Wranglers: Hobbit Production Responsible for 27 Animal Deaths

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JoJo:
I can't say I really care one way or the other, animals die on a daily basis to feed me, I can't see a problem with a few dying in the service of making a good film, even if what Wrangler claims is true.

So living things need to suffer horribly before dying to give you three hours of pleasure?

CrossLOPER:

JoJo:
I can't say I really care one way or the other, animals die on a daily basis to feed me, I can't see a problem with a few dying in the service of making a good film, even if what Wrangler claims is true.

So living things need to suffer horribly before dying to give you three hours of pleasure?

Yep, sounds just about right, heck that two and half hours pleasure more than your average burger's going to give me, the animal's should consider themselves lucky ;-)

So they sunk all that time and cash into the place yet the future burgers died anyway. What a waste of money, hope they at least got the barby going afterwards.

CAPTCHA: vegan diet. Lol no captcha, lol no.

Elvaril:
The Hobbit production was responsible for the deaths of 27 animals. That is less than a drop in the barrel when compared to the amount of animal deaths that PETA is responsible for.

True, but PETA's never been one to let facts get in the way of a good protest.
In fact, I don't think most protesters let facts get in the way.

tredien:

Now bring in the naked chicks.

Judging by what's being protested- The best you'll likely get is paralized naked chicks... I don't think they'll have many of those either.
Maybe they'll torture people in public, if you're lucky.

Why can't there be moar pro carnivor activisties so we can get moar vegan nude chicks?

Fire the guy/gal responsible. His/her job includes protecting these animals I assume, and if its true he/she ignored it then even more of a reason to do so. I hate animal cruelty, more so then I hate PETA... I do hate PETA though...

Elvaril:
The Hobbit production was responsible for the deaths of 27 animals. That is less than a drop in the barrel when compared to the amount of animal deaths that PETA is responsible for.

Heh, I was about to say something towards that.

PETA is just mad that they didn't get to abduct those 27 animals, kill them, then drive 5 minutes down the road and try to stuff the corpses into some fast food chain's dumpster.

Im a person generally in support of animals being treated well,

but PETA, this is fucking ridiculous -__-

Now, if you excuse me, Im going to go back to enjoying a delicious bacon double cheeseburger from Jack in the Box

You people are stuck on the PETA aspect of this story. PETA could cure cancer and you guys would find a way to spin it as a bad thing.
Yes PETA is a very misguided and in almost all aspects terrible organization, however, 27 animals seems like way too high of a number to me. I suppose if some of these animals have naturally short life-spans they could see a high death toll over the course of a few years, but it still seems way out of proportion.

Well it doesn't appear that this has been posted yet. (Hobbit is going to be awesome I can't wait ;saldjf;lsakdjflaksjdL;SAKJ;ALDSKJF;DALSKJF. Really looking forward to it.)

If only it would be scantily clad women doing the protesting, other than that, this story does nothing too me and I will be going to see the movie as I planned.

Angel Molina:
As soon as I finished reading the paragraph were PETA decides to go ahead and protest (even if Jackson adopted three pigs after the incidents), I couldn't help but remember this web comic:

(Also, I know this img. is too big, but i don't know how to make it smaller, does anyone know how to shrink images? Thanks in advance)

Basically, you put spoiler tags around the image tags so that the picture doesn't show up automatically and make your post gigantic. That way people only have to load the image if they click the spoiler box.

[spoiler] [/spoiler ]

Well. that is as much justification as is needed to cease production on this furry footed feature. None too soon either I might add. Alright, pack it all up and send it back to the shire.

On the one hand, avoidable animal deaths sound horrible and probably should be investigated to ensure that anyone who can be held accountable *is* held accountable. On the other hand, PETA routinely kill animals on purpose and pointing their blackened fingers at other kettles is just some of the most laughable bull I can imagine.

sethisjimmy:
You people are stuck on the PETA aspect of this story.

+1 sethisjimmy reminding us that even the devil can sometimes speak the truth, if only by coincidence. So while we merrily sharpen our pitchforks to skewer that atrocious farce of an organisation, let us not forget that if there is a kernel of truth to this story, then whatever its *lack* of a connection with the actual filming practices of Peter Jackson et al. we should still say "hey hang on, innocent fluffies shouldn't be randomly destroyed! INTENTIONALLY destroyed for food, sure, but by accident is just mean and sloppy!"

Shame that the animal deaths were avoidable but happened anyways.

Coming from PETA though? They need to get their heads out of their ass and fuck right the hell off. When your organization spends more money on ads, protests and the killing of animals more than actually SAVING the fucking animals you're doing it wrong.

Formica Archonis:

Grey Carter:
The American Humane Association confirms that no animals were harmed during the actual filming, but admits that it only monitors film sets, not the facilities where animals are housed and trained.

Why am I not surprised? I've yet to see a group with "humane" in the title that wasn't a bunch of incompetents or an outright racket.

I would recommend you look up what the American Humane Society actually does before dissing it and incompetent.

Here is their home page.

All I got from this article was an apatite.

thesilentman:
...And not a single fuck was given from me. And how are these guys are going to get away with arguing this? Seems like they lost all cred they had a while back... (I've never heard of these guys.)

Because vested interests will get outraged about anything they need to. It's PETA for god's sake, they're nuts.

Yeah thousands of animals die on a daily basis to sate many peoples hunger for meat or to keep their feet warm and now that a few die during the production of a film people go crazy. I mean a lot more goblins and orcs will have died as a direct result of filming, I don't hear anyone standing up for their rights!

Quaxar:

Doom972:

Quaxar:
All I read was the Hobbit is getting free advertisement from naked crazy chicks. Good for you, Peter Jackson!

Yes, I needed a good reminder about The Hobbit.
What was that about crazy naked chicks?

Edited that post for easier understanding. I'm assuming PETA is going to protest the only way they can... maybe they'll go with fake blood but my hope is on the naked models dressed as hobbits bludgeoning rabbits with battleaxes.

Awesome. As long as PETA's message gets lost in boobs and silliness, I'm fine with whatever kind of protest that they want to make.

I came here expecting to read many many preaching posts about treatment of animals and yet find myself thoroughly underwhelmed by the amount of post in support of these animals. Is this really the same website where I found myself reading about people defending the the ethical treatment of cockroaches?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.387582-Researchers-Remotely-Control-Cockroaches-With-Electronic-Backpack?page=1

OT: The mandatory joke about how many of the animals were killed for Peter Jackson to munch down.

Peter Jackson just updated his facebook page with his own post about the allegations.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/peter-jackson/animal-allegations-on-the-hobbit/10151300381651558
Going to post the entire thing in a spoiler as well as the link.

Casual Shinji:
This movie just can't get rid of its bad buzz, can it?

Still, one doubts this is the only time this has happened on a movie set. What about all those movies that have horses fall over? Sure, they're trained for that kind of thing, but you can't tell me a good deal of them didn't meet their fate by breaking their leg during these particular moments.

Still, when 27 animals die because of negligence, that's nothing to sneeze at.

When the group bringing attention to those deaths is PETA, an organisation not only responsible for many, many, MANY more animal deaths than 27, but also for funding a group which threatens, terrorises, and assaults sentient human beings, destroys their property, and has allegedly been involved in several human deaths, then you're right, it's nothing to sneeze at; it's something to snort derisively at.

Seriously, how are these shitbags still not in prison? The USA has tried to extradite British IT technicians in order to try them as terrorists just because they maintained a server which had the fucking email account of a suspected terrorist on it, yet these PETA cunts regularly funnel money into a group who sent threats to a good friend of mine threatening to fucking rape her because she works in medical research(which is "raping" animals, according to these ALF whackjobs).

Anyone who supports PETA is scum, anyone who donates money to PETA is scum, and anyone who lends even the slightest shred of credibility to PETA is scum.

Its fucking NEW ZEALAND.

Hello people its a land of hills and such.
Besides animals are not that robust even a single trip can damage a horse beyond repair.

But again its PETA doing this.

Umm... Shouldn't PETA be glad about this? You know, so those poor, little animals no longer have to suffer under their abusive owners? Right?

Oh, wait, I forgot. PETA is absolute bonkers. Their so insane, they can't even support their own agenda.

Is it bad that I kinda want them to protest at our local theater? (They won't, 'cause our town's much too small and insignificant, but still... it would be entertaining)

One day a Warg falls into a sinkhole, the other day a Giant Eagle lands in a mudtrap, then a Wyvern falls asleep and rolls off a cliff. Shit happens...

I have to picture a group of fans dressed as Gandalf counter protesting PETA by showing up to the theaters first and shouting "You shall not pass!" when the protesters try to herd in front of the theater...
Then the cavalry comes in to take them out when they refuse to go away


...ok so maybe that last bit doesn't happen... but there will surely be a brawl if PETA tries to stop admittance.

I love animals and hate to see them needlessly harmed, but a few points.
1. Animals are food.
2. NOTHING is going to stop me from seeing another LOTR film
3. PETA models make me horny....and hungry.

This needs to be quoted again and again: PETA IS LYING THROUGH IT'S TEETH. THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS BULLSHIT.

It's poor journalism on the Escapist's part to just run with the story without fact checking, something they've done before. This news could have easily been debunked with just a quick google search to find everything that Jackson mentions in his response.

The whole non-issue comes from two wranglers who were fired over a year ago from the production. It's nothing but petty revenge that PETA, a group notorious for publicity mongering, is all too happy to jump aboard with.

It says a lot about the current event of news that publicity porn and angry mob antics are far more favorable over, oh I don't know, the truth.

Elvaril:
Peter Jackson just updated his facebook page with his own post about the allegations.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/peter-jackson/animal-allegations-on-the-hobbit/10151300381651558
Going to post the entire thing in a spoiler as well as the link.

SpiderJerusalem:

It's poor journalism on the Escapist's part to just run with the story without fact checking, something they've done before. This news could have easily been debunked with just a quick google search to find everything that Jackson mentions in his response.

Elvaril:
snip

To be fair to the Escapist, I posted the note from PJ here almost immediately after it went up, which was hours after the initial article was posted here. The Escapist was just posting the story as it stood at the moment.

kuolonen:
I came here expecting to read many many preaching posts about treatment of animals and yet find myself thoroughly underwhelmed by the amount of post in support of these animals. Is this really the same website where I found myself reading about people defending the the ethical treatment of cockroaches?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.387582-Researchers-Remotely-Control-Cockroaches-With-Electronic-Backpack?page=1

OT: The mandatory joke about how many of the animals were killed for Peter Jackson to munch down.

If it were any other organisation doing the protesting, then there might be more supporters. As it stands, this site just really, REALLY hates PETA.
Also, have you seen a picture of post-diet Peter Jackson? He looks fantastic. That joke really does not work anymore.

Angel Molina:
As soon as I finished reading the paragraph were PETA decides to go ahead and protest (even if Jackson adopted three pigs after the incidents), I couldn't help but remember this web comic:

(Also, I know this img. is too big, but i don't know how to make it smaller, does anyone know how to shrink images? Thanks in advance)

Just add spoiler tags around the image, like so:

Quote me to see the tags required.

I hate you PETA...i hate you so very much.

Elvaril:

SpiderJerusalem:

It's poor journalism on the Escapist's part to just run with the story without fact checking, something they've done before. This news could have easily been debunked with just a quick google search to find everything that Jackson mentions in his response.

Elvaril:
snip

To be fair to the Escapist, I posted the note from PJ here almost immediately after it went up, which was hours after the initial article was posted here. The Escapist was just posting the story as it stood at the moment.

Fair, but even then there were numerous articles disputing the information and quite a few sources pointing out that the allegations had little to stand on. Nothing that appears in the article. Even the Matt Davistzki quote is taken from other sources that have it poorly attributed, giving it the feel that it's talking about the horses that had died (when it really has nothing to do with these allegations).

It just strikes me as click bait and sensationalism.

Wait isn't PETA the organisation that wants to just set animals free regardless of whether or not they're able to survive in the wild? Seems a bit rich that they'd get upset at something like this.

dragongit:
The problem about picketing ouside of a Lord of the Rings film, unlike most films say Harry Potter or even Star Wars, many of them will probably be in costume, weilding wooden to dull bladed weapons. You'll likely have a whole army chasing you down the street if you try to prevent them from seeing the movie.

We've asked the cast of Lord of the Rings to pre-enact that for us. Here's the result:

Pictured in the article is Martin Freeman is costume as Bilbo, stabbing a farm animal to death.

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