Judge Sentences Hacker to 6 Years Without Computers

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I agree with the Judge.
He got off very easy and I'm sure like most hackers whom been through the courts, he'll end up at a very nice security firm, making tons of money, for doing what he got in trouble for. It's a story you can see repeated since the dawn of the internet.

As much as we all get riled up over Politics or a Corporation's constant attack on our civil liberties. Committing crimes, for a good cause, only hurts the legitimacy of the cause. He did more good for SOPA then bad and yes that plays a huge part in his punishment.

He didn't just take down some servers, he hurt a very real movement that fights Draconian legislation like SOPA, by making them appear as radicals and criminals. You have to look at the big picture here, there was other options.

I'm sure analogue radio won't be so bad once he acquires a taste for NPR.

Ouch, a fate worse than death well imprisionment for some people out there.
Sure he will have alternatives like gaming, going outside and can still keep track of the development of techologies but I can assume by the time the sentences is over, his skill will be very rusty.

Kid or not, he knew what he was doing and got caught, so why shouldn't we expect him to be punished for it? And let's suspend reality and say he got prison time instead, I doubt they would give him heavy internet access anyway considering the nature of his crime. So wouldn't he be screwed out of internet regardless?

amaranth_dru:

Capitano Segnaposto:

Wasn't it a few years ago that the Government was hiring people just like this kid to work for them?

Hm.

Yeah didn't you hear that computer jobs are the most oversaturated in the United States at the moment? What, you didn't think that meant government jobs too?

I will just assume that the post didn't mean to come off as harsh as it sounded.

Regardless, no. I have never heard that the Computer Network Security Jobs were oversaturated and I am currently in a 4+1 Program for that exact Major. While I may not know a whole lot about this major yet (hell, I am only a Freshman), from what I have researched and gathered: No. They are not Oversaturated. Unless you meant computer jobs in general.

Magefeanor:
I thought internet had turned into a human right over the years?
Apparently not

If cause havoc with a car your lose the right to drive, what's the difference?

He committed a crime and got caught doing it, and can now only have restricted access to the internet. While this would be hell to me, it makes sense and I'd prefer it to jail time(though, I've always wanted to spend maybe like a week or so in there simply for the experience), and he got off damn lucky if you ask me, considering he was hacking sites that the government was involved in.

Aside from the "he broke the rules and got nailed, no biggy" judgement of the situation, I must say I applaud the kid for his protest either way. Yes, he broke the rules, and him going after paypal accounts was sketchy, but all in all, I see this kid as a bit more of a tragic hero, brought down by his own faults. If he hadn't gone after the paypal accounts, I'd go as far to see this kid as a martyr.

bobmus:

Greg Tito:
It's like that crappy 1990s Hackers movie was real.

Greg, me and you are gonna have words.
Stern words, mostly involving your taste in movies.

Next thing you know we're gonna have a Plague on our hands, and this kid will be the only one who can save the day.

razor343:
But...I liked Hackers.

The only thing wrong with hackers is the fact that the Internet is a series of cats in tubes not skyscrapers made of LEDs.

Can you imagine what he feels? Is he allowed to play online with his friends? On the other hand he is a criminal, that means he should be rehabilitated.

Stealing things is bad m'kay.

Also this kid is not pirating anything XD

So...they're saying it should be like Catch Me If You Can? Where the criminal is given a second chance to redeem himself and work for the government? No...

This kid is smart. 15 year olds nowadays are way smarter than 15 year old about 15 years ago (Do the math). This is was smart enough to learn how to hack big sites. he knew what he was doing; it's not like he just turned his computer, typed Google and site were hacked.

He might be incredibly talented but he used his talents selfishly and irresponsibly. So he must be punished. Like when heroes in comic books go rogue and do a lot of damage and kill people. You don't see superheroes go "Oh...well, you're still pretty strong and killing you will be a shame. Aw, what the hell. You learned your lesson, right? Come join the Justice League once again! All is forgiven!".
Simple as that.

if the kid still wants to redeem himself after his sentence is over then more power to him.

Magefeanor:
I thought internet had turned into a human right over the years?
Apparently not

To the best of my knowledge, the internet is not publicly funded in the US by the US citizens, so no.

Cosmo the God?

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PUNY GOD!

Also he still has internet access, just restricted to educational use. Not having unrestricted internet until you're 21 really sucks, but the crap he pulled was maliciously destructive, and he was experimenting with ways to actually defraud money from people online. That he still can go about his day freely is more than lenient.

Anyway, who actually believes that the government isn't monitoring and cataloguing all internet usage? Half of that ridiculous $400 billion America is spending on their 'military' is actually being poured into giant server farms in the Nevada desert to store everyone's movement, I don't know if they have a way to actually navigate it or search for anything on there, but you can bet your ass all that internet history is being stored. Nice to know.

Uber Waddles:
Dont most countries have a law against Cruel and Unusual punishments?

Wouldnt that fall under unusual punishments? You could probably make a case for cruel too, considering how much of peoples lives (especially if he goes to a standard school) revolves around computers and online research.

Just sayin...

If you drink and drive you lose your licence to drive, if you kill someone (outside what the law allows) you lose the right to a gun in areas their allowed, and if you hack and steal credit card information, commit fraud and ruin other people's lives, you lose the right to use the internet. it seems like it fits the other punishments, heck he got off lightly as the others would include prison time. Also note, he is still allowed to use computers (just not networked) and can use the internet while under supervision for educational reasons. Seriously its a piss poor punishment but atleast it fits the crime.

Cruel and unusual? I'm pretty sure that if he wasn't in prison, he couldn't use computers anyway, so frankly he's getting off easy. Some people honestly see this as a violation of Human rights? I really don't see how, it's a slap on the wrist really.

On a side note, getting porn is going to be awkward for him.

cidbahamut:

TKretts3:
Like taking away Mozart's Piano? This is more like taking away an assassin's favourite gun. Yes, they may be astoundingly talented with it, but that doesn't change the fact that he uses that gun to break the laws. That's exactly what this person did and deserves day of those six years that he gets.

It's not cruel or unusual to take away someone's means of crime. Next time he should think before he acts.

Get the hell off my internet.

Next we'll be hearing about how it's ok to tell someone they can't read books anymore because they learned how to create makeshift weapons in some novel they read.

That book gave them the information on how to make a weapon, it was not used as a weapon. The person in question used a computer as the weapon against these sites, and as a possible crowbar into people's personal lives and details.

I would talk about how this is unjust and how things like LOIC shouldn't be illegal in the first place and how my tax dollars are paying some asshole to look over this kid's shoulder while he does his online homework, but I won't for one reason:

They will NEVER be able to fully enforce this.

The ease that someone can get a networked device and hide that network from authorities is laughable just like this ruling.

cidbahamut:
Denying someone access to the greatest repository of human knowledge in existence is deplorable, and anyone who says otherwise should be ashamed of themselves.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time bro.

I doubt any of you guys would be so lenient if he stole some of your personal information... Just a thought.

It's not at all like taking away Mozarts piano. Mozart wasn't being an asshole with his piano, while this kid was with his computer.

6 years is a little long. Should probably be resentenced to maybe a year.

...I feel like this is 100% better than tossing him in prison for 3 years. Theoretically, if he's a real genius, he'll be able to continue his supervised studies, get a high school degree with a significant GPA, get some awesome SAT scores, go to MIT, get a job working on internet security somewhere, and make many more digits of money than I ever will. Like, I don't understand how not being able to abuse people over the internet will really stop him--it's not the actual implementation that will help later down the road, it's the theory. Establishing and improving upon good learning skills will keep him competitive while he spends those 6 years not hacking webpages, which will make him easily able to transition to Hacking of the Future. Really, for everyone who is actually worried about his ability to destroy webpages when he's 21, if he's smart (which it sounds like he is), he won't have any issues. Lets hope he uses those powers for good (making a jillion digits of money saving hapless webpages from the ravages of criminals) instead of evil.

Honestly, out of every possible punishment, this is probably one of the better options. Languishing in jail helps literally no one, and letting him know that he can do whatever he wants while he's a teen does him a disservice. Community service might have been more productive, but maybe that's too irrelevant? Either way, I sincerely doubt he will be crippled for life, especially if he's still able to use the tubes for education.

Don't see how they would enforce this, unless they have someone constantly supervising him.

CardinalPiggles:
Mozart couldn't steal personal information leading to theft of funds with a freakin' piano could he? This lawyer...

I dunno man, have you seen that guy play piano? He was pretty good...

Magefeanor:
I thought internet had turned into a human right over the years?
Apparently not

No, not in the Land of the Free.

a fate worse than death!

Magefeanor:
I thought internet had turned into a human right over the years?
Apparently not

They struggle with tying that phrase to healthcare, probably a while to go before many people in the States associate it with the internet.

Who bets he'll finally hack the gibson by coding C in a texas instruments scientific calculator?

Guarantee you he's just going to use the internet anyway.

He'll buy a laptop or a tablet that can get online and use that.

To anyone who likes hackers: People don';t like that movie because it does not know how computers work (despite being about computers), and that is actually an understatement.

OT: It could have been a lot worse for him. Yeah, it might hinder his ability to do whatever but he can skill practice his skills, so long as someone watches so he can still make useful programs (not network oriented program though) if he really wants to. (course if he's just a little shit that wanted to mess with people he'll find some other way to mess with them).

ViciousTide:
I say hire him part time at $5.15/hr. There must be a little exemption for minimum wage with deliquents.

I think less than half minimum wage isn't "A Little Exemption"

OT: Oh well. Guess you shouldn't break the law, kid. Sucks to be you.

Jandau:
How exactly is this to be enforced? Because unless someone is with him 24/7 this is a joke. If anything, I heard of these lovely places called internet cafes that offer anonymous access to the internet. Heck, screw that, if he doesn't do anything stupid he could use the internet to his heart's content with a laptop/netbook/tablet and some free wi-fi...

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind. Either punish the kid or don't, this is just silly.

My thoughts as well. I do know of some very good software that is advertised on Christian Radio for monitoring the internet, then only have the parole officer have access too the monitoring software. Still that is very labor intensive. Even logs take time to search.

Though the lawyer is crazy, I would gladly take ANY punishment over Youth Detention (I have heard horror stories).

keep of any computer for six years or you will go to jail.

okay *pulls out new smartphone and starts to hack*

yes, the smartphones are getting there..

rhizhim:
keep of any computer for six years or you will go to jail.

okay *pulls out new smartphone and starts to hack*

yes, the smartphones are getting there..

They did specify networked devices, so no internet for him.

People are calling the internet a human right now? No. The ability to speak your thoughts, a fair judicial system, and to believe in what ever deity/lack of deity you want are human rights. The internet is a luxury that facilitates speaking your mind, but it is hardly required. It isn't something that exists in all American households, let alone households world wide, and until 20 years ago, the idea of everyone having the internet was laughable.

I would also like to point out that we consider freedom to be human right, but we all tolerate jails because we don't want a murderer or rapist out and about. Same thing. We don't want someone who has stolen personal information out and about online.

Magefeanor:
I thought internet had turned into a human right over the years?
Apparently not

When you abuse your human right to commit theft, amongst other crimes, you kind of lose some entitlement.

CJ1145:

Magefeanor:
I thought internet had turned into a human right over the years?
Apparently not

When you abuse your human right to commit theft, amongst other crimes, you kind of lose some entitlement.

Specifically when you start abusing OTHER people's rights. The people tend to like their personal information nice and secure, thanks.

Kid deserved the punishment and I don't care a whit if he is some Mozart. People, regardless of intellectual level, should be equally subjugated to the punishment of the law.

Aureliano:
It's still a bit fascinating to me how there's nothing legal you can do to get more rights as a minor but there are a number of illegal things you can do as a minor to get you treated as having the recognizance an adult.

No display of maturity as a 17-year-old will make it legal for you to bone somebody, drink, smoke or vote; but if you kill enough people as a twelve year old you can get tried as an adult. Modern society is fun that way, isn't it?

well, actually, in some states from 16 year olds you can legaly leave home. theres a lot of beurocracy, and you have to find people who are willing to "take you in and sign on it" but its possible. this is usually limited to cases where parent has to move to another place for work reasons and the kid wants to stay in same school/with same friends but technically it can be done for other stuff.

P.S. capcha suggests: new york city
bad capcha, learn law

OT: well thats the worst punishment for him. a hackers life is all about computers, they pretty much locked him out of his only free time. he will have to re-learn to live. And internet is not human right, despite what some prisoners who got acess to internet would say to you.

The people tend to like their personal information nice and secure, thanks.

if that was truth facebook wouldnt exist. its hard to imagine what people put there.

clippen05:
I doubt any of you guys would be so lenient if he stole some of your personal information... Just a thought.

i got nothing to hide.....

TKretts3:
Like taking away Mozart's Piano? This is more like taking away an assassin's favourite gun. Yes, they may be astoundingly talented with it, but that doesn't change the fact that he uses that gun to break the laws. That's exactly what this person did and deserves day of those six years that he gets.

It's not cruel or unusual to take away someone's means of crime. Next time he should think before he acts.

Don't think you've quite understood that metaphor.

w9496:
It's not at all like taking away Mozarts piano. Mozart wasn't being an asshole with his piano,

I don't know man, have you seen the movie "Amadeus"? Mozart was a bit of an asshole.

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