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This is a marketing ploy by his company as far as I am concerned. Has anyone heard of this guy until you've read the article? He's exploiting a tragedy to give his company essentially free advertisement as far as I am concerned. I am perhaps being a tad too cynical but considering the complete lack of association between his company and event it's a tad off to do something like this.

Squilookle:

Baresark:

Squilookle:

As in, a call to improve it, or just mentioning it?

Sorry about that, I didn't mean to post right away, I was going to expand on what I was saying. My hand jumped to the mouse so quick I could barely stop it. It's not a gun control issue. It's a mental health issue. This person wanted to kill and the lack of guns would not have stopped him.

Hmm I'm not so sure about that, but perhaps at the outset I should have just said 'astronomical annual gun fatalities' instead of mentioning gun control.

The problem is that those are more linked to social issues more than anything. Poor people, drug and sex trade, things like that. If people start murdering people with hammers more, no one is going to argue for stronger hammer control. No one is going to deny a carpenter a hammer based on an arbitrary "cool down" period. Guns are the easy go to for this situation, but if you are going to sit there and deny that "astronomical annual gun fatalities" is not a social or mental health issue, you are incorrect. To sound cliche, guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm not saying that gun control laws are perfect, they clearly need a lot of work. But this didn't happen because he had access to firearms, this happened because he was mentally disturbed. It's easy to sit there and blame guns, but if/when you remove them, people are still gonna die as the result of these plaguing social/mental health issues. Any other reasoning simply denies the existence of the source of the problem in favor of the tool often used.

Me not shooting things has as little effect on the wider world as me shooting things. I plan to show my respect by being respectful. Might as well have me stop eating biscuits for as much relevance as games have to the shooting. Games had NOTHING to do with that shooting and the gaming community even recognising the event as being linked to their hobby is a sign of accepting it is. I think the people running this just want to feel good about themselves by 'doing something' which I cannot agree with. Nice free publicity fella.

It's a nice idea, if nothing else.

Yeah, I'm probably not going to do this. Whether or not I play any shooters that day is all relative to what I'm in the mood to play at the time, not because of incidents that happen elsewhere.

Do I feel sorry for those lost and their families? Of course I do. Do I find that I'm obligated to do things to show sympathy? Not really, no. Especially when you ask that this only applies to games. What about action movies with guns, or comics with guns, or hell, trashy novels with guns? Should we avoid those too in order to show sympathy? I'm going to guess no, that no one is going to advocate doing any of that.

If I decided to avoid something every time a tragedy happens in the world to show sympathy, I probably would never be able to do anything.

Baresark:

Squilookle:

Baresark:

Sorry about that, I didn't mean to post right away, I was going to expand on what I was saying. My hand jumped to the mouse so quick I could barely stop it. It's not a gun control issue. It's a mental health issue. This person wanted to kill and the lack of guns would not have stopped him.

Hmm I'm not so sure about that, but perhaps at the outset I should have just said 'astronomical annual gun fatalities' instead of mentioning gun control.

The problem is that those are more linked to social issues more than anything. Poor people, drug and sex trade, things like that. If people start murdering people with hammers more, no one is going to argue for stronger hammer control. No one is going to deny a carpenter a hammer based on an arbitrary "cool down" period. Guns are the easy go to for this situation, but if you are going to sit there and deny that "astronomical annual gun fatalities" is not a social or mental health issue, you are incorrect. To sound cliche, guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm not saying that gun control laws are perfect, they clearly need a lot of work. But this didn't happen because he had access to firearms, this happened because he was mentally disturbed. It's easy to sit there and blame guns, but if/when you remove them, people are still gonna die as the result of these plaguing social/mental health issues. Any other reasoning simply denies the existence of the source of the problem in favor of the tool often used.

I'm not so sure he could have killed 26 people with a hammer before being overpowered, but regardless we're getting off topic- my beef here is with the worldwide call for all gamers to stop playing because of an issue in one country- not with the way that one country handles the problem itself.

im doing it, i still have some no shotter, it SKYRIM TIME!

So if not playing shooters means respect to the family and victims... then playing them anyway means... disrespect?
I realise that's not what anyone is saying, but it's what is implied by the logic of this whole thing, and since it isn't actually the case then why bother?

Yeah no thanks, I'll just stick with my shooters and not let some arse-hole psycopath darken another of my days.

Squilookle:
Why should the whole world stop gaming just because one country has hopeless gun control?

To make a statement that....Wait, what is the statement again?

America: the land of empty token gestures.

Okay, so on topic, let me just say this: The shooting in CT was horrible. I'm sad that I've had to start making a disclaimer like that, but I'm sick of people countering anything I say with statements that make it sound like I enjoyed it or something. I have family and friends who live near the area, so it hits me sort of close to home. I'm not happy it happened, and I'm not happy with the way things are.

But if I game on the 21st, and if I play a shooter on the 21st, it will not be to disrespect the dead. If I don't, it will not be because of this campaign. This is an empty, meaningless gesture and we really don't need to add more of them. That's what America does: we mourn, say it's a tragedy, and move on like nothing happened. We need to talk about the serious issues here:

1. Why are these shootings really happening?
2. Gun control (pro or con, there NEEDS TO BE DIALOGUE)
3. Mental health.

And we need to then come up with something. We need a resolution, rather than tabling it until the next massacre (school shooting or otherwise), which IS our usual solution to these things.

I'm not going to ignore the lives that were lost. But that has nothing at all to do with gaming.

VeryOddGamer:
Still, I might take part in this too, Dawn of War isn't a shooter, right?

No, Dawn of War falls into a genre formally known as 'f*ckawesome'. I think you're safe. ;D

PS - at some point in the near future I worry they're going to turn off the servers for it. Does this seem likely to you?

I can't play CoD with just knives. I get my ass kicked already.

I can appreciate the sentiment but wouldn't it be a lot better to get people to stop shooting REAL guns for a day? If they can get that to happen, I'll stop shooting digital guns for a day.

I still find it interesting that people insist that this is EITHER a gun control issue OR a mental health issue when it's obviously both.

How long would it have taken a mentally ill person to shoot 27 people back when the 2nd amendment was written?

Squilookle:

Baresark:

Squilookle:

Hmm I'm not so sure about that, but perhaps at the outset I should have just said 'astronomical annual gun fatalities' instead of mentioning gun control.

The problem is that those are more linked to social issues more than anything. Poor people, drug and sex trade, things like that. If people start murdering people with hammers more, no one is going to argue for stronger hammer control. No one is going to deny a carpenter a hammer based on an arbitrary "cool down" period. Guns are the easy go to for this situation, but if you are going to sit there and deny that "astronomical annual gun fatalities" is not a social or mental health issue, you are incorrect. To sound cliche, guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm not saying that gun control laws are perfect, they clearly need a lot of work. But this didn't happen because he had access to firearms, this happened because he was mentally disturbed. It's easy to sit there and blame guns, but if/when you remove them, people are still gonna die as the result of these plaguing social/mental health issues. Any other reasoning simply denies the existence of the source of the problem in favor of the tool often used.

I'm not so sure he could have killed 26 people with a hammer before being overpowered, but regardless we're getting off topic- my beef here is with the worldwide call for all gamers to stop playing because of an issue in one country- not with the way that one country handles the problem itself.

You are right, we are off topic. It's simple really, no one has to do what this guy is asking. I am not going to do it simply because I hate to add further to the sensationalism of the situation. And it would be like collective gamers admitting that gaming has something to do with violent crime, despite what the guy may have stated. Also, there have been situation where if more people were allowed to be armed, similar catastrophes could have been averted, but we'll just gloss over them now.

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I was for it but after reading other posts, this would have the opptisite effect and only add fuel to the games=violence debate which is what nutjobs like Jack Thompson want; and seeing how gun regulation is now back in the nation spotlight, I would not want restricting violence in video games or restricting video games in general dragged into this mess.

Elijah Newton:

VeryOddGamer:
Still, I might take part in this too, Dawn of War isn't a shooter, right?

No, Dawn of War falls into a genre formally known as 'f*ckawesome'. I think you're safe. ;D

PS - at some point in the near future I worry they're going to turn off the servers for it. Does this seem likely to you?

I don't know, I suck at it, so I'm just fucking around in Dark Crusade's campaign. Although I hope they don't, in case I ever get the sudden urge to play it online.

Baresark:
LoL, it was only a matter of time before someone started yelling gun control. A person wanted to take the lives of these people, and no amount of gun control would have prevented that. He would have used homemade pipebombs, or taken a knife and started killing people. It's a mental health issue more than anything.

No, Why should we not make this about Gun Control? The People over at Fox News aren't talking about "Games & Violence" because They believe one cause the other. They do it becuase they don't want us to talk about Gun Control. I say we hurt them, let it backfire. Make it about Gun Control, make it about the fact that the world would be a better place if that guy had a knife insted. If the US had some bloody Gun Control the nut would not kill as many as he did. This idea that if we can't stop something completely we should not decrease the damage is the idea of someone that will do nothing that matter.

Try to get the Team Fortress and CoD addicts on board, then talk to me...

Baresark:

The problem is that those are more linked to social issues more than anything. Poor people, drug and sex trade, things like that.

That's been debunked time and again.

To sound cliche, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

But they are made a whole lot easier by guns, which is where that specious statement starts to break down.

Seriously, when is the last time someone used a hammer to directly kill dozens of people? Or, since cars almost inevitably come up, when's the last time someone drove a car into a school or movie theater and used it to kill people? Hell, contrast it to the 22 stabbings at a school in China. Most were not seriously injured, none died.

Besides, why facilitate murderers? The logic of "they're just going to do it anyway" is ridiculous. shouldn't murder be harder? Should we make it easy for someone to kill 27 people?

Do we oppose seatbelts because people are going to die anyway? We even say "seatbelts save lives," even though steabelts don't save people, people save people.

Are we against food safety because some people will invariably get sick?

When a natural disaster happens, do we just shrug and say "what are you going to do?"

It's pretty damn hard to massacre with a hammer. Or a bowling ball. Or even a knife.

felbot:
I don't even play shooters so, yay I am doing charity without actually doing anything, or something like charity.

I am going to be honest I am not sure how this helps anybody.

This.

You wanna help? Go to Connecticut. Offer your actual support and donate money for the funerals. Not playing games for a day is essentially praying, what the fuck is that going to do? Oh they're "in my thoughts." Fuck off. This does nothing to support the people who lost their kids.

You want to actually show some support? Some real respect? Learn the name of a victim. Provide a material or a skill to those affected. Don't be part of a coy publicity stint.

A. How can I stop playing something I already don't?
B. If something else terrible happens that day it could possibly be blamed on the unexpected void in gaming that day.(It's a stretch sure but someone might pull.)
C. Such short notice it won't get out to everyone and everyone who does here likely won't listen so there goes the unified angle.(Not including people playing out of spite.)
D. What time zone would this start in? Your own? then some people could still be playing during every hour of the day.

Wouldn't verifying would require some one to be online to check right? or have access to the various networks traffic records. The intent is nice but the plan is a bit flawed.

ShadowKirby:
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There are plenty of better ways to show respect for the victims of what happened. Not playing video games for a day provides no benefit to anybody, and doesn't bring back the dead. What it does do, is provide 'evidence' for those biased media outlets that video games are linked to the atrocity, and that is something, as a gamer, I do not accept. A better way to show respect would be to organise gamers donating to an appropriate charity, but this solves nothing, and only paints the picture that violent media somehow 'corrupts' peoples minds.

Baresark:

Sorry about that, I didn't mean to post right away, I was going to expand on what I was saying. My hand jumped to the mouse so quick I could barely stop it. It's not a gun control issue. It's a mental health issue. This person wanted to kill and the lack of guns would not have stopped him.

I doubt pretty much everything you're saying. It's hard to kill someone with a knife. It requires effort, and strength. When someone decides "I'm gonna kill everyone in my school", he may very well be stopped short by the notion that he doesn't really have a good enough tool for the job.

A gun is easy. Point; shoot. You don't need more than a sidearm, and a Glock can easily hold 20 or more bullets. One bullet is enough to kill someone. But if you get jumped by 2 or more people, it's pretty hard to take both of them on, even with a melee weapon.

No, it very much is a gun control issue. As long as people will continue to get these urges, it will remain a gun control issue. Guns may be just tools, but they're murder tools.

To illustrate my point: let's take this to the extreme and say someone gives you a button. If you press it, a bomb blows up and you kill 1000 people. Taking the decision to press it is easy, it requires virtually no effort, and if you're a real misanthropist you might even do it. But not even the worst mental health problems will ever enable you to kill 1000 people one at a time.

"We are simply making a statement that we as Gamers are not going to sit back and ignore the lives that were lost,"

Well I as a Gamer most certainly am going to sit back from making a useless, pointless gesture that will help absolutely no one. If I was a victim's relative, I wouldn't want the world to mourn because of me. That would just be selfish.

Goliath100:

No, Why should we not make this about Gun Control? The People over at Fox News aren't talking about "Games & Violence" because They believe one cause the other. They do it becuase they don't want us to talk about Gun Control. I say we hurt them, let it backfire. Make it about Gun Control, make it about the fact that the world would be a better place if that guy had a knife insted. If the US had some bloody Gun Control the nut would not kill as many as he did. This idea that if we can't stop something completely we should not decrease the damage is the idea of someone that will do nothing that matter.

Since you mentioned Fox News, you must surely be familiar with the false equivalence fallacy.

It is the "fair and balanced" notion that knives and the like are equally as deadly as guns.

As long as people hold that artificial equity true, it's virtually impossible to argue safety.

If I thought it might make one spec of difference for anyone, I might not scoff at the idea quite so hard.

The Great JT:
It's a nice idea, if nothing else.

Actually, it isn't a nice idea. It is if anything a harmful idea because doing what this guilt trip wants us to do(which at the core is nothing more than equal to white guilt) is enabling those like Jack Thompson(who is still advocating against video games even while disbarred) to have some legitimate evidence because what we do is more important when it comes to blown up tragedies like this.

This is a sad tragedy but it isn't an issue that involves video games at all when the main issue is investigating why the shooter was able to get a gun and how it was acquired be it legally or illegally.

There is a reason as much as the brits hate it today for "keep calm and carry on". It had a meaning in the past which meant to not let atrocities impede what you do in your daily life. Right now the blame is being shifted onto video games and having these guilt trip situations only help the other side that want to ban our hobby.

So no, it isn't a nice idea at all.

This is kinda sad. Come on guys, will not playing shooters for ONE day really be that hard? It's a single stinking day for pity's sake.

On the topic of what the media will say, who cares? They been blaming games since Columbine, and they're still going to no matter what we do. Why do we have to care? They have already tried and failed to get anti-game laws passed, and what makes you think that will be different now?

Yes, this is a pointless gesture. No, it will not change anything. But, it still is a show of respect for the people involved, and to top it off, it requires very little effort. So, just don't play shooters for a single day, do you really have nothing else to play or do?

Oh, and for all those people who actually want to play violent shooters, "out of spite", shame on you. I can understand it if you just don't care enough to participate (I don't like it, but I can understand), but if you want to play a game you wouldn't normally play, like Postal, just to spite the people who actually want to show respect, then you are just being selfish, petty, and obtuse.

This is quite a clever idea, but you'll never stop gamers playing games.

This seems a bit out of left field. My only issue with this is that it is adding a connection between the shootings and the games where there isn't one already. I'm not going to do anything differently that day either way. Hell, that's supposed to be doomsday. If the world is ending, then I'd be more inclined to not care about anything anymore.

I am one of the most active posters in the recent gun debate here on the escapist in favour of strict gun control in America. Yet despite that, I believe this is nonsense. A computer game has nothing to do with reality and if you indulge something like this then you are validating the Fox News stance that they do.

I have been playing Planetside 2 lately, I will continue playing Planetside 2. That decision has absolutely nothing to do with the gun debate, with the shooting, or real life at all. It is an escape from reality, as all games are designed to be.

People are free to express their condolences however they wish, but I can't say I'm impressed by this. The decision to "cease" shooter games is completely arbitrary and unwittingly lends credibility to the shoddy, distasteful, and hypocritical reporting on this tragedy.

Baresark:
The problem is that those are more linked to social issues more than anything. Poor people, drug and sex trade, things like that. If people start murdering people with hammers more, no one is going to argue for stronger hammer control. No one is going to deny a carpenter a hammer based on an arbitrary "cool down" period. Guns are the easy go to for this situation, but if you are going to sit there and deny that "astronomical annual gun fatalities" is not a social or mental health issue, you are incorrect. To sound cliche, guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm not saying that gun control laws are perfect, they clearly need a lot of work. But this didn't happen because he had access to firearms, this happened because he was mentally disturbed. It's easy to sit there and blame guns, but if/when you remove them, people are still gonna die as the result of these plaguing social/mental health issues. Any other reasoning simply denies the existence of the source of the problem in favor of the tool often used.

Guns, unlike the hammers in your god-awful analogy, are instruments specifically designed for killing and they are disturbingly efficient at it. Nobody is arguing that homicides would disappear if guns were more strictly controlled. But would you not agree that the Sandy Hook incident would have been far less deadly had the assailant been armed with a hammer rather than a semi-automatic rifle? How did having firearms just lying around not exacerbate things?

Dumbest shit I've ever seen, how about instead of just denying yourself entertainment for 24 hours you go do something worthwhile?

How about no?

It's one thing to feel bad about it, but no amount of dead children is going to keep me from playing video games that I paid for.

With the winter sale expected to start soon I wonder if Steam will have any daily deals on shooters that day.

Judging from people's reactions both here and on the original site, it seems to me like it doesn't matter what we as gamers do, we are fucked regardless.

If we choose to follow with the cease fire, we get blamed for "supporting the view that games cause violence," but if we choose to ignore it then we get blamed for "supporting the view that gamers are ungrateful, hateful, spiteful, etc." So either way, we're fucked.

This is like those people who tell me not to buy gas on a certain day, right?

Zachary Amaranth:

Squilookle:
Why should the whole world stop gaming just because one country has hopeless gun control?

To make a statement that....Wait, what is the statement again?

America: the land of empty token gestures.

You've hit the nail on the head.

The problem with this proposed event is not that it will put blame on video games. It's that it's an empty gesture 100% unconnected with the tragedy yet intended to create a sense of connection to it in the players who support it. I may as well say, "To honor the victims and family of this tragedy, I will not eat at KFC today." It's a trivial gesture that makes people feel good about themselves while accomplishing nothing for the actual victims.

If you want to honor the victim's families, actually do something for them. Write a condolence letter. Donate to victim's support groups. Look for victims of violence in your own communities and assist them. It's great that the gaming community has this impulse to do good, no matter how misguided it is. But people have to actually follow through with meaningful action if they want it to amount to anything.

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