iOS Game Takes Mario Knockoffs to The Next Level

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Boudica:
He doesn't need to add anything to it, no. If he/she can work out how to make your product and offers it at better quality and/or cheaper and/or with better service? Awesome. If not, I'll buy from the original creator.

Even ignoring corporatism and greed, by definition, the original creator will never be the person who can sell at the same quality and price.

If I spend a hundred thousand dollars to develop something, I need to recoup my costs. Thus, I need to sell my product at a price sufficient to make back my hundred thousand dollars. I can sell this product for fifty dollars a pop, and I'll still need to sell two thousand just to break even.

If I release my product, and someone else spends a thousand dollars copying it, he only needs to recoup a thousand dollars. He can sell the product for ten bucks each, and if he sells a hundred he's set.

So whoever develops the product, under your model, is always the guy who can't sell it for less, which means that every inventor ends up going bankrupt. Which means that no one invents anything, not because they're greedy, but because they are broke.

LordBongo:
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I can understand where you're coming from; I'm a programmer.

I remember there being an economic term for the types of goods we produce. I can't remember what it was, but the basic idea is that to produce it takes a large initial investment, but each subsequent sale comes at a relatively low cost. These are things like music, computer programs, books, and, in your case, graphics.

I think copyright laws are almost exclusively written for these types of goods. After all, if it's easy for the producer to sell a copy of the initial good, what's to stop some other person looking for a quick buck from doing it?

Friv:
Which means that no one invents anything, not because they're greedy, but because they are broke.

You are far, far, far too focused on money. That's one of the problems with this society; we are driven to work ourselves into a shiny grave, to spend three quarters of our life working towards one quarter of living. Worse yet, most people genuinely believe there is no other option, that life simply works that way.

I've news for you, most every major invention ever, was brought about by need, not through greed. From the light bulb to the syringe (both of which were invented by people that never got rich from their creation), we make things because we want them. It's only in the capitalist cesspit that greed and not human spirit drives creation.

Boudica:

Friv:
Which means that no one invents anything, not because they're greedy, but because they are broke.

You are far, far, far too focused on money. That's one of the problems with this society; we are driven to work ourselves into a shiny grave, to spend three quarters of our life working towards one quarter of living. Worse yet, most people genuinely believe there is no other option, that life simply works that way.

I've news for you, most every major invention ever, was brought about by need, not through greed. From the light bulb to the syringe (both of which were invented by people that never got rich from their creation), we make things because we want them. It's only in the capitalist cesspit that greed and not human spirit drives creation.

So I assume that means you're not working right now, right? At least, not for money. And you sustain yourself all by your own means, completely off the grid with your own power supply, growing your own food and pumping your own water? Sewing your own clothes, building your own appliances and electronics completely from scratch with no pre-built components? Making your own medicine for when you get sick, refining your own materials to use as bandages? Creating your own entertainment, such as games or reading, to pass whatever free time you might have after all of the daily work you must need to do just to upkeep your home?

Stop derailing this news post.

OT: When I saw what looks like 'blond' hair scribbled onto his head in the screenshots, I was incredibly afraid. The entire thing looks a bit 'uncanny valley' weird, to be frank.

anyone got a picture of that god of warriors bit mentioned? (it's not appearing in the itunes store for me) or I guess y'all are too busy arguing with a communist about something idk lol fun fun

Mumorpuger:
"It's-a me, Mark!"

lol.

in other news: this kind of stuff is ridiculous. I mean seri--

*looks down at vendor box selling "Funny Birds".

hmm...these plushies look very familiar .. -_-

Boudica:

Friv:
Which means that no one invents anything, not because they're greedy, but because they are broke.

You are far, far, far too focused on money. That's one of the problems with this society; we are driven to work ourselves into a shiny grave, to spend three quarters of our life working towards one quarter of living. Worse yet, most people genuinely believe there is no other option, that life simply works that way.

I've news for you, most every major invention ever, was brought about by need, not through greed. From the light bulb to the syringe (both of which were invented by people that never got rich from their creation), we make things because we want them. It's only in the capitalist cesspit that greed and not human spirit drives creation.

Which is why so many inventors have died impoverished, having been taken advantage of, years before they should have. Which is why those people should have protections, so that people who are greedy don't take advantage of them, which are exactly the protections that you want to remove, allowing greedy people to dominate the planet.

I'm not talking about making vast wealth. I'm talking about making enough money for your company/self to continue existing. Until you invent a post-scarcity economy, that is in fact something that we have to take into account.

That One Six:
Yeah... If Nintendo forced the Legend of Zelda Total War mod to go offline, this isn't going to last a week.

WAITWHATWHENTHEHELLDIDTHISHAPPEN?!?!?!?!

P-please tell me it ain't so, bro!

Boudica:
The problem with intellectual property and copyright: competition can't compete to offer the same experience. I'd actually like it a lot of copyright went away and people could out-and-out clone products. The big guys might hate it and throw a tantrum, but people could offer the Mario experience (for example) cheaper, better and more often.

Game A not on the system you own? Someone can port it for you.

Game B too much? Someone will make it and sell it cheaper.

Game C have too many bugs? Someone will make a smoother version.

Actually, if gaming has showed us anything it's that we CAN compete. In the 80s and into the 90s, there were a ton of Mario style platformers. Some good, some bad. The shooter is still experiencing a boom, though that may be near an end. Hard to tell, but we're getting less shooter fanfare unless your name includes "Call" and "Duty." Fighting games and RPGs of the 90s? Sandboxes and WRPGs? We have the term "(game name) clone" for a reason.

You can create a comparable (same) experience without removing intellectual property laws. This game is absolutely no exception.

Boudica:
You are far, far, far too focused on money. That's one of the problems with this society; we are driven to work ourselves into a shiny grave, to spend three quarters of our life working towards one quarter of living. Worse yet, most people genuinely believe there is no other option, that life simply works that way.

I've news for you, most every major invention ever, was brought about by need, not through greed. From the light bulb to the syringe (both of which were invented by people that never got rich from their creation), we make things because we want them. It's only in the capitalist cesspit that greed and not human spirit drives creation.

Okay, full disclosure: I'm an author trying to get published. So maybe I'm a little biased here.

On the other hand, I don't really care much about piracy and while I don't endorse it, I don't think I'd ever go pursue people for "pirating" my work.

That being said, I have to ask: what's so bad about creators being able to make money off their work?

Granted, I write in my spare time, but a lot of people don't. A lot of people do these things professionally. When you talk about Mario, you're talking about a collaborative effort among many people and you're also talking about a lot of up-front cost in terms of development.

Granted, Nintendo doesn't need to be a multi-million/billion dollar company, but why don't these people deserve to get paid for their creations? Why should other people be able to make money off something that is not their own? Why should someone else make money off the sweat of your brow?

I don't believe in absolute or permanent IP rights (it's a joke, for example, that "Happy Birthday" is not public domain), but we're talking active, recent developments and work by current people.

Basically, why shouldn't idea people be able to profit from ideas?

Boudica:
Are you just typing random words in circles? In one comment you managed to argue against yourself several times, setting up one straw man, knocking it down and then setting up an entirely opposing straw man and knocking that one down, too.

AzrealMaximillion:
You assume that if we had a Laissez-Faire market, people would make high quality clones all the time.

AzrealMaximillion:
You may not have said anything about inferior clones

AzrealMaximillion:
Being stagnant is view negatively. Look at what happened to Guitar Hero. 23 Spinoffs within 5 years was what killed that craze. Profit wasn't even made off of the franchise due to excessive milkage. Look at how Call of Duty is looked upon now.

AzrealMaximillion:

My point is that if the product is a clone and not as good, it will not sell. Again, look at Guitar Hero and Call of Duty

Boudica:
If the product is bad, people won't buy it.

See right there? How, pray tell, does that infer me saying "people would only make high quality clones all the time"? It doesn't. Because I never said that. People don't buy clones? Call of Duty is a clone? One of the highest selling franchises of all time, people don't buy? It's another example of you saying (typing) words without actually thinking about the argument you are replying to.

Yet you have no points to back up how your dream market would work. Simply saying that "if a product is bad people won't buy it" is a horrible argument. People buy horrible products all the time. The Zune, The Virtual Boy, The N-Gage, anything on the Shop Channel. They all get sold due to marketing, another facet of economics which you don't seem to get.

You claim that I'm putting up straw man argument and yet have the weakest points. You argument is weaker than a straw man. Its almost non existent and doesn't even take basic economic into account at all. All you've done is attack my points with no backing, so until you can show that your idea of a economy that runs on no originality works you may as well throw in the towel on this one.

Sean951:

That One Six:
Yeah... If Nintendo forced the Legend of Zelda Total War mod to go offline, this isn't going to last a week.

The mod is still up and running... it was updated just 11 hours ago.

aegix drakan:

That One Six:
Yeah... If Nintendo forced the Legend of Zelda Total War mod to go offline, this isn't going to last a week.

WAITWHATWHENTHEHELLDIDTHISHAPPEN?!?!?!?!

P-please tell me it ain't so, bro!

Oh, okay, I'm wrong. Sorry. D= I just remember reading a news story a little while ago about Nintendo filing a cease and desist...

Captcha - "One fell swoop" With one fell swoop, I have destroyed all my credibility.

Boudica:
The problem with intellectual property and copyright: competition can't compete to offer the same experience. I'd actually like it a lot of copyright went away and people could out-and-out clone products. The big guys might hate it and throw a tantrum, but people could offer the Mario experience (for example) cheaper, better and more often.

Game A not on the system you own? Someone can port it for you.

Game B too much? Someone will make it and sell it cheaper.

Game C have too many bugs? Someone will make a smoother version.

Game not on the system you own? Tough tooters, buddy. See also Bayonetta 2.

Game too expensive for your entitled ass? Just buy the cheap knockoff made from the same code! Because how dare the original content creator get recognition and you know, eat.

Boudica:

cookyt:
A shady developer, for instance, could just rip the textures from an existing game and use it in his own.

You say that like it's a bad thing :P

I support communist, so perhaps my ideals for society don't align with many others', making it hard for us to see eye to eye.

So why innovate? If someone else could do all the work for you, without any reward, just to have it ripped off by some lazy ass?

I could do something truly new that would benefit the industry, and not eat.

I could directly rip off the guy who made the innovation for no cost, sell it as my own work, and eat! Yaay! Industry Stagnation.

ResonanceSD:

Boudica:
The problem with intellectual property and copyright: competition can't compete to offer the same experience. I'd actually like it a lot of copyright went away and people could out-and-out clone products. The big guys might hate it and throw a tantrum, but people could offer the Mario experience (for example) cheaper, better and more often.

Game A not on the system you own? Someone can port it for you.

Game B too much? Someone will make it and sell it cheaper.

Game C have too many bugs? Someone will make a smoother version.

Game not on the system you own? Tough tooters, buddy. See also Bayonetta 2.

Game too expensive for your entitled ass? Just buy the cheap knockoff made from the same code! Because how dare the original content creator get recognition and you know, eat.

That's pretty much been what people have been trying to hell her all this time. I don't know why she's so adamant on this idea when its clear it doesn't work.

Boudica:

cookyt:
A shady developer, for instance, could just rip the textures from an existing game and use it in his own.

You say that like it's a bad thing :P

I support communist, so perhaps my ideals for society don't align with many others', making it hard for us to see eye to eye.

Another Comrade? Excellent.

*buys the game*

That One Six:

Sean951:

That One Six:
Yeah... If Nintendo forced the Legend of Zelda Total War mod to go offline, this isn't going to last a week.

The mod is still up and running... it was updated just 11 hours ago.

aegix drakan:

That One Six:
Yeah... If Nintendo forced the Legend of Zelda Total War mod to go offline, this isn't going to last a week.

WAITWHATWHENTHEHELLDIDTHISHAPPEN?!?!?!?!

P-please tell me it ain't so, bro!

Oh, okay, I'm wrong. Sorry. D= I just remember reading a news story a little while ago about Nintendo filing a cease and desist...

Captcha - "One fell swoop" With one fell swoop, I have destroyed all my credibility.

*aims at you with his golden borderlands sniper rifle.....Then deliberately misses*

*villainous accent* Let zat be a varning, messieur! Don't evver scare me like zat! */end villainous accent*

But no, really, it's ok. As long as the mod is still up, I'm happy. XD

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