Nintendo Confuses Shoppers with Two New Wii Bundles

Nintendo Confuses Shoppers with Two New Wii Bundles

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Retailers are about to be hit with an onslaught of Wiis in a range of colors.

With the Wii U on the horizon, you'd think Nintendo would be spending all its resources to make it an appealing purchase for the millions of people who already own the Wii. But strangely, it seems like the 6-year-old console is getting the lion's share of the attention, at least as far as holiday deals go. Case in point: Nintendo is launching a pair of new Wii bundles - with Just Dance 4 and Skylanders Giants - on November 4th.

For $129.99, the Just Dance 4 bundle comes with a white Wii console, a copy of the game, and a Wii Remote Plus with Nunchuk controller. If that doesn't tickle your fancy, you can throw down a bit more cash for the Skylanders Giants bundle that comes with a blue console, Wii Remote Plus with Nunchuk, two Skylanders characters, and an exclusive Giant Skylander figure, for $149.99.

Now, including hot new games in console bundles has always been a good way to add value to both new and aging consoles, but am I the only one that thinks there will be some awfully confused gift-givers this year? Parents and grandparents who may not be very familiar with the difference between the Wii and Wii U could very well end up with the wrong console in their shopping carts.

Nintendo just introduced a new Wii Sports bundle earlier this month, complete with a black Wii and both Wii Sports titles. Assuming big box retailers will be offering all three - along with whatever current Wii stock they have - that's a lot of consoles on the shelf. I guess shoppers will just have to rely on the always knowledgable store associates to make sure they snag the right gift.

Source: GamesIndustry

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If your Wii is blue you should see a doctor.

If your Wii is black, you'll never go back.

DVS BSTrD:
If your Wii is blue you should see a doctor.

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Parents and Grandparents will DEFINITELY get confused by the Wiis and the Wii-Us unless they have one of those obsessive grand/kids who say EXACTLY what they want once every five minutes (like my 10 year old brother for example).

I am opposed to the concept of Skylanders (wanna beat the game? Go boy our DLC. It's OK though because you get this Happy Meal toy and now A BIG ONE) but I'm intrigued by the prospects of a blue Wii...I don't have a Wii to myself and would really like a personal one if only to finish my...half-dozen or so Wii games without worrying about the rightful Wii owners kicking in my door and demanding back their Wii.

It is part of their master plan. Parents will walk into the store and say, "Do you have any of those new Wiis in stock?" trying to get a WiiU. BUt New Wii could easily mean the blue one.

orangeapples:
It is part of their master plan. Parents will walk into the store and say, "Do you have any of those new Wiis in stock?" trying to get a WiiU. BUt New Wii could easily mean the blue one.

but that is a terrible plan, right up there with making nightcrawler pope and deliberately infecting your own city with a deadly disease.

The only time I ever got exactly what I asked for on Christmas morning was when I wrote down the exact name, the SKU, and the suggested retail price.

No one's really going to be confused unless they don't know what they're buying the the first place. This isn't the 80's where your parents never touched a video game in their life.

It's really the best and only option they have. Pre Orders of the Wii U are beating Nintendos Projections, but they will still have an Inventory of Wii's that need to be sold. So they're doing what they always have done. Drop the price or bundle it with a game that will move units. There are still plenty of people who didn't have the money to invest in the Wii just as their were still plenty of people who hadn't bought a PS2 when the PS3 launched.

The only mistake they did was they probably should have done this last year to keep Wii sales up after the Wii U announcement, but given the chaos last year that can be overlooked.

medv4380:
No one's really going to be confused unless they don't know what they're buying the the first place. This isn't the 80's where your parents never touched a video game in their life.

It's really the best and only option they have. Pre Orders of the Wii U are beating Nintendos Projections, but they will still have an Inventory of Wii's that need to be sold. So they're doing what they always have done. Drop the price or bundle it with a game that will move units. There are still plenty of people who didn't have the money to invest in the Wii just as their were still plenty of people who hadn't bought a PS2 when the PS3 launched.

The only mistake they did was they probably should have done this last year to keep Wii sales up after the Wii U announcement, but given the chaos last year that can be overlooked.

You're right. My parents were actually born in the 60s and, like most adults, have not escaped the mindset of their formative years. So I guess I'm proportionately more screwed.

Most parents remain ignorant about video games. My Dad doesn't call everything I game on a Nintendo anymore, but he couldn't tell you which console belonged to which generation if his life depended on it. Nintendo is making a bad move here. They're not marketing the Wii U at all - no one is hyped about it. It's going to be a 3DS situation, where no one knows about it, no one talks about it, no one buys it.

Erm... didn't Sony do the same thing with the PS2 when the PS3 came out? I'm pretty sure I saw plenty of SingStar PS2 bundles going for cheap well after the PS3 came out. In fact, I'm almost certain that the PS1 was still getting bundles after the PS2 came out.

It makes sense. If you've got a bunch of old consoles sitting round taking up warehouse space, you may as well try and flog them off for what you can.

I'm not exactly sure who's going to be confused here. Most gamers are going to know what the Wii U is, and won't confuse it with the Wii anytime soon. Maybe some parents will be a bit confused, but what the heck is new there? I still remember asking for an iPod for Christmas, and getting a paltry 8GB iPod Nano. Not that I'm ungrateful or anything, but that thing had buggerall space for music...

Now when the writer says "Nintendo Confuses Shoppers", he means "Nintendo confuses ME", right? Because there's absolutely no reason this should be confusing to shoppers. Sounds like another deliberately misleading article title, and I'm not particularly sure why you'd bother misleading people about this, either. It's not like this is big news. Nintendo said they will keep supporting the Wii (and these new package deals would seem to support that), and despite a downturn in sales they are still making money off of it. Of course they intend to keep pushing a product that still makes them money.

The only way that a potential customer would be confused between the Wii U bundle packages (which are both over 200 bucks) and these Wii packages (which are both under 150) is if they were completely uneducated about the product they were trying to buy, and didn't bother looking at the box before they bought it. The name is similar but the product appearance and price tag most certainly are not similar. I know there are lots of idiots out there but I'm inclined to think that even stupid people can recognize the difference between the product that's been on shelves for 6+ years (the one that even most non-gamers recognize when you talk about it), and the "new tablet thing" that isn't even in stores yet.

So yeah....this is almost a non-story. Yet you're actually taking time to spin the article title to make it sound like millions of people are going to mistake a blue or black Wii on sale for $125 with the brand new Wii U selling at twice the price. Why? This is like claiming that people would confuse a 6-year old iPod model with the most up to date one....the only sort of person who would do that is the same sort of person they're not selling it to. >_>

I'm not sure if this is a bad idea.

I mean, when did the Wii come out? Most of those things now are over 5 years old, way past warranty and probably a good few have been given away by the people that originally owned them (probably to nephews and such), or have been sold or broken.
With the launch of the WiiU, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people remembered their old Wii again and since it's either given away, broken, or old, dusty and that weird kind of beige colour, I can easily see that people want to give it another go and buy a new one, and wth that the Wii will get some good sales in again. So its doing a piggyback ride on it's younger brother in order to get people to walk down memory lane and remember some good old times, and get a load more money from them.
Because as we all know the games that come with the new consoles aren't that great and companies make the most money by selling extra games with it.

medv4380:
No one's really going to be confused unless they don't know what they're buying the the first place. This isn't the 80's where your parents never touched a video game in their life.

No this is 2012 where parents know that it's made by Nintendo, and their kid will not stop asking for it. doesn't mean that they know which games go with it, and there might sill be quite a few children that get the wii-U exclusive title, or Wii-U version of a cross platform, but still get a Wii.

TimeCruiserMike:
The only time I ever got exactly what I asked for on Christmas morning was when I wrote down the exact name, the SKU, and the suggested retail price.

WTF you gave your parents the SKU you could have just given them a clipping from the ad (blacking out the other side), and when they asked what you wanted hand them the stack.

Off Topic: Captcha "which one of these does not belong:"
Bill Clinton, George Bush, Ronald Regan, George Bush, Head of Cabbage, Barrok Oboma
OMG Head of cabbage has gone republican, and most people outside of the US are going "why is the George guy on there twice?"

CriticKitten:
Now when the writer says "Nintendo Confuses Shoppers", he means "Nintendo confuses ME", right? Because there's absolutely no reason this should be confusing to shoppers. Sounds like another deliberately misleading article title, and I'm not particularly sure why you'd bother misleading people about this, either. It's not like this is big news. Nintendo said they will keep supporting the Wii (and these new package deals would seem to support that), and despite a downturn in sales they are still making money off of it. Of course they intend to keep pushing a product that still makes them money.

The only way that a potential customer would be confused between the Wii U bundle packages (which are both over 200 bucks) and these Wii packages (which are both under 150) is if they were completely uneducated about the product they were trying to buy, and didn't bother looking at the box before they bought it. The name is similar but the product appearance and price tag most certainly are not similar. I know there are lots of idiots out there but I'm inclined to think that even stupid people can recognize the difference between the product that's been on shelves for 6+ years (the one that even most non-gamers recognize when you talk about it), and the "new tablet thing" that isn't even in stores yet.

So yeah....this is almost a non-story. Yet you're actually taking time to spin the article title to make it sound like millions of people are going to mistake a blue or black Wii on sale for $125 with the brand new Wii U selling at twice the price. Why? This is like claiming that people would confuse a 6-year old iPod model with the most up to date one....the only sort of person who would do that is the same sort of person they're not selling it to. >_>

you know you technically invalidate your own point in your own paragraph, and that is why Apple refuses to sell older models of Ipod. in fact on those upgrade deals. the reason why they can do this is that the store gets reimbursed by sending in the old one to be "refurbished" and in many cases dismantled, so that no one could get confused on which one was which. and they actually would confuse the majority of people who would be shopping. because you need to realize that for the most part it is still only a small percentage of people who know in depth about the gaming industry. the majority of people if they even play games will only know that a game is coming out because they saw the name on the wall at gamestop on the coming soon board, of saw a tv commercial for it.

gardian06:
you know you technically invalidate your own point in your own paragraph, and that is why Apple refuses to sell older models of Ipod. in fact on those upgrade deals. the reason why they can do this is that the store gets reimbursed by sending in the old one to be "refurbished" and in many cases dismantled, so that no one could get confused on which one was which.

Er, what are you smoking? Apple still sells several of its older iPod models on its own website and in literally every other electronics retail store in the world, everything from the classic model to Nano to Touch. The same is true of older models of their iPads (you can still buy a classic iPad instead of an iPad 2), their phones (everything from iPhone 4 to the present day is still sold on their website), and every other product they sell.

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about on this subject.

and they actually would confuse the majority of people who would be shopping. because you need to realize that for the most part it is still only a small percentage of people who know in depth about the gaming industry. the majority of people if they even play games will only know that a game is coming out because they saw the name on the wall at gamestop on the coming soon board, of saw a tv commercial for it.

You don't see very many people confusing the iPod with the iPad despite one letter difference, now do you? Why? Because yes, people are stupid, but not THAT stupid. The only people who actually do this are the people that the product isn't marketed to, in other words, people who are unlikely to buy it in the first place.

And it's the responsibility of customers to educate themselves on what it is they're buying. You're suggesting that it's entirely possible for this scenario to take place:
1) A person could go into a store seeking a product they know nothing about (and never thought to educate themselves on)
2) The person asks for that product by name and is handed the wrong product, yet is incapable of telling that it's not what they wanted despite the box showing a picture of the product and clearly stating the product's name.
3) This also presumes the store clerk is equally stupid and can't tell the difference between the products they sell, which would get them fired once it was discovered they spent the better part of an afternoon selling the Wii U at a 50% discount to all their customers.
4) The customer buys the product with no questions asked and leaves the store, taking it home and only AFTER it it unpacked does he/she realize that they bought something totally different.

Can it happen? Yes, absolutely. But how often do you really expect this to happen? I'd bet my bottom dollar it's not happening very damn often. Again, while there are many stupid people in the world, it seems unlikely that someone educated on gaming in general is going to buy a Wii U for double the sticker price without so much as looking at the box, get home, open it up, and go "heeeeeey, I wanted that other thingie with the dick-shaped wand!".

And if by some miracle they did happen, whose fault is it really? The customer, for not educating himself on the product or at the very least reading the damn box before throwing money at the cashier. Seriously, it will say "Wii U" on the box and it shows a picture a product that looks more like an iPad than a standard Wii. How do you mix that up short of not paying attention?

The Wii has sold almost 100 million units and has been on the shelves for over six years, combined with growing attention being paid to the industry in general. It's fairly safe to say that there are a lot of people who know what a Wii is, and it seems unlikely that any of those folks at least would confuse it with another console that has double the price tag and presumably a different box with different visuals and the name clearly printed on it.

As for poor old grandpa having trouble telling the difference? I'm pretty sure gramps is smart enough to read the box before he buys something.

CriticKitten:

gardian06:
you know you technically invalidate your own point in your own paragraph, and that is why Apple refuses to sell older models of Ipod. in fact on those upgrade deals. the reason why they can do this is that the store gets reimbursed by sending in the old one to be "refurbished" and in many cases dismantled, so that no one could get confused on which one was which.

Er, what are you smoking? Apple still sells several of its older iPod models on its own website and in literally every other electronics retail store in the world, everything from the classic model to Nano to Touch. The same is true of older models of their iPads (you can still buy a classic iPad instead of an iPad 2), their phones (everything from iPhone 4 to the present day is still sold on their website), and every other product they sell.

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about on this subject.

and they actually would confuse the majority of people who would be shopping. because you need to realize that for the most part it is still only a small percentage of people who know in depth about the gaming industry. the majority of people if they even play games will only know that a game is coming out because they saw the name on the wall at gamestop on the coming soon board, of saw a tv commercial for it.

You don't see very many people confusing the iPod with the iPad despite one letter difference, now do you? Why? Because yes, people are stupid, but not THAT stupid. The only people who actually do this are the people that the product isn't marketed to, in other words, people who are unlikely to buy it in the first place.

And it's the responsibility of customers to educate themselves on what it is they're buying. You're suggesting that it's entirely possible for this scenario to take place:
1) A person could go into a store seeking a product they know nothing about (and never thought to educate themselves on)
2) The person asks for that product by name and is handed the wrong product, yet is incapable of telling that it's not what they wanted despite the box showing a picture of the product and clearly stating the product's name.
3) This also presumes the store clerk is equally stupid and can't tell the difference between the products they sell, which would get them fired.
4) The customer buys the product with no questions asked and leaves the store, taking it home and only AFTER it it unpacked does he/she realize that they bought something totally different.

Do you know how implausible that is? Can it happen? Yes, absolutely. But how often? I'd bet my bottom dollar not very damn often. Again, while there are many stupid people in the world, it seems unlikely that someone educated on gaming in general is going to buy a Wii U for double the sticker price without so much as looking at the box, get home, open it up, and go "heeeeeey, I wanted that other thingie with the dick-shaped wand!".

And if by some miracle they did happen, whose fault is it really? The customer, for not educating himself on the product or at the very least reading the damn box before throwing money at the cashier.

The Wii has sold almost 100 million units and has been on the shelves for over six years, combined with growing attention being paid to the industry in general. It's fairly safe to say that there are a lot of people who know what a Wii is, and it seems unlikely that any of those folks at least would confuse it with another console that has double the price tag and presumably a different box with different visuals and the name clearly printed on it.

As for poor old grandpa having trouble telling the difference? I'm pretty sure gramps is smart enough to read the box before he buys something.

one generation back of one type does not mean that they keep them, and sell them. not to mention that no where did I see the word "refurbished". in fact I have worked at these electronic retailers and point blank the reason that they can offer the trade-in credit for the older version of the devices is because Apple kicks that same amount back to them if they are shipped back, and then they still make a profit because of cost vs MSRP. the only reason that stores don't send them back is if they think they can make more from reselling it then the trade in credit refund, and I have actually been unable to find an older (even one version older save the IPad, or the IPhone from a cell carrier) of an Idevice because they don't have the same market value.

and your little story you missed part
0)"Mom, Dad I want a Wii, I want a Wii, I want a Wii, I want a Wii...."
"what's a Wii"
"it's this game console. I really want the Black one, but the white one is ok"
"well see dear. maybe for Christmas" (after child leaves room)
"Honey do you know what a Wii is?"
"I think I have seen them at the store. they aren't that expensive either"

then your statement of "This also presumes the store clerk is equally stupid and can't tell the difference between the products they sell, which would get them fired." you are jumping to the conclusion that the customer has educated themselves and isn't in a rush to buy the other stuff on a list (if it exists) and the clerk would only get in trouble for this is a complaint was filed with the manager (by the customer who probably wouldn't even be able to remember which of the potentially 10 people working the department was helping them if any), and if the customer only ever asks "where are the Wii game consoles" thinking that the U is like some special accessory which has been projected a few times.

not to mention the final part of your story you just described at least 1 in 4 Christmas morning in the US, and on how much people are going to "educate" themselves on what they are purchasing especially if they have no interest in it besides to make their child happy and stop bugging them about it. I can understand that it is still the customers responsibility to know what they are buying, but shouldn't the company realize that the majority of people who are buying their products "not the person it is intended for" shouldn't be presented with something that looks similar to, and is named similar to the thing you want them to buy. it's kind of like why they are not selling the gamepads (besides not having games that support extra ones) so that costumers who are buying it for their children don't go "Hey this says Wii it even has the U on it like Timmy says every so often, and its cheaper, so maybe its just a special one on sale."

you keep implying, and your argument only receives any kind of merit that people will educate themselves, and that would only happen: if the thing they are buying is for themselves. where the target market of these consoles is children somewhere between 8-25 (where the Wii had an additional target of 40-60), and only the upper end of that range would even have the capability to purchase it outright on their own meaning that the majority of purchases of it would result from the parents of the remainder of the range buying it for their children. and so they have no need to educate themselves before purchase because they have no intention of using it.

and your next statement which will probably include something to the point of "they are still responsible to educate themselves on any purchase they make even if they are buying it for someone else" only has merit if there is a personal want to educate themselves, or they foresee that they will need said knowledge in the first place which is not only a chicken and egg dilemma it's also a "there are different versions" which when I was working retail was one of the most common questions I got especially when it came to the IPad, and Windows OS.

I agree probably not the best time to bring out another Wii package deal. The WiiU should take precedence

gardian06:
one generation back of one type does not mean that they keep them, and sell them. not to mention that no where did I see the word "refurbished". in fact I have worked at these electronic retailers and point blank the reason that they can offer the trade-in credit for the older version of the devices is because Apple kicks that same amount back to them if they are shipped back, and then they still make a profit because of cost vs MSRP. the only reason that stores don't send them back is if they think they can make more from reselling it then the trade in credit refund, and I have actually been unable to find an older (even one version older save the IPad, or the IPhone from a cell carrier) of an Idevice because they don't have the same market value.

So I'm guessing you didn't click that link, because if you had, you'd realize you can buy several of the older models (the ones still immediately supported by Apple) on their website. And any number of electronics stores still sell them as well.

Also in regards to the "one gen back" thing, Apple is still selling iPhone 4, despite that technically being 2 generations back at this point (4 was first, then 4S, now 5). iPod's classic model is, by this date, several years and generations old, though its specs have been updated accordingly. The original iPad is still sold in stores, too, despite there now being at least two other models out since its launch (iPad Mini and iPad 2).

And this neglects to mention that many electronics stores will still keep the older products in stock because newer customers are typically more willing to buy a cheaper, older model to get the feel of it than to drop several hundred dollars on a new one. I suspect the original iPad will still be in stores by the time iPad 3 is out. Will you start claiming that "two gens back doesn't count" once we get to that point?

Simply put, you are wrong on this point. You can twist and squirm all you like, talking about how "one generation back doesn't count", but you are still wrong. You said, and I quote, "Apple refuses to sell older models of Ipod", and I have conclusively proven that this is a false statement using Apple's own website as proof. Just admit it and move on.

and your little story you missed part
0)"Mom, Dad I want a Wii, I want a Wii, I want a Wii, I want a Wii...."
"what's a Wii"
"it's this game console. I really want the Black one, but the white one is ok"
"well see dear. maybe for Christmas" (after child leaves room)
"Honey do you know what a Wii is?"
"I think I have seen them at the store. they aren't that expensive either"

So exactly what I said then: a customer who doesn't bother to educate themselves on the product they're buying.

My parents didn't buy me something unless I could state clearly what it was. And if I couldn't do that, we'd go to the store and I would point the product out to them directly. Why? Because they didn't want to spend money on something I didn't want. And they knew they didn't know anything about technology (I had to program their VCRs for them) so they let me show them what I wanted.

It's really not hard to take the kid to the store, or to pull up the product on a website, point to it and ask them "that thing, right?". Sorry, it's not Nintendo's fault if you're a lazy parent.

then your statement of "This also presumes the store clerk is equally stupid and can't tell the difference between the products they sell, which would get them fired." you are jumping to the conclusion that the customer has educated themselves and isn't in a rush to buy the other stuff on a list (if it exists) and the clerk would only get in trouble for this is a complaint was filed with the manager (by the customer who probably wouldn't even be able to remember which of the potentially 10 people working the department was helping them if any), and if the customer only ever asks "where are the Wii game consoles" thinking that the U is like some special accessory which has been projected a few times.

Which is, again, the customer's own fault. How are you not getting this? It's not in any way the company's fault if a customer is too stupid not to educate themselves on what they're buying, period. That's why so many legalities and warnings are put on the labels of everything we buy nowadays: because it protects the company from any liability if you were too stupid to read the label before buying/using their product.

not to mention the final part of your story you just described at least 1 in 4 Christmas morning in the US, and on how much people are going to "educate" themselves on what they are purchasing especially if they have no interest in it besides to make their child happy and stop bugging them about it.

So you're excusing lazy parenting and blaming Nintendo for it? And you see nothing wrong with that?

Don't think there's much more to discuss, then. If you honestly believe it's somehow Nintendo's fault that a parent is too lazy to figure out what it is they're buying before they slam their money on the counter, then I don't think there's any value in this discussion any longer.

I can understand that it is still the customers responsibility to know what they are buying, but shouldn't the company realize that the majority of people who are buying their products "not the person it is intended for" shouldn't be presented with something that looks similar to, and is named similar to the thing you want them to buy. it's kind of like why they are not selling the gamepads (besides not having games that support extra ones) so that costumers who are buying it for their children don't go "Hey this says Wii it even has the U on it like Timmy says every so often, and its cheaper, so maybe its just a special one on sale."

Odd, Apple doesn't have issues with it, and a lot of their products are very very similarly named as pointed out above. It's almost like, if you read the label on the box, you're know whether or not you're buying the right product....or something. Woah, far out man.

Also minor note: They will be selling the Gamepad separately, actually. They'll have to, since the console supports up to two Gamepads, and future titles may end up utilizing them for multi-player functionality, according to Nintendo.

you keep implying, and your argument only receives any kind of merit that people will educate themselves, and that would only happen: if the thing they are buying is for themselves.

Bzzzt. Wrong. If you're buying something with your money, regardless of who it's for, it's YOUR job to educate yourself on what you're spending your money on. Period. "I'm buying it for my kid" is not an excuse for spending your money without thinking. There are no valid excuses for that behavior.

The only fitting reply to this is a commonplace phrase: "A fool and his money are soon parted." A wise customer knows what he's buying before he buys it, only a fool buys without thinking.

where the target market of these consoles is children somewhere between 8-25 (where the Wii had an additional target of 40-60), and only the upper end of that range would even have the capability to purchase it outright on their own meaning that the majority of purchases of it would result from the parents of the remainder of the range buying it for their children. and so they have no need to educate themselves before purchase because they have no intention of using it.

Bzzzt. Wrong. Again, if you are spending YOUR money, it's YOUR responsibility to know what you're spending it on. It's no one else's fault if you don't. Stop making excuses for lazy parenting.

and your next statement which will probably include something to the point of "they are still responsible to educate themselves on any purchase they make even if they are buying it for someone else" only has merit if there is a personal want to educate themselves

Bzzzt. WRONG. I'm noticing a theme here: you continue to make excuses for someone who, by your own description:

* is too lazy to ask their child what they want
* is too lazy to look at the label of a product they're buying for their child
* is too lazy to educate themselves on the product they're buying for their child before they buy it

In other words, they're a lazy parent. No, sorry, that isn't Nintendo's fault. That is THEIR fault.

or they foresee that they will need said knowledge in the first place which is not only a chicken and egg dilemma

....what?

it's also a "there are different versions" which when I was working retail was one of the most common questions I got especially when it came to the IPad, and Windows OS.

You realize you just dismissed your entire argument in one fell swoop with this statement, right?

For within this statement is the key: "one of the most common questions". QUESTIONS, yes. As in, when you don't know about a product, YOU ASK QUESTIONS.

A customer who asks questions because they're confused about a product is demonstrating a willingness to educate themselves on the product so they can determine which one they want to spend their money on. That is the sort of person who will, more often than not, leave the store with the item they want. And most people, while stupid in matters of gaming, are still smart enough to ask the sales clerks for information so they can make an informed purchasing decision. It's extremely unlikely that such an individual will end up mistakenly buying one of these blue Wii package deals.

The sort of customer you have been describing is a lazy parent who will just grab a product off the shelf without thinking and slam their money down on the counter....and that isn't Nintendo's fault, no matter how badly you want to claim that it is.

Nintendo's only job is to provide the product to the consumer with clear labeling so there is no confusion about what the box contains. Everything else is the customer's responsibility. If you keep going with this nonsensical argument that it's somehow Nintendo's fault that parents are too lazy to read the box or ask questions about the product they're about to spend over a hundred dollars on, then I think there's nothing of value left to discuss here. Because you and I both know that if that's really your core argument, you have no leg to stand on.

For the record, CriticKitten (love the name, btw), you've now written over 1,800 words in this comment section trying to convince everyone that I should never have written my article.

My article was 284 words.

Carry on.

<3,

Mike

MikeWehner:
For the record, CriticKitten (love the name, btw), you've now written over 1,800 words in this comment section trying to convince everyone that I should never have written my article.

My article was 284 words.

Carry on.

<3,

Mike

You should never have written your article, or rather, you should have avoided artificial drama in writing it.

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18 Words.

Branovices:

MikeWehner:
For the record, CriticKitten (love the name, btw), you've now written over 1,800 words in this comment section trying to convince everyone that I should never have written my article.

My article was 284 words.

Carry on.

<3,

Mike

You should never have written your article, or rather, you should have avoided artificial drama in writing it.

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18 Words.

Pretty much this. Misleading and completely unnecessary.

7 words

CriticKitten:
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(sigh) fine I'm done trying to explain how people don't always use logic when they purchase things against an rationalist, but just as a note. if your going to be "yelling" at someone over not reading the link you sent them correctly at least be clear yourself on what that link contains: Ipod shuffle(2GB), Ipod nano(16GB), Ipod Touch gen5 (32/64GB), Ipod Touch gen4 (16/32GB), and Ipod Classic (160GB) these are all current models, and even after going to each ones page none of them have any indication of older referebed models. the only older item mentioned is the Touch gen4.

IamShmgeggy:

Branovices:

MikeWehner:
For the record, CriticKitten (love the name, btw), you've now written over 1,800 words in this comment section trying to convince everyone that I should never have written my article.

My article was 284 words.

Carry on.

<3,

Mike

You should never have written your article, or rather, you should have avoided artificial drama in writing it.

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18 Words.

Pretty much this. Misleading and completely unnecessary.

7 words

rationally speaking bad article

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Oh, joy. I get to be one of those "always knowledgeable" retail clerks who has to unravel customer confusion. Well, at least the Wii Bundles will likely sell (I foolishly pooh-poohed Skylanders last year) unlike those Karaoke machines that've sitting in the back for the last ten months.

Makes sense actually. The Wii U is obviously going to be sold out so you might as well give your costumers something to hold them by till you can restock.

When I saw stores selling a Wii Sports bundle...again...after who knows how many years, *I* was confused.

Anyway, it's not such a bad idea. They're trying to get rid of all the Wii consoles they can before it's officially a last gen. console. However, there will be some confusing and disgruntled customers out there.

I can easily imagine little Jimmy pleading for a new WiiU console. Mommy and Daddy head over to the local GameStop to get one but they soon realize it's been sold out even before its release. They think about this for a while. Little Jimmy must have his gift! He's been such a good boy. and gaming seems to be his thing. Well, if he can't have the WiiU, let's give him the Wii, the couple says. He can get the WiiU later when it's cheaper, they add. Besides, it's basically the same thing. And they have Mario games too! Little Jimmy loves those!

I'm not saying parents are dumb. I'm saying parents don't see gaming like we do (Unless they're gaming parents themselves). To them, getting CoD: World at War for 10 bucks is a better deal than getting Blops 2 for 60. They see it as being essentially the same thing but cheaper. And they're kinda right.

From a personal experience, I've seen it at work all the time. Desperate parents just wanna go home with a videogame-related gift so they settle. I have a feeling Nintendo knows this too and that's why we now have all these Wii bundles.

TimeCruiserMike:
The only time I ever got exactly what I asked for on Christmas morning was when I wrote down the exact name, the SKU, and the suggested retail price.

This, exactly this. again, it's not that parents are dumb or lazy, it's just that they don't see the difference between similar items like we do. It's like when you wanna buy your mom that pretty sweater she saw the other day but the store doesn't have it anymore so you buy her something similar. She might like and you certainly did with good intentions but that's not what she wanted. And it's true; in my case, if I asked for Megaman 5, I'd get Megaman 2, if I asked for Final Fantasy 9, I'd get The Legend of Dragoon, if I asked for a Game Boy, I'd get a Fun Boi. Once, I asked for Mario Kart and I got The Jungle Book. By the time I was a teenager, my parents had just given up so every time I asked for a videogame, I'd get clothes.

I still do, up until today. I'm an adult now but still...

TL,DR: Parents aren't lazy or retarded. They just don't want to:
1. Ruin the element of surprise and Santa Claus and stuff. Even today, my parents hate to just tell me to pick my gift. And again, I'm an adult.
2. They don't wanna spend much, not because little Jimmy doesn't deserve it but because spending a lot of money is never ok with parents
3. They don't appreciate the difference between a WiiU and a Wii. To them, they look kinda the same, they do kinda the same so they must be kinda equally good. And if a Wii is their only choice, they'll take it.
4. They do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Yeah, I'm justifying their...whatever with this.

MikeWehner:
For the record, CriticKitten (love the name, btw), you've now written over 1,800 words in this comment section trying to convince everyone that I should never have written my article.

My article was 284 words.

Carry on.

<3,

Mike

I don't know why people are being so hostile towards you. It is odd that they are pushing the old Wii so hard and diverting attention from the new product, maybe they have lots left and want rid of them? And yes I can see the point that there may be confusion for some people at Christmas as gaming products look unique to gamers but not general consumers, especially older people. If I sent my mother to get me something from gamestop without express written instructions it would be a total disaster. Personally when the Wii U comes out and the old Wii is dirt chep I am going to get one and all the mario games and some j-rpg's and get old school.

18 words.

7 words.

4 words.

See, THIS is the kind of efficiency in poo-poo-ing I can appreciate.

Here's the deal: If you think the majority of parents even KNOW that the Wii U exists, we are going to disagree right from the start. Does the public at large have a better handle on what the Wii is than most consoles before it? Sure, but they only learned about it AFTER it became the hottest gift for the holidays. The Wii U doesn't have that luxury, and by carrying the same name with one single letter added on I don't think it's helping non-gamer parents and relatives distinguish between the two.

I'm not accusing Nintendo of INTENTIONALLY confusing buyers, because that doesn't benefit them in the least. I'm simply acknowledging that you could go to a Wal-Mart and potentially have 4 or 5 different Wii bundles on the shelf, compared to one Wii U option. If a kid gets the wrong console, is it the parent's fault? Maybe. Is it the kids' fault for not being certain their parents have a handle on the situation? Again, maybe. But either way, Nintendo isn't helping the situation at all.

It's my feeling that Nintendo is probably banking on the Wii U being sold out at most stores, and they want to make sure there's plenty of hardware on the shelf to fill in the space. That's fine, and that makes sense from a business standpoint, but if the Wii U does in fact sell out at any given store, you now have a white, black, blue, and (if the store still has any NSMBW bundles left, like some local stores near me) a red Wii bundle on the shelf. If I'm a parent who might have bought a Wii 6 years ago and it's been in my kids' room since then, what are the chances I'm going to know exactly what is going on when I walk into a store with a christmas list that has "Wii U" scribbled at the top -- especially if the Wii U isn't on the shelf? You can argue who or what is at fault until you're blue in the face, I'm simply acknowledging that the situation exists.

I think this is a good discussion to have, but remember who we're talking about here. When I'm at a big box store looking at movies, I *still* get grabbed by parents in the games section who start their plea for help by saying "You're young, you probably know about this stuff..." And I do, and I help them when this happens, but what if someone like me isn't around? It probably doesn't end well.

This would not be a problem if Nintendo had come up with, y'know, a decent name for their new console. Something that made a bit more sense than "Wii" and doesn't sound like an ambulance approaching?

Not sure Nintendo needs to push the WiiU anymore, Amazon.co.uk seems to have decided that they have far more premium pre-orders than they will get allocations for the forseeable future. I doubt that any stores will have issues shifting WiiU stocks quickly till well after christmas if then.

This is a cynical move by nintendo who clearly are trying to shift more cheap consoles, knowing that their production lines arnt capable of meeting wiiU demand especially as they will make a loss on the early ones. Sony have done this before not sure i recall there being a similar stunt with the 1st xbox.

Brainst0rm:

medv4380:
No one's really going to be confused unless they don't know what they're buying the the first place. This isn't the 80's where your parents never touched a video game in their life.

It's really the best and only option they have. Pre Orders of the Wii U are beating Nintendos Projections, but they will still have an Inventory of Wii's that need to be sold. So they're doing what they always have done. Drop the price or bundle it with a game that will move units. There are still plenty of people who didn't have the money to invest in the Wii just as their were still plenty of people who hadn't bought a PS2 when the PS3 launched.

The only mistake they did was they probably should have done this last year to keep Wii sales up after the Wii U announcement, but given the chaos last year that can be overlooked.

You're right. My parents were actually born in the 60s and, like most adults, have not escaped the mindset of their formative years. So I guess I'm proportionately more screwed.

Most parents remain ignorant about video games. My Dad doesn't call everything I game on a Nintendo anymore, but he couldn't tell you which console belonged to which generation if his life depended on it. Nintendo is making a bad move here. They're not marketing the Wii U at all - no one is hyped about it. It's going to be a 3DS situation, where no one knows about it, no one talks about it, no one buys it.

LoL
So you haven't caught onto the game then. They are mostly playing dumb to mess with you, and most kids don't understand how money works till they get a job and live on their own so pretending to not know what the kid is talking about works well in getting something that you can afford instead of what the kid wants. As a side note my father is from the 50's and could probably rattle off the major consoles of each generation easily, and as a grandpa he's probably still going to play dumb for his grand daughter.

medv4380:

Brainst0rm:

medv4380:
No one's really going to be confused unless they don't know what they're buying the the first place. This isn't the 80's where your parents never touched a video game in their life.

It's really the best and only option they have. Pre Orders of the Wii U are beating Nintendos Projections, but they will still have an Inventory of Wii's that need to be sold. So they're doing what they always have done. Drop the price or bundle it with a game that will move units. There are still plenty of people who didn't have the money to invest in the Wii just as their were still plenty of people who hadn't bought a PS2 when the PS3 launched.

The only mistake they did was they probably should have done this last year to keep Wii sales up after the Wii U announcement, but given the chaos last year that can be overlooked.

You're right. My parents were actually born in the 60s and, like most adults, have not escaped the mindset of their formative years. So I guess I'm proportionately more screwed.

Most parents remain ignorant about video games. My Dad doesn't call everything I game on a Nintendo anymore, but he couldn't tell you which console belonged to which generation if his life depended on it. Nintendo is making a bad move here. They're not marketing the Wii U at all - no one is hyped about it. It's going to be a 3DS situation, where no one knows about it, no one talks about it, no one buys it.

LoL
So you haven't caught onto the game then. They are mostly playing dumb to mess with you, and most kids don't understand how money works till they get a job and live on their own so pretending to not know what the kid is talking about works well in getting something that you can afford instead of what the kid wants. As a side note my father is from the 50's and could probably rattle off the major consoles of each generation easily, and as a grandpa he's probably still going to play dumb for his grand daughter.

I don't think we should be questioning my Dad's capacity for ignorance here. Trust me. It's formidable. All I'm saying is that relying on *any* group to have basic knowledge of something is a crapshoot, and with the Wii U having little buzz outside the gamer community and (as far as I've seen) zero marketing, I just don't see this working out on anything near the scale Nintendo is hoping for.

Brainst0rm:
I don't think we should be questioning my Dad's capacity for ignorance here. Trust me. It's formidable. All I'm saying is that relying on *any* group to have basic knowledge of something is a crapshoot, and with the Wii U having little buzz outside the gamer community and (as far as I've seen) zero marketing, I just don't see this working out on anything near the scale Nintendo is hoping for.

You think they have to do much advertising before the Black Friday Ads? At this point the Pre-Orders have guaranteed shortages and exceeded Nintendo's expectations so advertising really isn't needed until the Holiday Sales Ads start in the US, and for the UK the first ad hit a few days ago. I'd be more concerned if pre-orders weren't hitting the projections since those are an early indicator for demand. The E-Bay markup should be interesting to watch.

 

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