Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

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Creepy pervs who play creepy perv games want more creepy perv content? Shocking.

At this rate I'm surprised Dead or Alive isn't just outright porn. It's more offensive than most of it out there already, that's for sure, and is insulting to the intelligence of fans and gamers by pandering in such a gross and stereotypical fashion. Might as well just cut out the whole "game" thing.

I, for one, want smaller breasts.

But then, I'm also not a fan of DOA. Or fighting games in general. Or volleyball games.

>.>

Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

They can change the series removing what made it (in)famous to try to reach a broader audience (and appease the whiny people who got "offend") but they risk alienating their current fan base - and if they fail to reach the "broader audience" in the process, it's more or less game over for the series. It's really up to the developers who they want to target and appeal to.

deadish:
Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

They can change the series removing what made it (in)famous to try to reach a broader audience (and appease the whiny people who got "offend") but they risk alienating their current fan base - and if they fail to reach the "broader audience" in the process, it's more or less game over for the series. It's really up to the developers who they want to target and appeal to.

You obviously don't follow film press very much.

My favorite fanservice of the DoA games are the panty shots. I don't mind the breast fanservice but I would have liked that the physics were more natural. Also why not big, medium and small breasts?

Well, I had wished that both fans and the executives would butt out just to see what is the vision of Team Ninja. Shame.

All that aside, the DoA series are very good fighters.

This news story and the accompanying comments are a fine example of the result of the changes to both the Escapist as a site and its community.

Gamasutra's title for this article was Team Ninja Learns to Fear its Fans. The Escapist summary of the Gamasutra article titled Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts.

It's like the summary of a news paper article being written for a tabloid for the purpose of causing an inflamed response. On the internet we call that behavior trolling.

And to the comment writers a little reading comprehension would tell you the feedback they were getting was about the alpha demo that was played by a few invited fans of DoA mainly pro gamers who played DoA competitively. If you were to really look into all the feed back those fans gave they also told Team Ninja to keep the 4-way counter system instead of going to a 3-way counter system.

Their fans only told them their game filled a niche in the market and that there was no reason for them to walk away from that because of people who don't play their game won't like it.

"If there wasn't a need for it, people wouldn't have responded to the alpha demo like they did, and send us feedback."

And by the way the Alpha Demo was toned down from usual aesthetic so no fans didn't want bigger breast they just didn't like the smaller ones of the Alpha demo. In other words fans didn't want Team Ninja to change the game because of feedback from non-DoA players.

I'm honestly a little staggered both by the lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread, and this idea that Dead Or Alive is nothing more than a jiggle simulator.

On the first point: This article is not about how the developers wanted to put even bigger breasts into the game. It's a quote from the director about the differences between listening to what your fanbase tells you, and listening to what your corporate executives tell you. You know how much we bitch about how developers listen to marketing guys too much? That's exactly the topic he addresses here. It's not an interview about how he loves boobs in all their shapes and sizes, and wants to make a game with nothing but boobs.

On the second point: Yes, the Dead Or Alive series has jiggle physics. You know what? So does practically every other fighting game. I remember playing Soul Calibur II on the Xbox, and the way that Taki's chest used to wobble absolutely puts to shame anything from DOA 3 onwards.

You know the funny thing about breasts? They're not made of grit, or granite, or concrete. They're actually quite soft things, and it doesn't take a lot to get them jiggling around. If a character is leaping around in the same manner as the characters in DOA, then her chest is not going to sit statically and immovably. Not unless she's got a bra made out of Kevlar.

Lastly, is anyone even aware that reviewers have been praising DOA5 for toning down the sexualisation? That Team Ninja have actually tried to focus the marketing and hype on the new gameplay mechanics and tweaks, rather than the mammaries?

It really is hilarious. Gamers cry out about how terrible it is that a renowned fighting game gets famous for boob physics (despite the fact that DOA actually got famous for its grapple-based fighting), and when developers then try and tone down the boob physics, we act as if they're turning them up to eleven. There really is more to DOA than boobs, and this reputation it's gotten is becoming increasingly divorced from the reality of the games themselves.

Now, I haven't played DOA so I'm wondering, is the image in this article presenting one of the more reasonably endowed characters? because they don't seem that unusual.

Revolutionaryloser:

ScruffyMcBalls:

I almost completely agree with you, to a point. But I do want to add one thing to the debate. While yes, a vast number of people play video games, that doesn't actually qualify them as "gamers". At the risk of coming across as elitest (and trust me, that's the last thing I want to be) it's only a minority of people who play games who are actually gamers. Any asshole can pick up a controller and play a game, but that doesn't mean they're involved in the gaming community, that doesn't mean they have a vested interest in the industry and it doesn't mean they are a gamer. You put it best when you called gaming a "hobby", and while gaming is a hobby for me, my uncle who plays a couple rounds of deathmatch of an evening would call gaming a "pass-time" something he picks up once in a while. I'd be tempted to believe the majority of new "gamers" are the same. Now at this point it's all semantics, and either one of us could be wrong. I hope you're right in the long run, but who knows?

I know you said you don't want to be called an elitist, but there isn't another word for it. You can't create an adequate definition for gamer other than "somebody who plays videogames". People who want to reduce the scope of that term only want to disassociate themselves from other people. Nobody has authority to tell somebody else whether they are are gamer or not. Trying to find differences between yourself and other people is a negative practice and it achieves nothing other than insulating yourself from other people. Likewise, trying to find similarities between yourself and others can be just as harmful.

Your argument is wrong on that many levels I don't really feel like responding to it, but I'll give it a shot anyway, for shits and giggles.
The title "Gamer" is just a name here, a name which I'm applying to a group of people who actually care about the industry, and more importantly about the games (oh, and most importantly also play those games of course). Anyone outside that group is not a gamer, but can in fact still just play video games. You can give the group any name you want, but considering it's characteristics, gamer seems apt. Based on said characteristics, I do, as it happens, have the authority to proclaim any other person as not being a gamer, so does anyone else it's basic logic. And no, I don't actively want to disassociate myself from others, I just want to have it made clear where the boundaries lie between those who actually have a stake and a say in a matter and those who don't. That way shit gets done, and it gets done quicker since we don't *have* to take into account what people who aren't -and shouldn't be- involved have to say.
And finding differences between myself and others isn't a negative practice in of itself. However if I then use those differences (which, sorry to break it to you; they fucking exist) for a negative cause, which I'm not, then it can be part of a negative act. But that isn't what I'm doing here. And it does achieve more than isolate me from others -by the by, differences do not instantly equal isolation, unless you're part of a hive society- it can also allow third parties to more accurately and correctly make decisions based upon those groups and those group's characteristics (which is the whole point in this case, thought I'd tell you that since it sailed completely over your head apparently).
Oh, and that last line "Likewise, trying to find similarities between yourself and others can be just as harmful." I'm no fucking clansman, I doubt me finding something in common with someone else is gonna cause harm, the statement lacks validity in this context. And ultimately that's what your argument lacks as a whole, the context to float above the river of shit that you expected to sustain it. Good day sir.

(I feel sorry for anyone who has to read through all this, I mean damn...)

So I get an infraction for referring to the people bitching about the game, who also don't play the game, as "pieces of shit."

searanox:
Creepy pervs who play creepy perv games want more creepy perv content? Shocking.

At this rate I'm surprised Dead or Alive isn't just outright porn. It's more offensive than most of it out there already, that's for sure, and is insulting to the intelligence of fans and gamers by pandering in such a gross and stereotypical fashion. Might as well just cut out the whole "game" thing.

But it's okay to refer to the people who actually play and enjoy this game as "creepy pervs."

What's up with the selective reasoning mods? I've seen this hypocrisy occur in several topics now.

Are there actual guidelines to moderation on this forum? Or is it just based on political correctness?

Lex Darko:
This news story and the accompanying comments are a fine example of the result of the changes to both the Escapist as a site and its community.

Gamasutra's title for this article was Team Ninja Learns to Fear its Fans. The Escapist summary of the Gamasutra article titled Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts.

It's like the summary of a news paper article being written for a tabloid for the purpose of causing an inflamed response. On the internet we call that behavior trolling.

And to the comment writers a little reading comprehension would tell you the feedback they were getting was about the alpha demo that was played by a few invited fans of DoA mainly pro gamers who played DoA competitively. If you were to really look into all the feed back those fans gave they also told Team Ninja to keep the 4-way counter system instead of going to a 3-way counter system.

Their fans only told them their game filled a niche in the market and that there was no reason for them to walk away from that because of people who don't play their game won't like it.

"If there wasn't a need for it, people wouldn't have responded to the alpha demo like they did, and send us feedback."

And by the way the Alpha Demo was toned down from usual aesthetic so no fans didn't want bigger breast they just didn't like the smaller ones of the Alpha demo. In other words fans didn't want Team Ninja to change the game because of feedback from non-DoA players.

The Escapist does that against any game that contains fanservice. They never addressed the launching of Skullgirls.

I like it here, but that particular characteristic is very irritating.

There are gamers like me and this guy here. We like fanservice and we don't hate women.

Chiave:
So I get an infraction for referring to the people bitching about the game, who also don't play the game, as "pieces of shit."

searanox:
Creepy pervs who play creepy perv games want more creepy perv content? Shocking.

At this rate I'm surprised Dead or Alive isn't just outright porn. It's more offensive than most of it out there already, that's for sure, and is insulting to the intelligence of fans and gamers by pandering in such a gross and stereotypical fashion. Might as well just cut out the whole "game" thing.

But it's okay to refer to the people who actually play and enjoy this game as "creepy pervs."

What's up with the selective reasoning mods? I've seen this hypocrisy occur in several topics now.

Are there actual guidelines to moderation on this forum? Or is it just based on political correctness?

There is A LOT of political correctness now on these forums and it basically boils down to the escapist being successful as a site. The more people come to it the more forum mods they need as volunteers and the more restrictions required to protect the more sensitive people who visit this site to prevent the site from getting a bad reputation.

I remember right as the Zero punctuation wave that I was part of you could have a very heated debate with swear words and all and not get in any trouble. Today? Good luck cause now moderators are basically given the broadest of powers to punish and the guidelines are so broad that they can basically enforce their moral standards upon others. So if you make an insult at someone and call them a bitch you can get reported.

Not to mention how many people actually abuse the report function by being so passive aggressive that they bait a person into breaking those nebulous guidelines and not actually get reported. Remember that moderators aren't supposed to care why and how the events lead up to your reported post, their job is to only judge if your post is against the rules. It's basically that shit zero tolerance policy where doesn't matter who started the fight, everyone just gets punished.

Tenmar:

Chiave:
So I get an infraction for referring to the people bitching about the game, who also don't play the game, as "pieces of shit."

searanox:
Creepy pervs who play creepy perv games want more creepy perv content? Shocking.

At this rate I'm surprised Dead or Alive isn't just outright porn. It's more offensive than most of it out there already, that's for sure, and is insulting to the intelligence of fans and gamers by pandering in such a gross and stereotypical fashion. Might as well just cut out the whole "game" thing.

But it's okay to refer to the people who actually play and enjoy this game as "creepy pervs."

What's up with the selective reasoning mods? I've seen this hypocrisy occur in several topics now.

Are there actual guidelines to moderation on this forum? Or is it just based on political correctness?

There is A LOT of political correctness now on these forums and it basically boils down to the escapist being successful as a site. The more people come to it the more forum mods they need as volunteers and the more restrictions required to protect the more sensitive people who visit this site to prevent the site from getting a bad reputation.

I remember right as the Zero punctuation wave that I was part of you could have a very heated debate with swear words and all and not get in any trouble. Today? Good luck cause now moderators are basically given the broadest of powers to punish and the guidelines are so broad that they can basically enforce their moral standards upon others. So if you make an insult at someone and call them a bitch you can get reported.

Not to mention how many people actually abuse the report function by being so passive aggressive that they bait a person into breaking those nebulous guidelines and not actually get reported. Remember that moderators aren't supposed to care why and how the events lead up to your reported post, their job is to only judge if your post is against the rules. It's basically that shit zero tolerance policy where doesn't matter who started the fight, everyone just gets punished.

And that is why 4chan and youtube comments are necessary nowadays.

Kind of sad that the balance is obtained by having two extremes slaughtering each other instead of actual harmony.

But, to be fair, once I had a very enlightining dialogue in youtube about transgenders in that Poison documentary video.

If you ask a bunch of boys and young men if they want larger breasts, they are going to say yes because they don't want to sound gay. They will continue to say yes long past the point of absurdity, and well into the realm where the breasts are grotesque and unappealing. Team Ninja is already a little bit over that cusp, trending away from a normal desire for large breasts and into the realm of creepy fetish. It is time to excersize a little artist control. Yes, listening to fans is great, but if they knew as much as you do about making games, they would be making the games that you are competing with. DOA will always be psuedo-porn, sure. But make the breasts a little smaller, and your characters will look better. Focus groups do not get what the group wants, they get a lowest common denominator. And honestly, I want my psuedo-porn to be better then that. Hot chicks? GREAT! But self-parody is not great.

Sex sells, news at six.

"What it means to be part of the series?"

But it sounds like he's talking about Ninja Gaiden's failure, not Dead or Alive.

And last I checked, IRENE DIDN'T HAVE MASSIVE TITS.

I'm not gonna be interested in this series until they add a mechanic where said large breasts fly up and smack the fighters in the face cause Self damage making it possible to do self K.O.s.

axlryder:

Riobux:

Grey Carter:

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing it, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

And this is why we can't have nice things.

large breasts are nice things.

You know what works too? Porn.

Tenmar:

Xanadu84:
If you ask a bunch of boys and young men if they want larger breasts, they are going to say yes because they don't want to sound gay. They will continue to say yes long past the point of absurdity, and well into the realm where the breasts are grotesque and unappealing. Team Ninja is already a little bit over that cusp, trending away from a normal desire for large breasts and into the realm of creepy fetish. It is time to excersize a little artist control. Yes, listening to fans is great, but if they knew as much as you do about making games, they would be making the games that you are competing with. DOA will always be psuedo-porn, sure. But make the breasts a little smaller, and your characters will look better. Focus groups do not get what the group wants, they get a lowest common denominator. And honestly, I want my psuedo-porn to be better then that. Hot chicks? GREAT! But self-parody is not great.

Okay I apparently have to type this over and over again but...

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE ESCAPIST! IF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THE DOA SERIES THE BREAST SIZE OF ALL THE FEMALE CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY REDUCED FROM GAME TO GAME! THE FRANCHISE HAS ALSO BEEN SUCCESSFUL NOT BECAUSE OF THE BREASTS BUT BECAUSE THE FIGHTING MECHANICS ARE ACTUALLY FUN TO PLAY AND UNIQUE! ALSO CONSIDER THAT THE FIRST DOA GAME AND ALL THEIR SEQUELS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DOA VOLLEYBALL STATESIDE HAS HAD LITTLE TO NO MARKETING! THIS MEANS THAT THE FRANCHISE WAS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAW, PLAYED AND LIKED THE FRANCHISE! THROWING STONES FROM AN IVORY TOWER TO FEEL MORALLY SUPERIOR JUST DEMONSTRATES YOUR IGNORANCE AND SHALLOWNESS AS A HOBBYIST OF VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE YOU FEEL DEVELOPERS SHOULD DESIGN THE GAME TO YOUR MORAL AUTHORITY INSTEAD OF THEIR OWN IMAGINATION AND CREATIVE RIGHTS AS AN ARTIST!

...What are you talking about? DOA games are awesome. Ive played them all since 2, and it is easily my favorite fighting game of all time. You CAN actually criticize good games and not be some ignorant asshole just because one has a different opinion from you.

The breast obsession in DOA IS creepy. It's excessive, unhealthy, and if the girls of DOA were portrayed a little more reasonably to begin with, they would be seen as exactly as hot because the expectation would not be as insane. They would look more like women, and less like bulbous sacks of gelatinous flesh with a person growing out of them. I'm not saying to make the character stop being pornography. But its definitely good if they move towards shallow perfection, and away from bizarre freak-show.

Yelling your point does not mean that people arn't listening to you. People don't agree with you. There's a difference.

lacktheknack:

axlryder:
[quote="lacktheknack" post="7.389418.15622932"][quote="CardinalPiggles" post="7.389418.15614569"]People ask them to make the characters boobs bigger just to see if they do it, and how big they make them. It's more like they are challenging them to be obscene.

Notice that I got that from "fugly.com". No way in hell would I go out with a girl with those proportions, and they're the direction that Dead or Alive seems to be going.

Not gonna lie....she probably got it more for her face than anything else.

Riobux:

axlryder:

Riobux:

And this is why we can't have nice things.

large breasts are nice things.

You know what works too? Porn.

Works? No one said anything about getting off. Large breasts just happen to be aesthetically appealing to some. Some people also happen to like solid fighting games. Put those things together and it's like peanut butter and bananas. Personally, I'm not a fan of the "in your face" variety of porn anyway. I like some things to be left to the imagination. That said, I don't even play the series myself.

Darks63:
I'm not gonna be interested in this series until they add a mechanic where said large breasts fly up and smack the fighters in the face cause Self damage making it possible to do self K.O.s.

Great news, that feature has already been added to the alpha for DOA6.

I agree. I am a fan of breasts and the more the merrier... to a degree.

It's not JUST the breasts, it's the woman behind them that count.

Nothing is more a turn on than a beautiful mind and soul. But that's down to creative writing and coders, not jiggle physics.

Look at how Team Fortress 2 without any coherent plot can have characters that pass the red-letter-media test, you can describe them (in distinct ways) other than what they do or what they look like. They need to be able to do this with your female fighting roster as well.

deadish:
Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

I remember people complaining quite a bit and Megan Fox has a rather tarnished reputation for taking such roles to the point where she turned down the money she would have gotten in the third film.

Revolutionaryloser:

deadish:
Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

They can change the series removing what made it (in)famous to try to reach a broader audience (and appease the whiny people who got "offend") but they risk alienating their current fan base - and if they fail to reach the "broader audience" in the process, it's more or less game over for the series. It's really up to the developers who they want to target and appeal to.

You obviously don't follow film press very much.

Ya, I don't. So maybe I'm off.

But I honestly don't see the difference between Megan Fox doing a few "close up" shots in Transformers and "actors" like Matthew Mcconaughey taking his shirt off nearly every damn movie.

Treblaine:

deadish:
Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

I remember people complaining quite a bit and Megan Fox has a rather tarnished reputation for taking such roles to the point where she turned down the money she would have gotten in the third film.

I think she turned it down because she was afraid of getting typecasted as a sex symbol. I think all actors are to some extend are afraid of pulling a Mark Hamill - 3 blockbuster movies later you are forever known as your character; this is especially true for new actors who debuted and made it big with those blockbusters and audiences haven't seen them in anything else.

deadish:

Treblaine:

deadish:
Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

I remember people complaining quite a bit and Megan Fox has a rather tarnished reputation for taking such roles to the point where she turned down the money she would have gotten in the third film.

I think she turned it down because she was afraid of getting typecasted as a sex symbol. I think all actors are to some extend are afraid of pulling a Mark Hamill - 3 blockbuster movies later you are forever known as your character; this is especially true for new actors who debuted and made it big with those blockbusters and audiences haven't seen them in anything else.

I don't think it was a case of "being typecast as ANYTHING" but "being type cast as vapid fanservice".

Shia Le Beouf didn't jump ship.

And Star Wars didn't cost careers, Harrison Ford had a huge career to spite three appearances as Han Solo, also James Earl Jones to spite being the voice of Darth Vader.

First off, I never liked the whole "don't like it, don't play it" anecdote. That's a very poor way to argue. So what, we're not allowed to have an opinion on something? There must be a reason we don't like it, after all. Nobody is "forcing" their opinions down anyone's throats. Honestly, it sounds like you're just being a baby, and a hypocrite, too. "What, they have an opinion outside of my own! How dare they! They're trying to censor me! They should keep their views to themselves!".

Second, I in no way see how this qualifies as anything close to news. As I said in another thread, "Hentai game dev makes hentai game. Fans of hentai wants more hentai". I mean, duh. This "report" just seems like a really corny way of protecting himself from bad PR. "Well, we're not sexist, this is what our fans want!". This is almost as bad as the time he blamed it on a cultural thing.

And did someone on this thread actually compare this to fine art? It's just a softcore porn game, nothing more, made to titillate gamers.

Let's not kid ourselves. This isn't some revolutionary thing he's trying to start. This game is well known for it's jiggle physics. Someone here stated that this game is known for more. What was it, "grapple based combat"? No, it's known for big boobed asians. People that haven't even played it knows the game for that. I mean, that's it's reputation. It's a reputation that he damn well tries to embrace. It's just funny how quickly people here and other places are able to spin tales to make it sound innocent. "other games have jiggle physics", "there are real women with breasts like that, this game is sorta realistic", "these people that want bigger breast don't want them to be perverts", and my favorite, "you have a problem with the human body, it's natural, not sexual". If you enjoy the game for having huge tata'd women, then enjoy the game for having huge tata'd women, just stop trying to sell a story when people call ya creepy.

I just wish the dev would stop playing around, trying to make himself sound innocent himself. I mean, sure, if this is what fans want, then give it to them. Just please, stop telling us all of these stories to sound less like a womanizer. Just make the damn game for your fans and call it a day.

And yes, no matter how you spin it, the people that asks for this sound like creepy pervert. Hell, if you take this story and put it anywhere but a gaming website, you'll get a metric @#$%ton of people calling gamers basement dwelling nerds who needs virtual breast because they can't get a date.

Treblaine:

I don't think it was a case of "being typecast as ANYTHING" but "being type cast as vapid fanservice".

IMO as a performer, you are always "fan service" to some extend.

I assumed like most actors, she was warily of getting typecasted but after a bit of research, it turns out I was wrong. For most part she didn't care. XD

As for her departing the series, a factor that played a huge part in that was her public remarks about Bay. While Bay didn't give a shit, her "public naming-calling" probably didn't go down too well with the executives. So to some extend, she was kind of fired. :p

Shia Le Beouf didn't jump ship.

As THE lead of the show, jumping ship was probably a tad bit harder for him. In the end, it's his decision if he wanted to risk being typecasted vs being paid load of $$$.

And Star Wars didn't cost careers, Harrison Ford had a huge career to spite three appearances as Han Solo, also James Earl Jones to spite being the voice of Darth Vader.

Ford was the only one to escape the death trap and he worked his ass off to do so. Ford was fortunate he had another high profile role roughly the same time as Star Wars, Indiana Jones. But even with that he was a risk of being typecasted as an action hero and he started taking non-action roles to try to diversify.

As for James Earl Jones, please. He was a voice! A voice processed through a "voice changer". Voice actors in general rarely get typecasted IMO. Most people don't remember them nor their voice - and most can do a variety of voices. Mark Hamill became a voice actor after Star Wars destroyed his acting career. He has done pretty well I must say.

deadish:
Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

They can change the series removing what made it (in)famous to try to reach a broader audience (and appease the whiny people who got "offend") but they risk alienating their current fan base - and if they fail to reach the "broader audience" in the process, it's more or less game over for the series. It's really up to the developers who they want to target and appeal to.

The difference is in a game like Dead or Alive and others of it's kind (Tera) every woman is Megan Fox fixing a car. And Dead or Alive is at least a legitimate 'movie', but then Team Ninja goes and makes a game where it's nothing but Megan Fox's fixing cars. As much as I like women it gets to the point where have to ask why don't you just go all the way and start making full out porn.

...Which actually I think I know the answer to, it has to do with Japanese culture and media. On one hand they're more open with sexuality and sexual innuendo, but on the other in some ways they're still conservative about actual sex especially in regards to minors. So with the 'shounen' genre, material targeted at young males 12-16 or something like that, they have no problem providing the boys all the titillation they want, but actual sex is avoided. So what you're left with is these weird as manga series where you have a cast of porn stars engaging throwing around plenty of 'fanservice' but engaging in perfectly safe PG relationships.

I gotta say though, while I'm critical of them one on hand, on the other I gotta respect them for at least putting a good deal of variety/work into creating different character models. The females may all be sexy baby doll face types, but at least there's variety. I lean more towards RPG's myself, and WRPG's are pretty bad for using the 'one model fits all' type. I have finally gotten around to and am currently playing Dragon Age: Origins, just looking at the females in my part I currently have Morrigan, Leliana, and Wynne. Apart from different heads on top they all have the exact same 'sexy' build, even though Wynne is supposed to be an old lady. And from the guys direction Sten at least has a different build but I know Alistair is a clone of my male warrior. I know it would take a little more work but it would be really nice to see some more variety, as I tend to find the 'everyone's sexy in the exact same way!' approach a little immersion breaking.

The first few times I read this headline, I didn't give it much extra thought. Sure, if you like booby games, you will probably enjoy even MORE boobs in your game! Makes sense; whatever.

But then I read the headline again just now while browsing a different page, and my tired, addled brain understood it to mean that DoA fans were calling for bigger breasts-- not in the game but for themselves. Perhaps playing so much DoA had given them unrealistic expectations for reality, and why shouldn't the game devs be expected to fix that for them?

Thus, I move that the complainants be rewarded with bigger breasts on their own chests, for their own personal use. Perhaps this will satisfy their needs and allow the gaming industry to devote less energy to increasingly improbable breast physics.

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I actually find the responses in this thread much more amusing and interesting at the same time than the news itself. Why you may wonder? Well, because a quite large part of our own users and commenters in that sense lump together anyone who might like the idea of jiggle physics, or larger than average breasts with general perverts. Acting as if big Breasts are something to be ashamed of, doubly so for liking them, which makes me question as to how you can go to that length to essentially shun anything remotely sexual about it.

Lets face it, DoA is a beat 'em up, it might not be the best around, or the most popular, but it stayed relevant for quite a long time, in part due to being not bound by the recent "lets make everything realistic" crap, although not all fighting games follow that trend, some do, Mortal Kombat for example is rather graphic, on the gore at least if not bouncing balloons. While Tekken and Street Fighter follow a more realistic, although stylized style. Hence, the main attraction to DoA is still the fighting, the bouncing balls? Sexy Women? Thats icing on the cake as it were, yes they might be nice and be a staple of the series and draw essentially part of the core fanbase, but if its just women in skimpy outfits and giant hooters then you may as well not play it and just watch porn.

Now granted, the way the physics work now is..weird at best, as breasts dont move due to a damn gust of wind, unless they are in fact balloons full of air, or helium given how they defy gravity. And i would prefer they make the physics realistic and add some flavour to combat styles, if you got a large pair, you arent going to fight doing somersaults and such stuff, breasts weigh something, in fact they also hinder any serious combat, so if you wanna have a character with large boobies, said character should fight visibly in a manner to compensate for that, which might also again make them visually distinct aside from the size of their mammaries and color of clothing. Giving them personality beyond that also wouldnt hurt and i would rather Team Ninja focuses on those two aspects first, instead of compounding the problem with tits gainaxing (TvTropes for more reference) and the characters being little more than cutouts for said jiggling gazongas.

There's nothing wrong with sex-appeal in a game, hell DoA essentially lives from that by this point, but you can at least compensate for the whole sexyness stuff by adding small adjustments to have it make sense and not have characters fight each other when their bodies cant even support the damn weight, Proportion here is key, if a chick is tall, muscular and a bit thicker generally? They can have big breasts because while big, they dont look unnatural on them, tiny girls with giant melons dont really look nice. Oh and while we're at it, fix some of the imbalance in the fighting too.

In short, want a game with loads of fanservice in it? Sure go right ahead, but make a effort. Dont just half-ass it. And to all the "omg people like big boobs people", grow up. Everyone likes breasts, yes everyone, nobody is a exception here, not even the women. Just because it doesnt appeal to you, and im fair here that the whole gainaxing crap annoys me just as much, dont put people into categories for liking some game, else im going to start pointing out big gaping flaws in every damn genre that exists and make you feel bad for being a fan of said genre.

I swear the man is making this up himself to justify it. Who wants this? Beta testers? Has he received thousands of e-mails that we haven't seen? WHO is saying these things?

He's full of shit. On the other hand... I adore his philosophy of fulfilling long-time fans first (aren't they the guaranteed return you should be cultivating?) instead of trying to entice new fans by making everything more homogenous (potentially pleasing more people, but pleasing each one less? What sense does that make?!).

Thinking of a few of my favourite (currently stagnating) game series when I read him saying that.

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