Nintendo President Says Competitors Must Respond to Wii U

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Shadow-Phoenix:

That's all good and all but what exactly are you wanting from me or wanting me to say?.

I like the Wii U and the other consoles so I'm not exactly going to just shit on one while praising "domincance" over the other...

I'm saying that the 7-year-old Firestone Tire of the console market is still selling well enough to compete with "new" hardware. The Wii U isn't taking any appreciable numbers away from Sony or Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft can literally sit on their ass pushing PS3s and XBAWKS360s for another three years or so.

The point is that neither Sony or Microsoft have to respond to shit.

Crono1973:

Baresark:

AzrealMaximillion:
So with all of those sold out pre-order the new Wii U sold 200,000 less than the Wii in week one?

Yeah, this basically confirms that Nintendo is limiting the supply to create demand once again. There's no other reason for the sales to be one third less than its predecessor when they were touting sold out pre-orders so hard.

The mere limit of a product does not increase demand. The supply/demand interaction only affects prices. A shortage of consoles does not increase the price for Nintendo. They have no reason to purposely shortfall supply as there being less of them does no increase the price, so they are therefore hurting themselves by not having adequate supply. I'm just saying as it makes no sense for them purposely have a shortage. Oil companies claim peak oil because it allows them to raise prices. Antiques are expensive because there is not a large supply of a given item and it's rarity increases the value. There is no value increase for Nintendo to have less than an adequate supply.

A shortage creates hype and makes people more willing to impulse buy if they find one on the shelves.

That is simply not true. A shortage has nothing to do with hype, and people cannot impulse buy if they are not available. Impulse buying is only available with a supply surplus. The amount of people who want them outweighs the supply currently, therefore they are hurting themselves by not having enough units available.

Baresark:

Crono1973:

Baresark:

The mere limit of a product does not increase demand. The supply/demand interaction only affects prices. A shortage of consoles does not increase the price for Nintendo. They have no reason to purposely shortfall supply as there being less of them does no increase the price, so they are therefore hurting themselves by not having adequate supply. I'm just saying as it makes no sense for them purposely have a shortage. Oil companies claim peak oil because it allows them to raise prices. Antiques are expensive because there is not a large supply of a given item and it's rarity increases the value. There is no value increase for Nintendo to have less than an adequate supply.

A shortage creates hype and makes people more willing to impulse buy if they find one on the shelves.

That is simply not true. A shortage has nothing to do with hype, and people cannot impulse buy if they are not available. Impulse buying is only available with a supply surplus. The amount of people who want them outweighs the supply currently, therefore they are hurting themselves by not having enough units available.

You don't know what an impulse buy is, do you?

It means that if a person is in a store and they see a WiiU on the shelves and if they know they are in short supply, they are more likely to buy it even if they had no plans to when they got to the store.

Is he not aware of the 5 GB mandatory update for the console? Is he not aware that if the power is lost during this update people have a $300+ brick?

And since this console is as powerful as this generation, shouldn't Nintendo keep playing catchup? Sony and Microsoft are currently working on more powerful consoles, which again, leaves Nintendo a step behind in terms of hardware.

CrossLOPER:
I'm sure that Sony and Microsoft will find a market in those who want to play something other than Mario and Zelda rehash, like those who want Halo and Modern Warfare and Battlefield rehash.

Mario, I can understand. Zelda? Ha, ha, ha... NO. The closest that series ever got to a rehash was when Ocarina of Time got a sequel in the form of Majora's Mask. And we all know how that game still wows people to this day, and how different it is.

I wonder about the mentality of those who look at something like The Wind Waker, which was followed up by Twilight Princess three years later, and somehow can't tell the difference.

Azuaron:

AzrealMaximillion:

Azuaron:

Yep. 475,000 - 400,000 = 200,000. Math sure looks like that.

Conflicts with this link kind of http://www.flesheatingzipper.com/gaming/2012/11/wii-u-first-week-sales-on-the-light-side-down-33-from-wii-launch/

So either the Wii, on its 8th day after launch sold an additional 125,000 units (which would mean that 1 sixth of its launch sales came in the 8th day after launch, which would be odd), or one of the articles is wrong. Judging by the fact that your link goes to an Escapist article that throws the 475,000 Wii launch number out of nowhere (with the CNET link in that very article not mentioning that the Wii's launch sold 475,000 at all) I'd say that the 475,000 number is wrong considering there is no source for it for some reason.

So my point still stands.

EDIT:This link also shows that the original sales launch number of the Wii was 600,000 and not 475,000
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/26/wii-u-sells-400-000-units-in-first-week/

According to the NPD Group, the Wii sold 475,000 in its first seven days.

So, what we have is the difference between a company bragging about how well their product is doing immediately after launch vs. an independent entity researching what actually happened after enough time had passed to be sure.

I'm sticking with the independent entity.

Let me just say this. This 600,000 number is a quote from Reggie Fils-Aime.

So you can trust that NPD Group or you can trust the guy who runs the North America side of Nintendo. And considering that (as pointed out by another person) you yourself have reason to mistrust the NPD, I'd suggest taking Reggie's word for the Wii's 2006 launch sales.

CriticKitten:
Yes, which is throwing down a gauntlet HOW?

As previously established, this is EXACTLY how PR people are told to speak.
1) Introduce your product.
2) Present what you feel is the right product for the consumer, given the modern market.
3) Express confidence in your vision and look forward to competition, having faith that you've presented the right product.

That is NOT the same thing as issuing a challenge to Sony or Microsoft and saying "we made the best thing ever, and you guys are totally on notice right now". What he said wasn't a challenge so much as stating the obvious: now that Nintendo has presented and released a new product, Sony and Microsoft will inevitably need to decide what they intend to do in response. This isn't a bold statement of bravado, it's common fucking sense as spoken through ordinary positive PR spin.

Don't be bullheaded about this and pretend that Nintendo's American branch president is somehow behaving abnormally and issuing 'challenges' when no such thing has actually occurred. I'll continue to "talk shit" so long as you continue to insist (wrongly) that this is anything other than the normal positive PR, the same kind that literally every other company uses.

"Our competitors need to react to what we're doing in the marketplace and need to figure out what their innovation will be", ""They need to react to what we've done" is saying Microsoft and Sony NEED to respond to them, THAT is throwing down a gauntlet, it IS a challenge.
Your three points are great, and It'd be fine IF they just did those, but as I pointed out they also called out their competition.
By the way, where in your points is "talk to/about competition"?

I shall respond to the Wii U by pointing and giggling before going back to my PC and playing awesome gam...

...what's that topic down there..."Intel Strategy Shuts Out PC Enthusiasts"? Oh of all the...

Crono1973:

Baresark:
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You don't know what an impulse buy is, do you?

It means that if a person is in a store and they see a WiiU on the shelves and if they know they are in short supply, they are more likely to buy it even if they had no plans to when they got to the store.

No, an impulse buy has nothing to do with there being a shortage. An impulse buy, for example, is the candy in the checkout isle at the store. You are standing in line waiting and there is a pack of M&M's. You didn't plan on buying those, but there they are staring you right in the face and you buy them.

CrossLOPER:

Shadow-Phoenix:

That's all good and all but what exactly are you wanting from me or wanting me to say?.

I like the Wii U and the other consoles so I'm not exactly going to just shit on one while praising "domincance" over the other...

I'm saying that the 7-year-old Firestone Tire of the console market is still selling well enough to compete with "new" hardware. The Wii U isn't taking any appreciable numbers away from Sony or Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft can literally sit on their ass pushing PS3s and XBAWKS360s for another three years or so.

The point is that neither Sony or Microsoft have to respond to shit.

You know that old consoles routinely outsell new consoles, until the new ones get time to become established, right?

The PS2 routinely outsold the PS3 during the last years of its life by a number of millions. Did that somehow take away from the momentum of the PS3? Seeing as it still got the likes of Killzone 2, Uncharted and God of War 3, I'd argue not...

Baresark:

Crono1973:

Baresark:
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You don't know what an impulse buy is, do you?

It means that if a person is in a store and they see a WiiU on the shelves and if they know they are in short supply, they are more likely to buy it even if they had no plans to when they got to the store.

No, an impulse buy has nothing to do with there being a shortage. An impulse buy, for example, is the candy in the checkout isle at the store. You are standing in line waiting and there is a pack of M&M's. You didn't plan on buying those, but there they are staring you right in the face and you buy them.

Wrong again. I myself bought a Wii as an impulse buy, when it was on shortage. I bought it and a LoZ Twilight Princess and No More Heroes. I bought it because it was available at the time and I knew that if I didn't buy it then, it'd have to wait an unknown amount of time before I could get my hands on one. With the money I had at the time I could have bought a 360 or PS3, but I chose the Wii because it was hyped as the next big thing, and none of my friends had one so I didn't have any idea of how it actually played. it sounded freaking cool.

And impulse buy can by caused by limited supply. That really can't be disputed. Not saying that the sole reason for an impulse buy is short supply, but short supply can be a massive factor as it was for the Wii.

The only reason that the short supply won't cause impluse buys for the Wii U is because the Wii U doesn't have the Wii's hype.

Lugbzurg:
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They all follow an extremely familiar formula.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
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I think that saying that the Wii U is the PS3 of 2012 is fairly accurate, yes.

AzrealMaximillion:

And impulse buy can by caused by limited supply. That really can't be disputed. Not saying that the sole reason for an impulse buy is short supply, but short supply can be a massive factor as it was for the Wii.

The only reason that the short supply won't cause impluse buys for the Wii U is because the Wii U doesn't have the Wii's hype.

For an impulse buy to take place, there has to be product in stock for you to buy in the first place. An impulse buy cannot happen if shops are sold out of the very item you've developed an interest in.

Your anecdotal story is interesting. You impulse bought a Nintendo Wii, as well as No More Heroes, meaning you must have bought it some time in 2008 or after. The Wii launched in 2006. Whatever shortages there were at the start of its life, they'd long been sorted out by the time the thing was two years old. So yeah, your example doesn't really show anything. As I said, there has to be stock for an impulse purchase to take place. You cannot impulsively buy empty shelf space.

ProtonGuy:
Bad mouthing Nintendo is like disrespecting your grandfather. It's rude, ungrateful and you wouldn't be where you are today without him. Remember Nintendo brought the industry back to life after it crashed in the early 80's.

And it paid its way out of trouble in the early 1990's. Perhaps you're a bit young to remember. I'm also aware that just about every company today is guilty of wrongdoing:
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/11/business/nintendo-to-pay-25-million-in-rebates-on-price-fixing.html

That being said, I look forward to getting a WiiU. It sounds like you already have one. If so, good for you man.

Baresark:

Crono1973:

Baresark:
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You don't know what an impulse buy is, do you?

It means that if a person is in a store and they see a WiiU on the shelves and if they know they are in short supply, they are more likely to buy it even if they had no plans to when they got to the store.

No, an impulse buy has nothing to do with there being a shortage. An impulse buy, for example, is the candy in the checkout isle at the store. You are standing in line waiting and there is a pack of M&M's. You didn't plan on buying those, but there they are staring you right in the face and you buy them.

I said that people are more willing to impulse buy when they know there is a shortage and I stand by that.

Terramax:

Darmy647:
Extreme gaming PC. Now im buying a Wii U. Why? So i have everything. "what about the xbox and playstation console?" Who needs them? Superior PC.

Well, it could be that, you know, there are many great games on the 360 and PS3 that aren't on the PC or Wii U?

You sure? *looks over the list* Hmmm...I seem to literally have almost everything...Then again, I own every console that's out to date, Even though my 360 never gets used, its actually getting more dust than my Wii. Just not enough Solo games on there =/. I mean solo games that are xbox only, not cross platform with PC. If someone suggests halo 4's campaign to me i will throw an elderly man into on coming traffic.

Well, I have a brand new black 32 gig WiiU. And I wasn't even on a pre-order!

Life is good. I'm temporarily overwhelmed by its new controller, and have to find a sd card to get my Wii save files over there. Next up, Zombie U.

Am curious what Sony and Microsoft have in store when they eventually release their consoles. Also what weird, entertaining games come out as a result.

Warachia:
"Our competitors need to react to what we're doing in the marketplace and need to figure out what their innovation will be", ""They need to react to what we've done" is saying Microsoft and Sony NEED to respond to them, THAT is throwing down a gauntlet, it IS a challenge.

No, it's a statement of fact.

When your competitor does something that could potentially compromise your market share, you are obligated to respond in some manner, even if the response is "do nothing and hope that it doesn't eat up our market share" (which is usually the worst option, just ask Blockbuster how that worked out for them).

Your three points are great, and It'd be fine IF they just did those, but as I pointed out they also called out their competition.
By the way, where in your points is "talk to/about competition"?

I thought point 3 was very clear in pointing out that you a) express confidence in your product and b) compare it to your competitors' products.

This is no more of a gauntlet throw-down than any other generic advertisement. For example, stating a line like "Juicy Juice has 10% more concentrated juice than other leading brands!" in your commercials isn't exactly the same as Juicy Juice's employees talking to reporters about how they think their competitor's products taste like piss water.

At no point did Reggie say something like "Oh yeah, we just made the greatest console ever! We're totally gonna kick your asses this time around, Microsoft/Sony! You should stop making things that are pretty and start making more kickass gear like us, brah! Tubular!". He said "our competitor is going to have to respond to what we've presented, and we believe that simply having the best graphics won't be enough this time". That's a very diplomatic way of saying "we're confident in what we've made, and we think our product is the best on the market", which is how you want your company's executives to say and believe.

And for what it's worth, he's probably right: the PS3 and 360 had far superior graphics to the Wii but were beat out by a lower price mark and competitive brand marketing. And in the modern gaming market with such a poor economy, graphics alone will likely not be enough to sell people on a console, they'll be looking at a lot of factors, price being a big one (and one that MS and Sony both screwed up last time). And Nintendo is clearly trying to appeal to that same demographic with the Wii U, while bringing back third party support in the hopes of dragging back "hardcore" gamers as well. MS and Sony WILL have to respond to the Wii U at some stage, unless they want to gamble on the possibility that no one will buy it. And I dunno about them but that's not a gamble I would make.

AzrealMaximillion:

Baresark:

Crono1973:

You don't know what an impulse buy is, do you?

It means that if a person is in a store and they see a WiiU on the shelves and if they know they are in short supply, they are more likely to buy it even if they had no plans to when they got to the store.

No, an impulse buy has nothing to do with there being a shortage. An impulse buy, for example, is the candy in the checkout isle at the store. You are standing in line waiting and there is a pack of M&M's. You didn't plan on buying those, but there they are staring you right in the face and you buy them.

Wrong again. I myself bought a Wii as an impulse buy, when it was on shortage. I bought it and a LoZ Twilight Princess and No More Heroes. I bought it because it was available at the time and I knew that if I didn't buy it then, it'd have to wait an unknown amount of time before I could get my hands on one. With the money I had at the time I could have bought a 360 or PS3, but I chose the Wii because it was hyped as the next big thing, and none of my friends had one so I didn't have any idea of how it actually played. it sounded freaking cool.

And impulse buy can by caused by limited supply. That really can't be disputed. Not saying that the sole reason for an impulse buy is short supply, but short supply can be a massive factor as it was for the Wii.

The only reason that the short supply won't cause impluse buys for the Wii U is because the Wii U doesn't have the Wii's hype.

I don't know where you get your ideas from, but an impulse buy has nothing to do with supply at all. An impulse buy is simply an item you buy on the fly without any prior plans to buy it. You did not just describe to me an impulse buy. You sound as if you planned on buying it already and the fact that there was a shortage made you buy it that one time. That is not an impulse buy though.

You say it cannot be disputed that shortages cause impulse buying, but you have shown zero evidence to corroborate what you are saying. You have simply asserted, without evidence, that shortages cause impulse buying.

Crono1973:

Baresark:

Crono1973:

You don't know what an impulse buy is, do you?

It means that if a person is in a store and they see a WiiU on the shelves and if they know they are in short supply, they are more likely to buy it even if they had no plans to when they got to the store.

No, an impulse buy has nothing to do with there being a shortage. An impulse buy, for example, is the candy in the checkout isle at the store. You are standing in line waiting and there is a pack of M&M's. You didn't plan on buying those, but there they are staring you right in the face and you buy them.

I said that people are more willing to impulse buy when they know there is a shortage and I stand by that.

By the very definition of what impulse buying is, there is no more or less willing involved because that implies forethought. If there is forethought, there is no impulse buy. Any impulse action means that there was no plan to buy said item.

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I'll admit, I lol-ed..

Warachia:
NO IT IS NOT. Microsoft and Sony can simply choose to do nothing, they do NOT NEED TO RESPOND. Saying they must respond to what you've done is challenging them to respond to what they've done.

No, it's a statement of fact.

Really, this isn't that complicated. A business is obligated to respond to a competitor's move if the competitor has just done something that might eat away at their market share. That's common sense, a fact of the business world, and a fact of life. A company who sees a competitor make a major move and "chooses to do nothing" is by default still responsing, they're just responding with inaction. Which, historically, is just the absolute dumbest response and often wheels back to bite major corporations in the ass.

Sony isn't exactly in the driver's seat right now financially, and Microsoft is still losing money in its entertainment section as well. Neither of these companies can afford to do absolutely nothing while their competitor rolls out a new product that could further reduce their already weakened market shares.

I should not need to explain this, when you address your competition you are challenging them, that is a fact.

No, it's not. Plain and simple. If you live in a world where everything is a challenge, maybe your statement would be true, but that's not reality.

I call bullshit, NOWHERE in your points do you ever say you should compare it to your competitors, let's look at them:
1) Introduce your product.
2) Present what you feel is the right product for the consumer, given the modern market.
3) Express confidence in your vision and look forward to competition, having faith that you've presented the right product.
NONE OF THESE says to compare it to others, or to even address your competition.

Expressing that you "look forward to competition" is inevitably going to lead to comparisons between their products. Honestly, do you know anything about how a business works or operates?

This is different, this is like Burger King saying they put more meat on their burgers, so MacDonald's needs to respond, that is a challenge in the same way this is.

That isn't a challenge either. It's a measurable statement, based on a comparison of the products. You don't seem to understand the difference. >_>

You're right, he never said that, which is why I never acted like he did, by the way, "our competitor is going to have to respond to what we've presented, and we believe that simply having the best graphics won't be enough this time" DOES NOT mean what you think it means, it means "Our competitors are now going to have to do something different to keep up with us". Which IS challenging them to do something different.

As previously established, not every statement made about a competitor is a direct business challenge. And you really, really don't seem to understand that there is a difference between a business challenge and a PR statement.

The Wii sold more consoles and had a larger initial audience, but suffered in the long run because it ended up picking up the casual gamer market, and casual gamers don't buy a lot of games, eventually the hardcore gamers mostly went to Microsoft and Sony, and quite a few casual gamers left for iPhone games, This is why the Wii isn't doing as well in it's later life then in its earlier life, whereas Microsoft and Sony are still doing pretty fine, the big question is if (and how) Nintendo can avoid doing this with the Wii U.

The Nintendo Wii dug its competitors into such a deep financial hole that they are both still climbing out of it, with Sony in particularly deep financial straits due to other bad business moves that have likely put a pause on its next gen console. And the Wii so firmly outstripped its competitors that they still haven't caught up in total unit sales. Still. Six years later.

As to the assertion that the Wii was just a fad and no longer sells games because "casuals have all long moved on", 6 of the top 20 games on the Wii's roster were released between 2010 and the present day. This narrative is just false, the Wii still sells games even now.

The only reason that the Wii isn't selling as many consoles as it did is a simple matter of oversaturation. It's sold so darn many (a little over 97 million units) that there just aren't a lot of people left to sell them to. Almost everyone who was even remotely curious about the system and was thinking of getting one has already bought one, that doesn't leave a lot of people to sell to. But the Wii is still having no problem selling games and accessories, and since the Wii U is backwards compatible with both, I imagine neither of these things will be dying down just yet.

Now that's out of the way, you're right when you say graphics can't sell a console any more, I don't know if Microsoft intends to do anything, but Sony already has with the PSVita, you can use it's cross-play feature to play games on your PS3, and it can do more than the Wii U's controller can.

I imagine it would have to. Because in order to utilize cross-play, you need to buy two separate systems, each costing $250, for a combined total of $500. And that doesn't include the fact that you need to buy the game on both systems, either.

PS Cross-Play: $500 + $60 per game
Nintendo Wii U: $250 + $60 per game

So given that Cross-Play costs twice as much as a Wii U to start off, I'd kind of expect it to do more, otherwise it's a complete waste of money. While Cross-Play is certainly more attractive to someone who already has one or both systems, it's not hard to figure out which of these things a brand new consumer is more likely to gravitate towards, especially since they're otherwise very much comparable design schemes in terms of hardware.

As for Microsoft, rumor suggests that the next XBox will probably be bundled with Kinect 2.0, which (at least to me) sounds like doubling down on failure. But to each their own (broken camera gimmick), I suppose.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

AzrealMaximillion:

And impulse buy can by caused by limited supply. That really can't be disputed. Not saying that the sole reason for an impulse buy is short supply, but short supply can be a massive factor as it was for the Wii.

The only reason that the short supply won't cause impluse buys for the Wii U is because the Wii U doesn't have the Wii's hype.

For an impulse buy to take place, there has to be product in stock for you to buy in the first place. An impulse buy cannot happen if shops are sold out of the very item you've developed an interest in.

Your anecdotal story is interesting. You impulse bought a Nintendo Wii, as well as No More Heroes, meaning you must have bought it some time in 2008 or after. The Wii launched in 2006. Whatever shortages there were at the start of its life, they'd long been sorted out by the time the thing was two years old. So yeah, your example doesn't really show anything. As I said, there has to be stock for an impulse purchase to take place. You cannot impulsively buy empty shelf space.

Again, an impulse buy doesn't need to be on the shelf in order to happen. Impulse buys are based on feelings, not whether or not the item in question is on the shelf. We live in the world or pre-orders on online shopping, shelves don't reallt need to be filled these days for impulse buys to happen.

As for my Wii purchase, I was in the right place at the right time with enough money. Wii's were sold out up to 3 years after launch, not two. I can tell you this as when I got my own, I had purchased the second last one. This was also after calling different stores and being told that they were out week after week.

Baresark:

I don't know where you get your ideas from, but an impulse buy has nothing to do with supply at all. An impulse buy is simply an item you buy on the fly without any prior plans to buy it.

People are more likely to make an impulse purchase if they know that the item is in shortage. That much is true.

Didn't Microsoft already respond with their "Smartglass" or whatever you call it?

Kroxile:

Something tells me that PS4 and NextBox will release some kind of BS peripheral that costs an arm and a leg that no one in their right mind would pay for in order to give their customers the "Wii U experience" Microsoft/Sony edition.

The funny thing is that with the Vita, Sony already basically has the functionality to do that, as they've shown with Little Big Planet 2. It remains to be seen whether or not they'll actually have more games that actually take advantage of this, but they still could do it.

OT: Also, what Kroxile said in the part I snipped. What does he mean, "this time"? Sony already tried stepping to Nintendo with the PS Move. We remember how well that went.

CrossLOPER:
I'm sure that Sony and Microsoft will find a market in those who want to play something other than Mario and Zelda rehash, like those who want Halo and Modern Warfare and Battlefield rehash.

When is the escapist going to add + and - to comments so I can vote this guy up?

Darmy647:

Terramax:

Darmy647:
Extreme gaming PC. Now im buying a Wii U. Why? So i have everything. "what about the xbox and playstation console?" Who needs them? Superior PC.

Well, it could be that, you know, there are many great games on the 360 and PS3 that aren't on the PC or Wii U?

You sure? *looks over the list* Hmmm...I seem to literally have almost everything...Then again, I own every console that's out to date, Even though my 360 never gets used, its actually getting more dust than my Wii. Just not enough Solo games on there =/. I mean solo games that are xbox only, not cross platform with PC. If someone suggests halo 4's campaign to me i will throw an elderly man into on coming traffic.

That's a personal preference in gaming, not an adequate explanation as to why, apparently, there is no need to own either a PS3 or 360.

Personally, I think pretty much every game Nintendo has made since the gamecube era are terrible, and that most 3rd party games on their systems aren't anything to shout about either, but I wouldn't make a blanket statement that the Wii or 3DS are unneeded/ useless.

Wow no one can really enjoy anything now without it being torn to shreds for no reason what so ever!

From what I've played on the Wii U its great fun! The tablet controller is a lot lighter that it looks & the pro-controller could be the 2nd best controller ever made (behind the Gamecube's). Nintendoland is a ridiculous blast to play with friends.

At the end of the day does it really matter what the specs are of a conosle? No! As long as the games are fun then it doesn't matter!
People also seem to forget that you can't judge a console's power in the beginning! Look at the difference between Hitman Blood Money & Absolution! It's ludicrous to think that the Wii U is not a next gen console!

What annoys me is the fact that people feel the need to bash what they havent got to feel justified in what they've got! No you don't! If you bought a 360 & have fun playing it then thats fine! That's your reason right there! You don't have to hate on PS3 or Wii owners! I love my 360, I enjoy playing on my PC and I love playing on my brothers Wii when I visit him! I wish I had a PS3 as I want to play the Uncharted series, MGS4, Jax & Daxter, the GOW trilogy & Infamous!

Was the Wii a baby's toy & only for little kids? No, it wasn't! If you actually think that then I pity you, for being that narrow minded! Out of all the games I've played this generation, the one that I had the most fun playing was Mario Galaxy! I'm not saying it's the best game or the most immersive, but for sheer fun and putting such a smile on my face Mario Galaxy wins hands down!

Terramax:

Darmy647:

Terramax:

Well, it could be that, you know, there are many great games on the 360 and PS3 that aren't on the PC or Wii U?

You sure? *looks over the list* Hmmm...I seem to literally have almost everything...Then again, I own every console that's out to date, Even though my 360 never gets used, its actually getting more dust than my Wii. Just not enough Solo games on there =/. I mean solo games that are xbox only, not cross platform with PC. If someone suggests halo 4's campaign to me i will throw an elderly man into on coming traffic.

That's a personal preference in gaming, not an adequate explanation as to why, apparently, there is no need to own either a PS3 or 360.

Personally, I think pretty much every game Nintendo has made since the gamecube era are terrible, and that most 3rd party games on their systems aren't anything to shout about either, but I wouldn't make a blanket statement that the Wii or 3DS are unneeded/ useless.

Really? Every single game? Thats a bold statement. bolder than a Catholic Priest at a school playground. I didn't have many favorites on the gamecube myself, but damn man. The ENTIRE gamecube era. Also, Nintendo's always got shafted in 3rd party support since the gamecube. Very few 3rd party developers wanted to take the time to fine tune it on the platform. a Shame really. I liked the controller a lot. I like the PS3 and Xbox, dont get me wrong, but i have very little reason to own them other than the few exclusives.

I have to say, from the sound of that, i think you actually hate all the series Nintendo has to offer. If you do, thats...thats impressive. The first man Ive met who legitimately can NOT find a Nintendo game that suited him.

Quaidis:
Well, I have a brand new black 32 gig WiiU. And I wasn't even on a pre-order!

Life is good. I'm temporarily overwhelmed by its new controller, and have to find a sd card to get my Wii save files over there. Next up, Zombie U.

Am curious what Sony and Microsoft have in store when they eventually release their consoles. Also what weird, entertaining games come out as a result.

Hey man, congrats on the Wii U. [Scanning for sarcasm...test results negative].

I'm curious for some cold, hard facts in general, such as are you using it with an HDTV that does over 60Hz?

I've already posted this in another thread, but here's Nintendo's Q&A about external hard drives with the Wii U. It's kind of confusing without actually having a Wii U. They kind of skip over the flash HDD question, so now I'm dying to know if it'll work as a long term solution. I'm also curious to know if your HDD dies, will you be able to just download titles again? They don't talk about making a backup of your external Wii U HDD.

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wiiu/en_na/external_usb_storage.jsp

The WiiU is not a next generation console it only has at its biggest 32gb hard drive and graphically its still shit even next to the Xbox what a joke Nintendo you have not led the new race you are still catching up.

Nintendo: A company which spends its time thinking up new ways to be "innovative" (i.e. Make up convoluted new ways to control games) and proceeds to re-hash the same games over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and... you get the point.

Somehow I don't think SONY or Microsoft really have anything to worry about.

pandorum:
The WiiU is not a next generation console it only has at its biggest 32gb hard drive and graphically its still shit even next to the Xbox what a joke Nintendo you have not led the new race you are still catching up.

... Gen's aren't measured by Graphical Prowess... Gen's are measured by Time... So the WiiU is Next Gen... *Cough* *Cough*

What's this nonsense about "New Race"? Are you trying to evoke Godwins Law or something?

Eggsnham:
Nintendo: A company which spends its time thinking up new ways to be "innovative" (i.e. Make up convoluted new ways to control games) and proceeds to re-hash the same games over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and... you get the point.

Somehow I don't think SONY or Microsoft really have anything to worry about.

While I agree Microsoft doesn't have to worry, Sony Probably should...

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