Alleged League of Legends Cheats Fined 30 Grand

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Lol, Riot you try so hard and fall so bad.

DragonLord Seth:
League of Legends:
-Nobody sponsors the competitions, so Riot has to
-CHEATERS
-Horrible graphics, imba new heroes, etc.

Dota 2
-OPA DENDI
-glhf and ggwp before and after every pro game
-No cheating, people win and lose by their skill

The amount of bias is astounding.

OT: I actually watched all of these games unlike most of the people posting in this thread. Frost was the only team that the screen cheating actually massively helped them out, their opponents strategy heavily relied on a first blood and the screen cheat by Woong led to Frost totally being able to shut it down.

Even though they got fined it isn't enough IMO, either remake those games (even though Frost would likely win again) or reduce Frosts total winnings by %20.

Riot has dropped the ball recently and is kind of a joke right now, they need to make an example and show that cheating just doesn't fly.

And to think this mess could have been solved with one simple solution: arrange the seats so the players have their BACKS TO THE AUDIENCE MONITOR. They'd have to turn around in a pretty obvious way to look at it, or use a mirror which would be pretty blatant cheating.

Blue Jay:

DragonLord Seth:
League of Legends:
-Nobody sponsors the competitions, so Riot has to
-CHEATERS
-Horrible graphics, imba new heroes, etc.

Dota 2
-OPA DENDI
-glhf and ggwp before and after every pro game
-No cheating, people win and lose by their skill

The amount of bias is astounding.

OT: I actually watched all of these games unlike most of the people posting in this thread. Frost was the only team that the screen cheating actually massively helped them out, their opponents strategy heavily relied on a first blood and the screen cheat by Woong led to Frost totally being able to shut it down.

Even though they got fined it isn't enough IMO, either remake those games (even though Frost would likely win again) or reduce Frosts total winnings by %20.

Riot has dropped the ball recently and is kind of a joke right now, they need to make an example and show that cheating just doesn't fly.

If this were football, or any other actual sport, they'd be disqualified from winning anything. This is why Riot fucked it up so bad. The only real discourse that makes any sense to anyone with a sense of sportsmanship (read: most of the people watching and subsidizing the event), is to DQ all cheating players. But because Riot fucked up the venue so much, they'd have to basically DQ everyone. In the largest e-sports jackpot tournament ever.

GG Riot, Real Men of Genius.

Riot were being literally retarded when it came to stopping the teams from cheating... I mean whoever set up the venue must have been drooling from the mouth when they did it...

Aside from the fact of how easy it is to look over your shoulder at a 300 inch fucking screen and only costing about 10 cardboard boxes (which were probably used to carry a lot of the stuff) to fix, they didn't even use the stupid freaking NORMAL spectator system which THEY THEMSELVES IMPLEMENTED INTO LEAGUE OF LEGENDS TO AVOID CHEATING and instead decided to use a revised version of the screen that is "tournament standard" and doesn't have the 3 minute delay.

EDIT: and as far as I see it, AF didn't deserve the fine AT ALL. they weren't doing anything different than all of the other teams. Really, ALL of the players were looking over to their teammates constantly and I am 100% certain that a lot of those looks also contained glances at the screen. AF just got the fine because they had the least skill in cheating.

DragonLord Seth:
League of Legends:
-Nobody sponsors the competitions, so Riot has to

That's just bizarre; I abhor LOL, but it's massively popular for most of the reasons the serious DOTA players hate it. You're insinuating that nobody wants to sponsor the most played game, but they'd be falling all over themselves to back the best Dota because.. business and marketing is driven by competitive integrity and not eyeballs? Let alone the fact that Valve started this whole 'Million dollars, GO' marketing tool in the first place.

Kargathia:

Generally, on a professional level, with this much money involved, even "it was our first time" is no excuse. If they don't have the expertise, they should hire it.

That said, I find it weirdly appropriate that in a game where matches so often devolve to flamewars between players, the tournament is marred by a clusterfuck of derps.
Now just blame the jungler, and everything is as it should be.

In all honesty, if that's your experience 'often' there's a variable in all those games.

I'll give you a hint. You.

Tanakh:

DragonLord Seth:

And you're implying that Na'Vi isn't best team.

They aren't, and the international actually proves that! Not to mention how bad they are being in the star ladder. They are the most fun to watch though.

For the Dota 2 Internationals, at least, they won first place for the first game and got smashed into second back in August, I'd say that that proves that while they might not be the best, they are among the very best.
And DendiPudge is what made me fall in love with one of my 3 top 10 heroes now.

I love that the word alleged is in the title... they clearly cheated and admitted to it. Why be so casual with the accusation?

Quesa:
LOL, but it's massively popular for most of the reasons the serious DOTA players hate it. You're insinuating that nobody wants to sponsor the most played game, but they'd be falling all over themselves to back the best Dota because.. business and marketing is driven by competitive integrity and not eyeballs? Let alone the fact that Valve started this whole 'Million dollars, GO' marketing tool in the first place.

Ahh, LoL is far from being the most played game, since you are comparing it directly to DotA it might have 1/5 of matches played or so in recent years.

BTW, I don't hate it, actually I don't care about it, just in this thread for the lulz.

DragonLord Seth:
For the Dota 2 Internationals, at least, they won first place for the first game and got smashed into second back in August, I'd say that that proves that while they might not be the best, they are among the very best.
And DendiPudge is what made me fall in love with one of my 3 top 10 heroes now.

They are, a shame they don't strive to be better. At this rate I don't think a non chineese will win the international in a loooong while.

Blue Jay:
OT: I actually watched all of these games unlike most of the people posting in this thread. Frost was the only team that the screen cheating actually massively helped them out, their opponents strategy heavily relied on a first blood and the screen cheat by Woong led to Frost totally being able to shut it down.

Even though they got fined it isn't enough IMO, either remake those games (even though Frost would likely win again) or reduce Frosts total winnings by %20.

Riot has dropped the ball recently and is kind of a joke right now, they need to make an example and show that cheating just doesn't fly.

I don't see why the team should be punished at all because of Riot's incompetence. If they honestly didn't think that having the big screens in view of the players was a really bad idea before hand then that's their own damn fault. You can't do that and then expect players not to look. You either do your job right up front or you admit you fucked up, fix it, and if possible re-do the matches. Fining a team because the organizers couldn't do their job properly and avoid the most obviously bad thing in the entire world is laughable.

It's basically saying that even though all of the fault for this being possible lies with them, they're going to try and pass the blame and the financial consequences on to someone else. God forbid we expect these people to take the responsibility themselves.

This was like a week ago,and might I add that anyone in their shoes would do the same,like you know,THE OTHER TEAMS!?
When crucial information is just 30 degrees from your blind spot and a slight turn would reveal it,for the sake of a chance of winning 2,000,000$,which is your only source of income,of course you're going to do it.Also this also shows clear bias from Riot,because NA favorites got knocked out immediately,even they admitted that they were outright outplayed.

Blue Jay:

DragonLord Seth:
League of Legends:
-Nobody sponsors the competitions, so Riot has to
-CHEATERS
-Horrible graphics, imba new heroes, etc.

Dota 2
-OPA DENDI
-glhf and ggwp before and after every pro game
-No cheating, people win and lose by their skill

The amount of bias is astounding.

OT: I actually watched all of these games unlike most of the people posting in this thread. Frost was the only team that the screen cheating actually massively helped them out, their opponents strategy heavily relied on a first blood and the screen cheat by Woong led to Frost totally being able to shut it down.

Even though they got fined it isn't enough IMO, either remake those games (even though Frost would likely win again) or reduce Frosts total winnings by %20.

Riot has dropped the ball recently and is kind of a joke right now, they need to make an example and show that cheating just doesn't fly.

No they don't, they need to show themselves to not be colossal retards and admit that they are the ones who compromised the integrity of the game by using the honor system in a game with a $2mil prize pool. It should not be possible to cheat by turning the fuck around, it's retardation at level of putting an "I win" button on their keyboards.

Frostbite3789:

Kargathia:

Generally, on a professional level, with this much money involved, even "it was our first time" is no excuse. If they don't have the expertise, they should hire it.

That said, I find it weirdly appropriate that in a game where matches so often devolve to flamewars between players, the tournament is marred by a clusterfuck of derps.
Now just blame the jungler, and everything is as it should be.

In all honesty, if that's your experience 'often' there's a variable in all those games.

I'll give you a hint. You.

I admit, my attempts at humour aren't always funny, but I'd think this particular stab at comedy would've been obvious enough.
There's no way you could've known, but your reply does make for a quite amusing read, as I really do go out of my way to stay out of flame fests during matches - it works wonders for my blood pressure.

Screen peeking isn't cheating. Everyone has the same tools and some use them better than others or are more willing to.

Vivi22:

Blue Jay:
OT: I actually watched all of these games unlike most of the people posting in this thread. Frost was the only team that the screen cheating actually massively helped them out, their opponents strategy heavily relied on a first blood and the screen cheat by Woong led to Frost totally being able to shut it down.

Even though they got fined it isn't enough IMO, either remake those games (even though Frost would likely win again) or reduce Frosts total winnings by %20.

Riot has dropped the ball recently and is kind of a joke right now, they need to make an example and show that cheating just doesn't fly.

I don't see why the team should be punished at all because of Riot's incompetence. If they honestly didn't think that having the big screens in view of the players was a really bad idea before hand then that's their own damn fault. You can't do that and then expect players not to look. You either do your job right up front or you admit you fucked up, fix it, and if possible re-do the matches. Fining a team because the organizers couldn't do their job properly and avoid the most obviously bad thing in the entire world is laughable.

It's basically saying that even though all of the fault for this being possible lies with them, they're going to try and pass the blame and the financial consequences on to someone else. God forbid we expect these people to take the responsibility themselves.

No I know that Riot is an incapable company. I watched as there was 5 disconnects which led to restarts in games where there were clear winners. The shoutcasters had to keep talking for over 8 hours without water or toilet breaks.

But to say this is all Riots fault is untrue, sure they should have made it impossible for these teams to cheat, but they didn't. They clearly stated that it was an honor system where if the teams looked they would be penalized.

Oh and I agree that these games should be remade %100 but I know Riot has no intention of doing this because there would be way to much outcry for remakes for all the games which they could not do.

Dat ruined lvl 1 gank made me sad because I was rooting for TSM :(

Also, I was at the semi finals game when the Internet went out like 10x times. The day ended with us not watching more than the first round over and over again =_=

although they did compensate us with goodies for it. Also, I have a friend who works at Riot, and she's been sleeping like 5 hours a day for the past week. Lol, I wonder why

Tanakh:

Quesa:
LOL, but it's massively popular for most of the reasons the serious DOTA players hate it. You're insinuating that nobody wants to sponsor the most played game, but they'd be falling all over themselves to back the best Dota because.. business and marketing is driven by competitive integrity and not eyeballs? Let alone the fact that Valve started this whole 'Million dollars, GO' marketing tool in the first place.

Ahh, LoL is far from being the most played game, since you are comparing it directly to DotA it might have 1/5 of matches played or so in recent years.

Maybe do your research or something before saying things that are blatantly wrong. League is recognized as the most played game in the world right now, officially beating WoW with the amount of active users it has.

To say that LoL has 1/5 of the games played that DotA has is a joke. more like DotA has 1/15 games played that LoL does.

Man, I am glad I don't care about DOTA-likes lol. Muscle memory makes not looking in the direction your eye is drawn difficult. It's like holding your breath, it's easier to just take the fucking breath already. The image of these super-serious pro gamers in the midst of an important match with thousands of dollars on the line straining not to glance at the cheat screen cracks me up.

Blue Jay:
But to say this is all Riots fault is untrue, sure they should have made it impossible for these teams to cheat, but they didn't. They clearly stated that it was an honor system where if the teams looked they would be penalized.

Here's the problem I have with this: making up a rule about being on an honour system to not cheat when it is so easy to do with screens within view is a band-aid solution to their incompetence. In fact, they just look even more incompetent by expecting anyone to even follow it. Sorry, but the blame lies 100% with them on this. If you don't want anyone looking at the big screens to have an unfair advantage then you don't let them play somewhere where they can see them easily from where they're sitting. End of story. You don't make silly bullshit rules to cover for a problem you created. These players have every incentive to win with that much money on the line and human nature is simply going to be that one or more teams will try and take advantage of it. It's a rule that does absolutely nothing in effect except punish them for trying to win (the goal of the tournament) more easily.

Anyway, I'm rambling now. Point is, with that much money on the line, they're idiots if they think no ones going to try and look and gain an advantage, and their idiots for not making one of several simple decisions in setting up the venue which would insure they never needed a band-aid rule to try and solve the problem. They created the situation, they set up the temptation to cheat, and surprise surprise, some people succumbed. This is absolutely 100% on them because the problem was 100% preventable by them.

Blue Jay:
Maybe do your research or something before saying things that are blatantly wrong. League is recognized as the most played game in the world right now, officially beating WoW with the amount of active users it has.

To say that LoL has 1/5 of the games played that DotA has is a joke. more like DotA has 1/15 games played that LoL does.

I do my research and:

- LoL ammount of matches played according to Riot over 1 billion in tree years (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/07/11/riot-games-league-of-legends-officially-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/)

- DotA ammount of matches played according to the client 11 admin 4.9 billion in one year (http://t.qq.com/p/t/87495011667263)

- DotA client eleven is the biggest one in china and surrounding areas, but not the only one.

So, no, I do my math, and do my research, and was bieng quite generous, a harsher estimate would be that DotA was played 10 times more than LoL last year. Now, if you are talking about america or only Valve's Dota, sure, LoL is bigger by around 10 times, but i assumed we were talking about the world. And yeah, i know i am linking a forbes article with less than accurate info.

Tanakh:

Blue Jay:
Maybe do your research or something before saying things that are blatantly wrong. League is recognized as the most played game in the world right now, officially beating WoW with the amount of active users it has.

To say that LoL has 1/5 of the games played that DotA has is a joke. more like DotA has 1/15 games played that LoL does.

I do my research and:

- LoL ammount of matches played according to Riot over 1 billion in tree years (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/07/11/riot-games-league-of-legends-officially-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/)

- DotA ammount of matches played according to the client 11 admin 4.9 billion in one year (http://t.qq.com/p/t/87495011667263)

- DotA client eleven is the biggest one in china and surrounding areas, but not the only one.

So, no, I do my math, and do my research, and was bieng quite generous, a harsher estimate would be that DotA was played 10 times more than LoL last year. Now, if you are talking about america or only Valve's Dota, sure, LoL is bigger by around 10 times, but i assumed we were talking about the world. And yeah, i know i am linking a forbes article with less than accurate info.

Well I was pretty sure we were talking about Valves DotA, but I'll just leave this here: http://majorleagueoflegends.s3.amazonaws.com/lol_infographic.png

If you don't want to read it all just look at the bottom.

after seeing how the world of tanks tournament being organized, this still looks great.

Blue Jay:
Well I was pretty sure we were talking about Valves DotA, but I'll just leave this here: http://majorleagueoflegends.s3.amazonaws.com/lol_infographic.png

If you don't want to read it all just look at the bottom.

Which is of course ignoring that they are smaller than the chineese DotA clients. I gave you the official numbers of both DotA and LoL, so unless you say DotA admins are lying, there is no way around it, DotA is played more.

Tanakh:

Blue Jay:
Well I was pretty sure we were talking about Valves DotA, but I'll just leave this here: http://majorleagueoflegends.s3.amazonaws.com/lol_infographic.png

If you don't want to read it all just look at the bottom.

Which is of course ignoring that they are smaller than the chineese DotA clients. I gave you the official numbers of both DotA and LoL, so unless you say DotA admins are lying, there is no way around it, DotA is played more.

Considering I cannot understand Chinese there's now way for me to support those DotA claims. I'm assuming they could be exaggerated though.

Maybe we can agree to disagree untill I see better evidence (that I can understand at least)

Mike Fang:
And to think this mess could have been solved with one simple solution: arrange the seats so the players have their BACKS TO THE AUDIENCE MONITOR.

That's exactly the setup they used.

Evil Smurf:
there is no honour among Thieves LOL.

I like how everybody was cheating

Yea and that TSM even admitted it... honorable^^

But LoL is seriously full of cheaters XD even at the pro level

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