Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart Return to X-Men

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Copper Zen:

Evil Smurf:
wait, who else enjoyed X3? It was a good action movie, not a great X men movie I'll admit but not terrible.

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Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Copper Zen:
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well this just means you have terrible taste in movies.
shit stays shit, even if the cow doing the shitting poops gold at some point.

and i should mention i liked x men 3, any movie that has cyclops die is good.

grey_space:

Akalabeth:

Though they still need snipes as blade vs Morpheus and the Xmen

Ving Rhames? Looks kinda old.

Howabout that Conan guy. Yeah, I didn't like him in SG Atlantis, he probably sucked in Conan too but he might be okay for Xmen (low budget actor too) - Momoa Ronon? Though maybe not black enough. Howabout, the Rock? Dwayne Johnson.

Good option with Momoa actually. He's not that bad an actor if he doesn't talk too much. He was pretty good in Game of Thrones and has the right menacing air about him...Bishop is way darker than him tho.

Nonzo Anonzie from the same show.

Or the guy who played Tilc in Stargate.

He's old but suitably massive.

Going off this, Idris Elba would be pretty good then. Not too old, holds the size pretty well and is a really good actor.

thaluikhain:

DVS BSTrD:
The future looks dark as knight, but as long as Ellen Page comes back to, this should be good :)

Seconded. You need either Ellen Page or Anna Paquin or someone to play an X-Person as if they think they might get hurt, otherwise I don't care about teh fight scenes. Also, angsty love triangles do not help anything.

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Anyone else notice that the best characters in the X-Men films are always played by actors from Commonwealth nations?

I'm pretty sure Michael Fassbender is German/Irish.

DJjaffacake:

thaluikhain:

DVS BSTrD:
The future looks dark as knight, but as long as Ellen Page comes back to, this should be good :)

Seconded. You need either Ellen Page or Anna Paquin or someone to play an X-Person as if they think they might get hurt, otherwise I don't care about teh fight scenes. Also, angsty love triangles do not help anything.

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Anyone else notice that the best characters in the X-Men films are always played by actors from Commonwealth nations?

I'm pretty sure Michael Fassbender is German/Irish.

His mum was from Northern Ireland, with is part of the UK, which is part of the Commonwealth of nations.

And Magneto was not a good character in X-Men: Origins, though you could argue one of the best in that film, because nobody else was.

thaluikhain:

DJjaffacake:

thaluikhain:

Seconded. You need either Ellen Page or Anna Paquin or someone to play an X-Person as if they think they might get hurt, otherwise I don't care about teh fight scenes. Also, angsty love triangles do not help anything.

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Anyone else notice that the best characters in the X-Men films are always played by actors from Commonwealth nations?

I'm pretty sure Michael Fassbender is German/Irish.

His mum was from Northern Ireland, with is part of the UK, which is part of the Commonwealth of nations.

And Magneto was not a good character in X-Men: Origins, though you could argue one of the best in that film, because nobody else was.

He was brought up in the Republic of Ireland, and as far as I can tell is an Irish citizen, not British. Not to mention that his mum is a Nationalist, meaning she almost certainly identifies as Irish rather than British.

It will have to respectfully disagree with your appraisal of First Class,[1] although it is of course, a matter of opinion.

[1] You wrote Origins, but I assume you meant First Class, since Fassbender isn't even in Origins

Huh, First Class was just awful, no really, one of the absolute worst films I saw that year. The plot was terrible, the acting (aside from Fassbender) was choppy, stiff and unnatural, Jennifer Lawrence in particular was shit. The writing was even worse and the characters were all dimwits (again except for Fassbender).

Not really looking forward to another X-Men movie like that, I mean, the second one was good and the first one was okay, but the third one was bad, First Class was terrible and Wolverine was just horrific. In fact, most comic book-movies seem ludicrously overrated, Nolan's Batman are average at best, the Avengers was entertaining, but still dumb as shit, and I haven't much love for the other ones either.

Can't there just be a comic book-movie with decent writing, like, at all? Oh wait, I guess that's an oxymoron.

PS: The Watchmen movie wasn't very great either.

Barciad:
Maybe this time they will actually make use of Patrick Stewart's formidable acting talent. Maybe this time they will give him a character (not to mention a script) that actually has some depth to it. McKellan never was, nor never will be the problem, not least when he is playing one modern fiction's greatest tragic roles. His character is quite obvious in its simplicity, yet lends itself to multiple depths. You are dealing not only with the obvious question of vengeance and how it can consume a man, but also the way in which power can corrupt. Thus far, we have been fortunate to see him played by two of Britain's leading actors. Any Magneto script essentially writes itself, which is why in the hands of a good rate actor, it is always a pleasure to watch.
Xavier on the other hand has been much more of a challenge. The reason why seems to suggest the notion that he is simply not as interesting. Xavier is always written as an absolute good, a man without faults. Take this and then compare it to Lensherr and the issue becomes apparent. Magneto is a man that has as of yet, failed to overcome the complexities that have surrounded him. These then leads us on the question of why? Is it the circumstances or the man himself that create the greater burden?
Xavier on the other hand might have issues, foibles and failures, but we never hear about them. There was never a time when he used to cheat at cards or whatever. Well not in the films anyway. If Magneto is the player that could not confront his events that then Xavier must be that man that could.
Plus there is also the small issue of nationality. Is he British or American? What is the true nature of his character? is he an old progressively minded American academic, in the guise of Chomsky or Vidal? Or an idealistic British intellectual, in the manner of Russell or Orwell? Unquestionably the comparative mindset, generally speaking, of these respective types will be markedly different.
The X-Men series has always sold itself as being a cut above the average comic by offering an intellectual depth not seen elsewhere. It would be nice to see it there in all its glory there on the big screen for a change.

They should do a Fatal Attractions movie. That would cut a bit into Xavier's paragon status.

Andy Chalk:
The best things about the X-Men film from 2000 were Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan, who respectively portrayed Charles Xavier and Eric Lensherr, better known to the world at large as Professor X and Magneto. Hugh Jackman was a brilliant Wolverine and Ray Park was fun as Toad, but it was Stewart and McKellan who really anchored the thing. And while I didn't care much for the sequels, I didn't give up on the franchise until X-Men: First Class

I...I don't follow you. Are you saying you actually preferred X1 to X2?

That's just crazy. Flat-out crazy.

As for not seeing First Class, yeah, you really ought to sort that out. By far the best iteration of the franchise on-screen, and I include the 90's FOX series in that.

Yeah, that's right. I went there!

SecretNegative:
Huh, First Class was just awful, no really, one of the absolute worst films I saw that year. The plot was terrible, the acting (aside from Fassbender) was choppy, stiff and unnatural, Jennifer Lawrence in particular was shit. The writing was even worse and the characters were all dimwits (again except for Fassbender).

Not really looking forward to another X-Men movie like that, I mean, the second one was good and the first one was okay, but the third one was bad, First Class was terrible and Wolverine was just horrific. In fact, most comic book-movies seem ludicrously overrated, Nolan's Batman are average at best, the Avengers was entertaining, but still dumb as shit, and I haven't much love for the other ones either.

Can't there just be a comic book-movie with decent writing, like, at all? Oh wait, I guess that's an oxymoron.

PS: The Watchmen movie wasn't very great either.

Just wanted to point out that the secret is out.

DJjaffacake:
He was brought up in the Republic of Ireland, and as far as I can tell is an Irish citizen, not British. Not to mention that his mum is a Nationalist, meaning she almost certainly identifies as Irish rather than British.

It will have to respectfully disagree with your appraisal of First Class,[1] although it is of course, a matter of opinion.

Meant First Class, yeah.

In regards to Origins...well, IMHO the best characters are played by commonwealth actors, not that the commonwealth actors play the best characters.

[1] You wrote Origins, but I assume you meant First Class, since Fassbender isn't even in Origins

mParadox:
Day of the Future Past was the best story arc ever!

Shame so many mutants died though. Including Spiderman, Fantastic Four and some such. Sentinels really don't like mutants. >.> BUT YEAH, good storyline.

I'm going to be That Guy here, but in ordinary continuity (ie not Ultimate) Spiderman and the FF aren't mutants. Or at least not capital-M Mutants. They've mutated, but not naturally, which puts them in a different category to the X-Men whose mutation is not triggered by external influences like spiders or...like, space radition, or whatever it was.

Foolproof:

Andy Chalk:
And while I didn't care much for the sequels, I didn't give up on the franchise until X-Men: First Class, which delved into the early days of the hated and feared mutant group and brought in James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender to portray the characters in their younger years.

....so you only gave up on the series when it had its absolute, positive, straight up best film in the series?

How can people not love that movie? It begins with a psychic jewish kid crushing Nazi skulls, and keeps on getting better. It was completely balls out awesome, and in my top 5 best superhero movies ever.

I couldn't agree more, the only thing missing is Magneto flying like superman or ironman while blowing shit up.

P.S. I think Edward Norton would make a good brotherhood character, possibly a good young Magneto. Not saying What we have now isn't great.

SonicWaffle:

Andy Chalk:
The best things about the X-Men film from 2000 were Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan, who respectively portrayed Charles Xavier and Eric Lensherr, better known to the world at large as Professor X and Magneto. Hugh Jackman was a brilliant Wolverine and Ray Park was fun as Toad, but it was Stewart and McKellan who really anchored the thing. And while I didn't care much for the sequels, I didn't give up on the franchise until X-Men: First Class

I...I don't follow you. Are you saying you actually preferred X1 to X2?

That's just crazy. Flat-out crazy.

As for not seeing First Class, yeah, you really ought to sort that out. By far the best iteration of the franchise on-screen, and I include the 90's FOX series in that.

Yeah, that's right. I went there!

Ohhh! A real movie (supposedly anyway) made for teenagers to adults is better than a shittly drawn kids cartoon in the 90's aiming to please kids?! That's insane!

Oh wait, it isn't by a long shot.

Where did the need for decent writing go? In the bin?

I have to join everyone else questioning the hate for First Class. The first X-Men movie wasn't actually all that good, looking back at it now, but at the time I was excited for the fact that it existed, and there were some brilliant casting choices. McAvoy may not be the perfect choice for young Xavier the way Sir Stewart was, but he's not the wrong choice, and Fassbender is always the right choice.

For the movie itself, I wouldn't be so sure yet that they've completely discarded the timeline of the original movies and origins spinoff. The older Xavier and Magneto are being reprised by the original actors, Hugh Jackman's Wolverine had a quick cameo in First Class, and as mentioned in an earlier post, Senator Kelly did die in the first movie. I sincerely doubt they planned it all that far ahead, but it is convenient that they could potentially tie it all together like that. Retcon the first 3 movies by implying they're also part of the alternate future. Worse things could happen.

SonicWaffle:
I'm going to be That Guy here, but in ordinary continuity (ie not Ultimate) Spiderman and the FF aren't mutants. Or at least not capital-M Mutants. They've mutated, but not naturally, which puts them in a different category to the X-Men whose mutation is not triggered by external influences like spiders or...like, space radition, or whatever it was.

True! Didn't stop the Sentinels from going Leather Face on 'em. :D

SecretNegative:
Ohhh! A real movie (supposedly anyway) made for teenagers to adults is better than a shittly drawn kids cartoon in the 90's aiming to please kids?! That's insane!

Oh wait, it isn't by a long shot.

Look, I don't care if the only way you feel you can validate your own existence is by trolling for reactions, but do us all a favour and do it somewhere else. The 90's cartoon is A) a nostalgic pleasure for many fans and B) recognised as a great show in its own right, as I'm sure you're aware. Decades after it debuted, it's still well-regarded both as a piece of entertainment and a representative of the X-Men franchise.

SecretNegative:
Where did the need for decent writing go? In the bin?

If you set out hoping to be displeased by what you watch so you can decry the falling standards of modern entertainment, then shockingly enough your wishes will come true. That doesn't mean you have to go around acting superior to everyone because you didn't enjoy the things they did. It's just kinda sad.

mParadox:

SonicWaffle:
I'm going to be That Guy here, but in ordinary continuity (ie not Ultimate) Spiderman and the FF aren't mutants. Or at least not capital-M Mutants. They've mutated, but not naturally, which puts them in a different category to the X-Men whose mutation is not triggered by external influences like spiders or...like, space radition, or whatever it was.

True! Didn't stop the Sentinels from going Leather Face on 'em. :D

My impression was that they were doing their hero thing - ie not letting innocent civilians be butchered by Sentinels - and that our big robotic chums took umbrage at that, killing the lot of them.

What a great time to be a superhero fan

Foolproof:

Andy Chalk:
And while I didn't care much for the sequels, I didn't give up on the franchise until X-Men: First Class, which delved into the early days of the hated and feared mutant group and brought in James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender to portray the characters in their younger years.

....so you only gave up on the series when it had its absolute, positive, straight up best film in the series?

How can people not love that movie? It begins with a psychic jewish kid crushing Nazi skulls, and keeps on getting better. It was completely balls out awesome, and in my top 5 best superhero movies ever.

Plus, in the second when Magneto looks at the security guard and says "There is something different about you".

Such malice, and comeuppance and everything. I just loved that scene. Never push around the wrong person.

T'Generalissimo:

"The present-day X-Men are forewarned of the possible future by a future version of their teammate Kitty Pryde, whose mind traveled back in time and possessed her younger self to warn the X-Men."

I know it would depend a lot on execution, but on the face of it this sounds just awful.

I'm with you. The second I read that sentence I thought "That's just STUPID!" Might work in comics where silly things like that are commonplace, but in the sequel to one of the best superhero movies ever? Nope. I really hope they won't screw it up.

SecretNegative:
Huh, First Class was just awful, no really, one of the absolute worst films I saw that year. The plot was terrible, the acting (aside from Fassbender) was choppy, stiff and unnatural, Jennifer Lawrence in particular was shit. The writing was even worse and the characters were all dimwits (again except for Fassbender).

Not really looking forward to another X-Men movie like that, I mean, the second one was good and the first one was okay, but the third one was bad, First Class was terrible and Wolverine was just horrific. In fact, most comic book-movies seem ludicrously overrated, Nolan's Batman are average at best, the Avengers was entertaining, but still dumb as shit, and I haven't much love for the other ones either.

Can't there just be a comic book-movie with decent writing, like, at all? Oh wait, I guess that's an oxymoron.

PS: The Watchmen movie wasn't very great either.

Ummm... what is your problem? If you think comic book movies are dumb and childish, why have you watched so many of them? Or for that matter, commenting on news regarding one? If superhero movies aren't your cup of tea, why waste your time on them or trying to make us think the same as you?

I liked those two actors portraying these characters a lot. If anything returns from that trilogy, it's a good idea to make it them. Let's just hope Xavier won't die so pathetically this time around.

SonicWaffle:

Look, I don't care if the only way you feel you can validate your own existence is by trolling for reactions, but do us all a favour and do it somewhere else. The 90's cartoon is A) a nostalgic pleasure for many fans and B) recognised as a great show in its own right, as I'm sure you're aware. Decades after it debuted, it's still well-regarded both as a piece of entertainment and a representative of the X-Men franchise.

If you set out hoping to be displeased by what you watch so you can decry the falling standards of modern entertainment, then shockingly enough your wishes will come true. That doesn't mean you have to go around acting superior to everyone because you didn't enjoy the things they did. It's just kinda sad.

Trolling =/= stating an unpopular opinion.

Atleast, that's what I knew, calling everyone who slightly disagrees with your preconseptions about quality "trolls" and announcing their opinions as "trolling" I feel you need to wake up, and realise everyone doesn't really like cartoon shows aimed at kids when they grow up.

bartholen:

Ummm... what is your problem? If you think comic book movies are dumb and childish, why have you watched so many of them? Or for that matter, commenting on news regarding one? If superhero movies aren't your cup of tea, why waste your time on them or trying to make us think the same as you?

Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot not liking a movie you liked is wrong and dumb, sorry about that.

You know a funny thing, if I only had watched a few comic book-movies, like maybe three or something, and calling the majority of the genre shit, people would've said "Oh you! You should watch more comic book-moves, there this and that". And besides, some of my friends recommend these movies to me, and I go see them with them. Is that such a foreign concept?

The concept of superhero movies isn't dumb at all, the majority are just horribly written while being excused from it because "it's based on a comic book". The greatest hypocritical moment in nerd culture come when they announce they hate Michael Bay Transformers and the Star Wars prequels because they have dumb plots and horrible writing and the action scenes doesn't excuse it, while praising the Avengers and First Class...

Wait... People actually hate First Class?
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Huh.

I thought it was an awesome movie. No accounting for taste in some people, I guess.

SecretNegative:
Trolling =/= stating an unpopular opinion.

Being openly hostile and relentlessly negative in a thread where other people are expressing their admiration for something, with clearly no intention to discuss relative merits = trolling.

Having unpopular opinions is fine. Stating that opinion is fine. Dumping all over people who enjoy something you don't isn't fine. There was no need for your heavy-handed sarcasm in your first response to me, there's no need for your insinuations that people who enjoy movies you don't are idiots who don't care about anything more than tits and explosions.

SecretNegative:
Atleast, that's what I knew, calling everyone who slightly disagrees with your preconseptions about quality "trolls" and announcing their opinions as "trolling" I feel you need to wake up, and realise everyone doesn't really like cartoon shows aimed at kids when they grow up.

I used the word trolling because that was how it appeared; rather than simply stating a contrary opinion, you felt the need to mock and belittle other people's opinions without giving any real reason as to why (other than "these movies are stupid and bad, and the actors are all bad, and the writing is all bad"), and it seemed like you were doing so for a reaction. Which I guess you got, so well done you. You "win".

As for the other part of your post, thankyou, but I am fully aware that not everyone appreciates the same thing I do. However, amongst the X-Men and wider comic book fandom, the show in question remains well-regarded. Holding it up as a good example of the franchise is not crazy, as you seem to think, and there was no need to act like I'm an idiot because I'm aware that some people don't stop enjoying good programmes because they consider themselves too old for cartoons.

SecretNegative:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot not liking a movie you liked is wrong and dumb, sorry about that.

You keep appealing to the moral high ground, and it isn't working. You didn't like something. Fine. You're more highbrow than we poor schmucks who're grateful for anything that goes boom. Can you not find a better way to express this than "everything you like is stupid"?

SonicWaffle:

SecretNegative:
Trolling =/= stating an unpopular opinion.

Being openly hostile and relentlessly negative in a thread where other people are expressing their admiration for something, with clearly no intention to discuss relative merits = trolling.

Having unpopular opinions is fine. Stating that opinion is fine. Dumping all over people who enjoy something you don't isn't fine. There was no need for your heavy-handed sarcasm in your first response to me, there's no need for your insinuations that people who enjoy movies you don't are idiots who don't care about anything more than tits and explosions.

I used the word trolling because that was how it appeared; rather than simply stating a contrary opinion, you felt the need to mock and belittle other people's opinions without giving any real reason as to why (other than "these movies are stupid and bad, and the actors are all bad, and the writing is all bad"), and it seemed like you were doing so for a reaction. Which I guess you got, so well done you. You "win".

As for the other part of your post, thankyou, but I am fully aware that not everyone appreciates the same thing I do. However, amongst the X-Men and wider comic book fandom, the show in question remains well-regarded. Holding it up as a good example of the franchise is not crazy, as you seem to think, and there was no need to act like I'm an idiot because I'm aware that some people don't stop enjoying good programmes because they consider themselves too old for cartoons.

You keep appealing to the moral high ground, and it isn't working. You didn't like something. Fine. You're more highbrow than we poor schmucks who're grateful for anything that goes boom. Can you not find a better way to express this than "everything you like is stupid"?

I thought trolling was being needlessly provocative to provoke a reaction, rather than being slightly hostile in the expression of ones opinion. But I guess definitions change, yes?

You seem to be a little touched about someone expressing their dislike on something you like, go your way to like or dislike anything you want, all the power to you, but don't try to argue against someone else's opinions, since obviously we all like different things.

Not saying you're stupid for liking First Class, what you perceive what others are saying, that's your buisness, but please don't try to argue against it.

And we also seem to have a different opinion on what one could call "quality", I couldn't care less about what the X-men fandom says, since they themselves are rather biased about an X-Men cartoon. From what I've seen of it, it seems like a normal kids show, which pretty much equals bad in my eyes (there's a few great kids movies though, don't get me wrong).

I will definitely have to buy this comic. I've been saying for ages I want to start reading more X-Men comics, well here's one that sounds good!

Really looking forward to this movie. I love McKellen and Stewart and can't wait to see them acting aside the younger versions of themselves. I enjoyed the trilogy (and First Class) and I'm surprised a lot of people are moaning about them o_O;

There will probably be Wolverine in the next movie. Everyone loves a bit of Wolverine.

Gandalf is awesome.

SecretNegative:
I thought trolling was being needlessly provocative to provoke a reaction, rather than being slightly hostile in the expression of ones opinion. But I guess definitions change, yes?

"Needlessly hostile" was how I interpreted your original posts, actually. Perhaps I was too quick to judge, and so I apologise.

SecretNegative:
You seem to be a little touched about someone expressing their dislike on something you like, go your way to like or dislike anything you want, all the power to you, but don't try to argue against someone else's opinions, since obviously we all like different things.

It is not the fact that you dislike it that bothered me, it was the way you expressed that dislike. Like I said above, I mistook it for trolling, but apparently I was wrong and you were just expressing dislike in a slightly aggressive fashion.

SecretNegative:
And we also seem to have a different opinion on what one could call "quality", I couldn't care less about what the X-men fandom says, since they themselves are rather biased about an X-Men cartoon. From what I've seen of it, it seems like a normal kids show, which pretty much equals bad in my eyes (there's a few great kids movies though, don't get me wrong).

Surely the X-Men fandom would be the best indicator as to the quality of the show as it compares to other media representations of the franchise? Someone who has never seen any of the movies can't say they think the TV show was a good interpretation, because what are they comparing it to?

I also disagree that kids show = bad. Given the high number of television shows ostensibly aimed at children but which find an audience amongst adults, it seems being animated or aimed at younger people is no barrier to featuring good writing, characters or acting (voice or physical). Just because there are many programmes created on the basis of "kids are idiots who'll watch any old crap" doesn't mean all of them are created with that in mind.

Can't believe I'm the first one to point it out, but McKellEn's name is misspelled throughout the whole article...

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