Nintendo President Says Competitors Must Respond to Wii U

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Am I the only one who thinks they are going to lose a huge demographic with the Wii U? I mean, they lost the "I just bought this for Wii sports and Mario Cart" People without motion control.

I believe you should rethink that checkmate you just blurted out, mr.readybody.

Redhawkmillenium:

ThePuzzldPirate:

Redhawkmillenium:
The Wii U is barely even a next-gen console. Eurogamer analyzed the performance of games like BLOPS2, Mass Effect 3, and Arkham City and found that more often than not the Wii U performed WORSE than the 360. Once Sony and Microsoft bring out their next-gen consoles, the Wii U will occupy the same space the Wii did -- an underpowered console with a gimmicky control system that's fun for casual gamers but useless to hardcore gamers, except for maybe some Nintendo first-party games.

I won't be surprised if third party developers refrain from putting true next-gen games on the Wii U. If not, I expect the Wii U to hold back third party game development. POS can barely play current gen games as is.

Yes, cause quick ports is the best way to decide how strong a system is. If that is the case, PC gamers would actually be the master race with games strong enough to punch out Cthulhu. Instead, we just get games that look better, worse case, we get Dark Souls or Resident Evil 4.
Strong hardware is useless if the software doesn't know how to utilize it and it's probably going to take a year for that to happen. Some small developers making downloadable games might get there faster so we will have to wait and see.

With time for developers to get used to the system, the Wii U might edge out the 360 in performance. But it shouldn't be like that. With each console generation jump, we saw the benefits immediately. The first Gears of War, for example, looked far better on a technical level than any Xbox, PS2, or Gamecube game, and it was running in HD to boot. With the Wii U, games are running at the same resolution as current generation consoles, with the same level of detail (or worse -- several games have observably lower quality shadows on the Wii U), and actually tend to run worse. The Wii U, just like the Wii, will be stuck just being an enhancement of the last generation's graphics quality while Sony and Microsoft push truly next-gen graphics.

You mean like Gun looked so much better than Call of Duty 2: Big Red One? Those are 2 games released on the same day. Gears of War didn't come out for another year.

I've mentioned this somewhere else, but it seems it bears repeating. The Wii U dev-kit is very much a work in progress and is basically the framework with a lot of room left in it for developers to use. The games being used as benchmarks (Darksiders 2, Blops 2, ME 3) have the 360 code essentially jammed onto the Wii U due to the triple-core processor and AMD GPU setup. The code is not fully optimized for the Wii U's strengths, and won't be for a while now. This is more than likely why Epic waited a year after the 360 launch to show their cards and truly introduce their engine's show-off game the right way.

Basically, these ports aren't telling us all that much at all, but note this: Even if they look slightly worse now, or run slightly worse, the 360 and PS3 versions can't mirror the freaking game inside of the controller or send UI elements to it. This is the hand they're dealing. They're not building a missile in the arms race, they have their own agenda. Reggie is asking what they're planning to offer besides the obvious higher IQ and AA and such. Personally, for me, I'd rather they use higher processing for the AI and animations and such, which I'm sure we'll end up seeing. Please judge Nintendo based on what they're actually offering, not what they've decided to ignore altogether.

Pride goeth before a fall. Be careful of issuing ultimatums, Reggie; you'll definitely get a response, however, it may not be one you'll like or expect. The Wii started strong but lost a lot of momentum in later years of its life. You'll have to be a lot less passive in this generation to stay ahead (I am skeptical of the possibility that the Wii U will attain the same "It prints money!" capability of the Wii).

I think Sony and Microsoft already responded by laughing their collective asses off and prepare the victory parties when the PS4 and new xbox get launched. With the Wii U Nintendo is catching up the xbox and PS3, what will their response be to the PS4 and new xbox?

The wiimote was revolutionary tech, even with its semi-reputation for gimmicky and forced implementations. But regardless of that both MS and Sony recognized it for what it was and jumped on the technology themselves.

However, I think Fils-Aime's challenge would have carried more weight if they could point to some games using their new special controller in some really captivating and innovative ways. It may be a useful media tool, but is it revolutionary game technology? Penny Arcade's Game Master suggestion is the best I've seen so far, but the proof is in the pudding. If Nintendo can pull this off than MS and Sony will no doubt play catch up again . . . but otherwise I think the Wii U will be remembered as Nintendo's attempt to catch up to MS and Sony.

So its not Wii U that's catching up to PS3 and X360?

Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3...

What else did I forget?

FelixG:

Kroxile:
I don't get it when he says "they will respond to us this time" I mean, didn't they respond to the Wii by stealing its gimmick? Kinect is a glorified full body wii mote with only half the functionality. And the PS move IS a wii mote.

Something tells me that PS4 and NextBox will release some kind of BS peripheral that costs an arm and a leg that no one in their right mind would pay for in order to give their customers the "Wii U experience" Microsoft/Sony edition.

Microsoft stole Sonys eye toy gimmick which predated the Wii gimmick by a fair bit.

OT:

Fils-Aime has some harsh words for Sony and Microsoft regarding their next consoles, which will likely be more traditional than Nintendo's Wii U. "In the end, our competitors need to react to what we're doing in the marketplace and need to figure out what their innovation will be," says Fils-Aime.

Oh more traditional? Like just being a damn machine I can play my games on without a lot of gimmicks and such?

Yes please!

They "need to figure out what their innovation will be?" Nintendo, there comes a time when people need to be told to stop. This is that time. WE JUST WANT TO PLAY GAMES. WE DON'T WANT YOUR MULTISCREEN BULLSHIT, THAT ONLY WORKED WITH THE DS BECAUSE THEY WERE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. YOU ARE NOT INNOVATORS, YOU ARE PRODUCERS OF VERY EXPENSIVE GIMMICKS.

Caps for EMPHASIS.

:( Can we stop trying to shove more polygons down my throat and get back to making omfgamazing games, please? I mean, updated graphics are cool and all, but when did that start being the defining line between "good" brown game and "bad" brown game?

Also man, I'm glad critickitty linked the actual quote. Spin makes me even more sad than arguing which console has the longest stream of piss.

Ah, hell, it's just going to be a sad sort of week. I can feel it. -_-

Bad mouthing Nintendo is like disrespecting your grandfather. It's rude, ungrateful and you wouldn't be where you are today without him. Remember Nintendo brought the industry back to life after it crashed in the early 80's.

I'm not saying you have to run out and prostrate yourselves at the foot of a Nintendo shrine, but you don't have to hate them just because they released a new system that you don't like. Your own opinion is very important, but it doesn't need to be hateful.

Sure it may be under-powered and a little buggy, but the games are fun and the controller is neat.

God I love posts like this, it's the perfect way to get people riled up and display their true ignorance when it comes to whats going on in the console market. It's like many of you didn't even know the wii completely blew the PS3 and Xbox out of the water, at some point early on it was selling better then both those consoles combined! ouch!

Reggie may be an egotistical douche, and the wiibrand might be my most hated of all Nintendo consoles, but credit where credit is due. The guy has every reason to be optimistic, and as time always tells, Nintendo pulls through. Complain all you want about how underpowered the wiiU is, but the wii beat the other guys while also packing less power. That's a little detail a lot of you seem to keep forgetting, conveniently enough. When the 720 and PS4 appear, they will be vastly more powerful, but on what basis does that make you think they will "win"? Especially when their predecessors essentially "lost" while having the same advantage?

Shadow-Phoenix:
Microsoft hype up Glass and it's connectivity with phones and tablets as if it's the greatest innovation ever while continuing with the failure Kinect.

I'm wondering how you measure failure. the Kinect has sold 18 million units. seems like a decent success to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the kinect, I think it's stupid, but 18 fucking million.

ProtonGuy:
Bad mouthing Nintendo is like disrespecting your grandfather. It's rude, ungrateful and you wouldn't be where you are today without him. Remember Nintendo brought the industry back to life after it crashed in the early 80's.

I'm not saying you have to run out and prostrate yourselves at the foot of a Nintendo shrine, but you don't have to hate them just because they released a new system that you don't like. Your own opinion is very important, but it doesn't need to be hateful.

Sure it may be under-powered and a little buggy, but the games are fun and the controller is neat.

This is the site that belongs to Yahtzee, a lot of people just parrot his opinions.

OT: I love how a lot of people think the PS4 and 720 will blow the Wii U out of the water but let's get real here, Microsoft and Sony will go fucking bankrupt if they release a new console now. The PS3 is easily the most powerful this generation but it was two years before it started getting sales because it literally had no exclusive games and was priced at [b]$600/b]. With that price, you could buy three Wiis.

Also, they're trying to adapt 360 games onto a WiiU when the games were not designed for them. I love how the majority seem to have forgotten about the 360's launch list consisted of stuff from the previous console generation and the 360 did nothing to make the games look any better than the previous consoles.

Good job on doing your research guys. You may call me a fanboy (Which I kind of am, Nintendo is the reason we have video games today) but don't be ignorant to other console fails because they weren't Nintendo.

Darmy647:
Extreme gaming PC. Now im buying a Wii U. Why? So i have everything. "what about the xbox and playstation console?" Who needs them? Superior PC.

That is kinda my thinking as well. The Wii and WiiU as gimmicky as they are at least provide a different experience. However, if this console cycle has taught me anything, its that BOTH Sony and Microsoft have developed some pretty bad habits that are turning their once great systems into nothing more than crap PC's.

People, the WiiU isn't just catching up with the 360 and PS3. The WiiU is technically more powerful than both of those systems combined. That power isn't going to graphics, it is going to better data transfer between media and output.

Graphically systems are at a point where I do think they are believable in some games.

While the WiiU is technically superior to the 360 and the PS3, they are all nothing compared to my PC. Also, my PC is a lot more functional than the 360 or the PS3.

I will be getting a WiiU because I like exclusives. Not just exclusive titles, but exclusive experiences. This is why I thought the PSP was meh, but the Vita intrigues me. The Vita offers an experience I cannot get anywhere else. But I can't justify getting one, because I'm not going to drop $300 to play a single game.

I have a PS3, and my gaming library has shrunk down to a handful of games. mainly ones that are "Only on Playstation" or games that didn't come out on PC (Asura's Wrath). Most of the games I don't care for have been traded in and others were repurchased on PC. I still have my PS3 because there are a few experiences I cannot get on the PC.

I used to have a 360, but I saw no reason to hold onto it as the majority of games I wanted to play were cross platform with PS3 and others were PS3 exclusives. I do like the Kinect because of the unique experience it offers, but I'm not going to drop hundreds of dollars to play Dance Central. I have the Wii, I'll play Just Dance.

If Microsoft's and Sony's gaming divisions want to get me interested in the 720 or PS4, they have to offer me more than one game. They need to do something I cannot do on my PC and enough of it to warrant me dropping money on it. Unless they do I'm happy with PC + WiiU.

And Super HD WiiU isn't a unique experience. That's why the Move was nothing but fail. And a better responding Kinect isn't going to convince me.

And I know that I said I can't get a console for a single game, but every rule has an exception. Whoever gets Kingdom Hearts 3 is the console I'm going to get. PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, 3DS. I got all of those. Kingdom Hearts is one of the things I would consider a unique experience that for me is worth getting. I am that invested in the universe. If it is on the PS3 or WiiU, horray for me. If it is on the PS4 or 720, I'll bite the bullet. However, if the series doesn't stop at 3, I'm done.

Yes, they must respond, with laughter. whne your "next gen" console is worse than our "current gen" consoles, i dont really see they should even acknowledge it. maybe they shoudl take note because after all there were 400.000 stupid people in 1 week.

ProtonGuy:
Bad mouthing Nintendo is like disrespecting your grandfather. It's rude, ungrateful and you wouldn't be where you are today without him. Remember Nintendo brought the industry back to life after it crashed in the early 80's.

I'm not saying you have to run out and prostrate yourselves at the foot of a Nintendo shrine, but you don't have to hate them just because they released a new system that you don't like. Your own opinion is very important, but it doesn't need to be hateful.

Sure it may be under-powered and a little buggy, but the games are fun and the controller is neat.

Granddad may have fought well back in 'nam, but what's he done lately that shows he doesn't belong in a retirement home? Your metaphor is flawed anyway--it implies that respect for your elders and relatives must be absolute.

I've never seen the obvious stated more clearly.

A lot of my friends got Wii U's and were really excited, though I fail to see why. I rarely judge systems on their initial launch - I'll wait a few years to see what they have to offer us after they've exhausted Mario/Zelda/Metroid titles.

I only just now started using my 3DS and Vita more regularly. I'm pretty sure the system would just sit somewhere on my entertainment center, unused, for the same amount of time.

The Lunatic:
They already have, with the current generation.

Welcome to the seventh generation Nintendo.

Well, the article did point out they were the last to make it to this generation. They kinda neglected to say they hadn't gotten there until now. :p

CriticKitten:

Pardon me for being crazy, but isn't that how every company should approach their business strategy? Namely, by saying "okay, here's our product, let's see what our opponents can do now"? And being part of a large popular company, wouldn't you want your figureheads making positive statements and oozing confidence about your new product?

Not really, sometimes it's better for the company to keep their mouth shut, sure you want to look confident in your new product, but this certainly wasn't that. Maybe he should have kept the statement to "Here's our product." That way, you don't get somebody with superior games and hardware laughing at you because you wanted to challenge them.

MASTACHIEFPWN:
Am I the only one who thinks they are going to lose a huge demographic with the Wii U? I mean, they lost the "I just bought this for Wii sports and Mario Cart" People without motion control.

I believe you should rethink that checkmate you just blurted out, mr.readybody.

I don't think it's much of a loss, seeing as the wii was barely profitable per unit, and those people tend to have 1 or 2 games.
In fact, the average number of games per wii unit sold, worldwide, is less than 2.

By that reckoning, the wii was a terrible failure.

A non returning customer is just someone who tried your product and decided it's crap.

Darmy647:
Dude. Its the escapist. Nintendo is shit talked in every way possible. They are RIGHT up there with EA in shit talk. Poor guys.

What can I say? The Escapist know their core demographic well and cater to it. ;)

Agreed though, I dont think the comments made are deliberately gauntlet-slap-in-the-face stuff, not even remotely harsh, hes simply made a logical statement. Personally I dont rate the WiiU and doubt it will hold a candle to Microsoft and Sony's respective answers but time will tell I guess.

Lol they are getting cocky, INB4 S&M smash Nintendo when they release their consoles. I feel bad for them....Not really I lied.

AzrealMaximillion:
So with all of those sold out pre-order the new Wii U sold 200,000 less than the Wii in week one?

Yeah, this basically confirms that Nintendo is limiting the supply to create demand once again. There's no other reason for the sales to be one third less than its predecessor when they were touting sold out pre-orders so hard.

Yep. 475,000 - 400,000 = 200,000. Math sure looks like that.

DrunkOnEstus:
Basically, these ports aren't telling us all that much at all, but note this: Even if they look slightly worse now, or run slightly worse, the 360 and PS3 versions can't mirror the freaking game inside of the controller or send UI elements to it. This is the hand they're dealing.

Why does it sound to me like you think that controller is some sort of a great innovation and improvement to the gaming experience?

The WiiU will thrive of the same niche the wii was filling. It will print lots of money for them, "hardcore gamers" will likely be dissapointed.

The Wii had it's fair share of excellent games, but critics mostly focus on the shovelware and sequels. If the WiiU has at least that many good games i might consider buying it too.

Nintendo's key advantage is still that the barrier to developing for their consoles, in pure money terms, are extremely low, and their lot-check (the internal testing department which makes sure games fulfill certain standards and don't break their console) arbitrary enough for an extremely lucky but insanely untalented and cheap developer to slip through somehow.

Darmy647:
Extreme gaming PC. Now im buying a Wii U. Why? So i have everything. "what about the xbox and playstation console?" Who needs them? Superior PC.

Well, it could be that, you know, there are many great games on the 360 and PS3 that aren't on the PC or Wii U?

CriticKitten:

Imagine if he'd come out and said this instead: "Hey guys! We released a buggy console with very few games and a gimmick that causes a lot of processor bottlenecking. We're pretty sure Sony and Microsoft are going to kick our asses this time!"

Do you want your company's American division president saying that? Uh, probably not.

Then maybe he should keep his mouth shut? Radical concept, I know, but this is kinda begging for ridicule.

Myndnix:
Yes, Nintendo's competitors must respond to their new and buggy console with no good games, tons of gimmicks, and severely outdated hardware.
It's like shooting yourself in the foot then saying "What're you going to do about it?" I'd take you to a hospital, Nintendo.

*Staggers down the street with half a foot.

"What you gonna do? Come at me bro."

Collapses.

"I think he's dying of blood loss."

"Should we take him to the hospital?"

"Nah, let him die."*

But seriously, this is moronic. You released first Nintendo. Big whoop. Your new innovation? Asymetric control systems in the form of yet another fucking gimmick disguised as innovation. You've got two screens? Big fucking whoop. I've got a television big enough to do that without a clumsy tablet warming my crotch. That's really nothing to be proud of, and there's good reason your stocks took a hit after you announced it. Sony and Microsoft will just release as they've already planned. Planning around your floundering corpse isn't going to stop them. The audience who you'll get with a gimmick, is not the same as the one who is happy just playing games, and the other consoles have the capability to offer better ones.

And, as many have pointed out: Congratulations Nintendo! You've just managed to be the first to the next generation... with the capabilities of the last generation, not overlong before the predicted release of your competitors consoles. Well done.

Reggie: "It's likely that faster processors and pretty pictures won't be enough to motivate consumers."
Everyone else: "It's likely that more gimmicky gimmicks, and more excellently executed rehashes of classics, coupled with buggy shovelware, won't be enough to motivate customers."

ProtonGuy:
Bad mouthing Nintendo is like disrespecting your grandfather. It's rude, ungrateful and you wouldn't be where you are today without him. Remember Nintendo brought the industry back to life after it crashed in the early 80's.

I'm not saying you have to run out and prostrate yourselves at the foot of a Nintendo shrine, but you don't have to hate them just because they released a new system that you don't like. Your own opinion is very important, but it doesn't need to be hateful.

Sure it may be under-powered and a little buggy, but the games are fun and the controller is neat.

Then again, if your grandfather is a racist, homophobic, wife beating, abusive wanker who shows you no respect, but did the service of serving in World War 2, he doesn't get extra credit and consideration for that. You still notice the shit he's pulling.

It's a silly analogy. You can respect Nintendo for what they were, and to some extent, still are, and still despise the WiiU, or any other system.

They did respond, 5 years ago when your "new" technology was current gen and not aging.

The Wii U doesn't have appeal, its going to flop.

Azuaron:

AzrealMaximillion:
So with all of those sold out pre-order the new Wii U sold 200,000 less than the Wii in week one?

Yeah, this basically confirms that Nintendo is limiting the supply to create demand once again. There's no other reason for the sales to be one third less than its predecessor when they were touting sold out pre-orders so hard.

Yep. 475,000 - 400,000 = 200,000. Math sure looks like that.

Conflicts with this link kind of http://www.flesheatingzipper.com/gaming/2012/11/wii-u-first-week-sales-on-the-light-side-down-33-from-wii-launch/

So either the Wii, on its 8th day after launch sold an additional 125,000 units (which would mean that 1 sixth of its launch sales came in the 8th day after launch, which would be odd), or one of the articles is wrong. Judging by the fact that your link goes to an Escapist article that throws the 475,000 Wii launch number out of nowhere (with the CNET link in that very article not mentioning that the Wii's launch sold 475,000 at all) I'd say that the 475,000 number is wrong considering there is no source for it for some reason.

So my point still stands.

EDIT:This link also shows that the original sales launch number of the Wii was 600,000 and not 475,000
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/wii-u-sells-400-000-units-in-first-week/

The Lunatic:
They already have, with the current generation.

Welcome to the seventh generation Nintendo.

Exactly. Reggie's comments are a joke. The Wii U isnt something that Xbox and the PS3 have to respond to, because its honestly only a response to THEM.

ProtonGuy:
Bad mouthing Nintendo is like disrespecting your grandfather. It's rude, ungrateful and you wouldn't be where you are today without him. Remember Nintendo brought the industry back to life after it crashed in the early 80's.

I'm not saying you have to run out and prostrate yourselves at the foot of a Nintendo shrine, but you don't have to hate them just because they released a new system that you don't like. Your own opinion is very important, but it doesn't need to be hateful.

Sure it may be under-powered and a little buggy, but the games are fun and the controller is neat.

Thats all well and good, but when Reggie goes about trying to "call out" the other consoles, that changes the nature of things. What he is doing is akin to bringing a slingshot to a gunfight.

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