EMP Missile Is No Longer Science-Fiction

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I very much approve of this. It is incredibly cool tech, and I actually think it could save a lot of lives in future warfare on both sides... so long as they don't start firing them at Hospitals to take out people's life-support and whatnot, and stick to targets of actual military significance.

cerebus23:

thespyisdead:
now all the US has to do is create an imaginary money making machine...

...oh wait...

Well the world can help us out by removing our IMF status that would stop that printing press overnight and our government would be bankrupt.

Maybe we can get back to a currency actually based on something real like the gold standard or platinum.

And limit money in circulation to approximately $1,000,000,000,000? No thanks. We have a GDP that is currently at 15 times that.

I told people that these were only a few years away. "why protect against EMP, it sounds like science fiction anyway". Well whose bunker is EMP resistant? Not me because I do not have one yet, I swear. I do not have one.

But now I look less crazy, Yaaa.

Sean951:

cerebus23:

thespyisdead:
now all the US has to do is create an imaginary money making machine...

...oh wait...

Well the world can help us out by removing our IMF status that would stop that printing press overnight and our government would be bankrupt.

Maybe we can get back to a currency actually based on something real like the gold standard or platinum.

And limit money in circulation to approximately $1,000,000,000,000? No thanks. We have a GDP that is currently at 15 times that.

Sadly you are correct. Unless we strongly deflate the dollar, but that will not happen.

So basically, it causes almost all the social devastation of a nuclear device without actually killing anyone or, more importantly, giving the people who deploy it the moral stigma of murdering buttloads of people. Hooray! Now if we can just keep this from getting into the hands of any country run by socially backwards people who fear change or technology of any kind...shit.

Put magnetic shielding onto your hard drives, people! They're coming for your porn!

Teddy Roosevelt:
Technically, development of non-nuclear EMP munitions has been going on for a long time. This technology is still most certainly not ready to be fielded, despite ongoing research by both the United States and Russia.

Aside form that, I hardly see that this would actually be super cost-effective. If the EMP warhead uses high explosives to generate a shockwave (high-explosive propelled flux compression generator), or any other non-nuclear method, then the blast radius of the pulse will probably be less than superb. At that point, would it not just be easier to use a proper explosive warhead to destroy anything in the kill zone?

This. EMP weapons tech has been doable forever. It's not even very difficult, you can build a small one from off-the-shelf parts for $500 US, minus explosives. And nuclear EMP has been possible since the first ballistic missiles.

The area of effect theoretically greatly exceeds the initial pulse zone, however - inductive currents generated in local infrastructure (power lines, phone lines, even metallic pipe) can propagate the EM wave for miles, usually directly into the equipment it's meant to damage.

Hate to burst the bubble but the Taliban don't use electronics (outside of cars, and if you took out a few blocks worth of cars in the Middle East I imagine you'd get a lot of pissed off people who just had their lives ruined for lack of transportation), nor do other countries really use drones at all, but hey YOU HAVE AN EMP YOU CAN TOTALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH!

I suppose it'd work against anything except helicopters in disabling but not killing the occupants (assuming they didn't crash into something very shortly).

Awesome for preventing casualties

Scary for potential abuse and misuse. The music and movie industries already use anti-terrorsim departments to circumvent the legal system, so the next Megaupload doesn't even have to be raided, they could just get into the airspace above the servers.

Nice hype. Too bad anything worth hitting with this will be sufficiently hardened.

rvdm88:
Gotta love that rear computer barfing out a still spinning cd after the blast hits...
Though i am wondering, is this just a "stun" or does it actually wreck all electronic equipment caught in the blast?

If I remember correctly, an EMP blast destroys pretty much anything with a circuit board. Scary stuff really. Also nifty for the military though since you would need a nuke to generate such a pulse. EMPs really do scare me though. If I remember correctly, a single nuclear weapon detonated in the upper atmosphere could generate a pulse large enough to cover the Continental United States.

omicron1:
Question is, are Faraday cages going to become the next hot item in near-future warfare?

All in all, though, this is cool. Should've been kept a secret, though, until its first use. Surprise is a powerful weapon, too.

Yah that.. wouldnt militaries get cages and this just turns into another expensive tool for counter-terrorism or civilian control?

rvdm88:
Gotta love that rear computer barfing out a still spinning cd after the blast hits...
Though i am wondering, is this just a "stun" or does it actually wreck all electronic equipment caught in the blast?

An EMP operates by disrupting a circuit; When a radio recieves a radio wave, all that radio wave is doing is altering the amount of eletricty in running through te radio

The Crests (or peaks of wave) is high eletricty; the troughs (or valleys of wave) is low eletricty

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What an EMP does is it does the same thing except the peaks are very high and the troughs are very low; thus making any circuit have High levels of energy then low levels of energy. KEY: this fluctuates very quickly

this quick fluctuation of High-Low energy literally burns out the circuit (which is why you usually see sparks from electronics in an EMP) and computers are very sensitive to this thing because it takes very little to burn an microchip

"Today we turned science fiction into science fact," Coleman continued.
Fuck you.

DVS BSTrD:
Let's hope we manage to stay Onatopp of this technology.

Saulkar:
I will be Trevelyan to the next country over if you do not mind.

I fucking love you guys... Such humour is the Bond we share.

Mr.Tea:

DVS BSTrD:
Let's hope we manage to stay Onatopp of this technology.

Saulkar:
I will be Trevelyan to the next country over if you do not mind.

I fucking love you guys... Such humour is the Bond we share.

Now, now! I will not point a Goldfinger at whomever originated this chain of puns however I will let you No that I will not tolerate your contributions and will M it here.

Saulkar:

Mr.Tea:

DVS BSTrD:
Let's hope we manage to stay Onatopp of this technology.

Saulkar:
I will be Trevelyan to the next country over if you do not mind.

I fucking love you guys... Such humour is the Bond we share.

Now, now! I will not point a Goldfinger at whomever originated this chain of puns however I will let you No that I will not tolerate your contributions and will M it here.

You lot are on a Thunderball. Where do I Q to add a pun to the chain? This seems like an opportunity to Live and Let Die for.

I have to ask, how is this news? Like, it is interesting that they found a conventional way to acheive this effect, but since, like, the early 1980s at the latest, EMP has been a thing. You can generate nation-wide, even continent-wide with a nuclear airburst at a super-high altitude, and it is one of the more basic "initial moves" in a theorized nuclear conflict of any sort.

Obviously EMP still has a place in conventional warfare, and I suppose the ability to use less ordanace to wipe out enemy information processing centres while keeping the infrastructure intact is a useful capability.

I'm just saying, the ability to mess with computers and electronic equipment via bombs? Not news.

Burninator:
I have to ask, how is this news? Like, it is interesting that they found a conventional way to acheive this effect, but since, like, the early 1980s at the latest, EMP has been a thing. You can generate nation-wide, even continent-wide with a nuclear airburst at a super-high altitude, and it is one of the more basic "initial moves" in a theorized nuclear conflict of any sort.

Obviously EMP still has a place in conventional warfare, and I suppose the ability to use less ordanace to wipe out enemy information processing centres while keeping the infrastructure intact is a useful capability.

I'm just saying, the ability to mess with computers and electronic equipment via bombs? Not news.

It's the ability to do it via missile without nuking the planet. That's why it's news.

Nurb:
Awesome for preventing casualties

Scary for potential abuse and misuse. The music and movie industries already use anti-terrorsim departments to circumvent the legal system, so the next Megaupload doesn't even have to be raided, they could just get into the airspace above the servers.

That was my initial thought as well. As electronic communications becomes a bigger & bigger part of political dissent & organized protest across the world, it's not a stretch to think it'll soon be used on civilians by their own government.

So it took out the camera recording it too eh? How exactly did we just watch video of the computers going black then? Also why did the one on the bottom right come back on for a second?

COME AT US NOW, SKYNET!!

The problem is this...

US uses EMP weapon against some shitty third world country. 50,000 computers go down along with some refrigerators. Most people go on as normal because most people have little reliance on things electrical.

3rd World Terrorists get a hold of it and use it against the US. EVERYTHING GOES DOWN. EVERYONE DIES.

It's as though they are manufacturing their own undoing. Great job guyz.

DTWolfwood:
So it took out the camera recording it too eh? How exactly did we just watch video of the computers going black then? Also why did the one on the bottom right come back on for a second?

ooooh....well spotted. Perhaps EMPs don't work against digital cameras. Ahaha.

This is going to get hit the with the US's "Confiscate a patent any technology associated with it" (actually allowed and accounted for the in Constitution) and a massive gag order/threat of assassination real quick.

Shit like this can't be let loose....and the Boeing guy made a huge mistake announcing it.

DVS BSTrD:

Saulkar:

DVS BSTrD:
Let's hope we manage to stay Onatopp of this technology.

I will be Trevelyan to the next country over if you do not mind.

Looks like this is going to lead to some trevelyations for the rest of the world.

The army has a nick nac for coming up with the coolest new weapons. I hope this does'nt blofeld away the competition. Maybe its just a SPECTRE, a show of force.

Greg Tito:

"Today we turned science fiction into science fact," Coleman continued.

Here's a whacky idea, how about instead of spending bajillions of dollars to bring all the killiest and most war-tacular elements of sci-fi to life, we put a bit of that cash into, I don't know; robot servants? Cures for aging? Jetpacks?

You know, the stuff that sci-fi generally presents as being the positive and desirable outcome of science, typically while(fruitlessly, apparently) trying to warn us off building bigger and more ludicrous ways to fuck each other over?

EMP's, while cool, are really over rated because modern militaries EMP harden all their equipment to make sure it still functions in an EMP attack. The offensive technology is behind the defensive counter measures.

Tiger Sora:
Interesting they've been able to construct a mobile powered system to deliver an EMP blast. I wonder if it's intercept-able by missile. Or would once the incoming missile enter the blast range would have it's systems shorted out.

I guess this makes the Graphite Bomb obsolete.

I guess foreign countries will need to instal EMP shielding to their most important assets and such.

Most tanks and other vehicles are already hardened against EMP.

erttheking:
I have to admit...this is actually pretty fucking scary.

not really, couple kilowatt radio rx could be completely stopped by a Faraday cage around the walls, and or some metal casings around the pc's

if you're personally concerned go and grab some lead based paint and coat your house in it
then lay steel or copper mesh under your wallpaper and ground it to your house grounding point guarantee that will block 90% of all incoming radio energy and stop you getting a signal with your phone
the price of paranoia is high i suppose :P

if i were some terrorist organisation, i'd be buying lots of car batteries and ripping the lead plates out of my old ones and bolting them to pc cases, sam sites, whatever
lead roof cladding and bismuth ( magnetic, resonance damping material )
mixed together is probably the best defense for buildings
both are easy to get if you look in the right places

ridiculously easy to block, it's a non-issue for any serious organisation
what it will do however is make all airplane designs prior to this point totally obsolete and or require upgrades if it could kill a fighter jet cpu even for a couple seconds it falls out of the sky which is useful, you could deploy it from a fighter drone to make it reuseable but still not world changing as the British fleet has boats that will do the same thing with standard boring old missiles

DTWolfwood:
So it took out the camera recording it too eh? How exactly did we just watch video of the computers going black then? Also why did the one on the bottom right come back on for a second?

A few options, lead shielding is probably involved, the camera may well have been film using a film stock not sensitive to the EMPs wavelength rather than an easy to burn out digital camera.

With resources you can do a lot to make a device EMP resistant especially if you know what's coming at you. You tend not to end up with a particularly mobile but its possible, simple devices tend to be easier. The more complex or delicate the electronics involved the bulkier the protection has to be.

Anyway a film camera with a shielded motor and analogue control for said motor seems the logical choice here.

There are clearly cameras available designed to do this in the US military from the nuclear test days, unless they scrapped them all and their plans.

omicron1:

All in all, though, this is cool. Should've been kept a secret, though, until its first use. Surprise is a powerful weapon, too.

What??? Actually keep military secrets and be able to deploy new weapons with plausible deniability? This is 'Merica, if we don't flash our shit to the world every five seconds, they might forget we have it!

Captcha: Toodle-Oo

Have you been drinking again, Captcha?

The_Darkness:
Woah woah woah. I may be over-reacting here but: how strong are these "high power microwaves"? Because if this is an EMP weapon that also makes a human look like a chicago town pizza (or some other, less exagerrated health risk) then we can't exactly refer to it as non-lethal, can we?

Well the thing is that what we think of as "microwaves" like the kind that can boil water and kill us from the inside is actually ONE very specific frequency of microwave radiation that has certain properties that excite water molecules. Microwave radiation itself is actually a huge range of electromagnetic radiation, and most of is passes right through us (and is passing right through you right now) without doing any damage whatsoever. So yeah. We're probably safe. Unless we suddenly start growing a third arm. Which could happen. I guess.

omicron1:
Question is, are Faraday cages going to become the next hot item in near-future warfare?

All in all, though, this is cool. Should've been kept a secret, though, until its first use. Surprise is a powerful weapon, too.

My exact thoughts, I feel like this would be easy to protect against. Frankly I kinda wish my house already was enclosed in a faraday cage (build it into the walls lilke a boss). Just imagine a solar flare wipes out all the electronics in your neighborhood, sure you can't turn shit on because power is gone but at least once it IS fixed you are in like flint.

rapidoud:
Hate to burst the bubble but the Taliban don't use electronics (outside of cars, and if you took out a few blocks worth of cars in the Middle East I imagine you'd get a lot of pissed off people who just had their lives ruined for lack of transportation), nor do other countries really use drones at all, but hey YOU HAVE AN EMP YOU CAN TOTALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH!

Actually, Russia and China both have technology for unmanned aircraft. They are not as widely used because they have not been as developed in those countries as in the US. On top of that, Iran has old drones from the Chinese and Russians, as well as a handful of their own.

In addition, most of NATO has access to drone technology, Israel has been using drones for at least short range recon since the 1980's, and Iraq had some unmanned drones during the invasion in the Second Gulf War, though they were not combat aircraft and were instead old drones used as training targets for pilots, and decoys to get US and other coalition aircraft to open fire and reveal themselves for Iraqi anti-aircraft batteries or the odd fighter pilot.

Most importantly, though, why focus on drones? Radios have been in military use since World War One. No one is going to deny that radio communications make or break combat engagements. EMP can be used to knock out communications and command-and-control centers, making the concept useful in a conventional war.

Oh, what? There will never be another conventional war? Will we never fight China? I suppose people were also correct around the turn of last century when the popular supposition was that the major powers of Europe were so economically and politically intertwined that a hot war was impossible.

Make no mistake, new conventional weapons are always useful.

Leemaster777:

Teddy Roosevelt:
Technically, development of non-nuclear EMP munitions has been going on for a long time. This technology is still most certainly not ready to be fielded, despite ongoing research by both the United States and Russia.

Aside form that, I hardly see that this would actually be super cost-effective. If the EMP warhead uses high explosives to generate a shockwave (high-explosive propelled flux compression generator), or any other non-nuclear method, then the blast radius of the pulse will probably be less than superb. At that point, would it not just be easier to use a proper explosive warhead to destroy anything in the kill zone?

Perhaps, if the goal of the mission is to destroy anything in the kill zone. But that's exactly the point of this EMP missile, it's to knock out electronics WITHOUT causing collateral damage. If they ever needed to knock out the communications of an enemy within a densely-populated area, you can't just go and bomb everything.

After posting that, I did have that very thought. For the purposes of capturing equipment, one might want to use EMP. However, couldn't you also capture tanks knocked out by things other than EMP? Either that or take abandoned tanks or other such equipment.

Aside from the fact that main battle tanks, and many other armored fighting vehicles, are protected against radiation so EMP shouldn't be that effective, you need to think about cost effectiveness. Would EMP not be redundant in most applications? An EMP warhead is certainly not cheap, so it should be best justified by a role that can't be played by other weapons.

Quaxar:

Greg Tito:
"Today we turned science fiction into science fact," Coleman continued.

For a moment there I thought they had made Gary Coleman their official PR speaker, hitting two birds with one stone and declaring their EMP can not only destroy electrics but also reanimate the dead.
Zombie Coleman away!

WAIT GARY COLEMAN IS DEAD?

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