BioWare Charts Star Wars: The Old Republic Free-to-Play Restrictions

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So if I'm reading this right, people who bought the game but let their subscription run out are going to be in the same boat as those who never paid a cent. Or am I missing something here?

Evil Smurf:
is it anything like KOTOR 1?

Hell no. And if you liked Reven in any way then stay away because they screw him over big time. Him and HK-47.

Kyrinn:
So if I'm reading this right, people who bought the game but let their subscription run out are going to be in the same boat as those who never paid a cent. Or am I missing something here?

In the first announcement there was supposed to be a reward for sticking with them with the P2P option. I think the reward was supposed to be like cash for the cash shop and such.

OT: Gonna be honest i'm happy with this F2P model so far, I enjoyed the star wars stories and PvE a lot better than the gw2 story and PvE. The limiting 3 per week is a bit of a stretch, but meh i enjoyed the stories a lot more than anything else.

Somehow the F2P version makes me want to play this game even less. How is that possible!?

Between this and the free trial, I see no reason to go any further than I already have. The first 10 levels were boring as hell, and badly written (so much for "single player"), nothing about this game seems to insist I pay for a thing.

On the bright side I now know for certain I have nothing else to look forward to here. Guild Wars 2 looks to be in my future, at least I enjoyed what I was doing in the first one, solo or with others. GW2 looks to be at least worth the initial price of admission.

:looks at restrictions:

Meh, no thanks.

:goes back to playing LOTRO for free:

DaxStrife:
How much to play it without using EA's Origin system?
...Yes, that's still a deal-breaker for me.

when i played i didn't need Origin at all, unless they changed something, still shouldn't

OT:

so ... they're limiting an already hilariously limited character creator, limiting space missions, for no reason, and basically making it so anyone that left, has no real reason to go back, aside from finishing the less then stellar story.

how long before this tanks completely?

Sooo... thety want the customers to pay for the things that they all decided were un fun and valueless and stopped paying for in the first place? While they are giving away the good value ridden part of the game for free?

BRILLIANT!

Wow, BW is just self destructing. They have a game where something like 75% of the people who tried it left. A majority of those apparently claimed in their exit survey that the game isn't worth the sub cost.

So what do they do? Strip what few features are in the game that people already don't think are worth a sub fee and punish anyone who doesn't pay for them? It seems to me the idea behind F2P is to keep people playing so they are more likely to spend money on frills, not annoy them to the point that forking out money or quitting is their only option. They already made that decision once before, after all.

I mean weekly passes to raids and pvp? Yeah, someone who doesn't want to sub is going to pay every week to get their pvp fix. That's going to happen @@.

And some of these limitations seem like they will indirectly inconvenience P2P players just as much. No sprint, for example, just forces everyone in group to wait on the slow player.

Sad, just sad.

Edit: and The really sad part is I would bet if they offered much more of the game for free but put some actual work into different races for MTs they would make a boatload.

Twyce:
I don't understand how they can limit character creation even more. I mean, it's pretty bare bones as it is.

That being said, good luck to them I guess. Seems like those restrictions will turn more people off than on to the game.

Simple! You take all those humans with the gizmos, humans with the tentacles on their heads, humans with cat ears, and humans with blue skin, and you turn them into humans!

Hell, pretty much every race in the game that is playable are just a copy of the basic human model, on top of "skinny as sin", "average" or "extremely bulky". So its not like you'll be missing much with these restrictions.

I just wanna know when the HK-51's are finally being implemented

Like there is still anyone playing the Old Republic free or not anyway. Anyone who can run ToR might as well jump ship to Guild Wars 2.

StriderShinryu:
I'm sure this will prompt many to try the game that haven't before. I must say, though, that it definitely seems at least at first glance that these restrictions are much harsher than in other F2P/Optional Sub games I've heard about/played. LOTRO, for example, is F2P with an optional sub too, but you can earn credits for the cash store in game easily enough. With some effort and running a couple of characters at a time, you can pay for pretty much everything this way without even opening your wallet once. The optional sub for LOTRO just makes things easier and quicker but it isn't the only way to get a quality game experience which sounds like it may be the case here.

Unless you have oodles of time...god, the amount of grinding to earn anything substantial in LotRO feels absolutely absurd.

Evil Smurf:
is it anything like KOTOR 1?

It really isn't. I spent 2 days downloading and installing it, played it for 3 days as a Republic Trooper, got to level 11, and never went back.
I could write pages and pages of what is crap about it, but I'll leave it with this:

Crappy combat mechanics, static worlds, static people, crap graphics, too few character attributes to manipulate, unispiring sidequests, lots of grind, the stories are alright, but not really anything to do with the KOTOR universe as far as I've seen. Extra game mechanics are unintuitive and balls hard to understand (at level 10 you're supposed to choose a class to specialise in. It took me so long to find the person that upgrades you that I'd ended up leveling an extra level, so I'd miss out on my level 10 character points for my specialisation.) After I finished the tutorial island place I got so frustrated at the game for not knowing where to go next, and not telling me how to use all the new stuff that I left the game, and haven't had the draw to turn it on again.

It's just a really thin, plastic-y world, and the stories aren't enough to let me look past the crap combat, crap aesthetics, dead immersion, boring travel and frustrating gameplay.

I broke out laughing when I saw the list and saw that I have to buy a license to use the gear I earned on my character before I let my sub run out. I had already given up on this game about 3 items into the list, but hey that's what I get for even considering coming back to this abomination of an MMO. F*** you EA and especially F*** you Bioware. I'm gonna stick to Eve and actually play a game worth the money.

I love the snarkiness of this article!

As I had said once before, EA needs to learn the difference between "free-to-play" and "pay-to-win". This does nothing but make it a bigger inconvenience for legit players, as the only difference will be that they just have more access to the features they didn't want anyway. EA/BW have gone about this all the wrong way.

Aiddon:
I just wanna know when the HK-51's are finally being implemented

When they're finished stomping on any of Obsidian's creativity.

The only restriction I can see in there that really annoys me is buying licenses to use the items -I- looted. That's just obnoxious, it's like giving out free candy, but putting it in a locked box and telling people they have to buy the key.

Eh, I was almost interested in going back, I did enjoy the storylines, but the game was already so limited, and these restrictions do not make me want to even come back for free.

if you like kotor and want a decent f2p mmo, play ddo. It's d&d not star wars, but it has all the d20 goodness. You can also earn in game favor for points to get the p2p content. With enough effort you can enjoy all the p2p content without spending a dime. I was in the swtor betas, and when they were over all I wanted was the time back I wasted on the atrocity known as swtor.

Clive Howlitzer:
Somehow the F2P version makes me want to play this game even less. How is that possible!?

Because they don't grasp the concept of F2P. Look at League of Legends. THAT is how you do F2P. All their content is available (new heros weekly) for everyone and it works converting them into paying customers.

Limits on character creation?

Well, there goes my intent to ever play. Haha, nice try Bioware.

Valanthe:
That's just obnoxious, it's like giving out free candy, but putting it in a locked box and telling people they have to buy the key.

thats what star trek online does haha

I have no idea why they think this is free to play. With examples from actual free to play MMO and buy to play MMOs out there . . . why would anyone play this? Certainly not just because it's Star Wars. With all those limitations? It's like a free to play MMO from ten or more years ago, and it's as if EA-Bioware are completely ignorant to the massive FTP and B2P MMO market out there that offers better and more open options than this. There is zero reason to subject yourself to these kinds of draconian limitations on an F2P MMO in this day and age. There are dozens of better, less limiting and far more open options out there.

We are living in a day and age when a Buy to Play, no monthly fee, MMO like Guild Wars 2 that does not, I repeat, does not have these sorts of limitations is a massive success. The F2P market offers countless options that have better models than the one EA has put forth for The Old Republic. The model EA-Bioware have chosen for TOR does not compete, it is completely ignorant to the modern MMO market.

If the game goes down burning, at this point, and I am not saying it will, but if it did? It'd deserve at this point. This is not acceptable.

nikki191:

Valanthe:
That's just obnoxious, it's like giving out free candy, but putting it in a locked box and telling people they have to buy the key.

thats what star trek online does haha

That's very true, and to put a point on that, your post just reminded me that I own that game, it's been so long since I even cared about STO that I forgot I owned it.

HAHAHAHA, this is why EA fails. They don't even get free to play right. With free to play you want to make the players experience as awesome as possible so they will stick around, keep your numbers up and community large and active, and attract those few "whales" who spend hundreds, thousands, or in some cases even more on free to play titles.

EA, doing it wrong since 1991.

Hey, how long do you guys think it will take EA to kill Bioware?

Yeah I got XCOM:EU to play right now.

I think I am happy right now.

I've been with this game since Day One so I should have a decent amount of Cartel Coins. Paying to equip purple items isn't new to me - high tiered items in DC Universe Online can only be equipped by having a premium account.

That said, I think they're a little TOO strict with what they're holding back on... but it's really no worse than a lot of other F2P games out there. I'm sure EA wants to make their money back somehow. *shrugs* I'll keep paying; it's not like I'd ever planned to stop.

Mygaffer:
Hey, how long do you guys think it will take EA to kill Bioware?

Some of Bioware's top talent have left. Many of the remaining employees are unhappy. The atmosphere has been crushed up there in Edmonton, and the excitement of making a great game is gone. Deadlines and profit maximization have taken the place of joy and creativity. We all talk about Bioware yet have no idea that it's Bernie fucking Lomax.

Bioware's been dead for awhile now and a couple of assholes (EA) are propping it up and pretending it's alive, and we, the naive public, talk about it as such.

GAunderrated:

Clive Howlitzer:
Somehow the F2P version makes me want to play this game even less. How is that possible!?

Because they don't grasp the concept of F2P. Look at League of Legends. THAT is how you do F2P. All their content is available (new heros weekly) for everyone and it works converting them into paying customers.

Yeah, never agreed with locking content for F2P. All it does is break up the community and give people a poor impression of your game.
Even worse is the F2P games that lock stuff behind subscription anyway, while also using microtransactions.

disgruntledgamer:
Like there is still anyone playing the Old Republic free or not anyway. Anyone who can run ToR might as well jump ship to Guild Wars 2.

Why would you go there? It's just as bad! Pick up World of Tanks or something and at least get good PvP for free. (Assuming your pug doesn't totally blow.)

snekadid:
I read this and just laughed alittle, its so very pathetic. They went free to play to make more people interested in their game and all they did was make it so draconian that no one will bother unless they specifically planned to just run the single player stories<which were the only good part of the game from the start>.

It makes me think of AoC which I was really interested in trying with the intent to pay if the free aspect was any good but they locked out most of the classes and basically made the free version painful to play so they lost my interest and my dollar.

My thoughts exactly.

Bullcrap they're trying to run F2P. They're just trying to lure players in by giving them a larger trial. EA needs to drop BioWare so they can get back to doing more important stuff, like NOT MMOs.

i was super stoked for this game at launch, i preordered the collector's edition for the cool malgus statue and then i played it for a single month

i cant comment on recent patches but the game was technically flawed and riddled with small problems when i played it, such as broken quests, zones that caused the server to crash of too-many people were in them and the client to be kicked to queues randomly, and for no reason

as for the pvp, it was a total joke many people with the best gear in the game got it in 30 seconds by exploiting game mechanics

the operation content was poor, broken, easy and extremely short

in short there was no endgame
a game like that isn't worth playing, even if it's free there are so many more worthy experiences around these days
( even free ones )

the only way i can think of to enjoy starwars is to level one of each class and then log out
it's only redeeming feature is each class's story

Meh, I'll go back as F2P to finish off the classes that had good stories that I didn't get to the first time. Not dropping a dime on the game though.

Got the itch to play again a little early last week. I must say, I forgot how much I enjoyed this game. I don't know what you guys have been seeing, but as far as I've seen in game, TOR has been thriving. Maybe not excelling but it's not on a downward spiral like most people who haven't picked up the game in months have been saying. Honestly, I've never had this much ease finding people to go do heroics and dungeons with in an MMO. That's probably due to the merging servers that took place earlier, but if that is the case then it was a good move on Bioware's part. The more lively a server is, the happier the customer, and it gets up to the hundreds in the Imperial Fleet hub.

I think people started calling TOR's death before it even got through its adolescence. From someone who just got back in the game, I think we can establish that it's pretty damn hard to see from the sidelines, now isn't it?

Anyway, still fun, start the free-trial if you want try it out without any monetary risk.

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