Newtown Boy Campaigns Against Violent Games

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i get the feeling anyone with a brain knowing games weren't the cause of the shooting and want games are going to occasionally slip by this dumpster if it's not watched or in some way locked is going to have free game's if undamaged and make people's "trash" the their treasure. I mean seriously if i saw someone throw away a xbox 360 version or well any copy of Xcom EU or farcry 3 id flip id just probably just ask for it. Though if not may slightly be tempted to go through that trash but probably not since i may be arrested i think or fined the amount the game would actually cost.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

ANImaniac89:
I feel bad for this kid, but honestly I find is despicable for someone to use a tragedy such as this to push there own personal morals.

sethisjimmy:
Instead of imploring people to throw away their violent games, he should focus on creating discussion and debate. He hasn't even given a reason to do it, he's just taking advantage of this tragedy to try and push his own ideals onto others.

His tragedy is unfortunate but he's really missing the target here, trying to blame whoever he can.

Hold on, I gotta read the article again:

12-year-old

Max was a regular Call of Duty player with the approval of his parents

Now I don't know this kid but he probably has a pretty damn good reason to believe video games cause violence.

Also, what do you mean this isn't the to talk about your morals/ideals?

When something terrible like this happens, I think it's not just good but the best time to talk about them: This is the time when people are the most excited to talk about them. Now that something that shook the entire country happened.

People want to know why this happened, how can we stop it from happening again, and we're anxious to find answers. The more people discuss this the more perspective we get, and we need to get as much of if as possible.

Maybe people can actually make the damn country better if they just talk about it.

That's exactly what I said. The problem is he isn't looking for discussion, he's just asking people to do what he thinks should be done without question. I think this is a perfect opportunity to discuss values, but when people make extremist assumptions like this kid, they tend to block out discussion and revert to pointless blame.

Instead of advising people to throw away their games, he could campaign to open a discussion with various game developers on why they include violence in their games, or at least offer an explanation as to why he thinks violent video games are bad, anything but make a fairly baseless assumption that violent video games have some sort of correlation with real life violence.

trty00:

FelixG:

trty00:
As good-intentioned as this kid is, he's still incorrect. It's kind of like a racist being politely racist. It doesn't matter how nice or well-intentioned you are, you're still bloody wrong.

The polite racist would be very entertaining though!
"I do say sir, you seem to be quite obsessed with chicken that is fried and Citrullus lanatus!"

Perhaps an even more apt comparison would be Tipper Gore and the PMRC. Yes, those people genuinely believed they were doing good... but they were still fucking stupid.

I'm sorry but you can try and shut yourself out from the world, but sooner or later the kid is going to see another gun or another game utilizing one of our most modern weapons. Take it from a guy who grew up with a police officer, you do yourself a world of good of being knowledgeable about weapons than trying to stay changed to a cave thinking you are doing yourself some good. Especially when you really look at games there is only a handful as in less than one hand that I can think of that actually breaks down the parts of a gun. Nevermind actually using it.

I want to comment negatively on this kid's campaign but I'm too distracted at the fact that he plays cod at the age of 12. I can't take him seriously if he plays mature games at his age and I don't think he should be the one to make this campaign.
But on the off chance that this stops a decent number of under-aged gamers from playing mature titles, then props to the kid!

sethisjimmy:

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

ANImaniac89:
I feel bad for this kid, but honestly I find is despicable for someone to use a tragedy such as this to push there own personal morals.

sethisjimmy:
Instead of imploring people to throw away their violent games, he should focus on creating discussion and debate. He hasn't even given a reason to do it, he's just taking advantage of this tragedy to try and push his own ideals onto others.

His tragedy is unfortunate but he's really missing the target here, trying to blame whoever he can.

Hold on, I gotta read the article again:

12-year-old

Max was a regular Call of Duty player with the approval of his parents

Now I don't know this kid but he probably has a pretty damn good reason to believe video games cause violence.

Also, what do you mean this isn't the to talk about your morals/ideals?

When something terrible like this happens, I think it's not just good but the best time to talk about them: This is the time when people are the most excited to talk about them. Now that something that shook the entire country happened.

People want to know why this happened, how can we stop it from happening again, and we're anxious to find answers. The more people discuss this the more perspective we get, and we need to get as much of if as possible.

Maybe people can actually make the damn country better if they just talk about it.

That's exactly what I said. The problem is he isn't looking for discussion, he's just asking people to do what he thinks should be done without question. I think this is a perfect opportunity to discuss values, but when people make extremist assumptions like this kid, they tend to block out discussion and revert to pointless blame.

Instead of advising people to throw away their games, he could campaign to open a discussion with various game developers on why they include violence in their games, or at least offer an explanation as to why he thinks violent video games are bad, anything but make a fairly baseless assumption that violent video games have some sort of correlation with real life violence.

You want to know why that is? Because his friend's brother was shot to death. Cut him some slack. You have no idea what he is going through.

kenu12345:
So wait they are just dumping it in a dumpster. *rubs hands together* i smell profit for me lol jk but anyway good for the kid and all

Profit, you say?

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I really hate it when kids think they have real opinions, of course this was most likely all some adult's idea.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

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OT: Why do I feel like this kid is going to get his ass kicked?

I want it on video, it will be HILARIOUS.

Gamers: Supporting child abuse since 2012.

It's just a kid! He is shocked and confused from the shooting! Oh! It's not even a normal kid!

at the funeral of his friend's brother

Let me just sink this in: You just wished physical harm, and said you'd take satisfaction on seeing it, of somebody who was affected by the shooting. Think about what you're saying!

Hell, you shouldn't wish harm on anybody for something such as this! He's trying to do something good FFS!

God dammit people! Am I the only one here who sees something wrong in what we're doing here!?

Welcome to the internet! I am a goddamned asshole! Get used to it.

Anyways, I was viewing what would have happened back when I was a kid and I tried doing something like this. I would have gotten my ass kicked, swirlied, and then gotten a flagpole wedgie (Yes, those really existed and it was hilarious).

Anyways, stop being a goodie goodie two-shoes and learn to have some fun. It was nothing more than jest so calm your tits.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

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ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

Gamers: Supporting child abuse since 2012.

It's just a kid! He is shocked and confused from the shooting! Oh! It's not even a normal kid!

Let me just sink this in: You just wished physical harm, and said you'd take satisfaction on seeing it, of somebody who was affected by the shooting. Think about what you're saying!

Hell, you shouldn't wish harm on anybody for something such as this! He's trying to do something good FFS!

God dammit people! Am I the only one here who sees something wrong in what we're doing here!?

Welcome to the internet! I am a goddamned asshole! Get used to it.

Anyways, I was viewing what would have happened back when I was a kid and I tried doing something like this. I would have gotten my ass kicked, swirlied, and then gotten a flagpole wedgie (Yes, those really existed and it was hilarious).

Anyways, stop being a goodie goodie two-shoes.

Stop being an immature brat who thinks he is "dark" and "edgy". It might bite you in the ass later in your life.

First off, insulting another person is a no-no on the Escapist. Secondly, it was all in jest so calm your tits. I am not trying to be "dark" and "edgy" I am just having fun picturing myself or this kid in my time trying to do this. It was funny. It still is funny. The picturing of him getting a wedgie in 90's attire, not the whole mass murdering thing. Just thought I would clear that up since you can't seem to understand the jest of which I type.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

You want to know why that is? Because his friend's brother was shot to death. Cut him some slack. You have no idea what he is going through.

Like I said, that is obviously an unfortunate tragedy, and he is probably taking it hard, but it doesn't make what he's doing justified or even logical.

I mean, good on the kid for being affected by this tragedy and trying to do something to help the community, but, really this isn't the best way to do it. Of all things, the stuff he decides to throw out had nothing to do with the actual tragedy.
I may just pop by to empty out the trashcan myself...

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ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

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Welcome to the internet! I am a goddamned asshole! Get used to it.

Anyways, I was viewing what would have happened back when I was a kid and I tried doing something like this. I would have gotten my ass kicked, swirlied, and then gotten a flagpole wedgie (Yes, those really existed and it was hilarious).

Anyways, stop being a goodie goodie two-shoes.

Stop being an immature brat who thinks he is "dark" and "edgy". It might bite you in the ass later in your life.

First off, insulting another person is a no-no on the Escapist. Secondly, it was all in jest so calm your tits. I am not trying to be "dark" and "edgy" I am just having fun picturing myself or this kid in my time trying to do this. It was funny. It still is funny. The picturing of him getting a wedgie in 90's attire, not the whole mass murdering thing. Just thought I would clear that up since you can't seem to understand the jest of which I type.

You misunderstood me, which is acceptable. I was actually giving you advice.

Also, bullying causes suicides, though giving people wedgies these days seems a bit cartoon-ish.

I still think you're trying to be dark and edgy. Don't like it? You better start acting properly. You also appear to be trying to intimidate me with your degrading comments.

sethisjimmy:

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

You want to know why that is? Because his friend's brother was shot to death. Cut him some slack. You have no idea what he is going through.

Like I said, that is obviously an unfortunate tragedy, and he is probably taking it hard, but it doesn't make what he's doing justified or even logical.

Of course it isn't good what he is doing. That's also obvious. I think people should just let others do some silly things, if they don't harm anyone (including themselves ofc.) in anyway, when their clearly having a hard time with their lives.

We're all humans here after all, and humans make mistakes, especially when we're emotional.

What the kid is doing isn't even remotely dangerous nor offensive, so I don't think we should waste our time on criticizing him.

I know where I'd go to get some free videogames.

BanicRhys:

kenu12345:
So wait they are just dumping it in a dumpster. *rubs hands together* i smell profit for me lol jk but anyway good for the kid and all

Profit, you say?

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I really hate it when kids think they have real opinions, of course this was most likely all some adult's idea.

The kid isnt saying that games are bad or anything though, he's just decided that his violent games remind him too much of an unfortunate tragedy. That's a very respectable and even reasonable opinion. Of course if this group uses it to kickstart a big campaign against games then that wont be alright, but it wouldnt be the kids fault.

While I appreciate the sentiment and the kid's change of heart I do have to points.

1) He is 12 and I don't care how much he bugged his parents, they shouldn't have bought it for him. If he convinced them that he was mature enough to handle it then why is no longer capable of seeing it as fantasy to the extent that he feels the need to throw the games out.

2) Does this mean he will never kill anything in any other video games? No final fantasy, no mass effect, no dishonnored, ect... or is it just military style shooters that he is done with?

I get what the kid is saying and i think it is important for people to take a step back from their fantasies at times like these and reflect; but other than confirming fantasy and not training platform, I don't see why you would need to give these games up.

Its funny how many people are ripping on the kid for being 12 and playing CoD. Granted the game has an M rating which here at least means you have to be 17 to buy/play it. That said, I wonder how many people on this site can legitimately claim they didn't play anything that had a teen rating until they were out of elementary school and mature until they were out of high school (roughly). I very, very much doubt that anyone on this site can claim that, unless they are say older than 30 or 40 and didn't have/play videogames when they were young.

However I still got some problems with this though.
1) If he was mature enough to handle the game before and realize that it wasn't real life then why is he having a problem with it now. It could be argued that it reminds him of the shooting and no longer brings him joy, but I would say that he is more than likely convinced that videogames are the cause, based on how he is urging his peers to throw away their games too. His peer playing violent games should have no impact on reminding him of the murders so I'm rejecting that theory.

2) Kids don't really have opinions that young, or at least they don't usually make their own. The involvement of his stepfather and this council/group thing lead me to suspect that he is just a tool in the hands of his parents who are shaping his ideas.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

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OT: Why do I feel like this kid is going to get his ass kicked?

I want it on video, it will be HILARIOUS.

Gamers: Supporting child abuse since 2012.

The Internet: Supporting child abuse and every other horrid act since its inception.

It's just a kid! He is shocked and confused from the shooting! Oh! It's not even a normal kid!

at the funeral of his friend's brother

Let me just sink this in: You just wished physical harm, and said you'd take satisfaction on seeing it, of somebody who was affected by the shooting. Think about what you're saying!

Hell, you shouldn't wish harm on anybody for something such as this! He's trying to do something good FFS!

God dammit people! Am I the only one here who sees something wrong in what we're doing here!?

I don't know, what are we doing wrong? Far as I can see only one person has given a rather trollish response to the kid's actions. He's making a sweet gesture, really he is, and I doubt many of us at that age could stomach CoD levels of violence after living through that. His actions beyond that are no less naive and the adults around him that have already started to take advantage of his innocence as a rallying cry are no less despicable. All this is going to end up being is a harsh lesson for the kid that the majority of the world really doesn't care too much about what he's going through; they just enjoy watching the train wreck of a media circus that surrounds it.

The_Blue_Rider:
The kid isnt saying that games are bad or anything though, he's just decided that his violent games remind him too much of an unfortunate tragedy. That's a very respectable and even reasonable opinion. Of course if this group uses it to kickstart a big campaign against games then that wont be alright, but it wouldnt be the kids fault.

Yeah, I guess more accurate wording would be I hate it when kids start trying to be activists as if they could actually fully grasp any situation like that.

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First off, I am going parrot what a bunch of people have all ready said. Twelve year old. Playing Call of Duty Multiplayer. To be fair, I dont think I was much older when I started playing Half Life and Unreal Tournament, but at least widespread voice communication was none existent. Really hope his parents are at least engaged and monitoring his play, and talked to him about difficult interactions. But I digress..

Context. We need it.

The quote "how real this is", in what sense does he view his online slayings as real? Did the massacre hit too close to home because on occasion he'd picture bullies and objects of his envy taking bullets to the head? Was he sheltered to the point that he thought actual murder and killing didn't exist in the real world? After the tragedy, was he afraid games might make him a killer later on in life?

All right, he has been part of a traumatic experience, but throwing away his violent games seems like a very knee jerk reaction. As others have suggested, this may not be his idea at all, but a suggestion by someone else taken one step further. I think it is great that the boy is questioning why he plays the games he does, and what he wants out of his gaming experience. Now is a time for personal reflection and growth. Depending on what conslusions he comes to, he could be very sorry he chose this path. Money and entertainment down the drain..

For myself, it was the challenge of better myself, of being the best player, solving skills challenges and problems, learning from defeat, and loving the sweet taste of victory. Sure, there were rivals, people that really stood out and forced me to up my game to beat them, but that was always as far as it went, a rise to the challenge.

KeyMaster45:

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

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OT: Why do I feel like this kid is going to get his ass kicked?

I want it on video, it will be HILARIOUS.

Gamers: Supporting child abuse since 2012.

The Internet: Supporting child abuse and every other horrid act since its inception.

It's just a kid! He is shocked and confused from the shooting! Oh! It's not even a normal kid!

at the funeral of his friend's brother

Let me just sink this in: You just wished physical harm, and said you'd take satisfaction on seeing it, of somebody who was affected by the shooting. Think about what you're saying!

Hell, you shouldn't wish harm on anybody for something such as this! He's trying to do something good FFS!

God dammit people! Am I the only one here who sees something wrong in what we're doing here!?

I don't know, what are we doing wrong? Far as I can see only one person has given a rather trollish response to the kid's actions. He's making a sweet gesture, really he is, and I doubt many of us at that age could stomach CoD levels of violence after living through that. His actions beyond that are no less naive and the adults around him that have already started to take advantage of his innocence as a rallying cry are no less despicable. All this is going to end up being is a harsh lesson for the kid that the majority of the world really doesn't care too much about what he's going through; they just enjoy watching the train wreck of a media circus that surrounds it.

I found most of the comments (notice the time of my original post) somewhat mean spirited and dismissive. Considering the person who is on the receiving end of it.

I overreacted. I admit it.

Destroy your expensive games as a proxy for my grieving process! Because if we destroy enough games that might bring back my brother and/or prevent another shooting!

Eh... I think you need therapy kid. You need it anyway for having lost your bro's brother, which is probably a trauma especially now that there is no one to answer for the crime. However you are now blaming a piece of media for what a person with a gun did. How about you invite people to throw away their guns? Seems allot more effective than throwing away games.

Also there is no such thing as a Violent Videogame. It implies that the videogame has some kind of anger issues and is threatening you constantly. It is just a term used to make the videogame sound like an entity rather than an piece of software.

FelixG:

gardian06:

he is for the most part talking about why do we play these games that depict violence when it can "remind" us of very real occurrences, and then adding that "to all those who don't wish to be reminded of this violent act to do the same as him"

Oh I get the point, but that doesnt make him right in any sense.

I have had friends that were killed in combat, but that doesnt mean that military shooters, or military films, or violent TV shows make me think about them and grieve whenever I play one or watch one, because I know that there is a difference between a game and real life.

Well, you can't decide if he's 'right'. If I see someone who's a tad over emotional, and crying over some spilled milk, I cannot go up to them and say "Excuse Me Sir, that emotion you're feeling? Well, its wrong. No, no, don't argue. I see where you're coming from, but you're not right, in feeling upset because this happened."

If you don't react emotionally as easily as the 12-year-old, good for you. I'd expect as much. The point is, he is not arguing anything, so you cannot dismiss him as not being right. He is a kid, and being put in the first person perspective of someone shooting another human, and taking their life, for entertainment, upsets him.

If you have a hard break up, and you hear a break up song or read a story about a break up, and it reminds you of it, and you get emotional, 'knowing the difference between between fiction and real life' doesn't stop you from sympathizing. You would be excused if you thought about going out of your way NOT to hear that song again, or read that story, so you can AVOID bringing up those negative feelings. As 'not real life' as Taylor Swift's song is, you still get sad, and you still don't want to feel sad, so you'll turn tune to another station.

And thus, hundreds of dollars worth of games will be stolen and sold.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

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ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

Stop being an immature brat who thinks he is "dark" and "edgy". It might bite you in the ass later in your life.

First off, insulting another person is a no-no on the Escapist. Secondly, it was all in jest so calm your tits. I am not trying to be "dark" and "edgy" I am just having fun picturing myself or this kid in my time trying to do this. It was funny. It still is funny. The picturing of him getting a wedgie in 90's attire, not the whole mass murdering thing. Just thought I would clear that up since you can't seem to understand the jest of which I type.

You misunderstood me, which is acceptable. I was actually giving you advice.

Also, bullying causes suicides, though giving people wedgies these days seems a bit cartoon-ish.

I still think you're trying to be dark and edgy. Don't like it? You better start acting properly. You also appear to be trying to intimidate me with your degrading comments.

So by insulting me, you are giving me advice? Yea, I don't buy it. You are telling random people to act "proper". Yet, you insult them. Ironic.

Also, I am not trying to intimidate you at all. All I am saying is cool down and take a joke for what it is, a joke.

I am already imagining a movie made about the last two intelligent people in Newtown and their quest to find this dumpster and save the games from destruction. Or, at the very least, get an ass-load of free games.

RoonMian:
Why the hell is a 12-year-old playing Call of Duty in the first place? And why do his friends (who I suspect to be in the same age group) do the same?

Andy Chalk:
Max was a regular Call of Duty player with the approval of his parents, who "gradually succumbed" to his desire for the game.

There's your problem!

It's a weird one. The kids trying ot deal. Ok fine. now he's asking others ot do the same. OK... fine... until we have some activist group form up around it I'm ok with it. The minute he starts trying ot say "I'm right so do as I say" I'll have an issue

Also, simply because he is a 12 year old who been through some bad stuff doesn't make his message the truth or shield him from criticism or outright dismissal.

Wish I lived nearby, then I could raid the dumpster and take all the games for myself and trade in the copies

How about throwing away guns rather than CD's? Fucking imbeciles.

I think it's fine as his decision but urging everyone to do the same is wrong. It should be an individual solution for people who feel one way or the other about it. It's half a step from blaming shooters for maniacs with guns.

Madmanonfire:
I want to comment negatively on this kid's campaign but I'm too distracted at the fact that he plays cod at the age of 12. I can't take him seriously if he plays mature games at his age and I don't think he should be the one to make this campaign.
But on the off chance that this stops a decent number of under-aged gamers from playing mature titles, then props to the kid!

I grew up playing Doom, what's wrong with that? Have a perfectly clean record and no intention of killing anyone and Doom, Duke Nukem, Shadow Warrior and other shooters were, albeit nowadays primitive graphically, pretty gory. As long as someone makes it clear to the kids that it's not real(not that it's particularly hard to discern it in the first place, people give too little credits to kids sometimes.) it's not really a problem if anything it's healthy.

I think the only problem I'd have with my potential young offspring playing some cod is that the community is rotten to the core.

Wanted to not kill anything even in games: Admirable.
Implying that everyone should give up games because of one abstraction in them: not so admirable.

It's quiet insane to think that what separates violent games from perfectly fine games is the level of abstraction. The difference between Chess and an FPS is the rules and the level of abstraction, and some magical arbitrary point separates something intellectual from a killing simulator.

EDIT: Also, shame on you kid for playing an M rated game. Why don't you start a campaign to get people to pay attention to ratings. I'd support that! We need more of that!

This whole thing falls along the lines of X event happened, so X must be related to Y which is only a part of Group Z, so, in order to stop X from happening again, we should destroy all of Z.
Seriously, it's like saying one book caused a bad thing - ex. Catcher in the Rye, so let's collect and destroy all books because it could happen again or it might indirectly lead to it happening again.
Yeah, this isn't going to end well for them. They may be happy to get some but the majority is not going to follow this.

I would be all over that dumpster after dark.

Free money.

NightHawk21:
It could be argued that it reminds him of the shooting and no longer brings him joy, but I would say that he is more than likely convinced that videogames are the cause, based on how he is urging his peers to throw away their games too. His peer playing violent games should have no impact on reminding him of the murders so I'm rejecting that theory.

Took the words out of my mouth. If he's throwing out his games because of his own personal reasons, why announce it to everyone else? Why convince everyone else to follow suit unless you felt THEY were doing something bad?

Gotta applaud the kid. We all know that games aren't responsible, but he has good intentions.

I've never really thought that 12 year olds shouldn't be playing M rated games anyway, but whatever.

However, I really doubt that he's going to convince his peers to give up their games.

The addition of the dumpster of games to be destroyed takes what would otherwise be a pretty damn understandable reaction to the experience he had and gives it a whole book-burny element that I find kind of creepy.

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