PopCap Hiring for a Triple-A Game

PopCap Hiring for a Triple-A Game

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PopCap's next game could be powered by Battlefield 3's Frostbite engine.

When Electronic Arts acquired PopCap Games, the publisher gained a incredibly prominent foothold in the casual gaming market. Popular PopCap titles like Bejeweled, Peggle, and Plants Vs Zombies greatly distinguished the developer from EA's traditional hardcore market, and similar gaming experiences were expected to be produced under the new ownership. According to a recent EA job posting however, PopCap is actually branching out into the hardcore gaming scene. The developer is seeking a software engineer to assist in the development of a console-based triple-A title, lending credibility to the rumors that Plants Vs Zombies 2 will actually be a multiplayer shooter.

Outside of the usual requirements for a career in game development, PopCap is seeking an engineer experienced in modern consoles, specifically the PS3 and XBox 360. More importantly, the ideal candidate should be familiar with Frostbite 2, the engine used in hardcore shooters Battlefield 3 and Medal of Honor: Warfighter. Considering that the majority of PopCap's catalog can be run without hardware acceleration, this could mark the biggest graphical leap forward in the developer's decade-long history.

Unless PopCap is planning to turn Bejeweled into a cover-based shooter, Plants Vs Zombies 2 remains the best candidate for a triple-A experience. To be fair, the use of Frostbite doesn't necessarily mean PvZ 2 will be a shooter, as the engine is also being used for racing games and RPGs. Either way, considering that the majority of PopCap's catalog can be run without hardware acceleration, this is a fairly significant shift for the developer. It remains to be seen just how effectively PopCap can scale its signature gameplay to the triple-A industry.

Personally, I'll remain skeptical unless it turns out that PvZ will be remade as an X-Com-styled tactical shooter. At that point, all bets are off.

Source: EA Career Opportunities, via Joystiq

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Dear EA,
This is why people hate you. We gamers do not hate you because it it cool, or because the cool kids are doing it. We hate you because you make stupid decisions and urinate on the things we love.

EA please stop urinating on the things we love.

signed,
A Gamer

P.S. please ignore if this is a new IP. (ha ha I made a funny)

For some reason, I don't see this ending well. Probably because EA is involved.

Wow, wow, WOW!!! Maybe like this we will see Sin Episodes 2!!! Please, let the remainings of Ritual do it!!!

Fanghawk:
PvZ will be remade as an X-Com-styled tactical shooter

I keep throwing money at the screen but nothing is happening!

This sounds like a bad idea just waiting to happen. Pop Cap works because it makes really fine tuned games that anyone can learn to play and can run on any device. They can still keep that first part with higher graphics but there isn't much point, a casual audience doesn't really care about graphical power as much as art style. The second part is completely out the window, I can't run something like Battlefield 3 on my computer, there is no way someone will be able to do it on a smart phone. People like to complain about developers like Bioware trying to expand their audience to much, right now I feel like complaining that Pop Cap is narrowing there's.

I know that the definitions of "hardcore" and "casual" are always open for debate, but I think it should be clear that it shouldn't be mindlessly used for games just because they have bigger budgets and 3D environments. Espeially not if we are talking about EA's typical offerings, that tends to be some of the most idiot-friendly, hand-holding, generic bland "whichever genre is most popular at the moment" products.

Fanghawk:
Personally, I'll remain skeptical unless it turns out that PvZ will be remade as an X-Com-styled tactical shooter. At that point, all bets are off.

Nuts to your X-Com, Plants vs Zombies as an old-school Westwood RTS! That would rock several different kinds of cocks.

Imagine Red Alert 2, except you're defending Washington from zombies, and it's all about strategic plant deployment...

Entitled:
I know that the definitions of "hardcore" and "casual" are always open for debate

No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

SonicWaffle:

Entitled:
I know that the definitions of "hardcore" and "casual" are always open for debate

No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

Well, apparently the above news article still felt it important to make up it's own terminology about them...

Entitled:

SonicWaffle:

Entitled:
I know that the definitions of "hardcore" and "casual" are always open for debate

No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

Well, apparently the above news article still felt it important to make up it's own terminology about them...

Yes, but that doesn't mean we have to fall into the same trap.

Louzerman102:
Dear EA,
This is why people hate you. We gamers do not hate you because it it cool, or because the cool kids are doing it. We hate you because you make stupid decisions and urinate on the things we love.

EA please stop urinating on the things we love.

signed,
A Gamer

P.S. please ignore if this is a new IP. (ha ha I made a funny)

Dear A Gamer,

Sorry, we can't hear you over the sound of all our MONEY!!! :D

signed,
EA

P.S. We'll stop abusing our IPs when you stop buying the games.

Hmmm, Possibly a Plants vs Zombies MMO ? I maybe off in my thought process but that would be interesting and may not seem to much of a stretch from the current game's premise.

SonicWaffle:

Entitled:

SonicWaffle:

No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

Well, apparently the above news article still felt it important to make up it's own terminology about them...

Yes, but that doesn't mean we have to fall into the same trap.

We don't, but that also means that your initial statement about these words no longer being debated, is wrong.

In that case, that "we are too busy enjoying our games" line is just a thought-terminating cliché.

SonicWaffle:
No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

You saying people don't have a varying commitment to and involvement in gaming? Stop having kneejerk reactions to simple terms. At no point was the article even remotely mean to casual gamers. That Battlefield and Pants vs. Zombies are aimed at different audiences is a matter of fact, and I don't get this need to play pretend and do things as vapid as restraining oneself from specifying further than "gamer".

It's like the tired, pointless old "it's just different" argument.

rembrandtqeinstein:

Fanghawk:
PvZ will be remade as an X-Com-styled tactical shooter

I keep throwing money at the screen but nothing is happening!

try more change that should work

OT: just because Frostbite can make shooters doesn't mean it will.

Hey, Popcap. Did you fire George Fan (you know, the mind behind PvZ, possibly your biggest game ever) because you knew there would be violence if you pulled this bullshit with him still in the building?

I don't know if it's true. I hope it's not true. But even if it isn't, whether this particular shock of bourbon-and-airplane-glue inspired brilliance to turn Popcap towards AAA Frostbite-powered console development came from within or from the Evil Archenemy, it's the worst move since someone decided a dialogue-and-plot-centric company like Bioware should be tasked with handling a multiplayer-only version of the C&C:Generals franchise.

(Who was behind that decision? Oh, right...)

Entitled:

SonicWaffle:

Entitled:

Well, apparently the above news article still felt it important to make up it's own terminology about them...

Yes, but that doesn't mean we have to fall into the same trap.

We don't, but that also means that your initial statement about these words no longer being debated, is wrong.

I never said they weren't being debated. You said they were "open for debate", which is normally used to suggest an issue which has not yet been conclusively decided. My point is that we really really should have decided this issue by now, because it's such a pitiful thing to argue; that someone is a lesser gamer by virtue of the games they play. There may be people still debating it, but the question itself is done and dusted.

Entitled:
In that case, that "we are too busy enjoying our games" line is just a thought-terminating cliché.

How so? Way I see it, if you're actually up in arms about how people who play Boomblox or Zynga games are inferior to you, you've got a problem. For those of us who play video games because we enjoy video games, hardcore vs casual is meaningless; it's just more people deriving enjoyment from gaming.

Fanghawk:
the engine used in hardcore shooters Battlefield 3 and Metal of Honor: Warfighter.

I'd play that. Do you fire the gun by shredding your guitar even harder?

OT: AGAHUGWJGLKAHgjASK SJDK qkHLDSAHAJLRKYHWQJGKLJQDSGKlHASGjgJKRQJWLNBLFJnvIOrUQOIBHNKLAlaFJAKL.

I'm assuming that Plants vs. Zombies 2 will be the game in question. There's no way it will ever end well... ever.

lacktheknack:

Fanghawk:
the engine used in hardcore shooters Battlefield 3 and Metal of Honor: Warfighter.

I'd play that. Do you fire the gun by shredding your guitar even harder?

The Frostbite engine is apparently more versatile than I thought. :)

Fixed.

Hammeroj:

SonicWaffle:
No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

You saying people don't have a varying commitment to and involvement in gaming? Stop having kneejerk reactions to simple terms.

There is a difference between simple descriptive terms and terms which are used in a hostile and insulting fashion. Gamers take pride from a label like "hardcore" and take umbrage to a label like "casual", because the terms have gained deeper connotations than just playing games more/less.

I happily admit that I play games casually, but when someone calls me a casual gamer I know that the majority of times that isn't what they mean. They're attempting to belittle and insult while simultaneously massaging their own ego; they are hardcore and therefore superior, whereas the casual is inferior and "not a real gamer"

Hammeroj:
At no point was the article even remotely mean to casual gamers.

No mention should have been made of casual gamers at all. As already stated, casual and hardcore have evolved beyond being a reference to how much someone plays games and have become more about egotistical elitism.

Hammeroj:
That Battlefield and Pants vs. Zombies are aimed at different audiences is a matter of fact, and I don't get this need to play pretend and do things as vapid as restraining oneself from specifying further than "gamer".

It's like the tired, pointless old "it's just different" argument.

Are they truly aimed at different audiences? Because if we took a poll of the players on this very site who played and enjoyed both, I imagine we'd get some high numbers.

The only difference is that it's OK to belittle people who only enjoyed PvZ as "casual", whereas people who only enjoyed Battlefield are "hardcore"

SonicWaffle:

Entitled:
In that case, that "we are too busy enjoying our games" line is just a thought-terminating cliché.

How so? Way I see it, if you're actually up in arms about how people who play Boomblox or Zynga games are inferior to you, you've got a problem. For those of us who play video games because we enjoy video games, hardcore vs casual is meaningless; it's just more people deriving enjoyment from gaming.

It's a thought-terminating cliché, because you are using this phrase to create a false dichotomy, "you can either just play video games because you enjoy them, OR you can debate the definition of hardcore and casual".

It's also a borderline No True Gamer argument. I find the whole elitism/inclusiveness/subcultural identification/etc. debate fascinating, and I often participate in them, on whichever side appears more symphatetic at the moment. Does that mean that when I play my games, I'm not truly enjoying them?

Besides, it's also quite hypocritcal to claim that, while you yourself are the one in this thread who started the whole definition-debating:

I made my original comment with the benefit of doubt that the article used the two terms to referred to levels of commitment and involvement, as opposed to gamer supremacism, and accordingly commented that this might not necessarily be true, an AAA game, especially one that one might expectfrom EA, can be just as if not more shallow, and simple, and easy-to-use, and generally casual, as a 2D puzzle game, or a tower defense, while many low-budget games can demand lots of involvement and have a steep learning curve, being much more "hardcore" than EA's average AAA game.

You somehow escalated that into ranting about gamer supremacism anyways.

I'll get started on Pop-Cap's grave-site. I reckon I can squeeze it in-between Westwood's and the plot I just finished for Bioware.

SonicWaffle:

Hammeroj:

SonicWaffle:
No, they really aren't. We're supposed to have moved past the egocentric "hardcore" bullshit by now, and all be too busy enjoying our games to give a shit whether somebody else enjoys Farmville more than CoD and whether that makes us better gamers than them.

You saying people don't have a varying commitment to and involvement in gaming? Stop having kneejerk reactions to simple terms.

There is a difference between simple descriptive terms and terms which are used in a hostile and insulting fashion. Gamers take pride from a label like "hardcore" and take umbrage to a label like "casual", because the terms have gained deeper connotations than just playing games more/less.

I happily admit that I play games casually, but when someone calls me a casual gamer I know that the majority of times that isn't what they mean. They're attempting to belittle and insult while simultaneously massaging their own ego; they are hardcore and therefore superior, whereas the casual is inferior and "not a real gamer"

The terms were not used in a hostile and insulting fashion, and they do actually describe something. Account for context. This is the definition of kneejerking against certain words and all you're doing here is stirring up shit raging against something that wasn't said.

Unless you're replying to a specific event, preferably one that happened in the same thread you want to vent in, this is:
A) Conjecture as to some mysterious person's motives and opinions, and;
B) Completely irrelevant to the topic.

Even aside that, what would you prefer, then? Coming up with a different term to describe the same thing?

Hammeroj:
At no point was the article even remotely mean to casual gamers.

No mention should have been made of casual gamers at all. As already stated, casual and hardcore have evolved beyond being a reference to how much someone plays games and have become more about egotistical elitism.

No mention should have been... Why, exactly? We know the word touches a soft spot for you, but that doesn't take away the potentially valid point of AAA games and previous Popcap games being made with different design philosophies in mind.

Hammeroj:
That Battlefield and Pants vs. Zombies are aimed at different audiences is a matter of fact, and I don't get this need to play pretend and do things as vapid as restraining oneself from specifying further than "gamer".

It's like the tired, pointless old "it's just different" argument.

Are they truly aimed at different audiences? Because if we took a poll of the players on this very site who played and enjoyed both, I imagine we'd get some high numbers.

The only difference is that it's OK to belittle people who only enjoyed PvZ as "casual", whereas people who only enjoyed Battlefield are "hardcore"

Yes. I don't know why you're assuming there has to be a complete mutual exclusivity between audiences.

Stop fighting windmills.

EVERYTHING MUST BE SHOOTERS

LONG LIVE EA

tbh i would play madden if it was turned into a shooter

People can whine and cry all they like about it, but I would play the hell out of a PvZ shooter. I'd like an X-com style TBS even more.

weirdguy:
EVERYTHING MUST BE SHOOTERS

LONG LIVE EA

tbh i would play madden if it was turned into a shooter

It's already made. It's called Unreal Tournament 2004, the gamemode is called Bombing Run. Have fun!

Callate:
Hey, Popcap. Did you fire George Fan (you know, the mind behind PvZ, possibly your biggest game ever) because you knew there would be violence if you pulled this bullshit with him still in the building?

I don't know if it's true. I hope it's not true. But even if it isn't, whether this particular shock of bourbon-and-airplane-glue inspired brilliance to turn Popcap towards AAA Frostbite-powered console development came from within or from the Evil Archenemy, it's the worst move since someone decided a dialogue-and-plot-centric company like Bioware should be tasked with handling a multiplayer-only version of the C&C:Generals franchise.

(Who was behind that decision? Oh, right...)

I still can't figure out how that's a good idea. Seriously EA truely are idiots that have no idea what their doing. It's official, their no longer a game company, just an investment business trying to make money from IPs they've bought out.

I'll be amazed if they turn PvZ into an FPS. That would be so unbelievably stupid. And cool. But mostly stupid.

 

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