Nintendo President Says Competitors Must Respond to Wii U

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CriticKitten:
Except, as I said....he said NOTHING that could be remotely construed as throwing down a challenge gauntlet. He basically just said "here's what we have to offer, and we're pretty confident in our product".

There's an inherent problem in replying to two people with one response, and that's that it's kind of hard to tailor a one size fits all response.

I said nothing about a challenge gauntlet, rather that the false dichotomy presented was, well, a false dichotomy. Oh, and that his statement was kind of begging for ridicule. Which, you know, I think his actual statements still fall under. I know it's easier to say I didn't read them, and just went for the Escapist's usual misleading comments, but still. Try paying attention to what I'm actually saying if you're going to try and shame me about not reading what someone said.

Sometimes, ignorance is not bliss, people.

Irony, dear.

Zachary Amaranth:
I said nothing about a challenge gauntlet, rather that the false dichotomy presented was, well, a false dichotomy.

No, what you said was: "Then maybe he should keep his mouth shut?"

That doesn't in any way resemble the phrase "false dichotomy", nor is it nearly as intelligent-sounding. And I'm not actually sure you're using it correctly in this instance, so you may want to clarify because this is *not* what you said before.

I know it's been four days since you posted in here so you probably forgot what you actually said, but seriously. You said something relatively pointless and stupid (that a company president shouldn't say good things about his new products), thus I naturally was inclined to believe that you didn't actually pay attention to the statements he made. I'm open to hearing what you were actually trying to say, because it sure as hell doesn't come across in your original post (which just smacks of typical thoughtless anti-Nintendo bashing)

Oh, and that his statement was kind of begging for ridicule. Which, you know, I think his actual statements still fall under.

Why is his statement begging for ridicule? It's no more bold than any other company which does this sort of thing on a daily basis. Does it deserve ridicule purely because it came from the mouth of a company you don't like?

Let's put it this way: if the new XBOX came out tomorrow, and a Microsoft executive came out and said this same thing, would you still be laughing at him and calling it prone to "ridicule"? Or Sony?

If not, then we have our answer: you think it merits ridicule because you don't like Nintendo and will happily mock anything they say because you have nothing better to do with your time. In which case I'm going to recommend finding something more productive to do with your time.

This isn't like an EA PR statement, where they say something INCREDIBLY stupid that hurts your brain if you read it too much. It's a normal positive PR spin statement. Not exactly good "bash" material, bro, it's just normal PR commentary that the Escapist (stupidly) spun into a big deal.

I know it's easier to say I didn't read them, and just went for the Escapist's usual misleading comments, but still. Try paying attention to what I'm actually saying if you're going to try and shame me about not reading what someone said.

I did pay attention to what you said. It's just that what you said was so ludicrous that I assumed you had to be just skimming. Guess not. That's rather worrying, in that case.

Irony, dear.

....that's not irony. Don't use a word to slander if you don't know what it means.

CriticKitten:
No, what you said was: "Then maybe he should keep his mouth shut?"

CriticKitten:

Pardon me for being crazy, but isn't that how every company should approach their business strategy? Namely, by saying "okay, here's our product, let's see what our opponents can do now"? And being part of a large popular company, wouldn't you want your figureheads making positive statements and oozing confidence about your new product?

Imagine if he'd come out and said this instead: "Hey guys! We released a buggy console with very few games and a gimmick that causes a lot of processor bottlenecking. We're pretty sure Sony and Microsoft are going to kick our asses this time!"

Context, dear.

It's easy to follow quotes back to the source. Of course, if you're done with ad hominems, perhaps you could go back to point one (context) and accept that I was replying to the specific context you created. You presented two ridiculous alternatives as though they were the only relevant choices. That is, in fact, a false dichotomy.

If you want a further conversation, I suggest a more honest attempt at communicating here.

Zachary Amaranth:
Of course, if you're done with ad hominems

....I didn't use any. Ad hominem is not just "using mean words", dude.

Calling your post stupid (which it is, because it relies on inherent biases rather than looking at the facts of the situation) is not the same as calling YOU stupid (which I never did or intended to do). Calling a point of view "stupid" is not the same as calling the person who holds that point of view "stupid" (ex: I can be friends with a creationist and still believe that the concept of creationism is stupid). That is not ad hominem.

Swing and a miss.

You presented two ridiculous alternatives as though they were the only relevant choices. That is, in fact, a false dichotomy.

....no, I didn't.

I presented one choice, because people whose job revolves around PR only have one choice: positive spin. It's kinda their job. They get paid to make public statements in favor of their products. That means they can't just stay quiet ((since their paycheck directly revolves around their sales), and they obviously can't insult their product or company, so what else do you expect them to do except their jobs?

The "alternative", as you put it, was not being presented as a viable alternative. That is a prime example of taking the opposing stance to an absurd extreme to prove a point. That point being that many folks in this thread laughing at Nintendo would really only ever agree with the sentiments expressed by a Nintendo exec if they were exactly like that.

When you're bashing a company over normal PR statements, it's time to take a really good look at yourself and see if maybe you aren't just being spiteful for some subjective reason. It happens to the best of us, I for one can't stand EA because of how they've destroyed some of my favorite franchises. But when you're openly bashing a company when they're just trying to make their product look good and haven't actually done anything purposely mean or spiteful to earn that hatred, then you're just taking it too far.

If you want a further conversation, I suggest a more honest attempt at communicating here.

I was done conversing with you when I made my first post, four days ago. You're the one waking it up and dragging it through the mud all of a sudden, because you care so much about trying to regain face for whatever reason.

The fact that you directly ignored my question asking you WHY you believe their statement merits ridicule is all the proof I need to confirm my statements. You believe they deserve ridicule because you are inherently biased against the company and would have mocked them regardless of what they said. I was on the fence as far as having a "conversation" with you before, but between this and your derisive attitude, now I'm definitely not going to bother because I know it's a waste of time better spent playing Torchlight 2. Goodbye. Don't bother me again.

CriticKitten:
Ad hominem is not just "using mean words", dude.

Thankfully, that wasn't the case here.

Don't bother me again.

Nobody even forced you to reply. I was hoping for you to decided honest conversation was worth it.

VoidWanderer:
Is he not aware of the 5 GB mandatory update for the console? Is he not aware that if the power is lost during this update people have a $300+ brick?

And since this console is as powerful as this generation, shouldn't Nintendo keep playing catchup? Sony and Microsoft are currently working on more powerful consoles, which again, leaves Nintendo a step behind in terms of hardware.

So far that's happened to one person named Ben Fritz, and he was apparently clueless enough to unplug a console mid update so I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. My guess is the odds of this happening to the average non-retard user with a decent electrical connection is low enough that Nintendo isn't very concerned.

And I believe the reason Microsoft and Sony are taking so long to release the next console is that they've realized, like Nintendo did 6 years ago, that simply upgrading hardware is a dead end. It's the gimmicky new stuff like motion controls and whatever Nintendo's doing now that's making them trail behind. I don't think anyone's buying WiiU for it's processor.

Mr.Mattress:

pandorum:
The WiiU is not a next generation console it only has at its biggest 32gb hard drive and graphically its still shit even next to the Xbox what a joke Nintendo you have not led the new race you are still catching up.

... Gen's aren't measured by Graphical Prowess... Gen's are measured by Time... So the WiiU is Next Gen... *Cough* *Cough*

What's this nonsense about "New Race"? Are you trying to evoke Godwins Law or something?

Eggsnham:
Nintendo: A company which spends its time thinking up new ways to be "innovative" (i.e. Make up convoluted new ways to control games) and proceeds to re-hash the same games over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and... you get the point.

Somehow I don't think SONY or Microsoft really have anything to worry about.

While I agree Microsoft doesn't have to worry, Sony Probably should...

As in the track event the, (new race to the top of gaming).

Looking back at this I really don't know if I should laugh or cry at this statement...

Arrogance is never good. Sony and MS learned this the hard way.
Nintendo, the oldest in this competition should be the wisest. But it turns out that they never learn
Shame... Next time, maybe

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