Consoles Are a "Massive Barrier" for Crysis 3 Development

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erttheking:
Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

That would roughly be the entire point of the article.

Crytek can't get their engine running on the hardware equivalent of bronze age technology.

Aaron Sylvester:

It better be flawless on PC's and not contain a single "leftover" from consoles.

Glass-Completely-Full type person, are we?

Yeah well... Crysis 3 is a 'Massive Barrier' for the development of Timesplitters 4, so what else is new?

To be honest this is the last shooter that deals with pc's first and consoles second bar maybe Battlefeild, sure they're going to suffer with the dead end of a console age, its the problem they face being the cutting edge games maker they are compared to GTA5 which isn't about cutting edge graphics.
Hopefully we get to say good job on them staying focused on maknig a jaw dropping game on a less than jaw droppnig console.

If i have to play something, i prefer consoles...but Crysis, oh why the hell did they had to bring that to consoles? Crysis 2 was a step way back, also it was boring...i dont even like FPS games but they had my respect for making the first game. But thats all lost since then.

el_kabong:
A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools.

It's true, they are supposed to pick the best tools for the job.

Crysis 3 should be PC exclusive. It's most recognized feature is the jaw-smashing graphics, so it doesn't make sense that they'd use current consoles.

wrightguy0:
doesn't crysis make even medium range PCs weep tears of unholy blood as it's majesty is not meant to be played on anything but the most angelic top of the range builds?

a game company who makes their game too complex for most PCs to run and then bitches out the low man on the totem pole for not living up to their standards is kind of a dick company.

Uhh, no, not really.

Back in the day the highest settings [Read: Consoles often run at lower than medium, and at sub HD resolution] would cause mid range PCs to struggle, and high end to angelic PCs to have a couple of stutters whilst still managing it.
These days, a number of years down the track, even a lower end mid range PC can max it out with a single GPU, and for the mid mid and upper mid ranges its a better experience than the angelic PCs of that day, whilst the top end and angelic PCs of today just laugh in its face.

Of course, this does all depend on what you consider mid range and such, which is IMO a sightly broad term, but really, Crysis was never hard to just run - only to max out - and now even that is a cakewalk, except for consoles like the Xbox which had to have it cut down below even lowest settings if the screenshots are anything to go by.

OT: And people say consoles don't hold anything back, and that its graphics costing too much money is the real culprit.
Whilst the latter part is still partially true, a large part of the reason they cost so much is just this: Getting them to work on consoles. How much money do you think would have been spent tearing apart and rebuilding the engine?
A lot, put simply. Old hardware, and rising standards thanks to newer available hardware, are what is driving costs up. Whilst you could argue that companies could focus less on graphics, this doesn't just effect graphics, and really why should we abandon good looking games simply because 7 year old tech struggles to run them?
This is why we need a new console generation; so things can improve - not just graphics.

Now, I'm not saying consoles don't have their place, but its as an affordable and low powered PC, not something you should try to force to run high tech stuff, nor something that you should hang onto for 7 years refusing to upgrade.

erttheking:
Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

It's not a question of consoles sucking as a whole, it's a question of console hardware being really damn old.

Which they are.

Very much so.

My statement that Crysis 3 should be PC exclusive has nothing to do with animosity towards consoles, as I don't have any. It's because it's the right thing for Crysis, the graphical flagship.

Don't really care, wasn't planning on getting it anyway. My understanding is that the Crysis series is known not for its qualities as a game, but on the fact that it has been benchmarks for graphical power.

Welp, Crytek, that's your own doing. The sad reality is that even if the game came out for next gen consoles with far fewer restrictions, the game would in all likelihood still be the sluggish, neutered mess that 2 was.

wrightguy0:
doesn't crysis make even medium range PCs weep tears of unholy blood as it's majesty is not meant to be played on anything but the most angelic top of the range builds?

No, it never did. And your grandma's laptop is anything but a medium range PC.

el_kabong:
A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools.

Good thing we aren't talking about carpenting, then.

erttheking:
Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

The console hardware sucks. I really hope you're not taking it personally.

Hammeroj:
Welp, Crytek, that's your own doing. The sad reality is that even if the game came out for next gen consoles with far fewer restrictions, the game would in all likelihood still be the sluggish, neutered mess that 2 was.

wrightguy0:
doesn't crysis make even medium range PCs weep tears of unholy blood as it's majesty is not meant to be played on anything but the most angelic top of the range builds?

No, it never did. And your grandma's laptop is anything but a medium range PC.

el_kabong:
A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools.

Good thing we aren't talking about carpenting, then.

erttheking:
Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

The console hardware sucks. I really hope you're not taking it personally.

No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Meaning of Karma:

erttheking:
Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

Console hardware sucks all the dicks.

I'm not going to say otherwise just because it might bruise your ego.

Bruise my ego? I'm just tired of not being able to click on a single PC/Console thread on this bloody website without getting ten different posts dedicated to how much cock consoles suck, I'm not going to apologize for being sick of it.

erttheking:

Meaning of Karma:

erttheking:
Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

Console hardware sucks all the dicks.

I'm not going to say otherwise just because it might bruise your ego.

Bruise my ego? I'm just tired of not being able to click on a single PC/Console thread on this bloody website without getting ten different posts dedicated to how much cock consoles suck, I'm not going to apologize for being sick of it.

Well then, why, exactly, are you so sick of people telling the truth?

erttheking:
No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Meaning of Karma:

erttheking:

Meaning of Karma:

Console hardware sucks all the dicks.

I'm not going to say otherwise just because it might bruise your ego.

Bruise my ego? I'm just tired of not being able to click on a single PC/Console thread on this bloody website without getting ten different posts dedicated to how much cock consoles suck, I'm not going to apologize for being sick of it.

Well then, why, exactly, are you so sick of people telling the truth?

No, I'm sick of PC elitists going on and on about how superior their gaming platform is to everything else. If you prefer the PC than fine, but for pete's sake every time individual game platforms are discussed we can never seem to avoid this and I'm freaking tired of it,

Yep, it's one of the these threads again.

Last time I jumped in, I had to sort through my inbox for a day and a half because apparently being unable to build my own computer from scratch with no prior ability to do so makes me a screaming retard that is a cancerous growth on the gaming industry. And do it for less than $500.

Sheesh, if it was that much trouble, why not make this PC exclusive? The first one was and I'm just now playing it on my Xbox. The newer consoles are around the corner, save time and effort for those.

Hammeroj:

erttheking:
No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

Bait for PC elitists to wank off over how "better" the PC is to consoles?

Oh no. NOT AGAIN.

kburns10:
Sheesh, if it was that much trouble, why not make this PC exclusive? The first one was and I'm just now playing it on my Xbox. The newer consoles are around the corner, save time and effort for those.

It has to do with maximizing profit. And the next-gen Xbox/PS4 is still just speculation at this point.

I didn't think I was a PC elitist. Then I saw this article and had to resist the urge to scream "VINDICATION!" at the top of my lungs.

erttheking:

Hammeroj:

erttheking:
No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

Why? I simply didn't notice it was you because of the change in avatar.

The reason people go on and on about is because nothing's changed. And the more time passes, the more frustrating it is to see nothing change. And actually, you can easily do that. You just:
A) Don't instantly start complaining about PC elitism without being able to clearly define it or establish its existence;
B) Don't pretend like consoles are, as some people think, the best we'll ever need or even get;
C) Don't propagate insane stereotypes and massive misconceptions.
I'm pretty sure you'd be just fine. I certainly don't have a problem with the actual people playing on consoles, and I'm pretty certain that's the case with most others.

The consoles are crap, and it sounds to me like you simply want to ignore it. Welp, sorry, you're on a gaming forum. Things get talked about here, and it just so happens that consoles suck hard enough for there not to be much room for actual discussion.

Nope. Dark Souls is a curious reference, namely because it's a port the devs did not give a shit about. Seriously hope you're not saying a shitty-ass port proves something about PCs not being a viable platform.

The chart isn't lying per se, but it's disingenuous as all hell to imply the focus of the vast majority of the big publishers and developers isn't set dead on the consoles. Which is what I would think is relevant when we're talking Crytek. I utter the term AAA only several words before "most games", it's not that hard to make that connection.

Then don't release on consoles.

Oh wait...the money, of course. Silly me.

I remember a time when being able to run Crysis on high was considered a mark of pride.

Now the Crysis series is considered another 'generic' shooter.

Crytek, just make make the bloody thing PC exclusive and wait for the next gen. Not only will you wow the consumer and generate interest in the Xbox 720 but you will also once again have a major unique selling point beyond the setting.

And in this age of COD and Battlefield sequels anything that makes you stand out from the herd is a good thing (just ask MOH: Warfighter why).

Hammeroj:

erttheking:

Hammeroj:
Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

Why? I simply didn't notice it was you because of the change in avatar.

The reason people go on and on about is because nothing's changed. And the more time passes, the more frustrating it is to see nothing change. And actually, you can easily do that. You just:
A) Don't instantly start complaining about PC elitism without being able to clearly define it or establish its existence;
B) Don't pretend like consoles are, as some people think, the best we'll ever need or even get;
C) Don't propagate insane stereotypes and massive misconceptions.
I'm pretty sure you'd be just fine. I certainly don't have a problem with the actual people playing on consoles, and I'm pretty certain that's the case with most others.

The consoles are crap, and it sounds to me like you simply want to ignore it. Welp, sorry, you're on a gaming forum. Things get talked about here, and it just so happens that consoles suck hard enough for there not to be much room for actual discussion.

Nope. Dark Souls is a curious reference, namely because it's a port the devs did not give a shit about. Seriously hope you're not saying a shitty-ass port proves something about PCs not being a viable platform.

The chart isn't lying per se, but it's disingenuous as all hell to imply the focus of all the big publishers and developers isn't set dead on the consoles. Which is what I would think is relevant when we're talking Crytek. I utter the term AAA only several words before "most games", it's not that hard to make that connection.

Ah, ok.

I'm sorry but with all of this chatter going on and on about how consoles are so inferior with hyperbole about it being bronze age tech being thrown around, it comes off as elitism for me.

Hate to break it to you, but a console IS all I'll ever need. I'm very content without a PC. I never said that they are the best, but I'm getting a little tired of being criticized for settling for less than perfection.

The funny thing about stereotypes is that they exist for a reason, because sometimes they're true. Like I said one person on this thread compared consoles to bronze age tech...if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

So are you saying that developers care about ports like Crysis 2? Because if they did I don't see what the problem is, and if they didn't then really it goes both ways and it's not really just PC games that are getting ruined, that's what I was trying to say.

I think it's safe to say that PC gaming has quite a few big exclusives with things like Starcraft, Torchlight Total War, and a few of the things Valve churned out, besides it's not like PC gaming completely gets the shaft. From what I understand of the games industry a lot of these games, like Bethesda games, get developed for consoles and then ported to the PC. If you had it really bad, you never would've gotten those ports, and really what's so bad about cross platform games?

ResonanceSD:
Glass-Completely-Full type person, are we?

He did say they had to completely take apart and re-assemble the engine. This is different to what was done with Crysis 2, i.e. development was based on consoles and THEN it was ported to PC's in DX9, later offering higher-resolution textures and DX11 layered on top of everything.

This time we have a game built on DX11 from ground-up, NOT a DX9 port. I can confirm this because I played C3 Alpha and without a DX11 card (and OS) the game wouldn't even install.

If you want to see my glass-completely-empty side then lets get into Multiplayer/Community discussion. I dunno if you are familiar with C2 multiplayer, but let me sum it up:
1) Anti cheat support from Crytek = non-existent, basically hacker haven on public servers. Hackers can also troll in the OFFICIAL forums (MyCrysis.com) all day long without consequence, nobody's there to stop them.
2) ~150 critical game-breaking bugs left un-fixed forever - Patch 1.9 was officially the last Crysis 2 patch, this was in July 2011 when Crytek confirmed there would be no more patches/fixes. They weren't kidding.
3) ZERO communication with the community since July 2011. There is ONE administrator on MyCrysis forums who checks once a week to throw out a thread lock or something, ignoring the hacker spam.
4) Terrible server tools/support for admins, made it borderline impossible to know what was happening on your own server that you owned.

The situation got so desperate that the community formed the |C3CG| clan (Crysis 3 Community Group) aimed at taking server administration and multiplayer into their own hands from the very beginning in Crysis 3 so Crytek can't fuck it up all over again.

To us multiplayer junkies Crysis 3 is nothing more than an attempt to fix all the fuck-ups Crytek made with Crysis 2 (though I don't know if you can label "ignore community forever" as a fuck-up). But I seriously doubt that 6 months down the road we'll ever hear from Crytek again in the Community, not until they announce Crysis 4 or something.

As much as I'd hate to agree with the frothy mouthed PC bunch if you're going to ditch your home platform for teh moniez you can't really blame the outdated tech. You chose to work on consoles that are approaching the end of their cycle, suck it up or go back home.

erttheking:
Ah, ok.

I'm sorry but with all of this chatter going on and on about how consoles are so inferior with hyperbole about it being bronze age tech being thrown around, it comes off as elitism for me.

Hate to break it to you, but a console IS all I'll ever need. I'm very content without a PC. I never said that they are the best, but I'm getting a little tired of being criticized for settling for less than perfection.

The funny thing about stereotypes is that they exist for a reason, because sometimes they're true. Like I said one person on this thread compared consoles to bronze age tech...if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

So are you saying that developers care about ports like Crysis 2? Because if they did I don't see what the problem is, and if they didn't then really it goes both ways and it's not really just PC games that are getting ruined, that's what I was trying to say.

I think it's safe to say that PC gaming has quite a few big exclusives with things like Starcraft, Torchlight Total War, and a few of the things Valve churned out, besides it's not like PC gaming completely gets the shaft. From what I understand of the games industry a lot of these games, like Bethesda games, get developed for consoles and then ported to the PC. If you had it really bad, you never would've gotten those ports, and really what's so bad about cross platform games?

You still haven't defined elitism.

PCs are less than perfection, too, far less. Why is there a need to 'settle' in this way in the first place? Is it money? If you honestly are content with the way things are now, well, then I can form an opinion about you. And right now it looks to me like you're content with mediocrity and stagnation.

That's a really weird question. They care more than From Soft did, that's for sure. Aside from that, not really. I think they care more about maintaining the charade of being a PC developer with the DX11 stuff in their Crysis games, and that's about it.

I'm not saying PC is dead. I'm not saying the PC doesn't have exclusives. I said the vast majority of big devs/pubs have their sights aimed directly at consoles. Stop trying to deflect. Bolded some more weird phrasing. I don't exactly know how that's supposed to work -the if we had it really bad part - but:
1) Console to PC ports are cheap as shit to make, especially if you're going the FromSoft route about it.
2) I don't see what's there to be so happy about with ports in the first place.

What's bad about cross platform games is that the shortcomings of one platform lessen the quality of the game for all platforms. The chain being only as strong as the weakest link and all that.

Yeah, the console is less powerful then a PC. You know what else is less powerful then the average PC you build for? Most PC in the world. These guys engineer for the high end user. I'm surprised that they even bother for Console development I would think making the engine run on lesser hardware might have also been a viable option. Maybe both if they rebuilt the thing and didn't make too many console exclusive tweaks.

Yeah, it sucks to have to rebuild your engine but that's in your programming department's job description, so there isn't much to say.

Why is Crytek even worried about the console crowd? Anyone who plays solely on consoles shouldn't expect to see a Crytek game run and run well on dated hardware. I play both PC and console and am willing to admit to this. I have never played Crysis because I find myself constantly short on funds to build a computer capable of running it, and by the time I have a new computer I'd have lost all interest. When I'm making 100k+ a year, first I'm getting a new house, then maybe a Falcon NW, in that order. It is at this point that I'll even consider playing anything from Crytek. But until then I'm perfectly content with my WoW and Assassin's Creed 3.

Twilight_guy:
I'm surprised that they even bother for Console development I would think making the engine run on lesser hardware might have also been a viable option.

It's CRYTEK for god's sake, to run Crysis properly at launch you needed hardware that hadn't been invented yet. Why aren't they sticking to that? Oh yeah, greed.

and ...?

so lemme see if i'm under standing this.

these guys go from making a PC exclusive FPS (know for the inhumane treatment of processors)

to the less powerful consoles, KNOWING FULL WELL, they consoles lack the power of said high end PCs.

and know they're whining about it and calling it a massive barrier? I'm just over flowing with sympathy for their plight

erttheking:

Hammeroj:

erttheking:
No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

A guy who used two weeks made a mod which made me enjoy Dark Souls far more than I ever enjoyed Skyrim. Wanna know how?

First we have a few things I didnt really find that important...

60 FPS.
High Res.

but most of all. something SO SIMPLE you'd think the developer would have implemented it.

an option to hide the mouse cursor. I mean seriously, seriously. Nobody in there thought of this. Nobody at their company thought, that many. Just 'maybe' people would find it a tad bit annoying to have to look at the windows mouse cursor while in game. And its just 'one' line of code that changed it. I could have downloaded a 50kb utility program from microsoft to do it, and im a user not a programmer.

Dark souls was indeed a mess, but I dont blame the game for that. I blame the developers, and the developers 'can' be forgiven as they opened it up to modding. And modding fixed it up pretty good. Im still mad that they decided to charge full price for what was essentialy an unifinished game. That tends to be frowned upon but the hordes of console-players were ready to give it a free pass as the game wasnt unfinished on their console of choice.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Yep, it's one of the these threads again.

Last time I jumped in, I had to sort through my inbox for a day and a half because apparently being unable to build my own computer from scratch with no prior ability to do so makes me a screaming retard that is a cancerous growth on the gaming industry. And do it for less than $500.

Sounds about right, yes.

How hard can it be to find a few websites that sell components, stick them in your basket, and when they arrive, slot them in the only places they will fit?
In all my years building PCs, the only problems I've had is when mainboards first started using that extra lead from the PSU. Thing wouldn't start and I was all like "What the deuce?" and then I was all like "Of course!" and then no more tears.

Only dreams now.

el_kabong:
A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools.

True, but asking someone to put a game like Crysis 3 on the XB360 and make it look good is basically asking for a miracle and the guy ain't exactly Jesus the Carpenter.

However, the Crysis team did kinda put themselves into this position by agreeing to make the game for the consoles.

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