Court Finds Anonymous PayPal Attacker Guilty

Court Finds Anonymous PayPal Attacker Guilty

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Student hacker Christopher Weatherhead has been warned he may face jail time.

Christopher Weatherhead, one of four Anonymous conspirators to have hacked PayPal, costing the payments company 3.5 million ($5.5 million), has been found guilty of the charges of conspiracy to impair the operation of computers. Sentencing will take place at a later date.

Weatherhead, a 22 year old student, was the only one of the conspirators to contest the charges. Throughout the trial he tried to portray himself as a communications manager and chatroom creator, not one of the front line attackers. When asked whether he had observed attacks while they were happening, Weatherhead responded in the affirmative.

"I was quite interested," Weatherhead said. "I did not believe that what was being discussed was actually possible."

Judge Peter Testar warned Weatherhead that the student could face jail time for his part in the PayPal hack. "I want to have as much information as possible before deciding what should happen in the case of these four men," said Judge Testar. "I think these are serious offences to my mind, and I hope the defendant understands that."

Weatherhead has been electronically tagged and is subject to curfew at his parents' home, as he awaits sentence.

Source: Guardian

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STUPID JACKA**, The getaway driver is just as guilty as the bank-robbers (who just murdered someone). It is the reason the police can flip the driver, the police go "Tell us everything about the shooter, and we will not charge you with murder". Yes, If someone dies (even from a heart-attack) during the commission of a crime, all the criminals there will be charge with murder.

The driver is still guilty of bank robbery. The "communications manager" is still guilty of hacking.

TAKE THE DEAL!!!

I'm actually in favour of sentencing for this. There needs to be a message sent to these kids that what they're doing isn't victim-less without consequence.

3.5 million is a lot of money, the punishment should reflect that. Though I do fear our courts are still a little ignorant of tech crimes and they'll either massively overreact and he'll get a life sentence or they'll underact and he'll get away with a community service order.

And not a tear will be shed for this man

Karloff:

Weatherhead has been electronically tagged and is subject to curfew at his parents' home, as he awaits sentence.

This line SO reminds me of that scene in the 1995/1996 movie "Hackers" when 2 FBI agents are sitting in a car outside an apartment center and one gives a verbal report: "Subject is still grounded--by his mother!

Being forced into curfew at his parent's house?

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How embarrassing.

Good to know this case has managed to continue to help me have absolutely no pity to any and all lawbreakers.

Captcha: Good afternoon
Shame it's evening here.

This is why I can't take anyone who defends hacktivists seriously, like when people were defending the hackers when they took out the PSN, or any time hacktivists were stealing credit card info in order to sell them. Or those who defend the asinine logic behind the attack on Kim Dotcom recently. They pull crap like this and try to hide behind the "I'M FROM ANONYMOUS" flag thinking that the internet is a community that will automatically protect them. And it fails most of the time.

Saying you're party to Anonymous doesn't mean anything anymore as its more than likely people using the name in the same manner that Ghost in the Shell showed people the laughing man.

AzrealMaximillion:

Saying you're party to Anonymous doesn't mean anything anymore as its more than likely people using the name in the same manner that Ghost in the Shell showed people the laughing man.

Except the laughing Man part worked in the series for exposing manipulative higher ups messing around with society.

Anon are just without a clue most of the time and resort to petty small time hacks and often spreading the wrong words at times.

But one day just one day when the world is locked down and bleak as hell I can't wait for people who hated hackers to one day wish they were back and then hypocrisy comes full circle once more.

OT: While I don't know much about this guy to form a care if he did the crime he's going to have to pay the crime with jail time.

Not so anonymous then? Silly buggers will get what's coming to them.

So Wall Street and big banks can rip people off for god knows how much, demand trillions in bail outs, get the trillions from us, crash the entire world economy and face NO justice. Not one big name involved in the housing/derivatives scam has spent 1 day in jail. John Corzine looted 1 billion in client funds from MF Global and is walking around scot-free. Mess with Pay Pal, and the hammer comes down. I guess "justice" is only for the little people.

Shadow-Phoenix:

AzrealMaximillion:

Saying you're party to Anonymous doesn't mean anything anymore as its more than likely people using the name in the same manner that Ghost in the Shell showed people the laughing man.

Except the laughing Man part worked in the series for exposing manipulative higher ups messing around with society.

Anon are just without a clue most of the time and resort to petty small time hacks and often spreading the wrong words at times.

That assumes that people aren't just using the name Anonymous while they start crimes as a means to justify their crimes in some pathetic way. That assumes that who says their part of Anonymous aren't just using the name while they rob a bank.

AzrealMaximillion:
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Just to clarify the PSN hack wasn't Anonoymous but just people after credit card info.

Also what happened to Kim Dotcom is actually really fucked up and he should be getting away scott free and pushing for compensation.

LawyerScumGhost:
So Wall Street and big banks can rip people off for god knows how much, demand trillions in bail outs, get the trillions from us, crash the entire world economy and face NO justice. Not one big name involved in the housing/derivatives scam has spent 1 day in jail. John Corzine looted 1 billion in client funds from MF Global and is walking around scot-free. Mess with Pay Pal, and the hammer comes down. I guess "justice" is only for the little people.

Yep. Fuck it, loot the global economy for all you can take, but if you stop people from buying crap on ebay, you go to prison. Disgusting.

He committed a crime, and he was punished.
Astonishing. I am stunned at this revelation.

The only thing that would have been truly controversial is if he walked.

AzrealMaximillion:

That assumes that people aren't just using the name Anonymous while they start crimes as a means to justify their crimes in some pathetic way.

You just hit upon the infinite irony of Anonymous.
"We are Legion"...except when they aren't. Because "Legion" in context assumes they have common goals and agendas.
Instead, it's a revolving door of "Hacktivist", "Identity/Electronic Fraud", and "For the lulz", changing at the whim.

Though I suppose "We are hackers who loosely cooperate at random intervals, try to spook gullible idiots with our Youtube Videos read by Microsoft Sam/Sally, and routinely contradict our message every other month." isn't as catchy as "We are Legion."

Ha, trapped in his parent's house. Good, he's being treated exactly like this type of person should: a spoiled, stupid little child.

I find it hard to sympathize with these people. If you want to protest what people in power are doing, you can do it without breaking the law and causing people to lose millions.

I guess that whole 'Look Forward, Not Backward' schtick of Obama's only applies to the folks who crashed the economy.

AldUK:
3.5 million is a lot of money, the punishment should reflect that. Though I do fear our courts are still a little ignorant of tech crimes and they'll either massively overreact and he'll get a life sentence or they'll underact and he'll get away with a community service order.

Except that, you know, those 3.5 millions they claim in damage consist of "equipment we had to buy so we would not be hacked again" and similar stuff. there was no "Real" damages. they just were forced to upgrade thier security, you know, something they should be doing by default since they handle large sums of money. but apparently making a company to work on their security is a crime now and if you expose a problem in thier design you have to pay for the fix, because apparently according to papypal the problem magically didnt exist before.
what this case boils down to is paypal demanding that peopel who refuse to sue their service pay for their service upgrades. and wins the case. yay justice system.

I like what he was doing. Nobody notices stuff until you force it into the spotlight. How many people would have known about Julian Assange if these attacks didn't take place? Until damage is caused, how else do you protest and actually get people to listen. People only care when it's their stuff in danger.

Moosejaw:
I guess that whole 'Look Forward, Not Backward' schtick of Obama's only applies to the folks who crashed the economy.

...Not even sure what to say to this...

CJ1145:
Ha, trapped in his parent's house. Good, he's being treated exactly like this type of person should: a spoiled, stupid little child.

So because someone stands up for what they believe in, and does some damage to a company that was acting amorally, that makes them a spoiled child? Good to know.

LawyerScumGhost:
So Wall Street and big banks can rip people off for god knows how much, demand trillions in bail outs, get the trillions from us, crash the entire world economy and face NO justice. Not one big name involved in the housing/derivatives scam has spent 1 day in jail. John Corzine looted 1 billion in client funds from MF Global and is walking around scot-free. Mess with Pay Pal, and the hammer comes down. I guess "justice" is only for the little people.

The only thing that matters on this Earth is dollars, dinero, yen, rupees, euros, francs, and pounds fucking sterling.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

CJ1145:
Ha, trapped in his parent's house. Good, he's being treated exactly like this type of person should: a spoiled, stupid little child.

So because someone stands up for what they believe in, and does some damage to a company that was acting amorally, that makes them a spoiled child? Good to know.

Er, no? He's a spoiled child because that's, in essence what Anonymous has become. A "safe" haven for a bunch of sociopathic lowlifes who get off on fucking with anyone and everything, so long as they have their supposed anonymity to hide them. Anonymous has done some good things, but even the worst people are capable of a good deed now and again.

I'm glad to see these guys getting caught and getting charged maybe just maybe this will make it less kewl to hack, prolly not though.

CJ1145:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

CJ1145:
Ha, trapped in his parent's house. Good, he's being treated exactly like this type of person should: a spoiled, stupid little child.

So because someone stands up for what they believe in, and does some damage to a company that was acting amorally, that makes them a spoiled child? Good to know.

Er, no? He's a spoiled child because that's, in essence what Anonymous has become. A "safe" haven for a bunch of sociopathic lowlifes who get off on fucking with anyone and everything, so long as they have their supposed anonymity to hide them. Anonymous has done some good things, but even the worst people are capable of a good deed now and again.

That's painting all of their members with a fairly broad brush. That's like saying every gamer is a mass murderer because of the shooter in Norway. Many members use the tag to attack things that need to be attacked (Scientology, the lynching of Julian Assange and two internet child porn rings they single-handedly stopped) while others use it for trolling. Take what someone does by their actions, not their affiliations.

Darks63:
I'm glad to see these guys getting caught and getting charged maybe just maybe this will make it less kewl to hack, prolly not though.

So when companies do amoral things, what should angry people do? File a complaint? Maybe get 20 or 30 friends to boycott the company? Maybe send a hurtful letter?

At least they're doing something. Peaceful actions DO NOT WORK in this day and age. Know what happened the last time someone tried a peaceful protest of corporate greed? They got marked as ultra-liberal lazy good-for-nothing scum and chased off the streets.

Actions only matter if you get through. And while $5.5 million isn't a lot to PayPal, it certainly got their attention, and drew attention to the case, and that's the right way to send a message.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Darks63:
I'm glad to see these guys getting caught and getting charged maybe just maybe this will make it less kewl to hack, prolly not though.

So when companies do amoral things, what should angry people do? File a complaint? Maybe get 20 or 30 friends to boycott the company? Maybe send a hurtful letter?

At least they're doing something. Peaceful actions DO NOT WORK in this day and age. Know what happened the last time someone tried a peaceful protest of corporate greed? They got marked as ultra-liberal lazy good-for-nothing scum and chased off the streets.

Actions only matter if you get through. And while $5.5 million isn't a lot to PayPal, it certainly got their attention, and drew attention to the case, and that's the right way to send a message.

I have no sympathy at all. They commit crimes they can pay the punishment. That's the difference between Anonymus and actual activists. Actual activists are willing to stand up for what they believe in and pay the cost for their actions at the time, soimetimes to the point of prison or even death.

Whenever I see these Anonymus activists get caught they whine and cry and snivel about how they weren't actually doing anything, or they have mental problems or whatever excuse.

I commend people like Gandhi, Mr. Weatherhead isn't anywhere in his league.

And if you say Gandhi's too big to be a good comparision, how about that 80 year old nun who vandalized a missile silo?

I'd be impressed if one of these Anonymus bunch did their thing, and when caught plead guilty and use it as a platform. Not say "I was just a network admin, so I'm not responsible"

LawyerScumGhost:
So Wall Street and big banks can rip people off for god knows how much, demand trillions in bail outs, get the trillions from us, crash the entire world economy and face NO justice. Not one big name involved in the housing/derivatives scam has spent 1 day in jail. John Corzine looted 1 billion in client funds from MF Global and is walking around scot-free. Mess with Pay Pal, and the hammer comes down. I guess "justice" is only for the little people.

The only difference is that in most cases, when people are riped off by banks, etc., said people simply don't read the damn papers they sign.
And in this particular situation, well, it's a demonstrative case I think. They need to create a legal precedent in order to deal with such cases in the future. (Sorry for my bad legal English)
As for big names walking free: BRIBES, BABE! No matter what you think of your goverment, there are always bribes. The only difference between different goverments is that somewhere it is kind of inapropriate to do (Western Europe), while in others it is a common practice (Post-Soviet countries).

NameIsRobertPaulson:

So when companies do amoral things, what should angry people do? File a complaint? Maybe get 20 or 30 friends to boycott the company? Maybe send a hurtful letter?

People! Should! Stop! Signing! The Damn! Papers! Without! Reading! Them!
Here is a thing: a contract, that was made according to law, has a power of a legal document (i.e. law) for parties which signed said document. Both parties simply MUST read each and every letter in this document BEFORE signing it. Most people read it thoroughly only AFTER shit hit the fan and then their lawyers can't do anything.

VMK:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

So when companies do amoral things, what should angry people do? File a complaint? Maybe get 20 or 30 friends to boycott the company? Maybe send a hurtful letter?

People! Should! Stop! Signing! The Damn! Papers! Without! Reading! Them!
Here is a thing: a contract, that was made according to law, has a power of a legal document (i.e. law) for parties which signed said document. Both parties simply MUST read each and every letter in this document BEFORE signing it. Most people read it thoroughly only AFTER shit hit the fan and then their lawyers can't do anything.

PayPal didn't do anything that a document of their services can stop. They stopped payment from people trying to give money for legal help for Julian Assange for no reason than because the US Government told them to stop. While it is their company, and they are legally allowed to do that, it is still critically amoral.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

VMK:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

So when companies do amoral things, what should angry people do? File a complaint? Maybe get 20 or 30 friends to boycott the company? Maybe send a hurtful letter?

People! Should! Stop! Signing! The Damn! Papers! Without! Reading! Them!
Here is a thing: a contract, that was made according to law, has a power of a legal document (i.e. law) for parties which signed said document. Both parties simply MUST read each and every letter in this document BEFORE signing it. Most people read it thoroughly only AFTER shit hit the fan and then their lawyers can't do anything.

PayPal didn't do anything that a document of their services can stop. They stopped payment from people trying to give money for legal help for Julian Assange for no reason than because the US Government told them to stop. While it is their company, and they are legally allowed to do that, it is still critically amoral.

Then blame american goverment for represions. I was more on a subject of "We iz litl humanz and big big bad companiz hurd uz" (Why pseudo WH 40K orkish?).
Wait...What Assange has to do with all of this? It is a news about a guy who hacked paypal "just for de lulz".

VMK:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

VMK:

People! Should! Stop! Signing! The Damn! Papers! Without! Reading! Them!
Here is a thing: a contract, that was made according to law, has a power of a legal document (i.e. law) for parties which signed said document. Both parties simply MUST read each and every letter in this document BEFORE signing it. Most people read it thoroughly only AFTER shit hit the fan and then their lawyers can't do anything.

PayPal didn't do anything that a document of their services can stop. They stopped payment from people trying to give money for legal help for Julian Assange for no reason than because the US Government told them to stop. While it is their company, and they are legally allowed to do that, it is still critically amoral.

Then blame american goverment for represions. I was more on a subject of "We iz litl humanz and big big bad companiz hurd uz" (Why pseudo WH 40K orkish?).
Wait...What Assange has to do with all of this? It is a news about a guy who hacked paypal "just for de lulz".

They hacked PayPal because of the Assange incident. "Doing It For Lulz" was an assumption by the internet community and the press based on Anon's previous actions before this incident.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

They hacked PayPal because of the Assange incident. "Doing It For Lulz" was an assumption by the internet community and the press based on Anon's previous actions before this incident.

This is kind of... idiotic. The goverment orders a payment service to stop certain transactions, so they hack the service? It's as if kids stone the ice-cream truck, because their mothers told the ice-cream seller to never sell them their favorite types.

VMK:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

They hacked PayPal because of the Assange incident. "Doing It For Lulz" was an assumption by the internet community and the press based on Anon's previous actions before this incident.

This is kind of... idiotic. The goverment orders a payment service to stop certain transactions, so they hack the service? It's as if kids stone the ice-cream truck, because their mothers told the ice-cream seller to never sell them their favorite types.

They did it because PayPal was stopping funds for Assange's defense, and by proxy, making it look like the US Government did not want to give Assange a fair trial because WikiLeaks gave away troop positions. Which would be a MASSIVE breach of human rights.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Darks63:
I'm glad to see these guys getting caught and getting charged maybe just maybe this will make it less kewl to hack, prolly not though.

So when companies do amoral things, what should angry people do? File a complaint? Maybe get 20 or 30 friends to boycott the company? Maybe send a hurtful letter?

At least they're doing something. Peaceful actions DO NOT WORK in this day and age. Know what happened the last time someone tried a peaceful protest of corporate greed? They got marked as ultra-liberal lazy good-for-nothing scum and chased off the streets.

Actions only matter if you get through. And while $5.5 million isn't a lot to PayPal, it certainly got their attention, and drew attention to the case, and that's the right way to send a message.

The problem is that your assuming it was done for the sake of protest I don't buy it, its a power game they do it for the rush of doing that much damage and the media uproar that can follow. People in general are not a selfless bunch that crusade for good they do things, they do things for self interest. Does it bother me that corporation get away with stuff yes, but doing crime to counter crime isnt the right way either and it has a strong chance of getting the internet regulated with the buzz words of "lets control these CYBERTERRORISTS".

LawyerScumGhost:
So Wall Street and big banks can rip people off for god knows how much, demand trillions in bail outs, get the trillions from us, crash the entire world economy and face NO justice. Not one big name involved in the housing/derivatives scam has spent 1 day in jail. John Corzine looted 1 billion in client funds from MF Global and is walking around scot-free. Mess with Pay Pal, and the hammer comes down. I guess "justice" is only for the little people.

I scrolled far too long before I found a post like this. Hypocrisy is abundant. It should be well known that the current legal system is not a system of justice, but a system of power. To believe anything else but sophism can exist when the unethical hold so much power is naive.

Shadow-Phoenix:

But one day just one day when the world is locked down and bleak as hell I can't wait for people who hated hackers to one day wish they were back and then hypocrisy comes full circle once more.

This.

 

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