Terraria Goes to Consoles, PC Gamers Go Nuts

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NvrPhazed:

EDIT: You too guy below me.

Oh, i understood it was a joke.
I'm just saying i don't come here for jokes, specially retarded ones.

Terraria doesn't need more content. You can already play it to the death.

What they could do is start working on a sequel that expands the gameplay elements.

Glad to see Mr. Chalk is maintaining his Fox News mindset of pointlessly inciting his audience with snide little comments.

l3o2828:

NvrPhazed:

EDIT: You too guy below me.

Oh, i understood it was a joke.
I'm just saying i don't come here for jokes, specially retarded ones.

So the solution is to obviously denigrate a journalist just because you and several people thought a joke he told wasn't funny. Sounds legit.

Waaghpowa:
I should also point out that I believe Andy is being facetious about PC gamers being inherently insecure, but I suspect that might go over peoples heads and conclusions will be jumped.

We already have a term for people who are intentionally trying to trick their audience into being angry for their own amusement, and it's still not an excuse, this is not something that we should expect from journalists.

Glad to see people here are not like those bunch on the facebook page. Theres usually a horrible bias to everything on this forum, but when it comes to games, everyone is pretty awesome.

Honestly, I tried to play Terraria, but I got it with the steam sale, and Issac was on my list to. When im on the comp, thats what im usually playing. Im really hoping that they do multiplayer, just like minecraft. Thats the big draw of having it on console.

Very glad to hear though, I would buy it again.

Waaghpowa:
Oh look, another instance of a vocal minority being a bunch of loud dicks that annoying haters are going to lump in with the whole group as an excuse to voice their irrational hatred.

As a PC gamer, I don't give a fuck that this game is multi platform, and neither should you or anyone for that matter. The only thing that should prevent a game from being multi plat is hardware limitations.

Hmmm, not sure that I agree. I don't think it's a vocal minority, but a case where it's a majority outrage.

Honestly I could care less, largely because I'm not heavily invested in this game, but I think you, and others, are kind of missing the point. From what I've seen and heard it's less about the game going to the consoles, as much as it is about the game needing work and promises of expansions which was part of what people bought into it, and the community surrounding it, for. Terraria for those into it was not *just* about the game but what surrounded it. The issue here is that the guy doing the game is retiring from it, and as a parting shot is putting the game onto consoles with exclusive content that isn't nessicarly going to be made availible for the PC version, when the guys who bought into the PC version feel that this effort should be directed at them since they already bought into the product. The PC gamers of course realizing that they provide very little in the way of finances to the creator having already paid him, where consoles will bring in entirely new customers and an influx of cash, hence PC gamers feeling they have been sold out.

To an extent what we're seeing here is what happens when a pie in the sky indie developer succeeds, and then winds up being held to those promises of support that they made which contributed to their success. Sure it's a $10 product (or whatever) but a LOT of Indie developers promise you the world for that, and apparently Terraria's developer was one of those. Practical in the long term or not, all those people who lined his pockets are holding him accountable.

There is also the issue of community divide, when you start releasing games cross platform, especially games with thriving communities on one platform when it was cross platform, there are issues as your basically bringing a lot of people in who might as well exist in an entirely differant dimension due to how they are accessing the game. Getting into a conversation with someone and then hitting a wall because of differant versions and nessicary differance between them and how they play is annoying. Not to mention the maturity factor, like it or not PC gamers DO tend to be older and a bit smarter/more mature than console gamers, the simplicity of which attracts a lower human denominator. It's not nice to point that out, but it happens to be true, and like everything there are exceptions especially sicne this is just tendencies. Inevitably when console versions for a PC exclusive are created, pre-existing communities tend to get flooded with kids and the really immature, and I think a lot of the problem is the Terraria gamers don't want to see this happen to their communities.

That's my thoughts at any rate, in the end though it doesn't really matter because the developer wants his payday before he pseudo-retires, the amount of bellyaching doesn't matter since he's already gotten all these people's money. Unless someone wanted to say hunt him down and take IRL action, it's not going to change, so the only real immature part is railing about something people should realize they can't (or rather won't) do anything about.

Entitled:

Waaghpowa:
I should also point out that I believe Andy is being facetious about PC gamers being inherently insecure, but I suspect that might go over peoples heads and conclusions will be jumped.

We already have a term for people who are intentionally trying to trick their audience into being angry for their own amusement, and it's still not an excuse, this is not something that we should expect from journalists.

I know it's not an excuse, but I still didn't interpret it as a serious comment. People's rage from such comments is easily predictable.

Vigormortis:

Andrewtheeviscerator:
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dangoball:
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ThaBenMan:
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Generalizations. Aren't they grand?

Hey, I never said ALL PC gamers are a certain way - I was just complaining about the ones going crazy over this, which there clearly are some of. And there are console gamers that do the same, I won't deny. I suppose I shouldn't have used the term "PC Elitism", though.

I can understand why some people would be upset if they were led to expect an update and, instead, got this. But the people frothing at the mouth just because console gamers will get to play the game, too? That's just sad.

NvrPhazed:

l3o2828:

NvrPhazed:

EDIT: You too guy below me.

Oh, i understood it was a joke.
I'm just saying i don't come here for jokes, specially retarded ones.

So the solution is to obviously denigrate a journalist just because you and several people thought a joke he told wasn't funny. Sounds legit.

It's not my fault he keeps doing it.

ScrabbitRabbit:
But the people frothing at the mouth just because console gamers will get to play the game, too? That's just sad.

not seen any. All the rage on this thread from PC gamers that I've seen is either at the implication of extra content for the consoles after they were told no more work was being done on it, and at accusations they gave a shit about the consoles getting the game.

Therumancer:
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I can understand if the outrage is due to the issues you have mentioned i.e. divided community, broken promises etc. I will admit, I don't follow this game much and have had little experience playing myself. If the game goes multi plat and loses some quality due to it, I wouldn't be too happy myslef.

My original intention of my comment was to address the accusations of whining and elitism that people who hypocritically abhor such behaviour while acting superior based on sweeping generalizations.

I assumed that there was something more to this than was apparent, but it wont stop self righteous assholes from jumping to conclusions.

I'm not all that fond of the decision, myself.

Consoles get enough perks with getting almost every single highly rated Japanese game that there is, exclusively. And a lot of high rated Western games, too. No, it's not just Japanese developers that are PC shy, even though it sadly happens more often. Then there's the fact that Terraria is a game clearly very suited to the PC and especially the mouse.

Also, to give consoles content that the PC won't get, is in my opinion kind of backwards. And PC gamers are the folks who gave it millions of sales to begin with. To hold content from them unless they support consoles gaming and ports isn't so nice. Then there's the fact that of all the updates to hype, this is not one that would garner a lot of happiness. There's all sorts of updates people hoped and dreamed would happen, but certainly not this.

I've got to admit, I don't align myself with the PC platform. Must PC gamers are first person shooter and and wRPG elitists. Or just elitists for their platform in general. Then there's even PC elitists here who said that the console discipline of gaming is vastly inferior to the PC one, despite the fact that the vast majority of the greatest games ever made are console exclusive titles, or were developed first with consoles only in mind and have received a shoddy PC port or only received a PC port later in life. Enough for me to think very negatively upon the term "PC gaming". But Terraria is something that could make me get behind PC gaming and is certainly something about the so called "PC gaming discipline" that shined.

It's pretty much one of the best PC games ever made. I have to say. So to see this happen, eh, not so great.

Petromir:
not seen any. All the rage on this thread from PC gamers that I've seen is either at the implication of extra content for the consoles after they were told no more work was being done on it, and at accusations they gave a shit about the consoles getting the game.

Not on this thread, I was referring to the Facebook comments. Even so, there aren't as many people complaining about that as the consoles getting extra content, but there are people making it a point of contention.

I don't mean to imply that's the main source of anger, though.

Andy Chalk:
Released back in May 2011, the action-adventure-RPG Terraria was a pretty big hit as far as indie PC games go, topping the Steam sales charts with roughly 200,000 copies sold during its first week of release and earning a cool $2 million along the way. Re-logic, the studio behind the game, announced in February 2012 that after one final bug fix, development of the game would cease; creator Andrew Spinks said he had a new son on the way, and that he wanted to spend some time "recharging and bettering myself as both a programmer and game designer."

The game actually sold over a million copies: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/63090/Terraria-Update-Trailer-Reveals-Over-1-Million-Copies-Sold

According to ShackNews it has so far sold a staggering amount of 1.6 Million copies on PC, which is rather amazing for an Indie game if you don't mind me saying so.

I think this is rather an exercise on how to fail at PR, first he tells everyone that there is going to be no more updates and that he has "moved on" after promising a lot and also delivering lots of Patches but falling short, and everyone goes "aww, shucks, well too bad but alright".

THEN he goes on to make a big deal out of revealing a big Announcement for the game months ago, similar to what Obsidian is doing right now: http://www.obsidianent.com/ (imagine that turning out to be a Console port of Neverwinter Nights 2 and the reactions).

And after he got everyone in his 1.6 Million large audience all giddy for months awaiting new content or something he tells them that it'll be a Console release, and it'll have more content on there too!

This should be a 3-Step guide somewhere on how to piss off your audience immensely. If I cared much about the game I'd be pissed too :P

RedEyesBlackGamer:

It seems like half my comments nowadays are just pointing out how unprofessional this site's news articles are. Seriously, why make this comment?

Because most of the "news" articles on this site, anymore, are designed to flame-bait and stir up hateful arguing.

Most of the time, the only non-inflammatory news posts I see come from a "once-in-a-while" contributor.

Pardon me, but it's a fucking shame. I joined this site in 2007, and it was nothing like that back then. It was a place for well-mannered, level-headed gamers could go to talk about their passion for gaming.

What the hell happened?

Waaghpowa:

Entitled:

Waaghpowa:
I should also point out that I believe Andy is being facetious about PC gamers being inherently insecure, but I suspect that might go over peoples heads and conclusions will be jumped.

We already have a term for people who are intentionally trying to trick their audience into being angry for their own amusement, and it's still not an excuse, this is not something that we should expect from journalists.

I know it's not an excuse, but I still didn't interpret it as a serious comment. People's rage from such comments is easily predictable.

They might be, but they are also RIGHT.

I'm not a fan of the "don't feed the trolls" theory. You can't fight ignorance by ignoring it, and you can't combat those who treat the Internet as their LULZground, by not taking them seriously.

If someone acts offensively, fucking call them out on it. We need more people taking comment sections seriously, not taking them less seriously.

This is one of the worst written articles I've ever seen. I've read sophomore essays better then this.

ThaBenMan:

Vigormortis:

Andrewtheeviscerator:
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dangoball:
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ThaBenMan:
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Generalizations. Aren't they grand?

Hey, I never said ALL PC gamers are a certain way - I was just complaining about the ones going crazy over this, which there clearly are some of. And there are console gamers that do the same, I won't deny. I suppose I shouldn't have used the term "PC Elitism", though.

Fair enough.

It's just, around here PC gamers are almost unanimously generalized as elitist, whiny assholes simply because a few among us act childishly.

Worse, when someone does insult PC gamers in that way, like Andy Chalk did in the article, most people respond with agreement.

Yet, if I even hinted that I thought all console gamers were hormone-crazed, racist 12 year-olds I'd be berated into oblivion for being too judgmental and for "generalizing".

So I guess when someone starts making comments about PC elitism I just naturally assume they're referring to all PC gamers.

My apologies.

Tiamat666:
Terraria doesn't need more content. You can already play it to the death.

What they could do is start working on a sequel that expands the gameplay elements.

one of the devs of terraria (Tiy) started another studio, and is now working on Starbound, a spiritual sequel to terraria, which actually looks good already

Vigormortis:
Yet, if I even hinted that I thought all console gamers were hormone-crazed, racist 12 year-olds I'd be berated into oblivion for being too judgmental and for "generalizing".

You'd probably also get a warning for being an ass, while all the people calling elitist always get a pass.

The fuck is wrong with people. How is this something to get angry about?! I play exclusively on PC, but I rarely even dare mention that because of the frankly shameful reputation a "PC gamer" has these days. Stop being such bellends already! It's embarrasing to live in the same dimension as you, and I wish you'd all go far away where there is no internet, and burry yourself to your necks in sand.

Waaghpowa:

Vigormortis:
Yet, if I even hinted that I thought all console gamers were hormone-crazed, racist 12 year-olds I'd be berated into oblivion for being too judgmental and for "generalizing".

You'd probably also get a warning for being an ass, while all the people calling elitist always get a pass.

Yeah I have noticed that double-standard as well. I think I will go ahead and write to the editor about my disapproval of this article's content. It might not do anything but when something is distasteful its best to let them know.

Entitled:
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I agree, but I suppose that my initial reaction to it was that I didn't find it offensive like other people have.

I honestly do not understand how Andy chalk is still employed by escapist.. Unless Escapistmagazine think its fine to have a contributor lying and trolling the forum.

GAunderrated:

Waaghpowa:

Vigormortis:
Yet, if I even hinted that I thought all console gamers were hormone-crazed, racist 12 year-olds I'd be berated into oblivion for being too judgmental and for "generalizing".

You'd probably also get a warning for being an ass, while all the people calling elitist always get a pass.

Yeah I have noticed that double-standard as well. I think I will go ahead and write to the editor about my disapproval of this article's content. It might not do anything but when something is distasteful its best to let them know.

Write about the double standard I mentioned as well, maybe we'll start seeing mods shelling out warnings for the PC haters. It's incredibly annoying to have entire threads of people doing nothing but being self righteous assholes, throwing around elitist generalizations and getting away with it.

Sober Thal:
More reason to never call myself a PC Gamer.

After playing the hell out of Terraria, (and giving away a few copies to people on this website) I took a break. Fired it up some time later, and BAM! tons more content, rinse repeat several times, and I'm sure if I logged on today, there would be even more cool stuff.

But (some) PC gamers aren't happy with that, and they want to rage that consoles get to have some fun too.

Boo friggin Hoo

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Probably not, and for the reason I put below:

The only thing I'm upset about is the Terraria devs' decision to stop adding updates to Terraria. I couldn't care less about the console release, it's the lack of updates that has me sad. :(

l3o2828:

NvrPhazed:

l3o2828:

Oh, i understood it was a joke.
I'm just saying i don't come here for jokes, specially retarded ones.

So the solution is to obviously denigrate a journalist just because you and several people thought a joke he told wasn't funny. Sounds legit.

It's not my fault he keeps doing it.

So the man likes to make slightly (yes slightly [you know what: VERY SLIGHTLY this isn't even a big deal]) inflammatory jokes in a sarcastic way (that's pretty obvious) on his news posts. It sure as hell beats monotonous reading. Most people who hate Andy Chalk hate him because they think it's cool to hate him since veteran escapist members are doing it (oh boy AndyHater101 is hating on Andy Chalk let's do it too) , and don't realize that he does what most of them like to do: "Lighten the mood", and I put that in quotes because it is that important. It seems like the Escapist community can't take a joke anymore without pouring the gas and lighting it.

All I have to say is this quote from Totalbiscuits Twitter "Terraria coming to consoles! And everyone yawns at the announcement and moves on since you could run Terraria on a bloody toaster anyway"

NvrPhazed:

l3o2828:

NvrPhazed:

So the solution is to obviously denigrate a journalist just because you and several people thought a joke he told wasn't funny. Sounds legit.

It's not my fault he keeps doing it.

So the man likes to make slightly (yes slightly [you know what: VERY SLIGHTLY this isn't even a big deal]) inflammatory jokes in a sarcastic way (that's pretty obvious) on his news posts. It sure as hell beats monotonous reading. Most people who hate Andy Chalk hate him because they think it's cool to hate him since veteran escapist members are doing it (oh boy AndyHater101 is hating on Andy Chalk let's do it too) , and don't realize that he does what most of them like to do: "Lighten the mood", and I put that in quotes because it is that important. It seems like the Escapist community can't take a joke anymore without pouring the gas and lighting it.

All i'm going to say is that a person in his position isn't here to make jokes or lighten up the mood, specially with inflammatory comments, them being small or outright trollish.

I think Chalk needs to stop doing comments about Nazi ideals inside of Germany, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

I'll be a bit upset if we never get the extra content on the PC.

But otherwise, I'm happy console owners get to play Terraria. It's a fun little game. :P

NvrPhazed:

l3o2828:

NvrPhazed:

So the solution is to obviously denigrate a journalist just because you and several people thought a joke he told wasn't funny. Sounds legit.

It's not my fault he keeps doing it.

So the man likes to make slightly (yes slightly [you know what: VERY SLIGHTLY this isn't even a big deal]) inflammatory jokes in a sarcastic way (that's pretty obvious) on his news posts. It sure as hell beats monotonous reading. Most people who hate Andy Chalk hate him because they think it's cool to hate him since veteran escapist members are doing it (oh boy AndyHater101 is hating on Andy Chalk let's do it too) , and don't realize that he does what most of them like to do: "Lighten the mood", and I put that in quotes because it is that important. It seems like the Escapist community can't take a joke anymore without pouring the gas and lighting it.

There are perfectly legitimate ways to entertaining without insulting your audience with generalizations and flame comments. I read extra punctuation every week and not once did I feel yatzee make a inflammatory comment towards his audience and its a really good read.

Vigormortis:
My apologies.

No problem, my friend. Just wanted to clarify :)

MrTub:
I honestly do not understand how Andy chalk is still employed by escapist.. Unless Escapistmagazine think its fine to have a contributor lying and trolling the forum.

I don't see any examples of lying and trolling. First paragraph says Terraria is a big hit and the dev said it would hit it's final bug fix cause he was having a son. (plus stuff about being a better designer/programmer)

Terraria was a pretty big hit as far as indie PC games go

creator Andrew Spinks said he had a new son on the way

Then it says there was an announcement, but people weren't happy about it.

but it's safe to say that the "joy" part of the equation is out the window.

Then it says the facebook page is full of angry people because they think it's a cash grab and that there isn't any indication of more content for PC.

the majority of the anger seems to be directed at the developer's decision to release a "cash grab" console version rather than a proper update for the PC. Fueling that rage is the fact that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 editions will feature extra content, but there's been no indication that the new material, whatever it may be, will be released for the PC.

Then it says there's some people on the page who aren't angry and people who are overreacting are filling up the page.

There has been some pushback from gamers who think the outraged reaction has gone too far(~~~)but overall, doom, gloom and idiot rage rule the roost.

So he's not trolling and he's not lying.
...Yeah, I read the facebook page. That stuff is ridiculous.
EDIT: Further reading.
At least SOME people are angry about the right thing.

What a fail... I spent 2 days getting excited about the possible news, and its just a console version. Talk about over-hyping something irrelevant to 90% of your CURRENT audience. Thanks for the great game, but seriously let down on the news.

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