Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

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Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

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Team Ninja's Yohei Shimbori on putting fans first.

Ninja Gaiden 3 didn't fare particularly well with critics, but it was long-term fans that dished out the harshest criticism. Lacking Tomonobu Itagaki's influence, Team Ninja elected to take the series in a more casual friendly direction, which left a lot of fans out in the cold. Dead Or Alive director, Yohei Shimbori, claims the studio has learned from the experience.

"One of the things that I learned was the power of having a series behind you, and what it means to be part of a series," he told Gamasutra. "There are existing fans out there, and you have to think about the people who have supported the series for so long, and you want to make sure that the game that you make appeals to them first, and satisfies those fans first."

Shimbori didn't work on Ninja Gaiden 3, but the title's failure to impress its core fan base did inform his decisions when it came to Dead or Alive 5. In particular, it made him consider the series' focus on nubile young ladies with absurd, gravity-defying breasts.

"We were getting feedback from the overseas offices to tone down the sexuality -- to tone down the sexiness of the game, and of the characters," he said, before adding that fans of the series wanted the exact opposite.

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing it, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

"There's definitely still room for having sexualized aspects," he continued. "If you have a solid fighting game system there, there's nothing wrong with having beautiful characters as a layer on top of that -- that's another layer of entertainment that there's a need for. If there wasn't a need for it, people wouldn't have responded to the alpha demo like they did, and send us feedback."

While I admit I'm somewhat skeptical that Shimbori was "surprised" by the fact that a large proportion of Dead or Alive fans are fond of breasts - especially since Team Ninja has produced a number of games deliberately designed to tap directly into that demographic - putting core fans above mainstream appeal is an admirable idea.

Source: Gamasutra

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Why is he giving what's her face material for sexim? It's like he wants that a flame war will happen.

Yo girl! Your tits are huge and Matt from two best friend's approve of this game

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing it, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

No...that's not creepy feedback at all. Call the plastic surgeons and get me an industrial strength car jack; we've got chests augment.

I think these girls promote a healthy diet more than objectification. Team Ninja always makes sure the audience is painfully aware they have two large cups of milk before each fight.

DVS BSTrD:
I think these girls promote a healthy diet more than objectification. Team Ninja always makes sure that they have two large cups of milk before each fight.

I have indeed seen what you did there.

But seriously, how hard is it to make a "solid fighting game"? Aren't they just reskinning the older ones with new graphic textures?

<.> they're already absurdly large as it is... any bigger and its just silly... also, impossible to get off to...<.<

People ask them to make the characters boobs bigger just to see if they do it, and how big they make them. It's more like they are challenging them to be obscene.

They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

And no wonder the "overseas office" would just follow the latest trend without doing proper market research first :P

I wouldn't have the uh...confidence...to ask for that kind of change, even if it was something I wanted in a particular game. So, props for that, I guess.

Vidya gamers like dem tits? Stop the presses!

Come on though, they're already ridiculously disproportionate as is. Making them even BIGGER? Didn't they do that to Ivy in Soul Calibur? There's sexualised characters and then there's circus attraction.

Dexter111:
They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

Well, I'm sure that the fans of Breastfighter 5 Dead or Alive 5 will be thrilled to hear this. The rest of us will be left to puzzle out why we're always fighting this bizarre preconception that gamers are all immature manchildren.

Someone should really do a variation of Advice Wolf called "Wrong Lesson Shimbori".

"Fans didn't like last game because of poor gameplay?

Ignore gameplay, make characters tits bigger."

I will counter this screwed stereotype pandering with more of the same: Doesn't our male gaming youth have large enough breasts already?

Grey Carter:
- especially since Team Ninja has produced a number of games deliberately designed to tap directly into that demographic -

Grey Carter:
...deliberately designed to tap directly into that demographic...

Grey Carter:
...tap directly into that demographic...

Grey Carter:
...tap ... that demographic...

I see what you did there.

The Rogue Wolf:
Well, I'm sure that the fans of Breastfighter 5 Dead or Alive 5 will be thrilled to hear this. The rest of us will be left to puzzle out why we're always fighting this bizarre preconception that gamers are all immature manchildren.

Yes because as we know if you are a gamer, you must be a fighting game fan & must own every version of DOA. /facepalm.

I say good on them, if thats what they want in there game there is no reason why they shouldn't have it. No legal reason, no moral reason, no ethical reason: Let them eat cake... Cake shapped like big bouncy boobies.

Just like all movies are not made for a single demographic, an all books aren't made for a single demographic, neither are computer/video games. If thats what these said people really want in this one specific game, i see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have it.

matthew_lane:

The Rogue Wolf:
Well, I'm sure that the fans of Breastfighter 5 Dead or Alive 5 will be thrilled to hear this. The rest of us will be left to puzzle out why we're always fighting this bizarre preconception that gamers are all immature manchildren.

Yes because as we know if you are a gamer, you must be a fighting game fan & must own every version of DOA. /facepalm.

I say good on them, if thats what they want in there game there is no reason why they shouldn't have it. No legal reason, no moral reason, no ethical reason: Let them eat cake... Cake shapped like big bouncy boobies.

Just like all movies are not made for a single demographic, an all books aren't made for a single demographic, neither are computer/video games. If thats what these said people really want in this one specific game, i see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have it.

amen to that. DoA occupies that special place in the vidya game world. decent fighting game, titties galore.

Personally I prefer the old character models. That said, I could live with the new ones.

But the breast physics are the worst ever. They don't just jiggle excessively when recognizable forces of inertia are applied, as in the old ones, they sway in the wind for no reason at all. I imagine kelp waving in the ocean when I see them.

I used to think the jiggle physics in the old games were a bit over the top, but in this game they make MK Deadly Alliance look realistic, and that is seriously missing the mark right there.

As for the overall game itself, the fighting is great, they haven't ruined that, and the plethora of stages are awesome. Some serious "wow" moments occur on some stages, and this is from a longtime fan of the series. The "story" blows, I preferred the disjointed nonsensical "story" of the old games, that didn't even try to tie a narrative together, but this one is insultingly stupid, and has waaaaay too many cutscenes. Of course, I can't imagine anyone plays these games for the story.

But I'm able to have one-on-one matches with my old fighting buddy online, with minimal lag despite my crap internet connection, so I'm having fun.

I can totally appreciate large breasts, but DoA literally makes them out of water/air or something. They start jiggling for no apparent reason at any given moment.

The developers need to understand that even large breasted-females don't jiggle anywhere near as much as they seem to think they do, especially when they're wearing some kind of top clothing (even if it's a bikini/bra/whatever).

Also, inb4 the feminists come here and start crying about sexual objectification. Their whining (they call it "criticism") is about as effective to developers like these as an ant trying to push a brick across a desert (in Yahtzee's words).

Nalgas D. Lemur:

HAHAHA what the flipping hell did I just watch?! Oh god my sides :S

I like boobs more then the next guy, but if I want to watch big boobs I will watch porn.

Evil Smurf:
I like boobs more then the next guy, but if I want to watch big boobs I will watch porn.

Pretty much beat me to the punch on this one.

I can't say that voluptuous character models bother me, per se; frankly, It'd put a smile on my face if this/games in general, when making a sexy/sexualized female character, put a little more junk in the trunk. What can I say? I'm a heterosexual male & I like women.

That said...
I genuinely hope that Yohei Shimbori is just missing the real reason why his last game bombed, & that he didn't actually get a hurricane of emails telling him that EVEN MORE UNREALISTIC TITS is what the fans of the series really want (you know, as opposed to a better game)

I'm not sure if this is another example of a developer of a franchise losing touch with the fans and community/what made the first game great/reality, or if I should lose even less faith in the fighting game community itself; because as much as it pains me to say this (I used to hustle Smash Bros tournaments), I can't say I'd be terribly surprised by either

this might be even worse than when people were hating on mortal kombate vs dc because it didn't have enough gore in it despite being a very fun fighting game. as for the game itself it looks like a rental to me but it might surprise me.

CardinalPiggles:
People ask them to make the characters boobs bigger just to see if they do it, and how big they make them. It's more like they are challenging them to be obscene.

...Damnit, he's onto us. Time for plan B: spam their mailbox until they think all fans want bobbleheads!

Seriously though - I don't mind people enjoying these shenanigans, but me knowing that I'd want to alt-tab out of sheer vicarious shame whenever somebody looks over my shoulder somewhat ruins the potential fun I might have playing.

I still want this game, and badly. Waiting for GS to deliver is painful (and another reason not to do business with them anymore).

That being said....the reason people said they wanted the breasts BIGGER is because you gave every woman in the game a reduction in the early stages of the game's previews - we didn't want them "bigger" so much as "restored to the size they were in previous games".

Nalgas D. Lemur:

Dexter111:
They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I... Just.... WTF Japan.

And there it is. Absolute, irrefutable proof that people are idiots.

Oh God...I'm a people! That makes me an idiot too!

ARGH!

Nalgas D. Lemur:

Dexter111:
They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I knew a girl who jiggled like that in real life ;D

Dear Mr Developer.

I regret to inform you that what you have developed is a "Fetish Property." It is somewhat in the nature of the fetishist to want more and concentrated forms of their particular fetish.

If you want to cater to that market I won't be the one to tell you that you can't or shouldn't.

what I will say is that you may not want to listen to this particular feedback too much. Otherwise you will reach a point where you just have a game where 15 naked girls with KK sized breasts bounce around on screen beating one another with their breasts.

And you will still get that same feedback.

Nalgas D. Lemur:

Dexter111:
They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I lost it when the bullet passed between her free jiggling breasts.

Diddy_Mao:
Dear Mr Developer.

I regret to inform you that what you have developed is a "Fetish Property." It is somewhat in the nature of the fetishist to want more and concentrated forms of their particular fetish.

regardless of if it is or is not a fetish, the reason for this feedback wasn't because people wanted to see giant bouncy boobs (not solely at least). The feedback was a result of changes made earlier on to reduce the size of the chests of the female characters.

As to the complaint by others that this feedback should have been about making a better game rather then making giant giggling funbags, whose to say that wasn't the feedback they also got. But an article entitled "Dead or Alive 5 Director: A lot of fans have suggested ways to fix obvious problems with previous game mechanics" is not nearly as interesting a topic & isn't nearly as likely to generate the amount of attention & knee jerk hyper reactionism as an article about boobs.

I really feel like their should be a chest high walls joke in this somewhere, but I guess I am not dirty enough to put it together.

How about instead of making bigger breasts we just take more clothes off of Eliot?
I'm sure that wont spark as high of a media rage as this.

By the next game I'm honestly just expecting them to make the characters fighting breasts. They already are impractical, any larger and you might think that they'll fly away.

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