Apple Can't Use The iPhone Name in Mexico

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Zombie_Moogle:
Does this count as patent trolling? It feels like Apple is patent trolling a bit here. I think Mexican people can tell the difference between "Ph" and "F"

Apple probably just wants to hold a universal right to putting a lowercase i in front of another word.

Oh I hope the get royally fucked.

There's one thing worse than a patent troll. And that's a big company that throws it's weight around with smaller companies.

This just made my day. Perhaps now they will actually do some research before suing anything that has a resemblance to a word 'phone'.

Folji:
Apple probably just wants to hold a universal right to putting a lowercase i in front of another word.

What, really? Well, iNever!

This is what happens when we fail to do our research on before suing, Apple.

Beautiful, man. Just beautiful.

And this is why copy right/IP as we know it fails....

ZippyDSMlee:
And this is why copy right/IP as we know it fails....

everyone knows it needs a re work, only problem is that the assholes with the money want to keep it the same as it lets them cling to outdated ideas and methods which have a hard time remaining useful and effective in the current day and age.

DVS BSTrD:
iF one may say, I'm betting Apple is wishing they weren't so phoney right now.

iSee what you did there.

Considering their loss in the UK, too, this could be a serious blow.

This really does not surprise me at all. Apple could have had the best case possible and they still would have lost. Mexico has one of the most corrupted governments and legal systems out there.

ZippyDSMlee:
And this is why copy right/IP as we know it fails....

This has nothing to do with copyright.

Zombie_Moogle:
Does this count as patent trolling? It feels like Apple is patent trolling a bit here. I think Mexican people can tell the difference between "Ph" and "F"

No, it would be a legitimate complaint. Mind the "would be" part, though, were it not for the fact that iFone named their product first. Obviously there's a difference between "Ph" and "F", but tell me what the difference is in spoken word. Exactly. If iFone was a brand new company, Apple would have been well within their rights to sue them to hell and back for creating a name that's phonetically identical to their product.

It'd be like if I were to create a product called a "We You". I can guarantee that I would hear from Nintendo's lawyers.

Little Gray:
This really does not surprise me at all. Apple could have had the best case possible and they still would have lost. Mexico has one of the most corrupted governments and legal systems out there.

Considering Apple lost here, it can't be that corrupt. Had they won this ridiculous case, I would be right there with you.

doggie015:
Wow... I was not expecting this...

Well, say goodbye to your iPhones Brazil Mexico. From now on you will have much shittier cheaper iFones

Fixed? Also there is now a large chunk missing from Apple's ass due to the large bite that karma took out.

Skeleon:

Folji:
Apple probably just wants to hold a universal right to putting a lowercase i in front of another word.

What, really? Well, iNever!

HIDE YO KIDS

HIDE YO WIFE

DEY GON' SUE YA NOW!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

I have heard about the HiPhone but never about and iFone

FelixG:

ZippyDSMlee:
And this is why copy right/IP as we know it fails....

everyone knows it needs a re work, only problem is that the assholes with the money want to keep it the same as it lets them cling to outdated ideas and methods which have a hard time remaining useful and effective in the current day and age.

Not everyone some think it works good enough.

Zachary Amaranth:

ZippyDSMlee:
And this is why copy right/IP as we know it fails....

This has nothing to do with copyright.

Trademark is part of IP law, if the insanity was not so anally proprietary based things would be a lot better for us all.

Right in Apple's face: Spittle.
Right in Apple's balls: Punched.
Apple's gut when Apple was clutching its daddy-pearls on the ground: Kicked.

Internet community: Amused.
Pebkio: Quite amused.

ZippyDSMlee:

Trademark is part of IP law, if the insanity was not so anally proprietary based things would be a lot better for us all.

And if you had said "copyright/IP law," at least you'd be half right.

However, this is a case of trademarks working as they should, not IP law gone wild.

Little Gray:
This really does not surprise me at all. Apple could have had the best case possible and they still would have lost. Mexico has one of the most corrupted governments and legal systems out there.

Yes, because the US courts has a shining glorious history of not massively favouring US companies in similar suits. Hell Blizzard VS Games Workshop comes blazing into mind... luckily that one had a happy ending.

I'm not one to hate Apple or what it stands for, but this can only be a very good thing.

Apple needs to stop thinking they can just sue any and everyone under the sun just because they are a powerful and wealthy company, which of course they clearly believe they can otherwise they wouldn't have gone after a company that had trademarked the name years before their product ever saw the light of day.

Apple needed some humbling if you ask me.

Sgt. Sykes:
As I say. Ever since the age of the iPod, or maybe sooner, Apple went to craps.

Well I guess that's the thing - they as a company got Seriously lucky with the iPod + the huge customer loyalty that period built up and have pretty much been riding that ever since, from what I've been able to deduce, to the point where they could bring out a Blu-ray rewinder and still get their investment back ten-fold.

Can't imagine what the big deal is. Not like the Mexicans are too keen on staying in their own country these days.

Maybe they could just called it the 'applephone' or something in mexico?

Zachary Amaranth:

ZippyDSMlee:

Trademark is part of IP law, if the insanity was not so anally proprietary based things would be a lot better for us all.

And if you had said "copyright/IP law," at least you'd be half right.

However, this is a case of trademarks working as they should, not IP law gone wild.

Working right? Sorry I do not think if people are fooled by a name and do not understand who made a device then they should be fooled out of their money. And protecting an IP from being devalued in such a way has been trumped up to mythical proportions.

Now for the US embassy to threaten them with embargo.

Zombie_Moogle:
Does this count as patent trolling? It feels like Apple is patent trolling a bit here. I think Mexican people can tell the difference between "Ph" and "F"

It's less about the spelling more about the sound they make, which is identical. You hear someone talking about "i(Ph)(F)one", easily leads to confusion and could easily lead to sales being switched up by people who don't see a difference. Like if someone named their product "Ohreo".

ZippyDSMlee:

Working right? Sorry I do not think if people are fooled by a name and do not understand who made a device then they should be fooled out of their money.

That sounds like you should side with iFone then.

Hagi:
Hrm... seems Apple must have their own search engine in development to compete with Google.

I can't think of any other explanation for them missing iFone's 2003 patent besides using the Apple Maps technology applied to internet searches.

I mean seriously... what did they expect would happen when suing over a brand name infringement against someone who had that brand name before you did...

They proberly knew but are use to getting their own way with the usa siding with them back home even when their in the wrong. I'm betting they were expecting they could use their money to bully the smaller company and get what they want, not understanding that outside the US, money doesn't get you priority.

ace_of_something:
Maybe they could just called it the 'applephone' or something in mexico?

Exactly the name i thought

And this is why trademark laws are stupid.

WhiteTigerShiro:

Zombie_Moogle:
Does this count as patent trolling? It feels like Apple is patent trolling a bit here. I think Mexican people can tell the difference between "Ph" and "F"

No, it would be a legitimate complaint. Mind the "would be" part, though, were it not for the fact that iFone named their product first. Obviously there's a difference between "Ph" and "F", but tell me what the difference is in spoken word. Exactly. If iFone was a brand new company, Apple would have been well within their rights to sue them to hell and back for creating a name that's phonetically identical to their product.

It'd be like if I were to create a product called a "We You". I can guarantee that I would hear from Nintendo's lawyers.

iFone did come out first though & Apple sued them anyway. I'm sure they knew the date on the patents; they had attorneys file the lawsuit, after all. How couldn't they know? So I ammend my previous post: This absolutely was patent trolling, just not very well-executed

Jumplion:

Zombie_Moogle:
Does this count as patent trolling? It feels like Apple is patent trolling a bit here. I think Mexican people can tell the difference between "Ph" and "F"

It's less about the spelling more about the sound they make, which is identical. You hear someone talking about "i(Ph)(F)one", easily leads to confusion and could easily lead to sales being switched up by people who don't see a difference. Like if someone named their product "Ohreo".

Conversational confusion doesn't cause lost sales. When someone goes to buy an iPhone/iFone, they will clearly see the difference in spelling on the box.

Zombie_Moogle:

Jumplion:

Zombie_Moogle:
Does this count as patent trolling? It feels like Apple is patent trolling a bit here. I think Mexican people can tell the difference between "Ph" and "F"

It's less about the spelling more about the sound they make, which is identical. You hear someone talking about "i(Ph)(F)one", easily leads to confusion and could easily lead to sales being switched up by people who don't see a difference. Like if someone named their product "Ohreo".

Conversational confusion doesn't cause lost sales. When someone goes to buy an iPhone/iFone, they will clearly see the difference in spelling on the box.

Mah boi, you underestimate the stupidity of the average consumer.

Look at it this way. There are two boxes next to each other; Oreo and Ohreo. Two different spellings, but to the consumer there's hardly any difference, so they just pick up whatever regardless of the product quality.

It's just basic brand recognition and whatnot. It's how The Asylum makes money, cashing in on "Transformers" with a "Transmorphers" movie, or "Rattatoulie" vs. "Rattatoing". Fuck, I'd never want my product ot be accidentally confused with that P.O.S D:

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not siding with Apple, the Mexican company did have a patent on the iFone thing well before Apple did, they are in the right (at least in the Mexico region).

I love Apple, all I own is Apple. Ok, my consoles aren't, nor my work laptop (though I wish it was). BUT WHAT THE FUCK! Your iPhone 5 "The biggest thing to happen to iPhone since iPhone" was such a disappointment that shit, shit, shit, I'm only getting it because, just like with Android, once you start buying tons of apps you made an investment and quitting would be worse.
Please, PLEASE, stop Apple, you used to be the shitty one, the indie pain in the ass vegan, so Microsoft just plain ignored you and BAM! You ate its head and blew it's splinters, you became the "cool one", I began buying Apple simply because things always worked as they should (right Maps, RIGHT?! You fucking scrotum), or got fixed right away in very easy manners, aall the while Microsoft plummeted to the ground. Then Samsung, with all their shitty cell-phones started to react, but why would Apple worry, all their cell-phones sucked right? Let's just sue them! And well, where are we now? Microsoft is still shitty but it's reacting and Galaxy fucking rocks (i prefer the iPhone, but won't deny it rocks), and Apple is just losing itself, if it doesn't react to important crap NOW it will have Microsoft AGAIN to deal with.

On a totally different rant from my last post lol

This news reminds me of something that came to light recently in Brazil. I'm a fan of burgers and chicken tenders, now, in the USA the chicken tenders are done in a way, maybe something done to the chickens, I don't know nor care, the taste is unique, and wonderful. This is only to point a fact: sometimes one country will NOT replicate another country's culinary simply because of a few ingredients, unless they get imported, like The Outback does.

That said, when in the USA, if not gorging myself on Denni's (what can I say I'm like the Joker, I have simple tastes lol) on The Cheesecake Factory (ok, I hate the USA for this, I go to the gym and what the fuck not, and then I travel to the USA and fucking gain all the weight again... Ah fuck it it's worth it :D), anyway, when not there I usually go grab a burger at a Johnny Rocket's, since it's close to hotel I'm usually at. I love Route 66, the taste of the burger and the whole mix of mushrooms and cheese and onions, WOW!

For a long while we had here in Brazil a burger joint named Rockets, ok, it's not the SAME name, but the whole design was the very same, from the sign to the the theme, the jukeboxes, the chairs, everything. There weren't as many burger options, but the names were the same, with one or another minor difference in ingredients. However, I never enjoyed Rockets, places such as The Fifties and New Dog (both are big Brazilian traditional burger joints) were much more to my liking. But I always attributed that to a difference in the way the food is prepared, like McDonald's, franchise's do change a bit to match a country's tastes. Particularly, in terms of burger, USA and Brazil ARE different, first we use much more cheese, and if you're in a good burger joint they'll have home-made sauces, including home-made mayo which will be laid in tons over the burger (love it, bad for your health, but gotta love it, I know americans might say UGH!, but our mayo is way different then the stuff you have, no offense, matter of fact is you more than make up for the mayo with other tasty ingredients ;)). All that would obviously amount to a difference between our Rockets and USA's Johnny Rockets.

This year it was revealed that Johnny Rocket's had sued Rockets (and WON, thanks the lords of burger) for mimicking the north-american branch, it's existence only came to the american knowledge once Johnny Rocket's revealed it was only NOW coming to Brazil (opens 2013 YES!). The guys didn't have to close their doors, but they will have to stop copying the american branch, they already took their sing off the front, and will probably have to change some burger names. Anyway, fair is fair, and in this case at least, it was pretty clear that Rockets WAS trying to profit off Johnny Rocket's well-known name for burger lovers...

Well, now we have P.J. Clark's (don't care much for it), Butcher's Market ( FUCKING AWESOME, and they kept the north-american style of burger making, which is like an awesome deal) and the real Johnny Rocket's :)

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