Science Suggests We're Living in the Matrix

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Why does this remind me of Sburb and Homestuck?

KeyMaster45:
Awesome, so when can when can we open the debug console and turn on invincibility?

Thank christ I still remember IDDQD

I'm calling bullshit on this.

If videogames have tought me anything its that you cant even enter a building without a fucking loading screen.

No loading screens in real life? Well then its not a fucking simulation, is it?

^Maybe we're all playing on hardcore mode, Waspman... Or a Really bade port, one of the two

TopazFusion:
This isn't news to me. I got my trusty tinfoil hat on.

Ohhh, the things I could tell you.

For instance, did you know th- ...

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The universe runs on intel?

Bobic:
I've always thought the whole Observer Effect (specifically relating to quantum physics) was evidence that we were living in a simulation. The fact that things only choose values (i.e. exist in a defined way) when we observe them. So if no-one is looking, things don't exist. Sounds an awful lot like they're saving on processing power to me.

It always amazes me how people insist on making it sound like only a concious agent can be an observer in quantum measurement. This notion is in fact wrong and I implore you not to confuse public further on this matter. We get enough stuff like "What the bleep do we know" as it is.

Bobic:

From Wiki:

A key topic is that of wave function collapse, for which some interpretations assert that measurement causes a discontinuous change into a non-quantum state, which no longer evolves. The superposition principle (ψ = Σanψn) of quantum physics says that for a wave function ψ, a measurement will give a state of the quantum system of one of the m possible eigenvalues fn, n=1,2...m, of the operator which is part of the eigenfunctions ψn, n=1,2,...n. Once we have measured the system, we know its current state and this stops it from being in one of its other states.[1] This means that the type of measurement that we do on the system affects the end state of the system. An experimentally studied situation related to this is the quantum Zeno effect, in which a quantum state that would decay if left alone but does not decay because of its continuous observation.

Or, in none baffling science terms:

Quantum systems exist as what is known as a probability density (i.e. a system of possibilities, rather than something specific). Observation makes it pick one of these possibilities, and become defined. Therefore Keanu Reeves will lead us to salvation.

This actually raises an interesting point. There are several serious problems with the process of wave function collapse in quantum theory and the only interpretations that avoid these problems involve multiple universes in one way or another, so existence of quantum effects in our universe actually means that we most likely are not in a simulation. Imagine how much computing power it would take to continually simulate a universe which basically makes a slightly different copy of itself every time a quantum state inside it loses coherence. Then you have to keep track of both copies and the copies they will generate and so on. And that's only to simulate one layer in nested structure. Imagine that every copy is running a similar simulation itself. I think that a civilisation that has such computing power would be able to find a more useful way of using it.

The_Waspman:
I'm calling bullshit on this.

If videogames have tought me anything its that you cant even enter a building without a fucking loading screen.

No loading screens in real life? Well then its not a fucking simulation, is it?

Well maybe not a simulation.

But string-theory suggests that everything we see is a giant hologram (it's called the holographic principle and it basically states that everything we see is a 3D holographic representation of 2D information stored on the "surface" of the universe, it's basically how we think Black Holes operate).

The_Waspman:
I'm calling bullshit on this.

If videogames have tought me anything its that you cant even enter a building without a fucking loading screen.

No loading screens in real life? Well then its not a fucking simulation, is it?

Think about it, If there were loading screens, you wouldn't see them - your simulation would be paused while more data is loaded. Only those who made the simulation would notice anything happening at all.
Actually, you'd be experiencing time at a completely different rate to what the creators of the simulation were.

I've thought about this before 13th floor kind-of gave me the nudge..

Consider this: we continue to make advances in science, things are becoming more complex from what we remember growing up - It stands to reason that there is a chance that this is because they keep upgrading the simulation machine and over time it can handle more levels of detail, just like most of us do with our PCs.. We're just in something like a massively complex CryEngine or something like that. We don't notice the upgrade because they pause the simulation for perform them.

And if it was God who crated the simulation, think about this... what happens to computer programs on your PC when you close them down? Do their souls go to your hard drive? No, they stop running and the memory they allocated is used by something else... They never spill out onto your desk. They can never leave the digital world.

There is no afterlife if this is a simulation... Even if there is a God, you're going to heaven no more than Gordon Freeman will - and we like Gordon Freeman - He does noble work. When we close Half-Life, Gordon Freeman ceases to exist in memory and remains only on your hard drive as a set of instructions needed to create Gordon Freeman the next time you want to play.

Also, if this is a simulation, there is no free will as we're set on a pre-programmed path where our actions are based on stimulus and reaction - It's just so complex we perceive it as free will. Think about it, when was the last time you made a truly independent decision which wasn't based on outside factors or a learned response to some other stimulus?

I think a lot of people are reading this as, according to this theory we're plugged into the Matrix right now. But I'd say that if a civilization were to create a super advanced simulation of the universe, it would be populated with bits of data and artificial intelligence. So, you're not a person with a metal spike in your skull. You're data.

Is this the secret of reality? I doubt it. But it is an interesting idea.

Please be careful with your use of the word "science". Just because a scientist said it doesn't make it science.

Elate:

Scrythe:
-Snip.-

1G0TP1NK8CIDB00TS0N ....

Now how to access the cheat menu?

I... I think I love you.

Seems more like a hitchhikers guide to the universe

TimeLord:
So who's our Neo?

Me, quite obviously.

I break all the rules.

On a more serious note, isn't this Descartes' three levels of doubt all jazzed up with science?

I see people wigged out by this, why would it be scary if it were true?

Honestly, life is a meaningless void we ourselves funnel meaning into to please ourselves into an altered mental state to avoid feelings of pointlessness and depression...

So why would knowing that we are in fact nothing more than an experiment be any different, at least this way maybe we are serving a purpose somehow, shouldn't that at least be comforting to think of?

I would also like to pose some advice to those who struggle with stress and worry, if you cannot control something, prevent something, or do anything about something, simply don't bother worrying/thinking about it, because honestly, the only thing anyone can be certain of is that we all gotta die sometime, and other than suicide, we can't even control that, so why worry about something we only hypothesize might be how things are, hell we know next to nothing concrete about the universe in which we live as it stands, so any speculation towards the reasons for it's existence and the means by which it came to be, is a rather silly thing to feel stress or anxiety over, all that does is detract from a person's overall enjoyment of this limited existence we all share.

To the Machine Overlords

Make me a super rich super powered superhero. Call me.

Someone has a little too much spare time on their hands. 0.o

Sonic Doctor:
Yup, I thought so. To all the non-believers, God does exist. It's just that the world is just one big game of The Sims to him.

...And that bastard just took away our pool ladder. THE FUCK?!?!

Ferisar:

Magic and and purpose don't factor in here. Magic is a broad brush-stroke. If this "simulation" contains nothing that would be interpreted as magic, then there will be no magic. This isn't a novel written by some random person, it would have to be a precise set of systems which all function together. It's more like... everything is magic, but comes from somewhere.

Maybe magic was the wrong word. I think I should have meant usage of the debug engine. Just type in a specific cheat code, and suddenly certain objects can disobey gravity, go through walls or instantly clone themselves without any negative repercussions.

Purpose is an obvious no-no. Even basic functions don't serve any purpose when just scattered around a sheet. It's the very definition of sandbox.

Except sandboxes do serve a clear purpose, exploration. Just because it's open ended, doesn't mean it lacks purpose. Most simulations do have open ends in order to come up with new results.

Also, who's to say entropy is not a purpose?

If our universe really was a simulation, then yes, I'd say enthropy would be the purpose. I.e., this simulation was made to investigate the creation, expansion and dissolution of this type of universe.

And why would energy not be limited, dare I ask? We know the universe had a beginning, which then puts a limit on energy based on just... well, mass. Energy doesn't just pop out of nowhere, ever.

I think you misunderstood me, I do not in anyway try to deny E=mc^2 or Newton's Golden Law. What I meant was that I didn't understood how this may prove we live within a simulation. If energy and/or mass can magically appear out of nowhere, then it must mean we live in a simulation. That's at least how I resonate.

The first point makes the most sense, but even then, the perception of time doesn't hold up. This "simulation" may take nano-seconds on a higher state, and entropy would be the shut-down point, where-as we experience the same thing in billions-trillions of years. You just have to look at this from a different perspective.

As I said, this is a very intriguing thought experiment, and I don't want come of as a party-pooper. I do in fact wish that this is a simulation we live in. That it's something we can wake up from. Alas there is no hard proof, so I don't want to get too excited.

Binnsyboy:

TimeLord:
So who's our Neo?

Me, quite obviously.

I break all the rules.

On a more serious note, isn't this Descartes' three levels of doubt all jazzed up with science?

On a more serious note, I'm fairly sure this is just Wolfram with "But literally machines"

Isn't this story the plot for the movie "The Thirteenth Floor" ? It is definitely a neat theory.

I KNEW IT!

Grenge Di Origin:
First thing that comes to mind:

Oh, Intelligent Qube. I never told i would see you again.

OT:

Oh jeez, it turn out those crazy kids who believed we were inside the Matrix (heck one murder his parent as he feel they weren't "real") from this documentry were right all along!

Of course, the theory falls apart when you come to the realization that the hardware for said simulation would have a finite amount of computing power available, so wouldn't be able to run infinite nestled simulations (and, realistically speaking, probably wouldn't be able to run even a single nestled simulation)

Bobic:

Quantum systems exist as what is known as a probability density (i.e. a system of possibilities, rather than something specific). Observation makes it pick one of these possibilities, and become defined. Therefore Keanu Reeves will lead us to salvation.

I'm still not aware of any situation where we know that these specific states aren't happening constantly at very rapid intervals.

Again I'm not a genius nor is this my area of expertise but I've yet to see it explained where the educator has been like "This shit is magic."

It seems entirely reasonable and not grounds for magic being afoot.

ShAmMz0r:

It always amazes me how people insist on making it sound like only a concious agent can be an observer in quantum measurement. This notion is in fact wrong and I implore you not to confuse public further on this matter. We get enough stuff like "What the bleep do we know" as it is.

Yeah! This guy, I like this guy. If you are a girl I maintain my point and just would request you change the gender of my original sentence.

Either way, that's my point, I don't know of anything that makes this a remarkable thing. I mean its cool, but not like "Our world is the sims." Not that it would matter if it was.

fun idea but super duper highly improbable

*poops on everyones parade

*escapes with jetpack

Scrythe:

Elate:

Scrythe:
-Snip.-

1G0TP1NK8CIDB00TS0N ....

Now how to access the cheat menu?

I... I think I love you.

It's ok I understand, not everyone can look this good in pink acid boots.

Well...if that's true, then that means we would wake up to a lame reality, possibly die because of it somehow. So...I guess this simulation ain't that bad. I mean, it's not like I'm being tortured or living a crappy life. AND now that I got the hang of this life, I can become something better.

Yeah, okay.

Spoiler: It's all rubbish.

theultimateend:

Bobic:

Quantum systems exist as what is known as a probability density (i.e. a system of possibilities, rather than something specific). Observation makes it pick one of these possibilities, and become defined. Therefore Keanu Reeves will lead us to salvation.

I'm still not aware of any situation where we know that these specific states aren't happening constantly at very rapid intervals.

Again I'm not a genius nor is this my area of expertise but I've yet to see it explained where the educator has been like "This shit is magic."

It seems entirely reasonable and not grounds for magic being afoot.

Well, from the way you phrased that it sounds like that is just one possible explanation for the effect. Another explanation is that we're all subroutines in some massive experimental program awaiting guidance from Jeff Bridges.

More seriously though, what about the Quantum zeno effect?

'The quantum Zeno effect is a name coined by George Sudarshan and Baidyanath Misra of the University of Texas in 1977 in their analysis of the situation in which an unstable particle, if observed continuously, will never decay'

Observations apparently do cause things to not change state, in some situations.

Also, while no one has said "this shit is magic", Richard Feynmann, a pretty big deal in quantum physics, is often attributed to saying (though, may not actually have said) "if you think you understand Quantum Physics, you don't understand Quantum Physics" which is only a couple of steps away from "this shit is magic". And that has been said to me by educators in relevant fields.

Bobic:

Also, while no one has said "this shit is magic", Richard Feynmann, a pretty big deal in quantum physics, is often attributed to saying (though, may not actually have said) "if you think you understand Quantum Physics, you don't understand Quantum Physics" which is only a couple of steps away from "this shit is magic". And that has been said to me by educators in relevant fields.

I'm not entirely sure if you were trying to be condescending or not with that pretty big deal message. So I'll assume not.

These effects are perplexing only because of their relative youth. As our tools become better and more people examine the issues they'll be less surprising.

Basically everything in our history scientifically has seemed like magic at first, there is that Arthur C. Clarke point about sufficiently advanced technologies being indistinguishable from magic.

In this case we have dipped into a universe that is so removed from our own that things are difficult to explain because we routinely attempt to explain them with concepts that only apply to our macro level world.

Basically the very fact that Feynman and others have stated that they don't really know why things are the way they are yet is reason to not assume that any explanation we have for things in this field is entirely correct.

In the case of the Quantum Zeno effect, when something is directly observed it is likely the focal point of some kind of energy transfer. The only way for us to see things is to bounce energy off of them or through them. If you are continually interacting with a particle specifically then why would you expect it to decay?

However for objects that are merely fluttering about in random chaos they will be hit in a random pattern with no certainty of repetition and natural decay will occur.

But in the end I'd rather not argue over it too much because again its not my expertise and this topic doesn't really matter (this topic being the OP).

If the universe is entirely fabricated then all things are fabricated and thus all things lose importance at the exact same amount. This would mean that all emotions, feelings, events, etc are still just as valid as they were prior because their relative worth has shifted exactly as much as all other things in the universe.

So while QM is incredibly fascinating and one of my favorite things to read about or learn about, the brain in a jar philosophical question is as empty and pointless as so many other "deep" concepts.

PS. Is it just me or does everyone incredibly fascinating die from cancer? I feel like it has some kind of biases :/.

Well, this explains why my personal belongings do not obey the law of conservation of mass-energy.

itchcrotch:
Here's a mind-fuck though! 1 = positive energy yes?

No

itchcrotch:
Then what does 0 equate to?

The absence of energy.

itchcrotch:
Most would say "negative energy!"

No, they wouldn't, because most people aren't stupid enough to think of "negative energy" as a thing that exists.

itchcrotch:
So if 1 is positive, and 0 is simply 'not positive, or negative', then what if there is 1, 0 and -1? Is this the same as ternary (0, 1 and 2)? or is it something different?

It's different. 0 is not 1, 1 is not 0, and 2 is not -1. In both binary and trinary computers, negative numbers like -1 would be stored as floating-point data.

Sonic Doctor:
So, if you see a plate of cookies appear in the middle of a room, don't go after the cookies.

No, see, God put the plate of cookies out here to test your guilt. If you don't touch it, you're guilty. I ate the whole plate. The WHOLE plate!

Leemaster777:
Guys, guys, I think all of you are missing the big picture here.

Okay, what do we all use the internet for? That's right, porn. So, theoretically, the beings that created OUR universe would use THEIR internet for porn, too.

I think we all know what needs to be done now. If our universe really IS a giant simulation, then we need to scour the universe for the ancient super-porn made by our creators. And it will be glorious.

What makes you think that they'd hook us up to their Internet? Furthermore, what makes you think that their porn is some kind of "super-porn", or that it would be "glorious"? As far as I can tell, they ran into some kind of creative block when trying to come up with new porn ideas, so they created us to create all kinds of sick, depraved shit for their enjoyment. I consider "Two girls, one cup", Rule 34, and "clopping" to be proof positive of this fact.

Innegativeion:
I always found the "infinite simulations theory" to be a fat load.

It makes the massive assumption that a race would, for some purpose, rather erase their lives and live in a simulation for eternity.

You're making the assumption that they live in the simulation.

iblis666:
so wait a minute some one took the time to make a simulation of the universe and this is the best they could come up with?

crimson sickle2:
Why would scientists bother recreating me typing in my room, alone, between wanks?

The Lugz:
besides, if some alien or super-sized human has nothing better to do than simulate me farting while i sleep in a mega reality engine then frankly he has more energy and free time than sense

(similar posts)

You guys never played The Sims, did you?

Christopher Callahan:
What if this is their idea of fulfillment?

That too. Maybe they've achieved utopia, but their perfect lives have left them bored as all fuck, so they create a world full of war, disease, and corruption to provide them with entertainment. Basically, our universe is their version of Warhammer 40k.

Moonlight Butterfly:
If this is a simulation why the hell did they make it so boring. Where the are dragons and zombies. Rubbish.

Dragons? Come on, those are no more interesting than dinosaurs. We have something way better.

In Soviet Earth, plant eats YOU!

image

Now THAT is some freaky shit right there.

theSteamSupported:
Also, in order for a simulation to be run, it needs a purpose. As of right now, our universe doesn't seem to have any other purpose other than an accelerating enthropy into the cold, dark nothingness.

It would actually be a hot, dark nothingness, but whatever...

...and as I've already pointed out, the purpose of our universe is to generate huge quantities of sick porn.

theSteamSupported:
Thirdly, if this is a simulation, magic should exist. By magic, I mean phenomenas that cleraly breaks the laws of nature without any possible explanation. The problem is that all 'supernatural' phenomena that has been witness, has also been explained by science.

You say that as if relativity and large swaths of quantum physics don't already break the laws of common goddamn sense without any possible explanation other than "that's just how shit works".

EHKOS:
Yeah, no. Certain people would be able to bend the rules, and even kids have the determination to try like hell. With the exception of magicians, Jesus, and super martial artists, no one has been able to bend the rules.

Well, some people are basically immune to AIDS...

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/01/66198?currentPage=all

...and others have more interesting alleged abilities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmuheen

Or I could just let Cracked make my points for me:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19661_6-real-people-with-mind-blowing-mutant-superpowers.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_16449_7-people-from-around-world-with-real-mutant-superpowers.html

Zeren:
What if we are just one big Sims game?

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It would explain a lot.

OH.

MY.

GOD.

Just yesterday, I was looking through Google Images for "mind blown", and that image was one of the results.

THE USERS ARE FUCKING WITH ME.

uro vii:
what are the chances that a human civilization so advanced that it could produce and use this sort of simulation on mass ...

en masse.

It's French.

Korzack:

KeyMaster45:
Awesome, so when can when can we open the debug console and turn on invincibility?

Thank christ I still remember IDDQD

"Your memory serves you well" - Doom 3, upon iddqd being entered into the console.

ShAmMz0r:
We get enough stuff like "What the bleep do we know" as it is.

God, I fucking hated that movie. So a creepy old man is perving out over a blind girl; what does this have to do with quantum magic?

MrFalconfly:
string-theory suggests that everything we see is a giant hologram (it's called the holographic principle and it basically states that everything we see is a 3D holographic representation of 2D information stored on the "surface" of the universe, it's basically how we think Black Holes operate).

This reminded me of a motivational poster that I just spent the past 2 hours trying to find on Google Images.

GOD DAMMIT WHERE IS THAT MOTIVATOR?

theSteamSupported:
Maybe magic was the wrong word. I think I should have meant usage of the debug engine. Just type in a specific cheat code, and suddenly certain objects can disobey gravity, go through walls or instantly clone themselves without any negative repercussions.

I own an object that magically cloned itself back in '06 or 07. True story, bro.

TimeLord:
So who's our Neo?

Me, obviously. Just as just as soon as I decide to get off my fat ass and get in shape XD

I'm assuming if this were true, we would be a long, long way down the line of simulated universes.

Sounds like a "chicken or the egg" thing to me.

* Simulations are built to simulate reality.
* Reality is built in such a way we can simulate it.
* So what came first, the reality or the backdrop in which it is simulated?

It's more or less inevitable you're going to encounter inadvertent similarities, such as a limitation of energy particles in reality behaving in a manner similar to what you'd expect from a simulation.

So, anyone know how to turn off the blood code?

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