Russia Begins Censoring Websites

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Karoshi:
I have no doubt that, that it will be abused in minor ways. Shutting the websites of the opposition though? Doubt it. They can hardly accuse them of having porn or suicide tips on their sites.

Putin and Co. are accustomed to subtle manipulation and generally use backhanded ways to get what they want. They aren't stupid enough to bludgeon their way through Internet.

I don't think he will go after the main opposition party's website on Day 1. However, bribery is a major source of income for Russian government officials, and extorting blog writers, small newspapers and other websites that are affiliated with the opposition, but are not so important as to draw major backlash, is an obvious first step.

Putin seems like a fairly clever guy, so I imagine he will try to keep it in hand at first. After he's gone, though (presumably once he dies, because he's not going to leave power voluntarily)? It'll be open season.

Comrade Putin will not find an excuse to shut down opposition, as the important ones are already jailed. Just another charge on top of existing ones.

captcha: lame duck

why yes, this is lame.

Anytime Russia does anything we all have a kneejerk reaction like it was still the days of the Cold War. I say let them show they had every inclination to use this improperly before we chastise them.

FFS, they have like the 3rd strongest porn industry in the entire world. Lay off'a them.

Wow, Russia only just started with censoring? A former communist country only just arrives at a party long-since started by supposed bastions of freedom and democracy like the US and UK. Hah!

Random comment, and maybe somewhat insensitive, but why would someone need a website to tell them how to kill themselves? When did "Swallow all the colourful candies" or "toss thyneself of thyne roof" become to difficult to come up with yourself?

The government is censoring the internet? What is this, communist Rus- Ooooh.

jurnag12:
Random comment, and maybe somewhat insensitive, but why would someone need a website to tell them how to kill themselves? When did "Swallow all the colourful candies" or "toss thyneself of thyne roof" become to difficult to come up with yourself?

Because doing it painlessly, or with "gusto", requires a lot of planning.

My question would be "why does Russia give a shit about that?".
It's not like they need babies to feed some future war machine... or do they?

*dun dun duuuun*

Ldude893:
The Nazis have returned and are now in the process of taking over Greece à la 1920's Germany, and it's clear that their cross-hairs are aimed at the immigrants and Jews.
Russia is now being converted back to a communist, totalitarian state that was supposed to be abolished two decades ago.
And governments like those in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Zimbabwe still exist.

I'll just call it now: World War III in at least 15 years.

Well if you believe the sky to be falling I figure its your responsibility to go inform the king.

The headline should read.

"Russia publicly announces censorship plans"

They were already doing it, just like they are doing it in every other country to.

twistedmic:

Vegosiux:

I'd go as far to replace "Russian" with "any" in that sarcastic post. Wikileaks, Megaupload? Legitimacy of those actions is not part of the equation here, but what were those actions if not internet censorship?

Wikileaks (at least) was a different matter. Wikileaks was dealing with and exposing stolen classified material, regardless of the damage that such information could have caused.

material being classified is already censorship. wikileaks was breaking lawful censorship.

the great firewall of china and france is expanding. who will it swallow next?

Greg Tito:
Russian Telecom Minister Nikolai Nikiforov said the allegations of censorship were unfounded. "The government is not aimed at enforcing censorship there," he said on Tuesday and he specifically stated that major hubs would not be affected "LiveJournal, YouTube and Facebook showcase socially responsible companies. That means that they will be blocked only if they refuse to follow Russian laws, which is unlikely, in my opinion."

This is pure insanity.

"We're shutting down websites we deem inappropriate. This isn't the same as censorship," is what they're essentially saying here.

Russia's been hanging around with china too much.

So Russia is just after taking a huge step backwards // Now the main question is why other sites will fall under this "harmful" banner // They locked two girls up for singing in a church so my guess is their definition of Harmful is different than mine, a lot different

Hell a point may be argued that The Escapist is a harmful site because it contains the rants of Jim Sterling (I'm not saying Jim is harmful, I love his videos but others might see it differently)

-M

In Australia we had a law like that proposed, but we fought it tooth and nail! Damn you Steven Conroy, I will see you in hell!

Greg Tito:

To prove his point, Vdovin says the law will only target websites to which the Russian government is politically opposed.

So if you've nothing to hide, then you've nothing to fear? Boy, does that sound familiar...

KeyMaster45:
Of course it's only a matter of time before MI-6 does the same thing, and one of the many Bonds comes screaming out of the nether in a fiery explosion to kick him in the face then sleep with his wife.

I can't decide if it should be George Lazenby or Sean Connery.

Anyway, I hope that the unwashed masses of the Internet get worked into a tizzy by this. It's always fun to watch, and sometimes good things get done.

thespyisdead:
well... if only the bad sites are censored, then i am just fine... i will be concerned once other sites become black listed... at which point, it will be admittedly too late

How do you consider what sites are "bad" ?

You can't.

Web sites... pretty sure the people looking them up aren't doing it because they're being forced to, or threatened, or anything like that. They want to, and for whatever reason it shouldn't be the gov's or anyone else's business unless they start hurting people.

The Plunk:
Hey, look, it must be sensationalism o'clock! The fact that they haven't actually censored anything yet, and have only said that they'll take down websites that most western nations already do apparently doesn't matter because they're Russia, therefore they must be evil!

Greg Tito:

"Of course there are websites that should not be accessible to children, but I don't think it will be limited to that," said Yuri Vdovin, an official from a human rights organization based in Russia. "The government will start closing other sites - any democracy-oriented sites are at risk of being taken offline."

To prove his point, Vdovin says the law will only target websites to which the Russian government is politically opposed. "There are lots of harmful websites out there already, for example, fascist sites - and they could have easily been closed down by now - but no, [the government] doesn't care, there are no attempts to do so," he said.

"The government hasn't taken down websites which express a political viewpoint... THEREFORE THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA START TAKING DOWN WEBSITES WHICH EXPRESS POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS!"

What a fucking genius!

cerebus23:
i suspect putin is motivated by his dreams of stalin and wanting to crush any and all opposition.

"He's a corrupt politican, and he's Russian... THEREFORE HE MUST LOVE STALIN!"
Look guys, we've got ourselves another genius over here!

You're pretty much the voice of reason here. The amount of reactionary racism and hypocrisy is way too high in this thread.

In these trying times, it is ever so wonderful to have a censorship-free heaven right here at Escapist.

As a Russian, living in Russia, I'd like to say... Holy dramatization, Batman!

I love how news about a law about censoring child pornography can immediately turn into "internet freedoms censorship" just by adding "in Russia" to it.

Don't believe the hype.

Russia, pretending the USSR isn't a thing anymore since 1989.

ResonanceSD:
Russia, pretending the USSR isn't a thing anymore since 1989.

Why 1989?

DVS BSTrD:
Russian censorship isn't news anymore :(

When was it news?

russia tends to be used as a test bed for stuff like this

Dear Mr. Tito,

This is an excellent post that highlights the potential problems of Internet censorship. As a bachelor student focusing on communication and society, it is exciting to see how the latest policy and trend about Internet censorship utilize young children. Internet has become the most innovative invention since 1970s and it deserves heaps of praises. However, like many other things, anything can turn bad in the hands of abusers. Knowing that publishing pornographic materials is illegal in real world, would it still be legal if to publish the same thing on the Internet? The flow of information on the Internet creates concerns over whether Internet censorship should be imposed or not. I agree with you Internet censorship is a bad idea and as you indicated, the new Russian law is not only blocking pornography, but also other contents. I read an article, which is about Internet censorship, and is published by The Association for Progressive Communications; it said that the ability to share information and communicate freely via the Internet is human right. However, Internet censorship brings us drawbacks like breach of freedom of speech or expression. Under censorship, the government would screen and determine the most desired information for us. Our way of thinking will be restricted and people in the society will be fostered and conformed to the same mankind.

I understand we may need to protect young people from harmful websites and information, but that is not the desirable influence of censorship. In my opinion, young children should be literate and thoughtful. Young children should learn and develop the sense of determining what is right or wrong by themselves; they need to make their own judgment by analysis and critical thinking. If the government creates a "blacklist" of websites, young people will lose the opportunity to learn and grow. To keep children away from unwanted materials on Internet, censorship is not the only solution. Parental Control Software would be a better alternative. Not only be able to enjoy information 'screen', two- way communication can also be built between parents and their children.Last but not least, I agree with you that we should set China as a " role model" and make prediction about Russian Internet access in the future. Is Russia the next China? How can we find out the "truth" under censored material? I really hope there could be freedom of information across the world and young people can benefit from using the Internet.

Shirokurou:
As a Russian, living in Russia, I'd like to say... Holy dramatization, Batman!

I love how news about a law about censoring child pornography can immediately turn into "internet freedoms censorship" just by adding "in Russia" to it.

Don't believe the hype.

having the means to censor websites is dangerous, it could be abused and may be abused. The point is no man should have that power, the power to decide whos opinion is worth listening too and shutting them down if they don't like it.

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Evil Smurf:

Shirokurou:
As a Russian, living in Russia, I'd like to say... Holy dramatization, Batman!

I love how news about a law about censoring child pornography can immediately turn into "internet freedoms censorship" just by adding "in Russia" to it.

Don't believe the hype.

having the means to censor websites is dangerous, it could be abused and may be abused. The point is no man should have that power, the power to decide whos opinion is worth listening too and shutting them down if they don't like it.

Censorship always was and will be there for stuff like child porn or suicide guides. Also that Dark Knight still actually was part of Nolan's support for that kind of thing in the name of the greater good.

I don't care, any Russian wants to change countries I'm there ;) Russian modern history "HOLY SHIT! The Berlin Wall fell! Our beloved communism ain't holding it together, dude we're fucked!" after the obliteration of communism: "yeah well, now it's all about the money right? So here's what it's gonna be, we have EVERYTHING you want if you wanna pay for it, and forget about complex laws and whatnot, let's live life and have some fun" :D

If it sounded offensive, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. As a matter of fact I plan to go to Russia with my girlfriend sometime next year (if the world is still around) :) I have this unreasonable totally childish adoration for everything Russia hahaha

Shirokurou:

Evil Smurf:

Shirokurou:
As a Russian, living in Russia, I'd like to say... Holy dramatization, Batman!

I love how news about a law about censoring child pornography can immediately turn into "internet freedoms censorship" just by adding "in Russia" to it.

Don't believe the hype.

having the means to censor websites is dangerous, it could be abused and may be abused. The point is no man should have that power, the power to decide whos opinion is worth listening too and shutting them down if they don't like it.

Censorship always was and will be there for stuff like child porn or suicide guides. Also that Dark Knight still actually was part of Nolan's support for that kind of thing in the name of the greater good.

I'm there with you, I'm all hands to restrain certain freedoms in order to safeguard "greater goods", such as life, dignity, etc. Freedom is a lie, the existence of law restrains us from being free, because human freedom would lead to conflicts that would eventually make it hard to live in society, so we settle for the "fake freedom", which is, basically: imagine a circle surrounding you, within that circle lies everything you can do, which means everything not prohibited by law, even then, however, you cannot forcefully infiltrate someone else's "circle", that would be a restraint of their freedom, and would be a declaration of conflict. The law exists to keep those circles intact and people at "respectful distance" from each other's freedoms...

The Dark Side: the biggest horrors in most totalitarian countries are often perpetrate with LEGAL authority, a total disregard for Natural Law while elevating Positive Law to god-like status, obviously, since the Positive Law only requires a source to make it legal, in those countries that source is the very power-that-be without any (valid) representation of the people. This can lead, as it did in the III Reich and Soviet Union, to an almost absolute inversion of values to satisfy the needs of one single group, that can turn out to be a megalomaniac Führer. Russia nowadays, Putin or no Putin, is NOT a totalitarian country, as a matter of fact, since the III Reich and Soviet Union, totalitarianism has not been heard of; we had many types of dictatorships, but none deserving of said title, the most extreme countries in the middle-east are heavily based on natural law, according to their own religious beliefs and local culture, thus, no totalitarianism there either...

Milanezi:
I'm there with you, I'm all hands to restrain certain freedoms in order to safeguard "greater goods", such as life, dignity, etc. Freedom is a lie, the existence of law restrains us from being free, because human freedom would lead to conflicts that would eventually make it hard to live in society, so we settle for the "fake freedom", which is, basically: imagine a circle surrounding you, within that circle lies everything you can do, which means everything not prohibited by law, even then, however, you cannot forcefully infiltrate someone else's "circle", that would be a restraint of their freedom, and would be a declaration of conflict. The law exists to keep those circles intact and people at "respectful distance" from each other's freedoms...

The Dark Side: the biggest horrors in most totalitarian countries are often perpetrate with LEGAL authority, a total disregard for Natural Law while elevating Positive Law to god-like status, obviously, since the Positive Law only requires a source to make it legal, in those countries that source is the very power-that-be without any (valid) representation of the people. This can lead, as it did in the III Reich and Soviet Union, to an almost absolute inversion of values to satisfy the needs of one single group, that can turn out to be a megalomaniac Führer. Russia nowadays, Putin or no Putin, is NOT a totalitarian country, as a matter of fact, since the III Reich and Soviet Union, totalitarianism has not been heard of; we had many types of dictatorships, but none deserving of said title, the most extreme countries in the middle-east are heavily based on natural law, according to their own religious beliefs and local culture, thus, no totalitarianism there either...

+1.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Also you sound like a law major... i approve.

Shirokurou:

+1.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Also you sound like a law major... i approve.

Lol, I AM a law major, but I don't actually work as a lawyer ;) Thanks anyway.

Russia and civil rights don't mix. They'll shut down anything and everything anti-government.

Milanezi:

Shirokurou:

+1.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Also you sound like a law major... i approve.

Lol, I AM a law major, but I don't actually work as a lawyer ;) Thanks anyway.

I'm a law major myself...

Combine Rustler:
Russia and civil rights don't mix. They'll shut down anything and everything anti-government.

Wow... except all the opposition blogs, twitters and political parties.
Navalny is FAMOUS for his blog... Which is still online... and not banned for a long time.

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