Greece

Now that is dedication.

It was also a monumentally stupid thing to do.
Not only was the whole venture pointless, because the level of fidelity sought by the developers is unnecessary for a game, but also, what exactly did the devs expected would happen if they got caught? It was an unnecessary risk, and it sounds like they didn't think things through.

Krantos:
Hilarious.

And Scary.

Some of those European countries take espionage pretty seriously.

Here's hoping they get out of that ok.

As opposed to those countries in which suspected spies are given a pat on the back for their effort?

Wait, what?

Marek ┼ápaněl (CEO of Bohemia Interactive) said today that those two guys were there just on vacation and that those photos don't have anything to do with the development of ARMA III. He also stressed that they only use publicly available materials, such as satellite photos, and would never break any laws. He is certain that this whole affair is just an "unfortunate misunderstanding".

Source (in Czech):http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/278521-cechum-zadrzenym-v-recku-za-spionaz-hrozi-az-dvacet-let-vezeni.html

Gilhelmi:
*THEY'RE STILL ALIVE!!!

But seriously, they could have been shot if they were caught at the base. Illegally photographing military installations will wind you up in jail in most western countries.

Sorry it was really anoying me :P.

OT: Stupid people are stupid. Channels exist for a reason.

Waaghpowa:

Boudica:
I suddenly want to buy an ARMA game.

That's some damn fine accidental marketing, guys!

I'm with you. You've got to give them credit for their dedication in wanting to make a realistic as possible military game.

Also, these guys are from the Czech republic, couldn't they have just asked for permission from their nations military to do research or are they just planning on getting as much info as possible from as many different militaries as possible? There's gotta be a better way than to sneak around with a cam corder.

Their games use maps of real places, ARMA 3 is set on that island in Greece (they just change the names).

The Greeks are just angry because they didn't book in advance with their estate agent. Proper procedures have to be followed when viewing and buying property you know.

Blazing Steel:

Gilhelmi:
*THEY'RE STILL ALIVE!!!

But seriously, they could have been shot if they were caught at the base. Illegally photographing military installations will wind you up in jail in most western countries.

Sorry it was really anoying me :P.

OT: Stupid people are stupid. Channels exist for a reason.

TY, Grammar is very important for accuracy. (I know it sounds like I am being sarcastic but I am not, I truly believe this)

ZeroAX:
Limnos is not a fictionalized version of Lemnos. Limnos is how Lemnos is spelled in Greek, but foreigners has trouble understanding that in Greek the i is always read as the e in Greece.

No "Limnos" is how "Λήμνος" is usually transliterated by modern Greeks.
It is neither fictionalised as "Limnos" as this article claiems nor "Limnos" is how it's spelled in Greek as you claim.

Eta, H or η as a vowel had in ancient Greek the sound of long ε but then at some time changed(along with various other vowel-letter) to having the sound of ι.
This is the phaenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iotacism or http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%99%CF%89%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82

So when most modern Greeks (or others) trannsliterate "Λήμνος" as Limnos they're trying to represent the "ι" (kind'a' short "ee" in English) sound;they don't write "Lemnos" because in their minds acoustically and coustic-optically "η"="ι" while "ε"=epsilon="e" (as in let's say Italian) does not sound "ι" and its family of letters ,it would be totally different.One of the many problems of course with this is that most Greeks transliterate in a fictional imagined non consistent kind'a' English alphabet.What we write in this fictional system-alphabet does not represent the sounds an English speaker would read and hear reading what has been written.
Most Greeks also don't know that ancient Greek pronunciation was different than the modern one(in fact there were plenty of different pronunciations through time and space).

On the other hand transliterating Λήμνος as Lemnos is more historically correct and certainly not fictional.It's how e.g. δημοκρατία - demokratia is translated in many languages.In English
it's democrasy ,not dimocrasy,nor thimocrasy (note to foreigners while Delta,Δ in ancient Greek sounded like "d" in modern Greek its sound is "th" as in English "this", "that" or "though").

But this is also not consistent; foreigners sometimes pronounce pronounce transilterated in this way words, closer to how ancient Greeks would have sounded pronouncing a Greek word than how modern Greeks pronounce it,sometimes closer to modern than ancient and most of the time totally different from both ancient and modern Greek pronunciation and closer to what their own languages and alphabets sound(also true for Latin words).E.g. Θουκυδίδης->Thucydides pronounced in English.
In classical Attic (I won't deal here with either duration or tone)
it would sound like T'u-ky-di-des .
Th=T'= T aspired(something like word initial T in English)
u like Latin or (more or less) Italian "u"
K instead of "s" sounding English "c"
Y as in (more or less) French "y"
d as in d
I as in (more or less) Italian or Latin i
d as in d
e as in (more or less) Italian e (long)
s as in s.

In modern Greek
it sounds like Thu-k~i-thi-this .
Th= As in English "th" in English "Thought"
u like (more or less) Latin or Italian "u"
K~ "k" instead of "s" sounding English "c" but a palatalised one.
I as in (more or less) Italian or Latin i.This is NOT the stressed vowel-syllable.
th as in (more or less) English "th" in "this"
I as in (more or less) Italian or Latin i .This IS the stressed vowel and syllable.
th as in (more or less) English "th" in "this"
e as in (more or less) Italian e (long)
s as in English "s" or between English "s" and "sh".

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Greek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Greek_phonology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_phonology

Blablahb:
This happened to a bunch of British tourists in 2001. It doesn't bode well for those developers. The Brits were given a scam trial and convicted to harsh prison sentences. And the Czech Republic is a lot easier to mess with than Great Britain.

Krantos:
Hilarious.
And Scary.
Some of those European countries take espionage pretty seriously.
Here's hoping they get out of that ok.

"European"? Greece is quite lonely in it's policy of thinking every picture taken of it's antique arsenal is worth of arrest, a scam trial and jail time, thank you.

Funny;I thought we spend so much money in the military since for ever because we're in a turbubelent region having very friendly and energetic neighbours.
But I guess I'm wrong;you must be right.After all the Turkish Military Forces are high-tech ones, top notch, while the Greek ones throw rocks and Greek Fire so why would e.g. the former want to have a video game wherefrom they could have gratis first rate depiction of Greek (national border area) military installations and wherein they could easily play in order to memorise fully how to move around in them?
Also not obeying the (Penal etc) Law is a crime only for "European" or advanced countries' citizens in their countries and especially for non "European" or advanced countries' citizens in "European" or "advanced" countries.Since Greece is not a "European" country,"Europeans" can't break the Greek Law cause they don't have to abide by or follow Greek Law;it's not really law for them;it's not even advisoral;it's more like something barbaric for and of the locals, the natives...

Dusty Donuts:

Irridium:
Isn't there, like, a permit or something they could have gotten before taking a bunch of pictures? This sounds like something you'd need a permit for.

Did you have a permit to write that? That sounds like something you'd need a permit for. I need a permit to get the modem to get the permit to get on this site.

OT: It's not like they can get away with it because "I was only stealing this money so I could build a house, not buy drugs!". The purpose comes down to that matter, although on that scale with all the military applications, it's probably pretty important to be distinguished as innocents.
Sounds like poor decision making on Bohemia Interactive's part.

In fact,based at least on media and other reports, they(the company, don't know about the employees) knew it's illegal but went on to send them anyway;and then tried to cover up their tracks(thread shut down) and moreover afterwards lied(yeah sure they were on vacation sightseeing) when in fact the arrestees had in the beginning said that they WERE collecting pictures and footage.
I guess basic common sense when in troubled countries,International Law and customs, Greek or other countries' (other than their own) Law and National Security is irrelevant to some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia_Interactive#Bohemia_Interactive_employees.27_alleged_espionage_arrest_on_Lemnos

After what Bohemia Interactive has done to the Russian choppers in ARMA 3 I find those "ultrarealism" claims a bit hard to swallow.

Carnagath:

I'm sure they'll be fine, as soon as it's clarified that they are actually not spies. Still, that is one of the most retarded things I've ever read. There are ways to ask for permission to do research, about your game or book or whatever. You might not be given permission if the information is sensitive, but that's the way the world works, you don't just barge in like a buffoon. Jesus.

While I don't disagree, based on my perspective it would seem prudent to charge the men with an easily proved crime like trespassing, operating without permits and the like without jumping straight to what is in many nations a capital offense.

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