NRA Likens Videogames to "the Filthiest Form of Pornography"

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I give you, Rumble, by legendary guitarist and musician Link Ray.

Beautiful classic rock. Now the fun part.

"Wray was with Archie Bleyer's Cadence label and he wanted to record this as a single. Bleyer was ready to pass on it until his step daughter said she liked it and that it reminded her of the rumble scenes in West Side Story. Bleyer named the song "Rumble" and decided to release it. The title made the song somewhat controversial because it implied gang violence - some radio stations refused to play it. It might be the only instrumental song ever banned on the radio. -Songfacts

So, some misguided idiots think video games are the new rumble.... again. As if Thompson wasn't already lord of the nitwits, a new generation of people would rather deflect personal accountability and societal failures toward the mentally ill and video games.

There's nothing I can say about this that hasn't been said here by others better than I can say myself, however frustration compels me to vent. Before there were 3D violent realistic video games, people were murdering because of movies, before that books such as Rage which one idiot said inspired a school shooting and the book was pulled even though a lot of others read it and never murdered a soul. Kinda like that jackass that called himself the Joker and murdered people at a movie theater, because one guy doing something wrong MUST mean the millions of others that saw that movie and didn't murder people will eventually do the same, right?

This logic is applicable to gun restriction, with one very big exception. Movies, video games, books, and music are all types of entertainment, degrees of the same thing, used by people the world over, without problems like we have here in America. Hell, Japan's level of acceptable violence in entertainment exceeds our own to the point where a movie like Kill Bill has to be censored for American release, but may remain intact in Japan. Unlike these other countries we have loose gun control laws, and unlike other countries such as Japan or Germany we've got mass murders, spree killing, and gun related violence in spades. That's the exception; we're armed to the teeth and they aren't, and we're killing ourselves en masse and they aren't.

The only thing that frustrates me is that this is justified some how, the topic goes stagnant, and we get to see this happen all over again. C'est la vie.

canadamus_prime:
I hope they have plenty of mouthwash to wash the taste of foot out of their mouths.

Too true...too true.

'It's fitting that those who make tasteless statements lack such, or they'd gag on the very bile they spew from their mouths.'

way to deflect NRA

delroland:

Arslan Aladeen:
Wasn't the whole point of Natural Born Killers about the media glorifying violence? At least a strong theme in it. I don't know, just seems sorta funny that he would be using that movie as an example. As far as the whole issue is concerned, I don't see movies or games or whatever capable of turning anyone into a psychopath, aside from those who already would've been one anyway. And I don't see why people are so uptight about stricter rules for owning something which the sole purpose of is to kill.

1) NBK is a work of fiction, and so using it to argue a point on gun violence is pretty silly. That being said,

2) Even disregarding point (1) above, the question remains: in the movie, had the media not followed the Knox' rampage, would they still have gone on a killing spree? I personally think yes.

I agree, it is silly. I just sorta wonder if he actually has seen the movie, or just remembers the controversy over the violence.

Because clearly there weren't any shootings prior to the advent of video games...oh wait.

Their argument is sad and tired and I think PA summarized it nicely, "It is a very odd sort of Patriot that would destroy the First Amendment to protect the Second."

If responsible gun owners are looking for middle ground, why are so many people joining the NRA? Thousands on top of their existing membership have joined up since a psycho murdered 20 children. If the NRA do not represent responsible gun owners, if they're looking something between the extremes, then the US is LOUSY with irresponsible gun owners.

Maybe the rest of the world is right about how dangerous we are.

"There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people"

Curious thing for the NRA to say...

Icehearted:
It might be the only instrumental song ever banned on the radio.

I wouldn't count on that. Remember, a lot of jazz/swing/etc was verboten even during a period where it was played, simply because we feared the influence of the "evil negro."

Which just goes to make the larger point...This has been around for ages. And ages. And AGES.

These NRA cunts are sick. Sick, perverted and evil. Why the FUCK does anyone take these douchebags seriously?

Zachary Amaranth:

Icehearted:
It might be the only instrumental song ever banned on the radio.

I wouldn't count on that. Remember, a lot of jazz/swing/etc was verboten even during a period where it was played, simply because we feared the influence of the "evil negro."

Which just goes to make the larger point...This has been around for ages. And ages. And AGES.

"evil negro"... if I had a nickel for every time...

Your last remark hits it right on the head, my friend.

They're just preferring to blame an easy target rather than address real political, mental, emotional, and sociological concerns. I can understand why, though, actively thinking and solving problems is difficult, costly, and painful.

ravenshrike:
There's a problem when people are regularly charged with a crime when defending themselves in their own home, no matter the implement used.

This makes me angry, you are perfectly entitled to defend yourself in the UK. The caveat is it has to be reasonable force, i.e. If someone punches you getting into a fist fight to defend yourself is fine, belting them half to death with a baseball is not. If someone attacks you with a knife you can do whatever it takes to ensure they are no longer a threat to you.

People are often arrested after violent self defense yes, especially if its a serious incident but this is just procedure. The law wants a recorded interview and statement, this is in case things are not how they appear and the self defense was actually a crime. Sometimes people even get charged and have to go to court but thats the point, we have laws and strive towards justice. You cannot go around and assault people, in certain circumstances cases of self defense may appear to be a crime. Then its up to the Jury to decide, or if the CPS made a terrible bungle the Judge will dismiss it without a trial. A recent example would be the Peter Flanagan case, a group of four men burgled a house armed with a machete. One of the burglars was stabbed during a struggle after the home owner grabbed a kitchen knife, he later died from his wounds. The home owner unfortunately was arrested but after a short investigation he was released and faced no charges. The other three burglars where sentenced from six to eight years in custody, the one that got eight also carried the machete and fought with Mr Flanagan.

These laws are intended to protect people, it doesn't always work out right but the idea is to stop people from claiming self defense as the motive for a crime. It also trys to stop people like Tony Martin from taking matters into their own hands and summarily executing criminals instead of leaving it to the justice system. Taking revenge on a criminal and beating the hell out of them is unlawful to, punishment comes from the law not citizens. There is a move to reform the law to clearly define exactly what reasonable force is.

Strange how the answer to children getting shot to death is to control children's access to virtual firearms, and increase the number of real firearms around children...

ravenshrike:

Loop Stricken:
The NRA would appear to be very silly people indeed.
...but then I'm English and, as far as I've been told, am utterly unqualified to talk about guns whatsoever.

Less about guns, and more about anything involving crime whatsoever. There's a problem when people are regularly charged with a crime when defending themselves in their own home, no matter the implement used. That happens quite a lot in the UK.

As for LaPierre's statement, it's no more nonsensical than all the calls for more gun control.

I would not call 11 prosecutions in the last 23 years 'regularly'. The US has had over 50 mass shootings in that time frame.

And there was political will to get changed/clarified this year, 'Grossly disproportionate' force will still be illegal but force can be used.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19879314

It is easy to pick exceptions like these;

In the US a man with a knife chased someone who had stolen their car radio for a block, stabbed them to death, then sold some of the thief's stolen goods and went home to sleep.

He did not ring 911, hid the murder weapon and denied doing anything (until shown the video...).

Yet he was aquitted under the 'stand your ground' laws because the thief swung a bag at him...

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2012/03/fl-man-cleared-in-stand-your-ground-stabbing.html

I agree with the NRA on this one. Incidently, I am also a very big fan of the filthiest pornography.

Well, it is clear to me that the best way to win the next election is to antagonize potential voters. But it seems they aren't too concerned with the younger demographics voting anyways... lol.

im laughing very hard now. not because they are stupid, not because this will never reach anything important, but because it just alienated the majority of the world, and maybe, just maybe, this will be enough to push it out of the lead.

So... If I got this clearly... the NRA considers 9/11 to be porn...?

Yeah, I just went there!

I have a lever action rifle (it's a cowboy rifle like a Winchester), and I intend on getting a pistol one of these days, but I'm so glad I never joined the NRA.

Wayne LaPierre:
"But is that what it really is?" NRA Vice President, Wayne LaPierre asks of violent media. "Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?"

If video games are porn, are the NRA like...pimps, or something?

cerebus23:
Have you seen how our federal government acts? Any wonder why some of us take that 2nd amendment right fairly seriously.

I'd like to ask, do these people realize that the US also has an enormous military that could easily stomp any sort of rebellion?

So the NRA is using PETA logic?

I found the "guns don't kill people, people do" motto was hugely tongue-in-cheek, but a very good one if you're standing on the side of NRA.

Adding the "... and also video games" corollary is too much though. If you follow that logic, 100 years from now, there will be 50 reasons as to why people kill other people with guns, and the fact that guns are too easily made available still won't be one of the reasons.

MrPeanut:

cerebus23:
Have you seen how our federal government acts? Any wonder why some of us take that 2nd amendment right fairly seriously.

I'd like to ask, do these people realize that the US also has an enormous military that could easily stomp any sort of rebellion?

You mean like in Irak and Afghanistan?

The US military (and most of NATO) are only now starting to move from the old doctrine (war against Russia, basically). They are not really good at asymmetrical conflicts. A "rebellion" is exactly that. The rebels would use guerrilla warfare, made easier in the US by the already huge amount of available guns and ammunition. Also there are a lot of veterans in the US, who might pick the rebels side and train more people.

This is why Special Ops are being used more and more - you need to target specific assets, not take down whole cities with a brigade of tanks. That part is easy.

Any army trying to occupy the US, including USA's own army, would have a Bad Time only because of all the resistance it would meet.

Ed130:

Ronack:
Let's look at some interesting fact:

Violent Videogames in Europe: Yes
Gun Violence in Europe: Minimal

Violent Videogames in America: Yes
Gun Violence in America: Accounts for the vast majority of the world's percentage in violent deaths due to guns.

NRA: 0 - Ronack: 1

Should say that America counts of the vast majority of western violent gun deaths and if you discount drug wars (Mexico) and civil wars (Syria and parts of Africa) going on most violent gun deaths period.

Those are war related deaths, eddie :)

ThriKreen:

Ronack:
Let's look at some interesting fact:

Violent Videogames in Europe: Yes
Gun Violence in Europe: Minimal

Violent Videogames in America: Yes
Gun Violence in America: Accounts for the vast majority of the world's percentage in violent deaths due to guns.

NRA: 0 - Ronack: 1

You forgot:

Violent Videogames in Canada: Yes
Culture most in similarity: USA
Media consumption most in similarity: USA
Gun control laws: Yes
Gun Violence in Canada: Minimal

Damn, I can't see a way to favorite this reply.

Is it just me or does anyone else get the impression that he doesn't really believe that and is just shifting media focus? "Shit, my gun organisation looks bad, I sure could use a distraction right about now: VIDYA GAYMES DID IT!"

Aaaah....another one of those idiots that claims that assualt rifles have less of a role in school shootings than video games. See, this is why people keep mocking 'Murica.

EDIT: Does anyone mind if I put this here?

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DataSnake:

Father Time:
Yes you can't shoot someone without a gun. But making something illegal doesn't remove everyone's access to it. See weed and booze.

This analogy doesn't really hold up. It's a lot easier to brew moonshine or grow weed than it is to make your own AR-15.

Meth crack or cocaine then.
Or ivory. There aren't many elephants in the U.S..

America has had how many mass shootings this year compared to say Australia, the UK and Japan combined. Yet we get all these violent video games and movies, so I'm inclined to look at the one big difference in culture.

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Videogames are bad, m'kay?

"And here's one, it's called Kindergarden Killers. It's been Online for 10 years. How come my research staff can find it, and all of yours couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?"

The NRA is panicking, and trying to deflect a review of gun policy. So they take a scaremongering moralistic approach.

What's more, they manage to demonise people with mental illness:

The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters ‚€" people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day.

Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

Really, they're just shooting themselves in the foot by showing everyone that they're irrational and not willing to compromise anything.

An armed police officer in every school? That's ridiculous, and would only further the police state. What next, a police officer in every street? And that's not too much of a slippery slope argument. THINK OF HOW MUCH SAFER THE CHILDREN WILL BE!!!

Emiscary:

And more importantly- Mortal Kombat? Mortal Kombat hasn't been relevant to mainstream gaming since the LATE NINETIES for Christ Sakes.

I unno, I liked the remake...

OT: I must admit, that's an interesting choice of words. I wouldn't have used it, seeing as it is kind of wrong, but still, got my attention.

At this point, I stopped caring what the NRA says. I'm pretty sure I gave up giving a toss at the point they said, "Okay, Obama didn't do anything to try and take our guns in his first turn... But that's just because he wanted to lull us into a false sense of security so he could more easily take it in his second term!!!"

It's like how I officially stopped giving Fox News any attention when Bill O'Riley defended the McCarthy Trials.

Ed130:

Ronack:
Let's look at some interesting fact:

Violent Videogames in Europe: Yes
Gun Violence in Europe: Minimal

Violent Videogames in America: Yes
Gun Violence in America: Accounts for the vast majority of the world's percentage in violent deaths due to guns.

NRA: 0 - Ronack: 1

Should say that America counts of the vast majority of western violent gun deaths and if you discount drug wars (Mexico) and civil wars (Syria and parts of Africa) going on most violent gun deaths period.

Well, the fact that America ranks better only in comparison with areas with raging civil and drug wars is very telling. And very sad.

As for the NRA, I don't understand them at all. Virtual guns are bad, but real guns are not? What kind of logic is that?

Loop Stricken:
The NRA would appear to be very silly people indeed.
...but then I'm English and, as far as I've been told, am utterly unqualified to talk about guns whatsoever.

it does however make you fully qualified to talk about the merits of not owning guns.

EDIT: I can also kind of see where the NRA are coming from. Considering they take guns very seriously and games basically treat them as super-fun boomsticks. Though in fairness so does hollywood, not extending the argument to other media which encourages gratuitous violence seems hypocritical.

I resent this remark.

I have some of the filthiest pornography ever devised by man stored on my computer. Stuff to make your eyes water just thinking about it. Videogames have got a long way to go before they even come close to match what's on my hard drive.

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