NRA Likens Videogames to "the Filthiest Form of Pornography"

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Now when do we point out to the NRA the logical fallacy that even if videogames did turn people into violent killers then they would still need to get hold of a real gun before any mass shooting can start? So would be easier to ignore their perceived middle man of murder and just ban/restrict the guns.

Furthermore the NRA here are ignoring the fact that in Lanza's case that part of the problem was that he very much had access and exposure to guns. Also if the NRA wants to put guns in the hands of the good guys, who are these good guys? Because that is quite subjective and let's not forget the old adage "he was such a nice person. I'm shocked he did such a thing," outward appearance can be deceptive. So probably given the "good guys" guns is not going to help very much and could take a turn for the worse if one of those guys decides he'd like to shot a place up after a bad day.

Also thinking about if the NRA got their way and everyone had guns, what would happen if this shooting situation happens again? I think you could run into the problem where the people with the guns could in the heat of the moment be confused about who the gunman is because everyone has a gun, then a hasty decision gets made and then the situation could get a whole lot more messy.

Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?

Fantasizing about someone killing you sounds more like it. I'm looking at you horror.

Well, I guess NRA blaming others makes sense. What else are they going to do, admit that guns are bad and should be banned? Just stay quiet when everybody is talking about gun control?

They're clearly just trying to shift the blame off of themselves in the aftermath of Sandy. Nothing to see here.

Gizmo1990:
I just watched his statment on the news, the BBC, who are (mostly) unbiased were taking the piss out of this guy and shaking their head at the all the stupid coming from him. How can anyone buy this crap? Seriously please tell me that most Americans do not buy this. Most of the Americans I have talked to on The Escapist have been cool, you guys don't buy this right?

Political scientists point to the NRA as the textbook model of a political group in US politics. They have several million members who donate and there is a perception that they wield significant power within the beltway (there's been some debate within the political science community as to whether this is actually true, but more often than not perception is reality in politics). They have a regular web broadcast where they claim that "the war on the second amendment" is just beyond the horizon and claim that guns are to be used if the government "attacks their freedoms."

Wayne LaPierre in particular has flouted conspiracy theories along the lines of "president Obama has done nothing to restrict guns during his first term, ergo he must be plotting to ban guns in his second term."

Do you hear that? That's the sound of the NRA throwing us under the bus.

And zero fucks were given.

I kinda want to see how the NRA reacts when someone attacks their favorite hobby that can take a bad wrap when taken out of context... oh... wait.

The hypocrisy in that statement is too damn high.

Seriously I can't believe how someone can say something that stupid considering who they are.

"And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people," the organization claims.

Hey NRA, the 1993- right now media called, they want you to get your head out of your ass.

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard recently.

I can't help but picture LaPierre as Golum staring accusingly at videogames saying "We didn't do it. HE did it! Silly gameses stuffing their pocketses with your moneyses" all the while coddling his bushmaster AR-15 and calling it the precious. The NRA is the evil creature in the room that nobody will do anything about until it bites the hand that feeds it.

Gizmo1990:
I just watched his statment on the news, the BBC, who are (mostly) unbiased were taking the piss out of this guy and shaking their head at the all the stupid coming from him. How can anyone buy this crap? Seriously please tell me that most Americans do not buy this. Most of the Americans I have talked to on The Escapist have been cool, you guys don't buy this right?

Sweet manky jeebus, no, we don't all buy this. We're a big country and the NRA represents only a small (though disproportionately politically influential) fraction of our population. The NRA's message was aimed squarely at its members and means fuck-all to anyone not already so inclined.

Just my two cents.

The NRA, the propaganda and lobbying outlet of the gun manufacturers, really shouldn't talk about "filth".

MikeWehner:
LaPierre goes on to insist that guns in the hands of "good guys" are a saving grace, and that gun-free zones are simply red flags for mass murderers who use them as killing floors, knowing that they can inflict the most damage against unarmed citizens.

Oh, of course. Because arming the whole population so that every loony has a gun is a great idea, and countries, like say, Britain, which have very few guns and strict gun laws are clearly rampant with gun crime and mass shootings...oh wait.

Note: I'm not saying we here in Britain have no gun crime, no mass murders, or no violent crime, but the lack of guns clearly has reduced all those.

Loop Stricken:
The NRA would appear to be very silly people indeed.
...but then I'm English and, as far as I've been told, am utterly unqualified to talk about guns whatsoever.

Indeed. Also, we may infect those poor honest Americans with the evils of socialised medicine!

NRA - Notorious Rambunctious Assholes
remember guns don't kill people but play 3 hrs of COD and you will

God damn I love me some filthy pornography.

FelixG:
Video games share as much responsibility as guns do.

little to none.

Insane idiots will find a way to kill people no matter what you do.

But as for the NRAs stance... Time to break out my favorite meme (So rare I get to use it around here thanks to overzelous mods)

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It's called getting the heat off you. They'll say some stupid shit, appeal to emotions, and talk to lawmakers. That or what most pro-gun people are saying that the NRA sold them out... AGAIN.

Let's look at some interesting fact:

Violent Videogames in Europe: Yes
Gun Violence in Europe: Minimal

Violent Videogames in America: Yes
Gun Violence in America: Accounts for the vast majority of the world's percentage in violent deaths due to guns.

NRA: 0 - Ronack: 1

Goddamn it NRA. You MIGHT have been able to manage this one if you had decided to align yourself with violent media in the 'ultimately a way to blow off steam and harmless for 99% of the participants' camp. Instead you had to attack pretty much the only people with significant experience dealing with this sort of thing.

As a Texan I believe in guns & hunting & stuff, but seriously? If this all the NRA can put forth, we really deserve to lose all the battles on gun control.

Ronack:
Gun Violence in America: Accounts for the vast majority of the world's percentage in violent deaths due to guns.

What, more than ALL of the Middle East, Africa, and Mexico? REALLY? By a large percentage? Do you have numbers somewhere? Because we'd have to be having a massacre every week just to keep up with Syria alone I think.

The NRA are trying to divert attention away from the things they love, into things other people love. What better target then the videogame industry, which has been attacked in the courtrooms many times? In my opinion, they just don't like all the negative attention they're getting and are trying to get people to stop thinking they're evil and start thinking we, videogamers, are evil.

I'm not even going to start describing what I think of the NRA right now.

And his statement is being lambasted by all but the most bleeding-heart far right wing individuals. I'm not at all worried about these guys.

Gizmo1990:
I just watched his statment on the news, the BBC, who are (mostly) unbiased were taking the piss out of this guy and shaking their head at the all the stupid coming from him. How can anyone buy this crap? Seriously please tell me that most Americans do not buy this. Most of the Americans I have talked to on The Escapist have been cool, you guys don't buy this right?

It seems as though a lot of major American media outlets are tearing this guy apart for everything he said. So much so that I'm actually surprised by it. Looks like it'll be joked about for a few weeks before being forgotten entirely.

To think that this is how the NRA chose to handle the criticisms and questions against it.

Ronack:
Let's look at some interesting fact:

Gun Violence in America: Accounts for the vast majority of the world's percentage in violent deaths due to guns.

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mjc0961:
Says the gun nuts who actually had a hand in causing this tragedy while video games are 100% not responsible. I don't think "ban teh gunz" will solve the problem of shootings by any means, but on the other side of the coin, it doesn't help that clowns like these try to keep it so you can walk into Walmart and get guns in the same building where you do your Christmas shopping for your kids. (And yeah, I'm sure Walmart follows all the laws and whatnot, but come on why does Walmart have a gun section of all things?)

Only about 1/3 of the Wal-Marts in the US sell guns (the report I read was something like 1,500+ stores out of 4,000+)[1] and I'd wager that you'd find those Wal-Marts in areas that are somewhat rural or where hunting is a big thing; IE most of the South and Rocky Mountain states. I live in Louisiana so its quite a normal thing to see at any given wal-mart in the state; especially considering there are some towns that close the schools on the Friday certain hunting seasons start. I see people talk about it like its a scary thing, but when you grow up here it's not. Being taught the dangers and proper use of guns is just part of life here. My family does not own any personally, we don't hunt, but other members of my family do; as do many of the friends I had growing up. Regardless of ownership at one point or another we're all taught the same basic things about gun safety.

1. Treat a gun as if it is always loaded, even if you're super sure it's not.

2. Never point a gun at another person unless you intend to fire in self-defense.

3. Guns aren't toys, so don't play with them like they are.

Now I'm not saying that there should be a chicken in every pot and a cap in every ass; second amendment or not, the sale of any weapons need to be regulated. What I am saying is that Walmart selling guns doesn't bother me, nor does it bother me that the majority of people I pass every day own guns (hell my grandpa has a concealed weapon permit). If a psychopath wants to raise hell with a gun he's going to do it, but other than that I feel secure in trusting that the people in my community who own guns legally are responsible with them.

A side note on the topic of background checks: They're great for stopping former violent criminals for getting their hands weapons legally (because let's face it that career criminals will get them through other channels) and likewise for those with mental issues. If someone flies under the radar though like this Lanza kid or his mom with nary a mark on their record then the background check is at best an empty gesture of security.

[1] This is not the original article I read, but it has the same basic info. http://theweek.com/article/index/214734/why-are-more-walmart-stores-selling-guns-again

Casual Shinji:

FargoDog:
So instead of advocating exposing children to guns and violence in a controlled, rational virtual space, the NRA would rather expose them to real guns and potentially real violence every single day they walk into school?

Well ofcourse!

You see, by giving all those children guns, they can protect themselves when a kid snaps and goes on a shooting spree.

Totally logical, isn't it?

Sad part about this statement is that within 24 hours of it happening there were people already saying this almost word for word without sarcasm.

And yes, I'm talking about 5 year olds carrying handguns to class.

Lol video games, a callous, corrupt
and corrupting shadow industry. For a moment there I thought he was talking about the government of my country or something. Seriously though, you let games sound like the Mafia.

Skeleon:
The NRA, the propaganda and lobbying outlet of the gun manufacturers, really shouldn't talk about "filth".

If only they still did that. At this point, especially with LaPierre in charge, they're basically another "non-profit" that's in the bag for the GOP.

I'm not going to say that all of them go about killing animals, but for the ones that do . . .

If you want to talk about it being filthy, sick pornography to go about killing people in a video game that cannot actually feel then I can only wonder how sick it is to go about killing other living creatures in real life. I'm not speaking for the people who do it for food or survival, but strictly of the sicko's that shoot 'em solely for entertainment.

Just some food for thought.

Guys! This is actually the best possible outcome for us. Nothing makes us look more sane than the NRA coming out against our medium.
Peoples hatred for them could translate into at least indifference to our hobby. They are clearly deflecting and people can see right through the bullshit.

Does anybody notice the irony of 19 years of lowered rates of violence, during the initial rise of all of the violent media he cites?
"...violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years...Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years...Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like 'American Psycho' and 'Natural Born Killers'"

Granted, Bulletstorm is recent, but GTA has been around since the late 90's, Mortal Kombat since the early 90's, and Splatterhouse since 1988. He says himself that some (presumably purposefully) incendiary game (I'm assuming it's a flash game?) named Kindergarten Killers has been around for 10 years. American Psycho was over a decade ago, and Natural Born Killers was from 1994. Jesus man. Not only are your movies poor examples of 'slasher flicks', they're also incredibly dated and random.

Since when has the media tried to hide Video Games? Any time ANYTHING happens its almost always video game's fault. Mentally unstable person kills people? Video Games. Idiots do something stupid? Video Games. An ant dies? Well, lets throw out all the video games, or else that ant would still be alive.

Verlander:
And the rest of the world sits back and eats popcorn as America continues to argue with itself, blame everyone else, create no solutions, and someone shoots someone else again. Repeat.

Remember guys, gun ownership is a "right" ;)

I'm not entirely sure how this even gets to this stage. You can't shoot someone without a gun. How difficult is that? Most countries have the hang of it by now, and the ones that don't have shootings instead.

Yes you can't shoot someone without a gun. But making something illegal doesn't remove everyone's access to it. See weed and booze.

And there have been shootings in places with strict gun control.

Perhaps we should stop looking at the symptoms and look at the causes behind such incidents. There needs to be a neutral, well-informed study done on such horrifying incidents. Perhaps should look at family issues, mental disorders and what-not.

While a video-game on its own might not be enough to triggers a mass-murder (or any violent media-piece for that matter), could it tip someone over whom already has issues?

After hearing this news and news corporations talking bad against gaming, I'm thinking that maybe the apocalypse would be for the better. It's that depressing.

Father Time:
Yes you can't shoot someone without a gun. But making something illegal doesn't remove everyone's access to it. See weed and booze.

This analogy doesn't really hold up. It's a lot easier to brew moonshine or grow weed than it is to make your own AR-15.

The NRA hasn't been concerned with protecting anyone's rights for some years now. They only have an interest in keeping the debate going and the donations flowing. If you are really concerned with protecting your 2nd (or 1st) amendment rights, DO NOT give your money to the NRA. Gun Owners of America or Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership would be a better choice.

Gizmo1990:
I just watched his statment on the news, the BBC, who are (mostly) unbiased were taking the piss out of this guy and shaking their head at the all the stupid coming from him. How can anyone buy this crap? Seriously please tell me that most Americans do not buy this. Most of the Americans I have talked to on The Escapist have been cool, you guys don't buy this right?

Could you link me to that video if you can? I would love to see it!

Violent games = pornography? Maybe so. Maybe so... I should probably mention that I have no problem with pornography;D

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