Cliffy B Offers to Help Capcom Fix Resident Evil

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erttheking:
Oh wow, the Escapist really has a lot of pent up hatred.

You en't seen nothin' yet. Just see what happens every time anyone even mentions the word "Bioware". It's like the malignant tumour that was Zeel has returned in spirit form to haunt us once more.

chill poeple,he was probably just joking and worked on a lot more than gow(where his original idea did not include the stupid beefcakes, he just proceeded to sell the hell out of it).

unless you are one of the people who loved unreal games on the pc and kept epic in business only to be told we don't matter.

oh and i totally want him as a producer on a self-parody resi 7

The Cliffy B hate is reaching Reddit levels of circle jerk,lets tone it down a bit.

This just in: gamers can't take a joke... scientists theorize it may be the inevitable consequence of being snarky 24/7... story at 11.

Aside from noting this is blown out of proportion for a Twitter joke, there isn't much to say here... ugh... I like Unreal 3.

erttheking:
Oh wow, the Escapist really has a lot of pent up hatred.

Along with 'we're not in Kansas anymore' that might be one of the biggest understatements ever.

Funny, so Resident Evil has always been a bastion of bad writing and acting
And Gears of War even more so.
So if they join forces they could make the worst written game ever!

At least Capcom's approach to bad writing is make everything ridiculously awful so the finished product is laughable, while Epic Game's methodology is closer to "Let's make everyone unlikeable personality deficient meat heads and not have a single interesting thing happen ever."

I prefer Capcom thanks.

Sheo_Dagana:

chadachada123:
I seriously hope you're joking or just didn't read the description xPixelatedx gave.

Dead Space fulfills most of the requirements on that list, excluding the aesthetics and size. I've always described it as "Resident Evil 4 in space." Yes, it's a bit more cramped, but it's a lot closer to that style of game than RE5 or RE6.

I understand if you disagree, but that was my interpretation of that contradictory description. You can't give a game the same atmosphere as the RE remake but make it bigger than RE4, because the feel of the REmake is tense because of the small, trapped-in location of the Mansion, especially if you want to make the maps complex. The bigger something is, the less complex it is likely to be, based on most of the games I've played.

But of course, everyone has a different idea of what makes for great horror. The reason I found the atmosphere to be tense in the REmake may not be the same for you.

I do disagree, but you gave a reasonable explanation for your feelings that make a fair amount of sense.

You're right that my definition of what makes for a good horror experience is different than yours, because while I love RE4, I just don't love anything about Dead Space and find them to be wholly different experiences. After reading your post, though, I can now see how others would find the two experiences alike.

The biggest thing, for me, that creates tension is ammo scarcity and a feeling of helplessness, which simply isn't an issue in Dead Space where you're expected to kill every monster you find. Contrast this with pre-RE4 Resident Evil games where you are expected to have at least several enemies that you must evade rather than fight. In that respect, you're right that RE4 is similar to Dead Space.

However, most fans of RE4 that I've met (and especially the ones that hate RE5/6) would love to see a game with an RE4-style setting but with an emphasis on zombies and a low availability of weapons/ammo. A game where running away is just as viable of an option as standing your ground.

Sheo_Dagana:

Someone else already made that game, it's called Dead Space.

Lol, not even close. I don't see how anyone can compare any of the layout, aesthetics or gameplay of the first RE games to Deadspace. Deadspace is just as different from the core RE series as Mario is.

That's the problem with fans - something you want to see in a game might not be what another fan wants.

Except the remake and 4 are the two most highly praised RE games by the majority of fans and critics alike. I am pretty sure they both offer what the fans want. A smart business man would see the connection there and that data alone should give them enough of a reason to make more games like that. It's unrealistic to think you can take a piece of CoD's pie.

chadachada123:
Yes, because we need MORE player characters with biceps the size of watermelons and MORE cover-based shooting with no horror to speak of. Yep.

As if there was even a difference between RE5/most of RE6 and Gears of War to begin with. Just take a look at these steroid-abusing meatheads:

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Ninja'd! I was going to say that if you gave Chris Red a Lancer you'd already be halfway there. The difference is that there is actually a coherent story behind Marcus.
GoW is already the best game at pulling off GoW style cover based shooting. However I don't think it's a magic bullet that other games should try and crowbar in to their repertoire, because if you don't nail it it just comes off as stodgy.

Was the number one feedback Capcom got was "You should have stuck with Leon's Campaign"? Because that segment was mostly an actual evolution of the franchise.

Wow I can't believe so many people are taking this seriously....

He was being witty since RE6 was trying to be like gears with the game mechanics

Man, people are freaking out over a joke aren't they? Anyways, if Cliffy B WERE to work on Resident Evil, I honestly don't think it'd be too bad. Resident Evil is already obviously moving into the third-person action game genre, and like the Gears series or not, it's a genre that Cliff knows well. Regardless, you people act like because he made Gears of War that he'll just make RE full of steriod-pumping meatheads. He may bring something new to the table to make the series unique again. Look at Joss Whedon and the Avengers, Joss has had little to no experience directing a movie as big as Avengers, and he pulled it off really well. Sometimes it's good to get someone who doesn't work on that specific type of genre, game, etc. to bring something new to the table. And judging how well RE6 was received, bringing in something new may just be what the series needs.

Sorry guys, it may pain you to admit it, but the last couple RE games have been so bad, and so unfocused (I'm including side-games like Operation Raccoon City), that he could indeed make them better.

He makes games that are well focused, well crafted, and know what they are (you are free to hate /what/ they are!), and RE lost that a long, long time ago.

For instance, the comments about plot, horror, and psychological drama... did you guys even play RE6? It's a hot mess. It doesn't have any of that. They took separate four scenarios with different playstyles, did some setpieces for each, then concocted some handwavey later to try to glue it all together. It's a wildly unfocused action shooter. Even the monsters aren't scary any more.

And how does the plan to do that? By giving Chris Redfield and absurdly overcompensatory chainsaw gun?

Everyone in this thread completely missed the joke/irony, in that Gears of War was at least partially inspired by Resident Evil 4.

oldtaku:
Sorry guys, it may pain you to admit it, but the last couple RE games have been so bad, and so unfocused (I'm including side-games like Operation Raccoon City), that he could indeed make them better.

RE:ORC was developed by Slant Six, not Capcom.

BBboy20:
Was the number one feedback Capcom got was "You should have stuck with Leon's Campaign"? Because that segment was mostly an actual evolution of the franchise.

Ada's was much more classic Resident Evil, but I doubt most people have seen/played that story.

Well, since Resident Evil is more of a comedy series rather than a horror series in my book, I say let him join! It can't get much worse can it?
Think about it; Gears of War is unintentionally hilarious, and so is Resident Evil. If the powers were to combine...
Gold. We get gold.

I frankly want to give Cliffy a chance. When Cliffy left Epic, Jim Rossingol put this up in the comments section:

Jim Rossingol:
There's going to be a lot of pointless bile in this thread, clearly. And hey, I am not a fan of the Gears Of War games either. But to dismiss the contribution that Bleszinski made with the first three UT games would be foolish. And I say that as a Quake III guy.

I've met Cliff on a number of occasions, and he speaks articulately and enthusiastically about games, and about PC games.

Back when I reviewed UT2004 he sat and talked to with me about a bunch of game ideas he had that Epic would never likely do, and they were a world away from Gears Of War, or any other shooter. I'm going to be interested to see what he does next.

Cliffy clearly has a lot more in him than GoW. Epic was just limiting him - hell, the beefcakes of Gow weren't even his idea. Lately he's been speaking a lot about how he would like to make more open and systemic games as opposed to scripted shooters. I'm looking forward to what he does next.

Wonder what he would do to fix it

erttheking:
Oh wow, the Escapist really has a lot of pent up hatred.

yeah.....the same joke 50 times in a row...honestly

Kopikatsu:

oldtaku:
Sorry guys, it may pain you to admit it, but the last couple RE games have been so bad, and so unfocused (I'm including side-games like Operation Raccoon City), that he could indeed make them better.

RE:ORC was developed by Slant Six, not Capcom.

I know that. And it doesn't matter. It's still Capcom's franchise. They gave it to Slant Six and let it produce that mess and then said 'Sure, this is good enough, let's sell it.'

I dunno, I thought that scene in the first GoW where the redshirt gets smashed by a Beserker was kinda scary.

*collapses into a chair*

I just sensed a great disturbance in the forums.

It was as though a thousand voices cried out in butt-hurt, and were suddenly mocked.

Hey if he can actually put in a cover system that works for the next Resident Evil instead of the retarded one that is in 6, I am all for it, and hey at least it won't be worse than Leon's Campaign.

AzrealMaximillion:
People on the forum already taking this too seriously. The most his name will be on Resi 7 will be a special thanks.

That. I wonder why everyone hates him so much? I mean Gears of War was awesome, if one doesn't like the style than just don't play it, but fact is it was a great trilogy that did bring innovation to shooting, it was the first game to do cover-based shooting right. If THOUSANDS of games did a copy & paste at it and mostly failed miserably, if others attempted (some succeeded) to implement the cover element from Gears into their game, all this, it can't make Gears generic, and it's not their fault if everyone else is lacking imagination, Cliff and his people made it FIRST. It's like hating Doom and Wolfenstein for their generic first-person shooting, blame the copycats...

RE has been in a downward spiral for a while, and the transition from a survival horror to an action-packed game with anime-like sequences was to be expected. And obviously it pissed not only hardcore fans but MOST fans. Gears of War fans wouldn't like the next game be a survival horror, that's not what the series is all about.

Cliff's "joke" is pretty harmless, there're no ethic being broken in my opinion, EVERYONE is pissed about RE6 looking like GEARS OF WAR, thus, if he was the one behind the conception of Gears "if you wanna do a good game in the genre call me". Looks like EA will be calling him for Dead Space 3 as well lol

Nimzabaat:

Nihlus2:
Oh yes, because Gears of War is so well known for its psychological development, deep characters, subtlety and atmosphere.

Dom is better characterized than any Resident Evil character. Play the GoW series in order and you'll see that it's true.

Dom was a great character, so was Marcus, both had great development but... There's one major flaw to every single Gears character (let me quench any hatred already, I love Gears of War, like A LOT). the major flaw is that the story relayed through the main medium (the game) was indeed shallow and did not give us enough space to understand or even have feelings for the characters, only when you READ the books, you'd feel the depth of the story (still simplist, but at least it's deeper) and the HUGE complexity of the characters, Baird for instance is almost unlikable in the game, but after you read his passages in the books you understand his actions in the games. The flaw being that one shouldn't go for books, movies, animes, whatever, to get such information, but that's my opinion. I just feel the main media, whatever it is, should tell the whole story, the other media should act as accessories to go deeper into what you already know, or simply tell untold stories...

Resident Evil characters have a sort of persona I can't identify with, I usually laugh at their "emotional distresses", but that's simply because, as much as I LOVE Japan and Japanese culture (I really want to visit Japan asap, and Russia), I will NEVER be Japanese, I will ALWAYS be a tourist, a fan of their culture, but I can read and understand the culture, but I'll never be part of it. In short, I MUST admit, the RE characters seem ridiculous to me, but I do believe that is more out of cultural strangeness than anything else; and I readily accept that the Japanese audience would feel the same way about the Gears characters.

FallenMessiah88:
It was clearly a joke. No need to get so up in arms about it.

Personally, I enjoyed the Gears Of War series. I didn't enjoy GOW3 quite as much as the others, but regardless it was still a very well polished game. I honestly don't get all the hate.

Just like I don't get all the "lolololololololololol!!! U mad bro?!" comments from some users. It just makes you look like you're more interested in poking fun at RE fans than in the discussion itself.

Thing is, the people all up in arms about Cliff's joke aren't RE fans. They're just here to hate Cliff, like this was an EA article or something.

Seriously you can tell that they've never played RE6 or RE5 for that matter because they keep saying "lololol what next Cliff? chest high walls? burly roided men?, cover mechanics?" All of which are present in RE6. And hell, Chris Redfeild has been just as much of an over muscled meathead since RE5. We're not poking fun at RE fans. We're poking fun at people who can't take a joke and who seem to take any chance to announce to the world that they hate Gears of War.

It must help them sleep better at night.

canadamus_prime:
And how does the plan to do that? By giving Chris Redfield and absurdly overcompensatory chainsaw gun?

May as well, they've already got the cover mechanics and the steroid look down.

Milanezi:

I wonder why everyone hates him so much?

People don't hate him for Gears of War. They hate him because he's a complete jackass. He is the world's oldest 12 year old. He constantly insults fans and is seen as one of the driving forces behind Epic's abandonment of the PC platform. He throws a public tantrum about bad review scores. He got mad at PC gamers about Gears of War sales on the PC... which released 1 year after the xbox version with stiff competition (some from Epic Games itself).

He's also fantastically hypocritical. After Epic pretty much entirely abandoned the PC due to piracy, Cliffy B. stated this year that all indies should focus on the PC instead of any other platform.

This is a small sampling of the things he's said and done. I could go on for hours with the amount of word-vomit that has come out of his mouth.

AC10:

Milanezi:

I wonder why everyone hates him so much?

People don't hate him for Gears of War. They hate him because he's a complete jackass. He is the world's oldest 12 year old. He constantly insults fans and is seen as one of the driving forces behind Epic's abandonment of the PC platform. He throws a public tantrum about bad review scores. He got mad at PC gamers about Gears of War sales on the PC... which released 1 year after the xbox version with stiff competition (some from Epic Games itself).

He's also fantastically hypocritical. After Epic pretty much entirely abandoned the PC due to piracy, Cliffy B. stated this year that all indies should focus on the PC instead of any other platform.

This is a small sampling of the things he's said and done. I could go on for hours with the amount of word-vomit that has come out of his mouth.

Granted, I didn't follow his career, he only showed on my radar with the release of Gears of War. Well, thanks for the info, but still, there's no reason to get angry with the man over a joke (that actually made sense), ya know. Imo there's not much sense in getting pissed over any entertainment media unless you work with it, anger and entertainment doesn't walk hand-to-hand as far as I'm concerned.

Sylveria:

McMullen:
Let me guess...

Resi 7 will forget what color is, will have hyper-masculine male characters with hyper-masculine idiot lines, and will be even more poorly written?

Cliffy B isn't in a position to talk about fixing things, he's better at breaking them. Maybe that's the joke.

There is a certain irony that RE6 sucks because its trying so hard to emulate Gears of War.. and the guy who made Gears of War thinks he can fix it. I'm scared to think what his definition of "Fix" is.

I'm not sure. We might be pleasantly surprised, actually. I do remember Blezinski admitting that the Gears franchise hasn't come out quite as he'd wanted, in terms of tone. He never really wanted to end up with fridges with arms and heads trying and failing at expressing pathos, with the whole "big guy" aesthetic being the product of late design decisions for the first game.

Maybe he could surprise us. Maybe he actually does understand what makes Resi what it is, and just hasn't had the chance to implement or demonstrate it with either Gears or Unreal. Personally, I'm hoping for a return to a more claustrophobic atmosphere, less of a focus on the big explosion-fests, and a storyline that's maybe less ambitious, but a lot more focused.

Ambition is usually what kills any project, when it's not adequately handled.

wouldn't getting a gears designer involved just make things worse? it would probably be better just to let this comment slide and forget about it.

It's kind of ironic considering his series which ended up leading to the rise of the generic third-person cover based shooter was probably a decently large factor of what ended up killing RE to start with.

Also, fuck off Cliffy. You're not the person to help with this. At all.

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