US Intelligence Body Reveals Cyborg-Infested Vision of Year 2030

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Well, that should still be well within my normal life span. Time to make a list of augmentations and prepare the founding of the Mechanicum.

Dimitriov:

PoolCleaningRobot:

Dimitriov:
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You suddenly raised an extremely interesting point by comparing these things to cars and other stuff we use as not being a part of us. It made me reflect on the importance of tools to the human race and how they're really the only thing we have going for us. When you think about, a tool is just an extension of the mind that a human was able to make real. Men don't have sharp claws so they envisioned spears and made them real. Tools are part of ourselves that can be just as personal as our arms legs when you think about it. Even if we replaced all the parts of our bodies the human thing that really matters is the mind and our imagination to create more.

..... Buuuuuut.... Even with all that said your argument's kinda invalid anyway. Cybernetic enhancements like this wouldn't be normal things like a car. They would be replacing something we already have like an arm or an eye and you'd be integrating it into your body so it would definitely become a part of yourself.

TL;DR Just play Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it. Human are not the fastest, strongest, or largest animal it's true. But we are arguably one of the, if not the, most adaptable and widely skilled species.

And tools are only really an inherent part of a person insofar as that person can make them him or herself. If you were alone by yourself in the world you would of course be able to create tools to help yourself survive - you wouldn't be able to make yourself a new arm or leg. And yes, if you're wondering, I do think it's pathetic how reliant most people are on the entirety of civilization for their survival.

And just because it's integrated into your body does NOT make it a part of yourself. That's simply absurd. Frankly I find the idea of replacing something in your body that functions perfectly well with some alien thing to be both sad and sickening. It represents the height of laziness - you want to run faster or jump higher? Well forget exercising and working at it. Why not just get a new limb built for you?

It seems to come from the frankly pants-on-head-retarded idea that has developed in western culture: that is that the mind is somehow a separate thing from your body. No your "mind" is the workings of your brain, which is the large, physical, centre of your nervous system - and is designed specifically to operate and work in conjunction with the rest of your body. The entirety of their physicality is who a person is.

If someone loses their arm or leg then that certainly doesn't make them less human - but it undeniably means there is less of them. Therefore, your body is who and what you are.

And you seem to have ignored the important part I made about the human components being the least important part of a cyborg. Taken to it's theoretical, and admittedly currently fictitious, extreme, a cyborg would just be an incredible robot with some useless organic bits tacked on and effectively holding it back. I cannot imagine how anyone could view such a fate as being worse than a living hell.

If this really is the future then I hope our species dies right now...

However, I don't believe this is the future, and I will continue to hope that our species will continue to grow and improve itself, rather than render itself obsolete.

Uhhhhhhhh.... I think you're completely wrong about everything ever. Whoa that's kinda hard to say.

"Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it" is that a joke? Go out into the woods and fight a tiger with your bare hands and tell me how that goes. And your missing my point. The (obvious) thing humans have going for them is their minds but what good is that if you can't do shit with it? All you can do with your brain is make things that make other things easier and then spreading that knowledge to others. And even though I didn't invent something like say the Internet, I'm fully capable of using it to better myself. And what's wrong with the idea of the mind and body being separate? When you see someone like Steven Hawking who can barely move his fingers do you judge him by his body or his mind? His brain is clearly not working and functioning with the rest of his body even though it was specifically made for him. He's basically replaced his body with his electric because it can't do shit for him. And the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude is truly pants-on-head retarded. Why did they invent telephones and computers anyway? Were carrier pidgins not good enough?

I don't know what the future holds either and I like the arms and legs I got so don't I'll jump at the chance to replace them anytime soon. And I for one love civilization and I'm don't feel its pathetic to say that I rely on it since humans can only really progress and achieve more as a group

PoolCleaningRobot:

Uhhhhhhhh.... I think you're completely wrong about everything ever. Whoa that's kinda hard to say.

"Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it" is that a joke? Go out into the woods and fight a tiger with your bare hands and tell me how that goes. And your missing my point. The (obvious) thing humans have going for them is their minds but what good is that if you can't do shit with it? All you can do with your brain is make things that make other things easier and then spreading that knowledge to others. And even though I didn't invent something like say the Internet, I'm fully capable of using it to better myself. And what's wrong with the idea of the mind and body being separate? When you see someone like Steven Hawking who can barely move his fingers do you judge him by his body or his mind? His brain is clearly not working and functioning with the rest of his body even though it was specifically made for him. He's basically replaced his body with his electric because it can't do shit for him. And the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude is truly pants-on-head retarded. Why did they invent telephones and computers anyway? Were carrier pidgins not good enough?

I don't know what the future holds either and I like the arms and legs I got so don't I'll jump at the chance to replace them anytime soon. And I for one love civilization and I'm don't feel its pathetic to say that I rely on it since humans can only really progress and achieve more as a group

And I in turn think you are completely wrong about everything ever. So we'll just have to leave it at that.

Though I will just add that tigers are hardly the only other animal in existence. Are you suggesting that no creature is capable of survival or anything else if it can't fight a tiger? Of course you aren't, so I really don't see what that has to do with anything.

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