Cliff Bleszinski Leaves Epic Games

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Jumplion:

No, I expect people to be able to last more than 20 years just like most other mediums (which was the 1990s, my god do I feel old), and 30 years is still right around what I said before. I do not expect people since the Pong era to be sticking around since, and this is key, many of them were already old during that time and can't reasonably stay.

Nowadays, young people are entering the industry and leaving it at a much higher turnover rate than other industries, this is fact. I wish I had the article, but I do recall reading that people who work in the games industry end up retiring at an earlier age than people who work in other industries (feel free to prove me wrong if you can find otherwise, I genuinely hope that this is not the case). Cliff Bleszinski entered the industry at a fairly young age, and yet at age 37, where actors and directors and some musicians would be at their prime, he is already leaving it (until he states otherwise, this is what I am assuming)? That is a ridiculous turnover rate no matter how you spin it.

This is something that isn't just going to fix itself in the next 40 years, especially with how rapidly the industry has already become a mainstay in entertainment. The argument of "the industry hasn't been around for as long! Let it mature!" doesn't really hold water, at least for me personally, as this industry evolves extremely rapidly, more so than any other medium. It has taken only 20ish years since the 70s for games to be a main part of people's daily lives, it took movies much, much longer.

At least as far as average creatives and workers are concerned, isn't the industry average for someone to be working like 5-10 years? I think it was James Portnow or the other guy who pegged it in a talk.

I spent more time of my life at University.

Looks like it's going to be a mighty fine day.

So is he going to stop blackballing any chance of PC-releases of Epic Games?

Yeah "Cliffy B" we haven't forgotten that shit.

The man who gave us a chainsaw attached to an assault rifle is backing out of game development. As a man of simple, violent tastes, this makes me sad.

Good night, sweet prince, and short-lived king raven flights sing thee to your sleep.

Lunar Templar:
i guess this is sad?

kind of an upside for me, now i don't have to hear about the dumbass things he says like they matter at all

Yeah pretty much this.
I mean I can only see this as a good thing.

NuclearShadow:
Forgive my ignorance but is this the same guy from Epic Games that made the claim that consoles are hardware and thus graphically superior to PCs?

That would be the guy.

Credit where it's due he did design great things like Jazz Jackrabbit and Unreal, but in 2006 he clearly suffered some sort of severe head trauma because after that Epic descended into the creative capabilities of a poo flinging baboon, not to mention their public outings...
Hopefully this means some sanity will return to Epic.

Syzygy23:

AzrealMaximillion:
I'm actually sad to see him go. He's one of the few game developers to leave the business in the last few years that actually understood what gamers wanted.

Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies?

Also, didn't Cliffy B. fire an employee for being gay or something a few years back?

I didn't hear of him firing anyone.

Also, yes he's behind Gears of War, a game that most developers that made shooters shamelessly copied. You're ignoring a lot of his other accomplishments just to focus on that though.

The Unreal Tournament series was a milestone for shooters, that cannot be denied.

Jazz Jackrabbit was tons of fun. The First Brothers in Arms game (Road to 30) was one of the better WWII FPS games before COD came and had everyone copy them.

And Shadow Complex was one of the better XBLA titles in a market flooded with platformers that were not unique at all.

Point is, saying that Cliffy B is mainly responsible for "Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies" is such a strawman. Most gamers that get tag a game with that 'generic brown' criticism have most likely never played that game in question and are just taking a glance at a game and hating on it without playing it past the first 30 minutes. Its a term coined by lazy reviewers that gamers started using to sound cool.

Man, I actually find this pretty sad. Way back in the days of Unreal Tournament, I remember basing the majority of my map DLs of Cliffy B's recommendations, based on that "Ownage" site he ran. DM-Pimpslap was a great map. :)

All the best for whatever it is he plans to do next...

Huh, and such a short time after his AMA...Certainly nothing there that would hint at this, that I noticed. Oh well, I'll miss him, at least.

Syzygy23:

Also, didn't Cliffy B. fire an employee for being gay or something a few years back?

.....really? couldn't atleast do a quick google before throwing that out there? Eh, if it gets the flames going all according to plan, I suppose.

I blame EA! Oh, wait...

Darth Sea Bass:
And not a single fuck was given that day!

He says In a thread full of people giving a fuck.

OT: Played all the gears games, though they are not favorites of mine, wish him well in his future endeavours and wish Epic well in his absence.

Sheo_Dagana:
On a scale of 1-10, I'd say I give zero fucks about this. I hate Cliffy B and find him to be one of the most immature and irritating personalities in the gaming industry.

Thanks for the Gears of War and all, Mr. Bleszinski, but please... stay away for a very long time.

I find myself agreeing with this comment. He may of started off decent, but as time went on, I think he got to thinking a little too highly of himself. I think he realized he can't top Gears of War creatively and decided to bail at the "pinnacle" of his career. I mean, how many things can you reasonably put a chainsaw on? No chainsaw? Not badass. He said it himself.

He'll probably take some time off and in a number of years return to the industry doing some kinda indie/mobile development thinking it is the next big thing. Won't care then either.

On the bright side, maybe we will see less annoying opinions/statements from him.

Am I supposed to be sad that the Michael Bay of video game developers left??

I don't think so....
Good riddance.

Compatriot Block:

Scrythe:
So... does this mean Unreal Tournament is coming back?

Please?

Except, you know, this guy made games that some people actually like. I don't think Cliffy ever had a Daikatana incident.

We'll miss you bro. Good luck in all you do.

Apparently John Romero was the level designer on some indie game called Doom.
I hear that a few people like that game.

AzrealMaximillion:

Syzygy23:

AzrealMaximillion:
I'm actually sad to see him go. He's one of the few game developers to leave the business in the last few years that actually understood what gamers wanted.

Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies?

Also, didn't Cliffy B. fire an employee for being gay or something a few years back?

I didn't hear of him firing anyone.

Also, yes he's behind Gears of War, a game that most developers that made shooters shamelessly copied. You're ignoring a lot of his other accomplishments just to focus on that though.

The Unreal Tournament series was a milestone for shooters, that cannot be denied.

Jazz Jackrabbit was tons of fun. The First Brothers in Arms game (Road to 30) was one of the better WWII FPS games before COD came and had everyone copy them.

And Shadow Complex was one of the better XBLA titles in a market flooded with platformers that were not unique at all.

Point is, saying that Cliffy B is mainly responsible for "Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies" is such a strawman. Most gamers that get tag a game with that 'generic brown' criticism have most likely never played that game in question and are just taking a glance at a game and hating on it without playing it past the first 30 minutes. Its a term coined by lazy reviewers that gamers started using to sound cool.

So it's HIS fault for starting the GBCBSMPF trend in gaming?

He shoulda left those conveniently indestructible chest high walls alone!

And I dunno what you're talking about "lazy reviewers" and all that. Too many shooters just imitate the Gears/Call of Duty formula because those games sold well. You must have played or bought several, so you know what I'm talking about. Our cups overfloweth with GBCBSMPF's. Gears was fun, everything else was more of the same except worse and with lazier design.

A true man to the gaming industry. Good luck Cliffy and thanks for Unreal and GoW

Oh, yeah, what a funny joke. Cliffy can't leave Epic... Hahahahahahahahahaha! Yeah, no way, no way at all... Right? Right!? Of course not...

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mirage202:

Signa:
At least we can't blame EA for this one.

Give it time, maybe EA poached him, then the blame can commence!

But in that case surely he can just go an make EA epic

...

Sorry...

I want to die...

OT: Good luck to him, hope he has a good break and eventually comes back to make awesome stuff. Not a huge Gears fan though, lacking an Xbox as I do and Gears not being enough on it's own to make me want one.

Syzygy23:

AzrealMaximillion:
I'm actually sad to see him go. He's one of the few game developers to leave the business in the last few years that actually understood what gamers wanted.

Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies?

Also, didn't Cliffy B. fire an employee for being gay or something a few years back?

Really? Link if you have it?

My opinion of the man will go from "hey he's alright though I haven't experienced his work much" to "burn the witch!" in minutes > >

Syzygy23:

AzrealMaximillion:

Syzygy23:

Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies?

Also, didn't Cliffy B. fire an employee for being gay or something a few years back?

I didn't hear of him firing anyone.

Also, yes he's behind Gears of War, a game that most developers that made shooters shamelessly copied. You're ignoring a lot of his other accomplishments just to focus on that though.

The Unreal Tournament series was a milestone for shooters, that cannot be denied.

Jazz Jackrabbit was tons of fun. The First Brothers in Arms game (Road to 30) was one of the better WWII FPS games before COD came and had everyone copy them.

And Shadow Complex was one of the better XBLA titles in a market flooded with platformers that were not unique at all.

Point is, saying that Cliffy B is mainly responsible for "Generic Brown Cover Based Shooter Male Power Fantasies" is such a strawman. Most gamers that get tag a game with that 'generic brown' criticism have most likely never played that game in question and are just taking a glance at a game and hating on it without playing it past the first 30 minutes. Its a term coined by lazy reviewers that gamers started using to sound cool.

So it's HIS fault for starting the GBCBSMPF trend in gaming?

He shoulda left those conveniently indestructible chest high walls alone!

And I dunno what you're talking about "lazy reviewers" and all that. Too many shooters just imitate the Gears/Call of Duty formula because those games sold well. You must have played or bought several, so you know what I'm talking about. Our cups overfloweth with GBCBSMPF's. Gears was fun, everything else was more of the same except worse and with lazier design.

Don't blame Cliffy B for other developers copying what he brought to the table. Blame a creatively dead console industry. If people didn't buy 5 differing versions of the same game we wouldn't be suffering this. What next? You're gonna blame Peter Molynuex for mediocre open world western RPGS?

Thank God he's gone. Guy was an annoying douchebag. I want no further stories about him and I NEVER want to see him at another E3. This is a great day for the video game industry

MEanwhile on the PCgamer front, much "meh" was given. Unreal aside, the guy pretty much stuck the unreal franchise out to dry and the PC market the finger. So... you'll excuse me if I am not too caring on his departure.

I mean I don't hate him but I just don't care about EPIC as a studio anymore.

Mr.Pandah:

Magichead:

Mr.Pandah:
Awww...it's actually really sad to see him go. He was a huge personality for the gaming business and it'll be a while before we have someone around like him again I feel. =/

The longer the better. Really, why do people find giant manchildren who act like cocky highschool jocks appealing? The man could have been leaking talent from every orifice, he still had one of the most unlikable public personas in media.

It's because he HAD a personality.

Wait, so a genuine, honest, fair, rational, hard working but fairly dull person is inferior in your view to a vacant, annoying, stuck-in-his-teens overgrown manchild, because the latter has a memorably bad personality?

Who knew that being really really terrible at something is actually better than being forgettably average at it!

Magichead:

Mr.Pandah:

Magichead:

The longer the better. Really, why do people find giant manchildren who act like cocky highschool jocks appealing? The man could have been leaking talent from every orifice, he still had one of the most unlikable public personas in media.

It's because he HAD a personality.

Wait, so a genuine, honest, fair, rational, hard working but fairly dull person is inferior in your view to a vacant, annoying, stuck-in-his-teens overgrown manchild, because the latter has a memorably bad personality?

Who knew that being really really terrible at something is actually better than being forgettably average at it!

Pretty much, yeah. I never knew who the other supposed person was so I could never care for them. It's a good thing Cliffy B loved what he did though and was passionate about it all and oh I dont know...was good at it too? It's a wonder why missing someone is so hard for others to comprehend.

Mr.Pandah:

Magichead:

Mr.Pandah:

It's because he HAD a personality.

Wait, so a genuine, honest, fair, rational, hard working but fairly dull person is inferior in your view to a vacant, annoying, stuck-in-his-teens overgrown manchild, because the latter has a memorably bad personality?

Who knew that being really really terrible at something is actually better than being forgettably average at it!

Pretty much, yeah. I never knew who the other supposed person was so I could never care for them. It's a good thing Cliffy B loved what he did though and was passionate about it all and oh I dont know...was good at it too? It's a wonder why missing someone is so hard for others to comprehend.

I understand the concept of "missing someone" perfectly well, I'm just boggling at the idea that a person could "miss" an annoying fuckwad who lowered the tone of every discussion he took part in and acted like a 12 year old's fantasy of what being an adult is like. And whether he was good at making games is an EXTREMELY questionable issue.

Magichead:

Mr.Pandah:

Magichead:

Wait, so a genuine, honest, fair, rational, hard working but fairly dull person is inferior in your view to a vacant, annoying, stuck-in-his-teens overgrown manchild, because the latter has a memorably bad personality?

Who knew that being really really terrible at something is actually better than being forgettably average at it!

Pretty much, yeah. I never knew who the other supposed person was so I could never care for them. It's a good thing Cliffy B loved what he did though and was passionate about it all and oh I dont know...was good at it too? It's a wonder why missing someone is so hard for others to comprehend.

I understand the concept of "missing someone" perfectly well, I'm just boggling at the idea that a person could "miss" an annoying fuckwad who lowered the tone of every discussion he took part in and acted like a 12 year old's fantasy of what being an adult is like. And whether he was good at making games is an EXTREMELY questionable issue.

It might be extremely questionable to you, and you might view him in the way you do, but that doesn't mean others do. You don't like the man, okay, fine, don't try and make it seem like I'm wrong for being sad that one of gaming's bigger personalities is leaving. I'll miss him, you won't. I care. You don't. Done.

Jumplion:
After only 20 years in the industry he's leaving it entirely? Or is he going to continue other projects on a smaller scale on his own? I really hope that he does not up and leave, as it really says something about the whole state that the industry is in.

I dunno, maybe I'm over reading it...

You are not, the video game industry is hell - long working hours, no time for family and friends, stressful environment, underpayed, you name it. The standard is 15 years - after that most programmers/3D artists leave, mostly because they start a family of their own and want to pay attention to them.

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