Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

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I think people keeping missing the actual point of what happened here, and as I and someone else pointed out; we didn't want the breasts even bigger, we just wanted them restored to the sizes they were before TN decided to try and appeal to people the DoA games aren't meant for in the first place.

Why do developers listen to these people? If they want boobs that much they just need to go to google. MILLIONS of hits right away.

I'm tired of game developers constantly trying to make females have gigantic boobs while doing the most outrageous thing. Not to mention wearing some very revealing outfits as well. Valve and DICE have so far made decent female characters what I've seen.

Had Left 4 dead been in the hands of other developers the breast would be massive for Zoey.

all this shit talking here but to be honest, the game aint that bad, and with customizable outfits you can just not see breast at all, hell besides one girl and 2 outfit changes most of the women are clothed in the story mode glad they actually tried good job team ninja

because you know what happened with ninja guiden 3
giant nakked ledeh

If you don't like it don't play it. That should be "problem solved" but a lot of Americans don't want other people to play it either just because they find it offensive. We have entire orginazations made up of these people, like the Parents Television Council and Million Moms.

Zefar:
Why do developers listen to these people? If they want boobs that much they just need to go to google. MILLIONS of hits right away.

I'm tired of game developers constantly trying to make females have gigantic boobs while doing the most outrageous thing. Not to mention wearing some very revealing outfits as well. Valve and DICE have so far made decent female characters what I've seen.

Had Left 4 dead been in the hands of other developers the breast would be massive for Zoey.

See what I mean? Here we have someone literally questioning why a developer would listen to its fans. Yup. America.

excalipoor:

l3o2828:
How about instead of making bigger breasts we just take more clothes off of Eliot?
I'm sure that wont spark as high of a media rage as this.

Eliot needs bigger boobage the most. He's totally flat!

Har Har Har!
I love you, have some cookies.

Meh who cares they can make the characters look however they want it is there game to make as they please and if they find that is what fans want that is what they should give.

So he founde out a large portion of his atleast local fans are perverts. Surprise (but not really)

Riddle me this: would YOU buy the game if the characters were reasonably-proportioned and sensibly dressed? Not "you" as in the hardcore fans of the series, but you as someone who doesn't play the games but thinks that they are degrading and misogynist? If they did tone down the sexiness, would more people buy the game? And would that increase outweigh the loss of fans who think of boobs as watermelon-sized bags of fat tied to a stick figure lady?

i'm confused ....

since when is DoA anything other then soft core porn trying to pass as a fighter? whats this 'good game' bit about o.o?

Not that i agree with the need for bigger breasts in DOA or anything but..... you know, im not going to argue with it. If the real fans want bigger breasts, who am i to argue? We should just give them bigger breasts, or add more characters with bigger breasts, that way the fans can enjoy their game more!

Im not a fan of DOA or anything, but i say if the fans want larger tits, praise the lord and pass the silicone! Err..... in a tasteful fashion that is. Bikini made of top hats!

Grey Carter:
Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

If that's the case, they should be looking for some sort of surgery/operation, not playing videogames.

Oh, you mean, they want to look at bigger breasts?

If that's the case, get them a mirror, after they've had their surgery.

You know after watching the DOA review on Gametrailer I gotta be frank. Simply put the breast size of all the female characters are smaller and there certainly was little to no jiggle(although chances are they just turned off the feature). I think a lot of the criticisms really have shown that the people who rail against the DOA series aren't actually playing the game but honestly complaining for the sake of complaining trying to instill their moral authority upon others.

In the end the DOA series has always been a good fighting game(with the exception of being stuck using a shitty controller which killed playing DOA 3 and 4 for me) and it only draws this controversy because people want to equate it to porn when it has never been close to that. Nor does it actually make any actual statements that assert that women should look a particular shape. I get more "Winner's don't use drugs" crap thrown in my face and I'm tired of that shit and I've never even taken drugs.

Would I like the breast size to be bigger? Probably. But what I would like more is for the designers to actually design the game they want to create without any sort of pressure from all these people throwing stones from their ivory towers when the chances are they aren't even going to buy the game because they can't get over their own shallow perceptions of the game. Kinda reminds me of these two videos.

No love for those of us who actually like smaller chests. Is that so weird? Am I not a man?!

Wow...that actually is refreshing to hear. I wish more studios would take this guy's approach to games: Fans first, everyone else second. Good to see they learned from Ninja Gaiden III.

Who are these people who were telling them to tone down the sexuality of Dead or Alive? Whoever these people are, they clearly have no idea what Dead or Alive is. It's hyper-sexuality is what makes it stand out. It's a solid fighter, but the girls are what catch everyone's attention. I'll be honest. The girls are the main reason I keep buying the franchise. If only they'd make that Ayane/Kasumi game they were talking about a few years back.

I don't want them to go too overboard with the breast size. Eventually it will look stupid if they keep making them bigger. I mean, some of these characters are already pushing it for my tastes. Tina mainly.

Gotta love these guys. They just don't give a shit about this whole "sexism in video games" debate. And they're right. It's pointless and no one should give a shit.
Personally, I don't like huge breasts, but I agree with these guys on principle. This whole sexism issue is getting out of hand.

Is it only me or was their a time when Team Ninja weren't creepy and actually had a little class. They've always been all over overt eroticism, but the degree of finesse and subtlety they exhibited seems to have been chucked out the window.

Just look at these two intros.


See? Style. Pacing, clever composition, risqué shots, cute shots, a bit of characterization, elegance even. That actually got an emotional reaction at the time. It made me feel happy and it made me want to go to the beach and play volleyball.

Skip a to a few years later...


What the fuck Team Ninja!? What the fuck? I feel disgusting. I feel like a creepy old man with a smelly wet patch dribbling down his pants, hiding in a bush. This video makes me feel like a rapist. How can you get it so wrong? From what I saw in that video, I could be excused for thinking the girls were soulless fuck-dolls, as opposed to actual characters with personality traits.

Team Ninja is among the greatest disappointments in my life. I just hope they stop making games and stop making the world slightly worse. Fuck Team Ninja.

Here's what I'm reading.

"Our fans (13 year old teenage perverts) want BIGGER breasts (and also a nude code). We were (not) surprised."

Also I'm going to disagree with the article here: "[P]utting core fans above mainstream appeal is an admirable idea."

Except, um, isn't oversexualized, big-breasted fantasy girls ACTUALLY "mainstream appeal"? If anything, a modestly dressed, modestly proportioned, genuinely realistic and believable female character is the OPPOSITE of "mainstream" and they're more rare than a white buffalo. I can practically count them on one hand (and half my fingers go to Valve girls).

Here's the thing. He says "if there's a good fighting system there" (which is very debatable since the gameplay is only INCHING forward with each new release and infinite combos were discovered on DAY 1) "then it's okay to have a layer of beautiful girls on top."

So, here's the thing. As a girl, I'm a bit offended, because he equates "beauty" with "chest size". A character like Alyx Vance or Mirror's Edge Faith is "beautiful", but to him beauty is tittie jiggles and massive cup sizes. And, geez, I'm even okay with a girl having a large chest size (Chun-Li is a D-CUP for instance... overshadowed by her THIGHS), but almost the ENTIRE FEMALE ROSTER is big-boobed, identical women with the same build and face, just different hair and voices.

Yes, I think Soul Calibur IV's Ivy is one of the most ridiculous, moronic, oversexualized characters in gaming history, but at LEAST we had a Hilde there to balance it out. But for a group of guys that "pride" themselves on their "hands-on" study of breast physics, I genuinely think they've never even so much as SMELLED a woman to know what how they look, sound, act, or move. I'm a chesty girl myself, but I don't jiggle around like spazzing jell-o if the wind kicks up or I take a single step forward, especially not if I put a shirt or bra over them.

Though, I will fully, 100% embrace their world of boobs if they added in random boob knockouts. I will pay full price for the game if Kasumi or Christie rush forward, only for their own oversized udders to slap their skulls into an unconscious stupor. That would at least put a smile on my face (because the combat system certainly hasn't. Hi-yo!)

At least he's listening to his fans, even if they are morons. (To clarify, I love DOA, but not as a breast simulator...)

MasterOfHisOwnDomain:
At least he's listening to his fans, even if they are morons. (To clarify, I love DOA, but not as a breast simulator...)

I'm calling bullshit. They make their games easier (in the bad sense), dumber, blander, less complex, with less originality and more tits. They're just listening to the lowest common denominator, not fans (whatever the fuck that means).

I actually felt no shame in calling myself a Team Ninja fanboy once(, I actually love Xtreme Volleyball fucking God), but not now. I feel dirty having any relation to those money-grabbing creeps. So if nothing else, they aren't listening to me.

Well, I suppose it's kind of nice to know that we'll always have that particular dead horse to beat, at our leisure. And here I thought there was actual hope for them when they started doing character designs that actual humans might wear. Oh well.

Revolutionaryloser:
Is it only me or was their a time when Team Ninja weren't creepy and actually had a little class. They've always been all over overt eroticism, but the degree of finesse and subtlety they exhibited seems to have been chucked out the window.

Just look at these two intros.


See? Style. Pacing, clever composition, risqué shots, cute shots, a bit of characterization, elegance even. That actually got an emotional reaction at the time. It made me feel happy and it made me want to go to the beach and play volleyball.

Skip a to a few years later...


What the fuck Team Ninja!? What the fuck? I feel disgusting. I feel like a creepy old man with a smelly wet patch dribbling down his pants, hiding in a bush. This video makes me feel like a rapist. How can you get it so wrong? From what I saw in that video, I could be excused for thinking the girls were soulless fuck-dolls, as opposed to actual characters with personality traits.

Team Ninja is among the greatest disappointments in my life. I just hope they stop making games and stop making the world slightly worse. Fuck Team Ninja.

I didn't know Blunty was part of the DOA Volleyball series intro! My goodness I gotta ask him how working with Team ninja was.

Also your last statement is exactly one of the reasons developers can't actually develop what they want. They already go through enough bureaucracy to get the game funded and approved but instead you'd rather be in your ivory tower where you can feel superior than everyone else because you think you know better than everyone else.

Tenmar:
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Cool story. Nobody is stopping anybody from going to watch porn, if that's what they want. I have a right to criticize what I want as much as anybody else. If my opinion is now suddenly going to stop bad games from being released, then I'd rather horrible developers like these went out of business and developers who actually had some talent and taste got to make games.

Revolutionaryloser:

Tenmar:
-Snip-

Cool story. Nobody is stopping anybody from going to watch porn, if that's what they want. I have a right to criticize what I want as much as anybody else. If my opinion is now suddenly going to stop bad games from being released, then I'd rather horrible developers like these went out of business and developers who actually had some talent and taste got to make games.

Proof that puritanism is still a thing. Perspective check, not everyone thinks pictures of a naked (or scantily dressed) human body is porn. Because sometimes it's not.

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Team Ninja doesn't make their games for everyone, they make them for their fans. If a person has a problem with Team Ninja's aesthetic choice then they probably weren't going to buy their game anyway; so why should they bother listening to people who don't play their games?

Lex Darko:

Revolutionaryloser:

Tenmar:
-Snip-

Cool story. Nobody is stopping anybody from going to watch porn, if that's what they want. I have a right to criticize what I want as much as anybody else. If my opinion is now suddenly going to stop bad games from being released, then I'd rather horrible developers like these went out of business and developers who actually had some talent and taste got to make games.

Proof that puritanism is still thing. Perspective check, not everyone thinks pictures of a naked (or scantily dressed) human body is porn. Because sometimes it's not.

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Team Ninja doesn't make their games for everyone they make them for their fans. If a person has a problem with Team Ninja's aesthetic choice then they probably weren't going to buy their game anyway; so why should they bother listening to people who don't play their games?

Thanks for validating my point! It's perfectly OK to display nudity, eroticism, titillation, whatever the fuck you want; but do it well. There's no excuse for being a talentless hack. If you want to make a piece of entertainment people can treasure and appreciate and comment on, good for you; I'll gladly buy your game. If you want to make poor quality, indulgent fast food for horny teenagers, make porn. Except not, because your porn would fucking suck anyway so just go scrawl boobies on a park bench with marker and try not to encumber other people with your existence, you oxygen thief. (Note: I'm talking to Team Ninja here.)

I know what Team Ninja can produce better games than the absolute vomit they've been spewing all over the floor, because Team fucking Ninja has already made amazing games that don't deserve to be associated with the embarrassment Team Ninja presently embodies. I'm hardly even criticizing Team Ninja for being creepy perverts, I'm criticizing them for being talentless creepy perverts who make sub-par garbage aimed at desperate people who wouldn't recognized artistic merit and aesthetic sensibility if one took them up the ass and the other skullfucked them unconscious.

After all, you don't see me talking shit about Lesbian Spider Queens of Mars.

Dexter111:

ScruffyMcBalls:
This dude deserves all the praise we can throw at him. You know how long I've been waiting for someone in the industry to finally recognise that the core fans come first long before anything else when creating a game? Because I've forgotten... But I do know it's been a while.

What almost everyone seems to regularly miss, and has done so again this time, is that you don't have to like the product in question. No seriously, hear me out. So you don't like DOA because it has tits. Big whoop. You know who cares about that? You. That's pretty much it. Do the developers care? No. Wanna know why? Because in this case they're paying attention to the most important party, the fanbase. You know, the people who give them the money to stay in business. So long as they make the product those fans want the opinions of people who don't buy the game and have no influence over the game are irrelevant.
So, you might counter this argument with "But it mires public opinion of gamers!" to which I will answer, so does the entire fighting genre. So does the entire RPG genre, so does the entire shooting genre for that matter. In fact, gaming mires the public perception of gamers. Being a gamer will continue to be considered fringe, probably for the rest of time, so just get used to it.
Is it sexist? Possibly, depends on your stance. Personally I find the in-game characters slightly unrealistic, but asides that it's just kinda there, I play the games for the fighting. There will come a point at which boobs are made so large they might actually impact on gameplay and we may be at that point, I don't think we have, but who knows? Regardless it is what the fanbase wants apparently. Now, what does my argument boil down to? Get the fuck over it. There's more important shit to be worrying about and there's more offensive shit to be offended by, just be happy there are people out there willing to listen to their fans before they listen to executives and people complaining at the front gate who had no intention of buying or playing the product in the first place. And as a side note, try not to make blanket assumptions about a fanbase. The game has several attractions, much like most games. In this case breasts are just one of them, strive to bare that in mind.
(Yes I do consider myself a bit of a fan of the franchise, yes I am bitter at being lumped in with assumed the "Dem sexist man-children who like big boobies cause they don't have a girlfriend" demographic)

Rant has now concluded.

But dude, everyone knows that the main demographic of games nowadays are enraged feminists and predominantly failed journalists or developers instead writing about games with feminist tendencies.

If they show less skin and decrease the size of the breasts every feminist on earth will buy this game instead! Think of all the profit!

My Gawd... The possibilities...

Krantos:

ScruffyMcBalls:
Being a gamer will continue to be considered fringe, probably for the rest of time

This is the only part of your rant I have a problem with. Well, problem is probably too strong a word. I just don't think that prediction can be justified.

Gaming has become too widespread. It's almost as ubiquitous as watching television anymore. The time will come, probably pretty soon, where it's just accepted. Fox News will probably continue to bang on about it for a few years afterwards, but that'll likely be it.

As gaming becomes more and more commonplace, people will just accept it. It won't be a conscious thing, but it will happen. After all, how can you continue to marginalize a group that is actually a majority.

A common counter-example people often bring up is comics. Comics (in their current form) have been around since the early 20th century, but have never seen widespread acceptance. Why do I think gaming will be different? Simply because comics were never as widely popular as gaming is now. I've seen a statistic that 90% of males age 15-25 (in America) play video games regularly. While I don't know if that particular statistic is true, I think it's pretty close to the mark.

With that many people playing games, gaming as a hobby will eventually just become normal, like watching TV. It won't be a conscious thing, it will just happen. It will be absorbed into normative society.

I know some gamers like to think of themselves as outsiders, but that's increasingly becoming less and less true. They may still be outsiders, but it's no longer because of gaming.

I almost completely agree with you, to a point. But I do want to add one thing to the debate. While yes, a vast number of people play video games, that doesn't actually qualify them as "gamers". At the risk of coming across as elitest (and trust me, that's the last thing I want to be) it's only a minority of people who play games who are actually gamers. Any asshole can pick up a controller and play a game, but that doesn't mean they're involved in the gaming community, that doesn't mean they have a vested interest in the industry and it doesn't mean they are a gamer. You put it best when you called gaming a "hobby", and while gaming is a hobby for me, my uncle who plays a couple rounds of deathmatch of an evening would call gaming a "pass-time" something he picks up once in a while. I'd be tempted to believe the majority of new "gamers" are the same. Now at this point it's all semantics, and either one of us could be wrong. I hope you're right in the long run, but who knows?

Dexter111:

But dude, everyone knows that the main demographic of games nowadays are enraged feminists and predominantly failed journalists or developers instead writing about games with feminist tendencies.

If they show less skin and decrease the size of the breasts every feminist on earth will buy this game instead! Think of all the profit!

I wish it were.

ScruffyMcBalls:

I almost completely agree with you, to a point. But I do want to add one thing to the debate. While yes, a vast number of people play video games, that doesn't actually qualify them as "gamers". At the risk of coming across as elitest (and trust me, that's the last thing I want to be) it's only a minority of people who play games who are actually gamers. Any asshole can pick up a controller and play a game, but that doesn't mean they're involved in the gaming community, that doesn't mean they have a vested interest in the industry and it doesn't mean they are a gamer. You put it best when you called gaming a "hobby", and while gaming is a hobby for me, my uncle who plays a couple rounds of deathmatch of an evening would call gaming a "pass-time" something he picks up once in a while. I'd be tempted to believe the majority of new "gamers" are the same. Now at this point it's all semantics, and either one of us could be wrong. I hope you're right in the long run, but who knows?

I know you said you don't want to be called an elitist, but there isn't another word for it. You can't create an adequate definition for gamer other than "somebody who plays videogames". People who want to reduce the scope of that term only want to disassociate themselves from other people. Nobody has authority to tell somebody else whether they are are gamer or not. Trying to find differences between yourself and other people is a negative practice and it achieves nothing other than insulating yourself from other people. Likewise, trying to find similarities between yourself and others can be just as harmful.

Boob job DLC
I'm calling that one.

Oh, great. Here we are trying to present gaming as a mature pastime that's worthy of some consideration and that can actually bring something to the cultural and narrative tables, and what do we get?

BEWBS.

I mean, there's a season for everything, sure, but it's just disappointing to see that in an age where we're pushing towards more involved storylines and more engaging gameplay (except for the Modern Military Shooter genre), there's folks in Japan who make a decent living making sure that jiggle physics are properly coded so some waifu's badonkadonks have just enough extraneous bounce to 'em.

Also, yes. I'm well aware that if I don't like it, I don't have to play it. The problem is any guy who seriously thinks of breast size as a plus in a fighting game and who actually looks forward to more simulated boobage brings the gaming scene's collective maturity down a few pegs.

Most of us have been gaming for upwards of twenty years. You'd think we'd be past the whole "Oh wow, check out her gazongas, dude!" phase.

Also...

Revolutionaryloser:
Just look at these two intros.


See? Style. Pacing, clever composition, risqué shots, cute shots, a bit of characterization, elegance even. That actually got an emotional reaction at the time. It made me feel happy and it made me want to go to the beach and play volleyball.

Skip a to a few years later...


What the fuck Team Ninja!? What the fuck? I feel disgusting.

You might want to edit your links, dude. You're linking to an entire playlist, not the one videos you're referring to.

Devoneaux:

Nalgas D. Lemur:

Dexter111:
They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I lost it when the bullet passed between her free jiggling breasts.

Ah, the infamous "Matrix Boobs" scene >_>

As someone said before, I'm kind of happy that TN is telling the whole feminism debate in gaming to sod off.

As a matter of fact, harsh as this is going to sound, I really think the whole entertainment industry should tell the whole movement to sod off until they come up with a clear, concise, implementable, understandable and uniform goal, statement and plans and then act and behave in such a way that supports and encourages said mission.

EX:

"Equal voting rights for women!" - Clear, concise, shows the path to what can be done to resolve the issue, arguable with logic and facts.

"Equal pay for equal work!" - Same as above.

"Women in games should treated equal to men!" (The primary call of what gaming and other industries have been facing) - This is ambiguous, interpret-able and subjective, provides no road map or goal to work towards or hints as to how to it, and cannot be argued with logic or facts because there is nothing to argue.

What, EXACTLY, do you want? Different kinds of games? Different attire? Games with just no men? When telling someone else what to do, you have to be clear, or you won't get what you want.

Or, if you really want results, women need to get down into the nitty gritty, and be the ones advising and making the games. If you want games to change, you're going to have to go get the art, programming, marketing, PR, computer design etc. degrees and work hard and fill the industry so that you can actually be there to shape and influence it. Because right now you're basically yelling in through the window, and hoping that the men inside can divine exactly what you want and implement it.

This news is awful. People were actually unhappy about already large breasts rather than commenting on the fighting aspects of, you know, a fighting game?

CardinalPiggles:
People ask them to make the characters boobs bigger just to see if they do it, and how big they make them. It's more like they are challenging them to be obscene.

Also this made me laugh.

Why not just go to a titty bar if you want to see large breasts? It would probably be less humiliating than owning one of those games.

I consider this sort of thing to be more of a fetish than anything, but if there's a market for that then there's nothing wrong with filling it. It's only a problem when/if every fighting game starts doing it.

One thing I do feel strongly about however is the feminist angle on it. I do not believe these games are degrading to women, rather I believe they are degrading to men. Everyone has the freedom to indulge in it if they want, though I don't know to what extent but it can't possibly be good for your sex life if you develop a fetish for females that can only exist through virtual graphics. Similar to what too much porn can do to a person, but these VR girls have a level of perfection that not even porn can hope to achieve.

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