Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child Porn

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Missouri Man Pleads Guilty To Possession of "Cartoon" Child Porn

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Missouri resident, Christian Bee, faces a potential 3-year prison sentence over "incest comics" found on his computer.

On Monday, the US Department of Justice's "Project Safe childhood" initiative revealed that 36-year-old Missouri resident, Christjan Bee, has pleaded guilty to obscenity charges after police found "cartoons" depicting child pornography on his computer. Under the terms of Bee's plea agreement, the government will recommend a sentence of three years in federal prison without the possibility of parole. The sentencing hearing will be scheduled after the United States Probation Office conducts a pre-sentence investigation.

The police discovered Bee's stash of pornographic comics after his wife contacted the Monett Police department and claimed she'd found child pornography on his computer. Police officers promptly obtained a search warrant and confiscated Bee's computer.

Project Safe Childhood was launched in 2006. The initiative aims to "combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse." It also seems to have declared itself an arbiter of artistic merit, adding in its press release that Bee's comics "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

Bee has technically been charged with possession of "obscenity," which under US law includes "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that - (1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and (B) is obscene."

In February of last year, Christopher Handley was sentenced to six months in prison, to be followed by three years of supervised release and five years of probation, after he pleaded guilty to possession of obscenity in the form of "drawings of children being sexually abused."

More recently, Sweden's Supreme Court acquitted manga translator, Simon Lundström, overruling two lower court convictions that deemed his collection of loli-manga constituted child porn.

Source: Ozarks First

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Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

these courts would hate 4chan then

What's that officer you want to see my computer?....give me a second.
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Gotta love Obscenity laws, aka "You're guilty if I don't like it!". It's bullshit.

God damn annoying that people are still suffering from stuff like this.

wtf. seriously. WTF.

ok yes that shit can get pretty bad, but god damn it, it isn't real. Nobody has ever been hurt by a a drawing. god damn people, oh and dude ditch that no good fucking wife of yours cuz she just screwed you. probably so she can go marry the dude she must be doing on the side.

I will never find a right answer to this. I just don't know at all if it's right or wrong.

Is there any evidence that shows people who have fetishes for children hentai will become worse the more they see? Or is this the righteous opiniated going on a witch hunt?

What trips me out is that his wife ratted him out for some racy comic strips.

Either way, this is something I'd love to argue in court. I'd draw a crude image of one stick figure plowing another, then ask people if they think it's funny, or just stupid. Then I'd rant "Well, she's only 16! All you sick fuckers are guilty as sin!".

Because, really, where is the line drawn here?

Can you get in trouble for a parody cartoon of Honey Boo Boo getting railed by a ham sandwich?
What about if Emma Watson did a porno (oh God, please!) where she dressed up as Hermoine? Do you get in trouble for the characters depicted possibly being minors, even if she's well over 18?
Where does public breast feeding fit into all this?

It's beyond stupid. Nuff' said.

So this what we get with "traditional conservative values" a man can't fap in peace in the comfort of his own home.
And why does this feel like another case of : just accuse a man of having child porn, will sort everything out

6th And Silver:

SL33TBL1ND:
Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

I mean, they should've have just thrown him in prison(that certainly doesn't help anyone), but the man was absolutely in need of psychiatric help if he had child porn (animated or not) on his computer.

Considering they're far more likely than not talking about hentai, I really think you're overstepping it by calling the guy a pedophile. Saying it makes you a pedophile is along the lines of equating all games to being willing to commit actual violence.

Or I guess in a more direct sense, if you like bukkake videos it doesn't mean you go around looking for four or more other guys to go jerk off onto some girl.

There's a huge gap between watching porn and having the mindset to actually do what's happening in it.

Now, actual child pornography is indeed wrong because that still involves someone having sex with a child, but we're talking about a simulation that's really far from reality.

GTwander:
What trips me out is that his wife ratted him out for some racy comic strips.

Either way, this is something I'd love to argue in court. I'd draw a crude image of one stick figure plowing another, then ask people if they think it's funny, or just stupid. Then I'd rant "Well, she's only 16! All you sick fuckers are guilty as sin!".

Because, really, where is the line drawn here?

Can you get in trouble for a parody cartoon of Honey Boo Boo getting railed by a ham sandwich?
What about if Emma Watson did a porno (oh God, please!) where she dressed up as Hermoine? Do you get in trouble for the characters depicted possibly being minors, even if she's well over 18?
Where does public breast feeding fit into all this?

It's beyond stupid. Nuff' said.

Pretty much *this* with everything you just said. Let me get this right... drawings. Federal time over a drawing depicting an illegal act. The first thing that popped in my head was a stick figure drawing like the quoted poster mentioned. A stick figure ramming another stick figure with some numbers drawn below them that are <18, could potentially get youe 3 years in Federal Prison and a ruined life?

...

WHAT THE FUCK!? WHAT. THE. FUCK? Look, actual child pornography is detestable, any act involving underage sex, seriously no. That's fucked- but fucking drawings? Really? *sigh* I really don't know what else to say.

6th And Silver:

SL33TBL1ND:
Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

I mean, they shouldn't have have just thrown him in prison(that certainly doesn't help anyone), but the man was absolutely in need of psychiatric help if he had child porn (animated or not) on his computer.

You do have a point. It's just a lot of the time they are not only pedophiles, they can be straight or what ever as well (he has a wife just remember), so they can live a normal life too.

And of course these leads back to my original question in post 8.

Ugh. Obscenity laws. Total bullshit.

Stuff like this is just ridiculous. The worst part is that I always get the feeling that laws like that can be so easily exploited. For example, I still have some macros lying around on my computer from my 4chan days that would probably offend some of my fellow Southerners. None of it's CP, but what if at some point someone on my legislature deemed it "obscene?"

Bam. 5 years in jail. For having a Pedobear gif.

...shit, now I'm all paranoid. Time blow up my computer.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore. For reals.

6th And Silver:

SL33TBL1ND:
Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

You shot people in a game? yeah who cares if your a mass murderer.
Not to mention that japan has successfully been fighting paedophilia by allowing possible molesters take it out to a drawn comics.
not to mention that 99% of cases paedophilia is mislabelled by media.

I will never find a right answer to this. I just don't know at all if it's right or wrong.

Is there any evidence that shows people who have fetishes for children hentai will become worse the more they see? Or is this the righteous opiniated going on a witch hunt?

witchhunt. come on, after so much "games make you violent" comments you are doing exactly the same?
I think the people at the court should be jailed indeterminately for stupidity, because i find it obscene how such a stupid person can be allowed to decide peoples freedom.

So they jail him... for some drawings... 'k....

I think I'll start an expedition to find this thing from legends called "sanity" 'cuz I'm not seeing any in this case.

Strazdas:

6th And Silver:

SL33TBL1ND:
Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

You shot people in a game? yeah who cares if your a mass murderer.

Awesome.
Quote of the day.

Capcha: mumbo jumbo (which side of the argument are you on, capcha?)

Sorry, uh...Double post. Please ignore.

Hang on, his WIFE tattled on him?

While everyone seems to be concentrating on the pornography part, I find this extremely amusing. They must have such a trusting relationship...

Won't someone please think of the fictional children?

Strazdas:

I will never find a right answer to this. I just don't know at all if it's right or wrong.

Is there any evidence that shows people who have fetishes for children hentai will become worse the more they see? Or is this the righteous opiniated going on a witch hunt?

witchhunt. come on, after so much "games make you violent" comments you are doing exactly the same?
I think the people at the court should be jailed indeterminately for stupidity, because i find it obscene how such a stupid person can be allowed to decide peoples freedom.

I'm not doing exactly the same you assumption making turkey. I'm just wondering if there is any evidence of it causing problems or not, because I've heard a judge say something very similar. It sounds like bull shit to me but I don't want to be one of those who say so called 'facts' when I have none.

I can see how you could relate these accusations, but porn and violence are two different subjects to me.

6th And Silver:

SL33TBL1ND:
Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

I mean, they shouldn't have just thrown him in prison(that certainly doesn't help anyone), but the man was absolutely in need of psychiatric help if he had child porn (animated or not) on his computer.

Says you, obviously an officer of the thought police.

You know, in most of our history, many of who we call children today were marriage material (after puberty). That means that your ancestors were probably pedophiles.

6th And Silver:

SL33TBL1ND:
Obscenity charges are absolute bullshit. Let the man fap to whatever drawn shit he wants.

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

I mean, they shouldn't have just thrown him in prison(that certainly doesn't help anyone), but the man was absolutely in need of psychiatric help if he had child porn (animated or not) on his computer.

It is not illegal to be a paedophile, it is illegal to abuse minors. In any case, if you spend any time on the internet, you should know by now that not everyone who looks at loli is also an actual paedophile (i.e. interested in real children in any way).

Man, a TRIPLE post. That's pretty weird. Please ignore!

Oh, those poor animated non - sentient children, being exploited for this man's pleasure must be horrible. You know, it seems like it never ends. I always have to put up with this bull shit about 'freedom' while simultaneously seeing people thrown in jail for the horrible crime of fapping to something that can't think nor feel. Seriously, if anyone considers this 'obscene' then they aren't anything but overgrown children that need to grow up and stop being self - righteous whiney twits. Furthermore, if we're going to start taking our stupid pills and assume that looking at fictional children is 'obscene' then maybe we should ban all porn - given that it's technically voyeurism.

Oh wait a minute, silly me. That law would be fucking stupid and a complete ammendment to 'leaving the government out of the bedroom.' If you give government the power to arrest you for fapping at imaginary children, you also give them the power to arrest people over other bizarre shit. And trust me, I've seen fucking worse than that. But you know what, I think more than anything else this goes to show where the law has its priorities. Legalizing gay marriage? Nah, that's fucking stupid. We can just hold that off for thirty years. Catching corrupt businesses that steal thousands (if not millions) of dollars? Nah, not a problem. Just give them a few months. Man looks at cartoon porn? Well, shit. We need to get to that right away!

This man had been humiliated, so even if he doesn't get thrown in jail for three years he still had to go through a bunch of stupid drama and bull shit. If there truly is any justice, then I think the people responsible for this moronic witch hunt should at the very least have their laptops thoroughly searched for all kinds of porn that they look at. Trust me, I think we'd see some . . . interesting things.

6th And Silver:

Cybylt:

Considering they're far more likely than not talking about hentai, I really think you're overstepping it by calling the guy a pedophile. Saying it makes you a pedophile is along the lines of equating all games to being willing to commit actual violence.

Or I guess in a more direct sense, if you like bukkake videos it doesn't mean you go around looking for four or more other guys to go jerk off onto some girl.

There's a huge gap between watching porn and having the mindset to actually do what's happening in it.

Now, actual child pornography is indeed wrong because that still involves someone having sex with a child, but we're talking about a simulation that's really far from reality.

If we're comparing things to videogames, I would say that a more apt analogy would be to a mentally ill person playing violent videogames, not your average, mentally healthy gamer. Because if he had child porn on his computer, that means he was sexually attracted to children. This goes beyond a weird fetish, it means that there is something very seriously, objectively wrong with him, and it would be best for everyone, including himself, he is "cured"...I'm not exactly sure how effective therapy is with this stuff, but it's better then just letting him be.

I think we should find out how effective therapy is before dragging these people away. I mean, what the hell can they do to help them? And how will it effect their life including if they can enjoy straight porn as well?

Letting him be would be better than punishing him if he has never done any harm before, don't you think? Or do you think it will get worse?

Nazulu:
I can see how you could relate these accusations, but porn and violence are two different subjects to me.

Uh huh... ever heard of 'hardcore' porn? It's fairly popular.

~and there is no evidence, just assumptions posed by focus groups and supposed "Specialists". Opinions hold a lot of weight in court.

Why is "cartoon" in quotes? Were they cartoons?

Evil Smurf:
these courts would hate 4chan then

Which is sorta ironic in and of itself.

6th And Silver:

Yeah, who cares if he's a pedophile?

Is he fiddling with kids?

No?

Is he watching content that involved the abuse or use of minors?

No?

Then really, who should care? There's no evidence he's going to act on these urges even if he's clinically a pedophile (and there's a good chance he isn't).

Sorry, wrong thread. I guess the Escapist is just being weird today.

(Mods...Please be gentle.)

Zachary Amaranth:
*snip*

Just read the rest of the thread. I've responded to this exact argument 5 times. And counting.

Total bullshit. Let him fap to whatever cartoons he wants. If he didn't have any actual child porn, forget it. He might need psychiatric help but he shouldn't be sentenced to prison time.

Nazulu:

I'm not doing exactly the same you assumption making turkey. I'm just wondering if there is any evidence of it causing problems or not, because I've heard a judge say something very similar.

There's no actual correlation that's been documented nor is there any demonstrated tendency towards "progression."

6th And Silver:

Zachary Amaranth:
*snip*

Just read the rest of the thread. I've responded to this exact argument 5 times. And counting.

It was rhetorical. It seems this needs to be repeated for your benefit.

GTwander:

Nazulu:
I can see how you could relate these accusations, but porn and violence are two different subjects to me.

Uh huh... ever heard of 'hardcore' porn? It's fairly popular.

~and there is no evidence, just assumptions posed by focus groups and supposed "Specialists". Opinions hold a lot of weight in court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_pornography - Not the same as shooting and stabbing people.

As for the lack of evidence, are fucking kidding me? Are people being thrown in jail with no evidence of any harm? That's more obscene than 'obscenity'.

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